Good insight.

[Muddy7]

I was in Rio during mid-week. First time being here and naturally chose to go upstairs. Only one other gentleman there and in front of us were two poles with girls being rotated in and out of it. Some stunners, some inbetween and some mediocre ones. One girl, cute, but not a stunner caught my attention when she was eyeing me all over. I love pink nippes and she had one of the pinkest ones I've seen so I invited her to talk. Her English was good so up we go for two private dances. In there, I found out her name was Arina and she is relatively new there. Got her to have a few make-out sessions and she offered take-out with me. Unfortunately, I was exhausted and short on time and rainchecked on her. Is behavior like this in private dance rooms typical? Kissing and all?

Some of these girls are prof hookers / dancers who have traveled to a lot of cities in Europe like Bianka, some of them are from smaller cities and don't undertsnad the risks and probably stick their tongues into every mans mouth they do private dance for so you better hope you don't you don't get sick. Better wash you mouth well, LOL

[Ronaldinjo]

Vlade at Rio kidnapped him, thats what happens when you go to Rio so much, you become a marked man, mafia will cut his ears and take his money

It is not funny. Is our buddy ok?

[Muddy7]

Where have you gone our friend? What about your elaborate and perfect reports from Kiev journey? We are waiting to you Lj.

Vlade at Rio kidnapped him, thats what happens when you go to Rio so much, you become a marked man, mafia will cut his ears and take his money

[UrbanCowboy22]

It all depends on the girl. If she was attracted to you, then of course but maybe she just kisses everyone. I wouldn't call it typical behavior. A few girls allow you to rub their pussy during a private dance but most won't. If the girl wants you to take them out, usually they touch you. Supposedly the rooms have cameras. Wish there were a few other places like Rio. Used to be a place called Mandarin that was on the river near River Palace. That was fun! Ah, the good ole days in Kiev!

I was in Rio during mid-week. First time being here and naturally chose to go upstairs. Only one other gentleman there and in front of us were two poles with girls being rotated in and out of it. Some stunners, some inbetween and some mediocre ones. One girl, cute, but not a stunner caught my attention when she was eyeing me all over. I love pink nippes and she had one of the pinkest ones I've seen so I invited her to talk. Her English was good so up we go for two private dances. In there, I found out her name was Arina and she is relatively new there. Got her to have a few make-out sessions and she offered take-out with me. Unfortunately, I was exhausted and short on time and rainchecked on her. Is behavior like this in private dance rooms typical? Kissing and all?

[AZN Monger]

I was in Rio during mid-week. First time being here and naturally chose to go upstairs. Only one other gentleman there and in front of us were two poles with girls being rotated in and out of it. Some stunners, some inbetween and some mediocre ones. One girl, cute, but not a stunner caught my attention when she was eyeing me all over. I love pink nippes and she had one of the pinkest ones I've seen so I invited her to talk. Her English was good so up we go for two private dances. In there, I found out her name was Arina and she is relatively new there. Got her to have a few make-out sessions and she offered take-out with me. Unfortunately, I was exhausted and short on time and rainchecked on her. Is behavior like this in private dance rooms typical? Kissing and all?

[Muddy7]

Went to Rio on Thursday around 21:30.

Sat upstairs next to the bar, the line up was not good at all, big waste of time.

I saw all the girls one time, around 23:00 gave the manager (older guy I think his name is Vlad) 100 grivna and sat in the VIP, the line up was better, there was a girl named Leah I wanted to to take home but she didn't speak English, had 2 private dances both girls (bianca, forgot the other girls name) said they would go home with me but when it came to making the final decision I just didn't think they were good enough, I saw the lineup one time and then went left the club

[GreyGoose69]

I'll go back to Ukraine in May, can someone compare the nightlife between Kiev and Odessa? D-Lux and Ibiza (Odessa) nightclub on a Saturday night?

I may go back to Rio and Buddha bar in city center looking for 9s or 10s but this time I'd like to meet locals girls just to go out and have fun. I'm young and not bad looking. Is mamba. Are you my best option to meet Ukrainian girls?

Where can I find university parties?

[Ronaldinjo]

Once more I would like to thank you for your informative reports. Yes, the picture you are describing is quit similar to that I have encountered 2 months ago, too many undoable girls. Don't know whats the reason (exams? Frequent stuff changes? Something else?) it seems that rios management encounters seriouse problems with gathering of hot gerls. It is interesting what was Pahsas reaction to your opinion. Lets hope that it can change for a better side soon. Yes Lj, I have read all your stuff about Rio girls, including your famous big list. Just curious how many real hotties left there from that lineup. Which is more sexy and beautiful in you opinion, Anita, Lera or Katya? You recomendations are apprexiated. Lets hope you bring up better news from Rio and its linup in upcoming days.

Happy morgening Joey.

[TheKnight]

LJ.

Did you have a chance to check out Dolls?

http://dolls-club.com/index.php/home

Yep, we need someone to make the first ISG visit and report back.

Website is shite, but at least it gives address, and Respublinkansky Metro (now Olimpiyskiy) is just a minute away.

Club is one block further down the road, and opposite side to Penthaus Club, which is worth a visit solely for Krystyna IMO.

So come on LJ, CD, UkeB et al. Can you take out from Dolls (if so cost?). Is stage show fully nude? ENtrance / drinks costs, number of girls.

My experience tells me not to be too excited. They may in time get the best lookers like in Rhino, but the way website emphasises fully nude private dances available, makes it seem unlikely there's pussy on stage, and for some reason the feeling seems to be in Kyiv that upscale means no take-out. If they do offer takeaway option I am pretty sure they'll be trying to charge $400 minimum. Would not surprise me if Rio heads that way before Euro too. For me it would mean the end to visiting the place. Too much quality available elsewhere.

So, with over 2 weeks til my next visit, I hope I am not the first to report from Dolls!

[TheKnight]

You're totally correct. I don't offer advice, but my usual M. O. Is to fuck a wonderfully dirty girl I rate about a 6.5 when I land. It takes the edge off, so when I visit Shooters, Sorry Babushka, D*Lux or Rio I am not as desperate and there's slightly more chance of my head ruling my Dick.

I also have local GFs but still I like variety!

It is hard to turn down a great fuck for 500 or 600uah knowing you have no emotional attachment, can kick them out and go out for a good time straight after.

Barba's silence was short.

Maybe you are right Cruiser. I threw out my TV a long time ago so I can not remember. Thank you for the advice on the profile. After spending some more hours on these sites, it seems that it is not rocket science to weed out the agencies from the real girls. Once really busty (semi fake) blond has sent me a bunch of sexy pictures, while giggling on the cam. Huge tits and a pussy that will suck me in when I dive down to lick her. I am sure she is a first class hoe despite what she writes me, but she is there and for real.

I have attention from some girls that I do not really consider targets in normal cases, even if they are in their lower twenties. Fuckable after 4 gin and tonics, but maybe not in punani heaven. They seem to be normal girls but naturally short of money. My dick says "keep them on the radar as fall back" while my brain says "Barba you know that once you are there you will have much more interesting things to do than the mercy fucks". These girls are often good and grateful in bed, if one can see beyond the fact that they are 5-6 on a scale to 10. And sometimes they have pretty friends, at least in other parts of the world. How do you guys (with some game) go about it? Sort out the semi fuglies directly or consider them a required fall back for days when Ukraine just can not entertain you properly?

I used the help of SpanishMain in Marbella, and a guide saves time. I am always low on time so anyone that wants to guide me to some good apartments and some good clubs (apart from the obvious ones) , are welcome to PM me. Let me know the guide fee so we avoid surprises. Washed out hard core hookers are less interesting than my right hand. I never go above 21-22 in the Philippines and 18-19 is the normality, so there should preferably be a documented history of at least a couple of girls somewhere in the lower twenties if we visit some fine Ukrainian drinking establishment. Who knows, it might even be fun.

B.

[CityHunter77]

It seems there is an ebb and flow to the line up at a place like Rio, and sometimes the line up I have seen contains quite a few hotties to choose from. And then other times I have been there, it is less filled with hotties. For example, last nite after I went to Arena City Beer Hall to meet up with Hunter Dave, a very charming fellow as to whom it is easy to see why he is so inundated with hot pussy (if you've read his posts about his exploits, you'll know what I mean) , I went on to Rio at about midnite with the intention to take out a hottie, and if I could find one that would stay on until the next day, perhaps violate my own hard-learned rule (about sex first and then take girls out for other things) and take her over to D'lux to meet up with Hunter Dave and the girl he was meeting with. Well, I got to Rio and first went to the downstairs bar where Dima was managing things. I sat there for a good while becoming increasingly impatient with seeing average looking girls come on stage one after the other. I called Dima over to ask him what the Hell was going on and am I wasting my time waiting for the rest of the line up down there to appear? I asked him to please go backstage and take a look for me if there were any hot girls due to come onstage, which he did and came back to tell me that he doesn't know what to tell me but nothing spectacular. I did see Elvira a black-haired cute faced girl with a flat muscled stomach, nicely shaped sexy body, whom I had met before. She's possibly a 7. 5, sexy and doable, but nothing spectacular, and nobody I would be excited to go to D'lux nightclub with. Just a sexy girl that was doable if nothing better was on hand, and maybe not worth the $300. But she was the best that I saw in the downstairs bar, and there were too many girls I didn't even want to see dancing, let alone take home, and then I remembered that when I spoke to her when I met her last year, she was not so enthusiastic about oral sex and DATY, so I told her maybe I would come back downstairs for her, but that I was going to go upstairs then for a while. So after two cappuccinos, I became nervous that I'm wasting time down there, so Dima and I agreed that it would probably be better for me to go upstairs. First I sat in the VIP room, but there were only a few hot girls and more than I ever saw in VIP of average girls. I realized that something was seriously amiss this time at Rio, compared to the previous times I had been there, even the fast weekend of February 17. 18, not too long before. I didn't even stay in VIP long enough to finish my Perrier, and after seeing 5 or 6 sets of girls come out onstage who were not hottie material, I picked myself up and went over to Slava to ask what was going on with the line up and were they having staffing problems? Anyway, I moved to sit in the upstairs inner room bar and finally saw a few hotties at least on an 8 level. So I was happy to. Onto he sitting there until I could choose one. I tried with Amira (beautiful blonde who I would have loved to see on the dance floor at D'lux, a graduate of veterinary medicine, but she was inflexible about no DATY, and it was one pussy that ever since she flashed me with it during the private dance, that I really wanted, mmmmm perfect, but since she said no, I passed on her. I also had a dance with a new girl, Daria, petite cute blond, but nothing spectacular there either. The one spectacular girl I did see was Leela who I have had the hots for a long time, but she was with a local customer and never freed up. Then I saw the very pretty blond Anita on stage and remembered I had told her many times I would take her but it never happened. Well last night it did happen and she was an 8 and turned out to be a perfect GFE and everything I wanted was on the menu. I heard from Slava that the beautiful Lera was in VIP but by time I asked for her to be brought to me she was gone from the club. I asked about Laima a very sexy girl I had met in past but she was at Paradise that night. So I took Anita and was happy I did.

Friday night I picked up Katya from the club as we had made up previously so I didn't stay or check up on line up.

Based on Saturday night's line up, I wouldn't yet conclude anything drastic, but I am mindful of recent reports by others that reported not enough hotties. So I will take a look again on a different night and see what happens.

We're you unlucky? Maybe, because there we're times in past when the line up was chock full of hotties. I told Pasha that they have seriously work on the staffing. I guess we'll have to monitor things and see.

I didn't see the pretty Tanya this time yet. There was a post I did at the end of last year sometime between my trips September to November where I listed by name all the hot girls I had seen there worth looking at. Since things obviously change there over time, you need to see who is there at the actual time of your visit.

LJ.

Did you have a chance to check out Dolls?

http://dolls-club.com/index.php/home

[Ronaldinjo]

It seems there is an ebb and flow to the line up at a place like Rio, and sometimes the line up I have seen contains quite a few hotties to choose from. And then other times I have been there, it is less filled with hotties. For example, last nite after I went to Arena City Beer Hall to meet up with Hunter Dave, a very charming fellow as to whom it is easy to see why he is so inundated with hot pussy (if you've read his posts about his exploits, you'll know what I mean) , I went on to Rio at about midnite...

Once more I would like to thank you for your informative reports. Yes, the picture you are describing is quit similar to that I have encountered 2 months ago, too many undoable girls. Don't know whats the reason (exams? Frequent stuff changes? Something else?) it seems that rios management encounters seriouse problems with gathering of hot gerls. It is interesting what was Pahsas reaction to your opinion. Lets hope that it can change for a better side soon. Yes Lj, I have read all your stuff about Rio girls, including your famous big list. Just curious how many real hotties left there from that lineup. Which is more sexy and beautiful in you opinion, Anita, Lera or Katya? You recomendations are apprexiated. Lets hope you bring up better news from Rio and its linup in upcoming days. Happy morgening Joey.

[LilJoey]

Enjoy yourself dear Lj, hope your trip will be as memorable as possible. Your tips certainly helps and helped me when I was in Kiev, especially for Rio, tried mamba, delux, buddha bar and Rio then. I liked Rio, but the quantity of girls never exeeded 40 when I have been there, and I counted 5 real hotties maximum. Maybe I was unlucky then. I could tell you that I came early on and have been patient to see all the lineups and my visitations have been in the weekend days. Lj, is Tanya (pretty blond) still working at Rio and is it possible to take her home? Which are the hottest girls with takeout possibilities that you have seen there?

It seems there is an ebb and flow to the line up at a place like Rio, and sometimes the line up I have seen contains quite a few hotties to choose from. And then other times I have been there, it is less filled with hotties. For example, last nite after I went to Arena City Beer Hall to meet up with Hunter Dave, a very charming fellow as to whom it is easy to see why he is so inundated with hot pussy (if you've read his posts about his exploits, you'll know what I mean) , I went on to Rio at about midnite with the intention to take out a hottie, and if I could find one that would stay on until the next day, perhaps violate my own hard-learned rule (about sex first and then take girls out for other things) and take her over to D'lux to meet up with Hunter Dave and the girl he was meeting with. Well, I got to Rio and first went to the downstairs bar where Dima was managing things. I sat there for a good while becoming increasingly impatient with seeing average looking girls come on stage one after the other. I called Dima over to ask him what the Hell was going on and am I wasting my time waiting for the rest of the line up down there to appear? I asked him to please go backstage and take a look for me if there were any hot girls due to come onstage, which he did and came back to tell me that he doesn't know what to tell me but nothing spectacular. I did see Elvira a black-haired cute faced girl with a flat muscled stomach, nicely shaped sexy body, whom I had met before. She's possibly a 7. 5, sexy and doable, but nothing spectacular, and nobody I would be excited to go to D'lux nightclub with. Just a sexy girl that was doable if nothing better was on hand, and maybe not worth the $300. But she was the best that I saw in the downstairs bar, and there were too many girls I didn't even want to see dancing, let alone take home, and then I remembered that when I spoke to her when I met her last year, she was not so enthusiastic about oral sex and DATY, so I told her maybe I would come back downstairs for her, but that I was going to go upstairs then for a while. So after two cappuccinos, I became nervous that I'm wasting time down there, so Dima and I agreed that it would probably be better for me to go upstairs. First I sat in the VIP room, but there were only a few hot girls and more than I ever saw in VIP of average girls. I realized that something was seriously amiss this time at Rio, compared to the previous times I had been there, even the fast weekend of February 17. 18, not too long before. I didn't even stay in VIP long enough to finish my Perrier, and after seeing 5 or 6 sets of girls come out onstage who were not hottie material, I picked myself up and went over to Slava to ask what was going on with the line up and were they having staffing problems? Anyway, I moved to sit in the upstairs inner room bar and finally saw a few hotties at least on an 8 level. So I was happy to. Onto he sitting there until I could choose one. I tried with Amira (beautiful blonde who I would have loved to see on the dance floor at D'lux, a graduate of veterinary medicine, but she was inflexible about no DATY, and it was one pussy that ever since she flashed me with it during the private dance, that I really wanted, mmmmm perfect, but since she said no, I passed on her. I also had a dance with a new girl, Daria, petite cute blond, but nothing spectacular there either. The one spectacular girl I did see was Leela who I have had the hots for a long time, but she was with a local customer and never freed up. Then I saw the very pretty blond Anita on stage and remembered I had told her many times I would take her but it never happened. Well last night it did happen and she was an 8 and turned out to be a perfect GFE and everything I wanted was on the menu. I heard from Slava that the beautiful Lera was in VIP but by time I asked for her to be brought to me she was gone from the club. I asked about Laima a very sexy girl I had met in past but she was at Paradise that night. So I took Anita and was happy I did.

Friday night I picked up Katya from the club as we had made up previously so I didn't stay or check up on line up.

Based on Saturday night's line up, I wouldn't yet conclude anything drastic, but I am mindful of recent reports by others that reported not enough hotties. So I will take a look again on a different night and see what happens.

We're you unlucky? Maybe, because there we're times in past when the line up was chock full of hotties. I told Pasha that they have seriously work on the staffing. I guess we'll have to monitor things and see.

I didn't see the pretty Tanya this time yet. There was a post I did at the end of last year sometime between my trips September to November where I listed by name all the hot girls I had seen there worth looking at. Since things obviously change there over time, you need to see who is there at the actual time of your visit.

[Ronaldinjo]

Thank you for your good wishes, and your support. I hope my posts have been helpful to you in planning your trip to Kiev. It is an adventure you will enjoy and remember regardless of how many hotties you succeed in having. It is a great mongering environment with different aspects so that everyone seems to find a niche and have genuine fun with younger ladies despite being on the wrong side of 40.

This trip I have quite a bit of pre-arranged dates with girls I know already from previous trips, one from River Palace days, some from top-modals. Com and mamba. Ru, and some Rio girls whose numbers I have gotten, and who I have had that were awesome and must repeats, as well as a freebie date with an ex-Rio girl who I have been corresponding with since she left that club over a year ago. I have a few more days in town this visit, so I hope to spend some daylight time trying to chat up normal girls in the street and shopping plazas and see how far I can get with them, as well as try a lot more mamba girls and other websites to see what is the highest level of beauty girls I can get to that way. I feel it is worth the trouble involved because if I can get girls anywhere near the level of beauty of the young hotties I have taken out from Rio, it is certainly much more economical and cost effective than Rio. The times I tried mamba in the past, I only came up with girls who were above average like 6's or 7's, but if I keep at it maybe I can develop some contacts with some girls who are at least 8's, and that's pretty good if you can find an 8 with good service and for $100 or $75.

But of course, some of the evenings I will go to Rio too, because it's a very good option for nighttime playing, and I don't mind the price at least for a couple of dates during a trip. I also want to see if the nightclub WG's can be negotiated to 3 hours for $300 or even $400, which would make them competitive with the Rio prices, because it was reported recently that it is possible, whereas previously the nightclub girls were much higher priced, demanding $400 for 2 hours ($200 / hr) or $300 for 2 hours ($150 / hr) , which was higher than Rio. Maybe things are changing. We'll see.

I don't feel I want to go above a benchmark of a net cost of 100 Euro / hour for GFE service including BBBJ, with a girl on at least an 8 level, in a place like Kiev, where the lower rate of $100 / hour and lower is common enough.

As in past trips, while I am in Europe, I also want to experience my other favorite playland. So I have also planned a foray to FKK-land for weekend of April 18 to 22 and on the 18th I plan to hit Vienna, primarily to nail the awesome Joanna about whom I posted previously, and Artemis in Berlin, and I will be in Frankfurt on April 20-22 at FKK Oase and Palace.

With Kiev from March 30 to April 4, and FKK's from April 18 to 22, this April will be a very memorable one.

Happy Mongering

Enjoy yourself dear Lj, hope your trip will be as memorable as possible. Your tips certainly helps and helped me when I was in Kiev, especially for Rio, tried mamba, delux, buddha bar and Rio then. I liked Rio, but the quantity of girls never exeeded 40 when I have been there, and I counted 5 real hotties maximum. Maybe I was unlucky then. I could tell you that I came early on and have been patient to see all the lineups and my visitations have been in the weekend days. Lj, is Tanya (pretty blond) still working at Rio and is it possible to take her home? Which are the hottest girls with takeout possibilities that you have seen there?

[Horny Monger]

I know there's lots of controversy about LJ's posts, but I believe they're based on facts, credible and helpful to newbies with limited time and adequate resource. IMHO it's pretty amazing that he did what he did during his frequent short trips to Kiev. I mean he's new, doesn't speak the language and did so much during each of his trips.

Now you're being just plain silly. Do you really hold by the ridiculous conspiracy theory you just wrote in your last post? Your shrill tone does not bespeak any objectivity.

My reason for trying to expose the baselessness of your opinion about my reports is because I regard the info I have written to be a valuable resource to the members of the forum and I have taken pains to make it the most accurate information I could obtain by personal observation and experience. I have also always incorporated into my ongoing reports the opinions and insights of others who made good points, and served as a basis to correct something I had written previously. This is because I wanted there to be a reliable resource with accurate information available here. I am ready and have always been ready to defer to a fact or correct insight.

But you had no facts, just your arbitrary feeling that Cruiser Dave knows better than me what a pretty girl looks like. And that's ridiculous. You don't know me and you have not been to the club to be in a position to judge my opinions.

Therefore I felt you must be rebutted when you cast doubt on facts that I know to be true, not because I am thin skinned, which I am not, or a dolt, which I don't think I am, but because I want to preserve the truth for the benefit of the newbies and those readers trying to learn the ins and outs of mongering in Kiev. There are no commandments, just stuff I have discovered that worked for me, so I passed it on to others. There are mistakes one can make that I have learned the hard way can decrease one's success at a place like Rio, so I pass it on.

You want to invent another approach to snag hotties at Rio, be my guest, test it out and if you report it in good faith, I will try your recommendations too. It's the pussy that we can get that should be the goal of these reports, not tearing each other down. I'm sure you agree with at least that.