Good insight.

[Jojosun]

Rio is an average strip club with some average girls. When it was $200. The same as RP it was a decent alternative for straight up p4p.

I do know all about Kiev and I have provided alternatives. You are just too lazy to follow any of them. I suggest semi pro trolling at D'Lux.

The first thing you want to do it pay the UA village girls, hillybellies (what is this?) or the girls half your age in shopping malls is $300-$500 to fuck you. Who do you think it is plying the poles at Rio, but these aforementioned girls?

I have no idea what you are trying to say here.

Fuck a Ukrainian hooker in DC or London and save the airfare and apartment rental.

Dating and whoring are a wash money wise if you do it right. When dating turns into whoring or whoring into dating you are doing something wrong.

1. I have never paid more than US$ 100 to a WG in KIEV, never have, Yes, Never Will? I don't know. Never say never in Mongering, just like In Politics.

Both are about Negotiations & Supply and Demand.

2. I go to Rio, as well as to other clubs to have a good penetrating Looky, and a Lap Dance & thats it, much in the same way I do in London, where I usually get in for Free.

I am a free man I can F go where I like, Right, and if my Pockets are deep enough, then I will blow as much money as I can afford, without getting a second mortgage, or needing to explain WHY.

3. I meant getting Freebie ladies in London & Washington DC, who are 35 plus club, is dead easy.

4. From day one on this thread, I had to find things out for myself, and follow my intution.

5 Even at the height of the swine flu thing epedemy as they called it in UA, when everyone was Running out of Kiev, I landed there.

Just got a Jab in london & off on a nearly empty Wizzair to Kiev, landing in an empty Kiev Airport. 6. Even seniors like Ukeboy& Gergiev advised not to go there.

In Fact Ukeboy posted here that he was leaving Kiev for a long Holiday.

Had a great time there & in River Palace where it I was JOJO, who was Fixing the Prices & the services required.

And it was me who was declining DFK& BBBJ.

The moral of all of this BS, is that its not me looking for Tips or Alternatives, but merely saying that Bashing or Cheerleading one Particular venue, is no good for newbies without posting the Alternatives to Kiev.

And one more time, I am only interested in Pros& semi Pros. Not interested in Freebies or being lectured about them, or how where to pick them up. .

Having said that, good to hear from you again. PAL

[Cruiser D]

Rio is an average strip club with some average girls. When it was $200. The same as RP it was a decent alternative for straight up p4p.

I do know all about Kiev and I have provided alternatives. You are just too lazy to follow any of them. I suggest semi pro trolling at D'Lux.

The first thing you want to do it pay the UA village girls, hillybellies (what is this?) or the girls half your age in shopping malls is $300-$500 to fuck you. Who do you think it is plying the poles at Rio, but these aforementioned girls?

I have no idea what you are trying to say here.

Fuck a Ukrainian hooker in DC or London and save the airfare and apartment rental.

Dating and whoring are a wash money wise if you do it right. When dating turns into whoring or whoring into dating you are doing something wrong.

Trust The Knight to post in Time about his honest opinion of Cruiser, which I agree with, much in the same way when he stepped in to post about Liljoey, when he got all the hammering about RIO Club. Anyone who thinks RIO CLUB is NASTY, fair enough, its a matter of Opinion. Personally I just use it for Eye Candy. I did post some time back about other strip clubs including Tixiomut on the other side of the Dnipro, as well as other alternatives for fun in Kiev. But rather than going on & on about Rio Bashing or Rio Cheerleading, posters who claim that they know it all about Kiev, would do better by providing Alternatives to the Usual Tourist Places for the benefit of Newbies or for someone who wants a bit of change.

Tha last thing I want to do is fly my Ass all the way from London to chase some UA village girls, hillybellies on Kreschatick, or go round trying to chat up girls half my age in Shopping Malls or Stores.

It reminds me of that Film Breezy. I spent more than half of my life Chatting up & Shagging girls all over the world, and if I wanted to do this, I would rather do it at present right here in London, or Washington DC. Where all you need is a bit of BS to score with ladies, who have left the 18/30 Club.

Hence the need for me to head to KIEV, for Mongering, and not to play the Dating Game.

Simply not interested in it in EE countries. Mongering is cheaper for me than Dating In Kiev, or London for that matter.

One needs some sense of humor to be on here. How else can I now count Cruiser as my newly Acquired Best Chum, when he has just called me a NERD on a Revenge Mission? Revenge Of The Nerds, I ask you.

I'm pretty sure climax was paying $150 per hour per girl.

Sharing is caring.

Sorry CD, couldn't ease my Finger from the Reply Button, like you suggested yesterday.

Climaxnow. Got a 19 year old girl at US $150 / hour the first time, ok high for Kiev. Then he did post that the same girl came back with 2 other older girls with great performance skills for US$150 / hour. Reasonable. .

This is US$75 per girl / hour.

If he is to take a girl on a dinner & booze session, it will cost this much, or more in a good place in Kiev.

Besides one needs to learn the ropes & start some where. Crawl before you walk.

Now he has got an inner circle of few girls, which is not a bad start for a newbie, and a Referrals path in Kiev. The best way Mate, but I would keep it for myself, if I were you. Or do it on a Trade&Part Exchange with other members. The Pyramid Scheme

A P4P Swingers kind of Club. And when a Lady in the scheme gets to a cerain Age, male members can have her Mummfied & take her to Lavra Caves. Then old members & newbies can visit, buy candles & pay their respect.

Climaxnow might get further discounts from the girls, if he can play it cool, and tell them he wants to CLIMAXLATER.

To The Knight.

I am not worried about the Euro Footy 12. I am Bloody Worried about The UA getting into The EU, and I only have so many mongering years Left. .

Chao from a Sunny & Sexy London.

[Prosal]

Trust The Knight to post in Time about his honest opinion of Cruiser, which I agree with, much in the same way when he stepped in to post about Liljoey, when he got all the hammering about RIO Club. Anyone who thinks RIO CLUB is NASTY, fair enough, its a matter of Opinion. Personally I just use it for Eye Candy. I did post some time back about other strip clubs including Tixiomut on the other side of the Dnipro, as well as other alternatives for fun in Kiev. But rather than going on & on about Rio Bashing or Rio Cheerleading, posters who claim that they know it all about Kiev, would do better by providing Alternatives to the Usual Tourist Places for the benefit of Newbies or for someone who wants a bit of change.

Tha last thing I want to do is fly my Ass all the way from London to chase some UA village girls, hillybellies on Kreschatick, or go round trying to chat up girls half my age in Shopping Malls or Stores.

It reminds me of that Film Breezy. I spent more than half of my life Chatting up & Shagging girls all over the world, and if I wanted to do this, I would rather do it at present right here in London, or Washington DC. Where all you need is a bit of BS to score with ladies, who have left the 18/30 Club.

Hence the need for me to head to KIEV, for Mongering, and not to play the Dating Game.

Simply not interested in it in EE countries. Mongering is cheaper for me than Dating In Kiev, or London for that matter.

One needs some sense of humor to be on here. How else can I now count Cruiser as my newly Acquired Best Chum, when he has just called me a NERD on a Revenge Mission? Revenge Of The Nerds, I ask you.

Sorry CD, couldn't ease my Finger from the Reply Button, like you suggested yesterday.

Climaxnow. Got a 19 year old girl at US $150 / hour the first time, ok high for Kiev. Then he did post that the same girl came back with 2 other older girls with great performance skills for US$150 / hour. Reasonable.

This is US$75 per girl / hour.

If he is to take a girl on a dinner & booze session, it will cost this much, or more in a good place in Kiev.

Besides one needs to learn the ropes & start some where. Crawl before you walk.

Now he has got an inner circle of few girls, which is not a bad start for a newbie, and a Referrals path in Kiev. The best way Mate, but I would keep it for myself, if I were you. Or do it on a Trade&Part Exchange with other members. The Pyramid Scheme

A P4P Swingers kind of Club. And when a Lady in the scheme gets to a cerain Age, male members can have her Mummfied & take her to Lavra Caves. Then old members & newbies can visit, buy candles & pay their respect.

Climaxnow might get further discounts from the girls, if he can play it cool, and tell them he wants to CLIMAXLATER.

To The Knight.

I am not worried about the Euro Footy 12. I am Bloody Worried about The UA getting into The EU, and I only have so many mongering years Left. .

Chao from a Sunny & Sexy London.

What a rambling, semi-coherent, painful-reading and condescending BS nonsense (as usual).

Anyway, obviously the fact that the real treasure of FSU is in the freebie scene and that relationships with women can exist without money being the primary motivation seems beyond your comprehension. It sounds like it has been a while since the last time you were with a girl who didn't expect any financial benefice but simply liked you as a person (if that ever happened).

[Jojosun]

Can we please stop the mud-slinging to coin a phrase.

Cruiser has contributed loads, and is entitled to his opinion. Personally never met the guy, but never read anything to be offended by.

What Cruiser is saying is true, but as a newbie most of us don't / didn't have confidence from day 1 because of western conditioning.

In reality you should be at an advantage on day 1 as it is the youngest you will ever be in Kyiv.

So stop blaming others and their opinions and concentrate on your own game.

And yes, $150 an hour is close to extortionate here I have to say. There are loads of great p4p on Minuet, topModals and Mamba,

And if you have the "game"/personality, you will score a freebie in Kyiv way better than you could back home.

My fear is that last sentence may only have 2 months to run until the Euro footy rolls into town to spoil everything!

Trust The Knight to post in Time about his honest opinion of Cruiser, which I agree with, much in the same way when he stepped in to post about Liljoey, when he got all the hammering about RIO Club. Anyone who thinks RIO CLUB is NASTY, fair enough, its a matter of Opinion. Personally I just use it for Eye Candy. I did post some time back about other strip clubs including Tixiomut on the other side of the Dnipro, as well as other alternatives for fun in Kiev. But rather than going on & on about Rio Bashing or Rio Cheerleading, posters who claim that they know it all about Kiev, would do better by providing Alternatives to the Usual Tourist Places for the benefit of Newbies or for someone who wants a bit of change.

Tha last thing I want to do is fly my Ass all the way from London to chase some UA village girls, hillybellies on Kreschatick, or go round trying to chat up girls half my age in Shopping Malls or Stores.

It reminds me of that Film Breezy. I spent more than half of my life Chatting up & Shagging girls all over the world, and if I wanted to do this, I would rather do it at present right here in London, or Washington DC. Where all you need is a bit of BS to score with ladies, who have left the 18/30 Club.

Hence the need for me to head to KIEV, for Mongering, and not to play the Dating Game.

Simply not interested in it in EE countries. Mongering is cheaper for me than Dating In Kiev, or London for that matter.

One needs some sense of humor to be on here. How else can I now count Cruiser as my newly Acquired Best Chum, when he has just called me a NERD on a Revenge Mission? Revenge Of The Nerds, I ask you.

Sorry CD, couldn't ease my Finger from the Reply Button, like you suggested yesterday.

Climaxnow. Got a 19 year old girl at US $150 / hour the first time, ok high for Kiev. Then he did post that the same girl came back with 2 other older girls with great performance skills for US$150 / hour. Reasonable. .

This is US$75 per girl / hour.

If he is to take a girl on a dinner & booze session, it will cost this much, or more in a good place in Kiev.

Besides one needs to learn the ropes & start some where. Crawl before you walk.

Now he has got an inner circle of few girls, which is not a bad start for a newbie, and a Referrals path in Kiev. The best way Mate, but I would keep it for myself, if I were you. Or do it on a Trade&Part Exchange with other members. The Pyramid Scheme

A P4P Swingers kind of Club. And when a Lady in the scheme gets to a cerain Age, male members can have her Mummfied & take her to Lavra Caves. Then old members & newbies can visit, buy candles & pay their respect.

Climaxnow might get further discounts from the girls, if he can play it cool, and tell them he wants to CLIMAXLATER.

To The Knight.

I am not worried about the Euro Footy 12. I am Bloody Worried about The UA getting into The EU, and I only have so many mongering years Left. .

Chao from a Sunny & Sexy London.

[LilJoey]

Wish you a nice trip, enjoy yourself there Joey. And please report us about all the hot girls you see in Rio, if you don't mind aske them if the stage is going o change in middle and beginning of may due to exams, and if you find little time maybe have some glance at solid gold and red lion in kreshatik. Best wishes dear Liljoey.

Thank you for your good wishes, and your support. I hope my posts have been helpful to you in planning your trip to Kiev. It is an adventure you will enjoy and remember regardless of how many hotties you succeed in having. It is a great mongering environment with different aspects so that everyone seems to find a niche and have genuine fun with younger ladies despite being on the wrong side of 40.

This trip I have quite a bit of pre-arranged dates with girls I know already from previous trips, one from River Palace days, some from top-modals. Com and mamba. Ru, and some Rio girls whose numbers I have gotten, and who I have had that were awesome and must repeats, as well as a freebie date with an ex-Rio girl who I have been corresponding with since she left that club over a year ago. I have a few more days in town this visit, so I hope to spend some daylight time trying to chat up normal girls in the street and shopping plazas and see how far I can get with them, as well as try a lot more mamba girls and other websites to see what is the highest level of beauty girls I can get to that way. I feel it is worth the trouble involved because if I can get girls anywhere near the level of beauty of the young hotties I have taken out from Rio, it is certainly much more economical and cost effective than Rio. The times I tried mamba in the past, I only came up with girls who were above average like 6's or 7's, but if I keep at it maybe I can develop some contacts with some girls who are at least 8's, and that's pretty good if you can find an 8 with good service and for $100 or $75.

But of course, some of the evenings I will go to Rio too, because it's a very good option for nighttime playing, and I don't mind the price at least for a couple of dates during a trip. I also want to see if the nightclub WG's can be negotiated to 3 hours for $300 or even $400, which would make them competitive with the Rio prices, because it was reported recently that it is possible, whereas previously the nightclub girls were much higher priced, demanding $400 for 2 hours ($200 / hr) or $300 for 2 hours ($150 / hr) , which was higher than Rio. Maybe things are changing. We'll see.

I don't feel I want to go above a benchmark of a net cost of 100 Euro / hour for GFE service including BBBJ, with a girl on at least an 8 level, in a place like Kiev, where the lower rate of $100 / hour and lower is common enough.

As in past trips, while I am in Europe, I also want to experience my other favorite playland. So I have also planned a foray to FKK-land for weekend of April 18 to 22 and on the 18th I plan to hit Vienna, primarily to nail the awesome Joanna about whom I posted previously, and Artemis in Berlin, and I will be in Frankfurt on April 20-22 at FKK Oase and Palace.

With Kiev from March 30 to April 4, and FKK's from April 18 to 22, this April will be a very memorable one.

Happy Mongering

[Cruiser D]

I can only assume English is not your first language and you have some comprehension issues.

I never said to go whoring on Khreshatic. What I did say to someone who has been to Kiev often is to ask why he keeps going to an establishment like Rio when all he has to do wander around a bit to find beautiful Ukrainian girls who are basically all over the city and very approachable.

It's hard to say I am all theory when I have actually done everything I have talked about.

After coming to Ukraine for 8 years I find the best approach for finding normal girls is chatting them up in everyday settings and online. I've found the best place for finding p4p girls to be online, specifically Mamba.

But that is just my approach, one that I have a lot of success with. That doesn't mean you or anyone else will. But I also post a lot of rock solid advice and information for the noobs and sex tourist. I have great success in the US dating world and it would stand to reason I would in the Ukrainian dating world and I do. YMMV.

Take for example last night. I went to Shooter's to join Irish Lad at his usual table. Hunter Dave was also there. I'm pretty sure I was the only male in the place who wasn't looking to hook up with anyone. Thanks mostly to the skills of Vika, Masha and Lilia earlier that day; I had to give Lilia the boot in order to go. I was there strictly to observe the kinetic energy and to hang out with IL for the night. I'm not sure if I will go Sunday night and I know I will not be in Kiev for another 6 months so I wanted to spend some quality time with the gang. If I was looking to 'hook up' that is as easy as a phone call or sms. no need to go play night club games.

Now here is a post that is total BS and hilarious. 99. 999 per cent of the women walking Khreshatic are just nice Ukranian girls that want nothing to do with mongering. If you want to look like a predator, start approaching the girls on the street. The problem with this member is he is all theory. He has a problem realizing newbies have to begin at ground floor and slowly work there way up the pussy ladder in Ukraine. He believes that we should be jumping from stage 1 to stage 5 instantly and skip everything in between. He holds an edge over us newbies because he has been here a lot longer and chooses to bash are baby steps to FSU pussy heaven.

That's right JoJo....slowly ease your finger away from the 'reply' button....

[Ronaldinjo]

Good insight.

Like Jojosun says: 'It's all in the eyes of beer holder.

In general, it's so true, and it does depend on what a man is used to looking and getting. If a man is used to looking and getting below average girls, suddenly an above average girl shows up, he'll think she's a stunner. But you'll be surprised, quite a few guys "over 50, bald, fat, some with eyeglasses dirty blue jeans and t-shirts" knows the difference between a 6 and a 9; perhaps they'd just like to give readers the impression that they are doing a girl who is not better looking than she really is.

You know, when I went to RIO I see many guys over 50, bald, fat, some with eyeglasses dirty blue jeans and t-shirts. To them probably every girl is a 10, so it all depends.

The good thing about RIO is that you see the girls body and you can see her pussy (private dance) before you take her home, not all pussies look nice and pretty.

I don't mind visiting RIO if I just happen to be Kiev for business or whatever but I will never travel to Kiev just for RIO, most girls are just average or below average, its very hard to find a good looking dancer to take home outside the VIP room, and some of the girls in the VIP room won't go home with you, they are just dancers.

Do you guys know a good site for uploading videos? I can upload a video of a dancer masturbating on my sofa while I was in the shower.

If you you have a weak personality the dancers will not stay with you for 3 hours, they will come to your flat, will give you a covered BJ and have sex and then waste time talking to you and so on they are very good in killing time, you have to make it clear to them its for 3 hours, there was a dancer who was giving me a BJ and a hand job like we have only 15 minutes, I had to slow her down and tell her I don't want a handjob and remind her we have 3 hours not 15 minutes