Good insight.

[Muddy7]

LJ is lying about getting bbj from girls at RIO too, so many of his posts about RIO are just bullshit.

Look how many hookers do bbj at gia.

http://gia.la/

The number of dancers who do bbj at RIO is much less than gia.

If LJ is not a shill then he is just stupid, only a dumb loser would spend so much time writing all this bullshit and think RIO is his best option, what a fool.

LJ, I read the first three lines and had to stop. It is only you who don't understand. I will just come and hold your hand instead, LJ. I will help you to type even.

You are the first to make it onto my block list ever here on ISG. Not because you are pathetic but because you are meaningless.

I will not see your responses but I am sure they will be lengthy and verbose, aiming at defending your manhood for your fantasy mates here at ISG. Don't forget to mention RIO at least once a day here.

Barba

[Muddy7]

This is what Joey gets from the RIO girls:

1- When you add the cost of his trip he is really paying over $450 for every meeting.

2- I seriously doubt the majority of the dancers stay with him for the full 3 hours.

3- I would say 9 out of every 10 dancer he takes home do not give him BBBJ, I also doubt the majority of the dancers would let him do DATY if he wants to.

4- Joey is over 50, his trips are very short and he says every night he takes a dancer home, I doubt he fucks her more than one time.

5- the majority of the time he is just talking to her.

So, he is really paying over $450 for less than 3 hours for covered blow job and lots of talking, I guess Joey thinks this is great sex, its really dumb to fly over 24 hours just for this, LOL.

Its interesting how an old man from NY takes so much time writing all these long posts pimping a night club and only travels to Kiev for RIO, LOL.

Hey Joey, are sure you are not the old English teacher who gives English lessons to dancers at RIO?

[Muddy7]

FINAL RIO REPORT.

If you happen to be in Kiev and you are looking for p4p then its a good place to checkout.

But its crazy to get on a long flight and travel to Kiev just for RIO.

Girls I took home:

Isabella- red hair, nice body and tits and nice attitude but I won't repeat.

Bella- Blond, I won't repeat, may post a video of her masturbating on my sofa while I was in the shower, LOL.

Katya- dark hair, nice body, didn't like her attitude that much, definitely won't repeat.

Ada- dark hair, nice body, nice attitude but won't repeat.

Sophia- blonde, nice body, great tits, saw her 2 times.

Almost all the girls I mentioned above don't do BBBJ, you can try offering them more money.

Rosa- very average body, dark hair, very pretty face but won't repeat.

Lera, blond, didn't think she was attractive enough to take home for $300.

Derina- $500 girl, nice body but small tits, not pretty, she is definitely not worth it for $500 especially since she does not do BBBJ.

There were some girl I really wanted to take home but they don't go out with men they meet in the club like Zlatta, Leya, Katrin, Margarita (?)

So when you read in some posts there are 150 girls working there don't think all 150 are hookers.

Overall I was disappointed, didn't think there were that many pretty girls there but if I happen to be in Kiev and I have free time and looking for p4p I will go there again.

I think if you find a girl outside VIP room she may give you a better time than the VIP girls often mentioned in LilJoey posts

[Harry Hardman]

Good insight.

Like Jojosun says: 'It's all in the eyes of beer holder.

In general, it's so true, and it does depend on what a man is used to looking and getting. If a man is used to looking and getting below average girls, suddenly an above average girl shows up, he'll think she's a stunner. But you'll be surprised, quite a few guys "over 50, bald, fat, some with eyeglasses dirty blue jeans and t-shirts" knows the difference between a 6 and a 9; perhaps they'd just like to give readers the impression that they are doing a girl who is not better looking than she really is.

You know, when I went to RIO I see many guys over 50, bald, fat, some with eyeglasses dirty blue jeans and t-shirts. To them probably every girl is a 10, so it all depends.

The good thing about RIO is that you see the girls body and you can see her pussy (private dance) before you take her home, not all pussies look nice and pretty.

I don't mind visiting RIO if I just happen to be Kiev for business or whatever but I will never travel to Kiev just for RIO, most girls are just average or below average, its very hard to find a good looking dancer to take home outside the VIP room, and some of the girls in the VIP room won't go home with you, they are just dancers.

Do you guys know a good site for uploading videos? I can upload a video of a dancer masturbating on my sofa while I was in the shower.

If you you have a weak personality the dancers will not stay with you for 3 hours, they will come to your flat, will give you a covered BJ and have sex and then waste time talking to you and so on they are very good in killing time, you have to make it clear to them its for 3 hours, there was a dancer who was giving me a BJ and a hand job like we have only 15 minutes, I had to slow her down and tell her I don't want a handjob and remind her we have 3 hours not 15 minutes

[Ronaldinjo]

Over all my trip was pleasant. As a city Kiev sucks, but there are a lot of beautiful girls and facially I find ukrainian girls to be best in europe (I have been in all europe) , better than their Russian sisters.

Summary:

1. Mamba was great this time, best girl in my trip I have got from mamba, better than any stripper in Rio and dalls. One more girl at least 8 for me, very hot. Conclusion: recommended highly, but you need to be patient and a little bit lucky. And to be prepared for some trolls in the way. As Lj said, its a game of numbers.

2. Bordels. Been in some of them, the problem is that you need to come and see in peak time when a whole lineup is present, when I came I saw only pairs of girls, others were bizzy, saw some nice girls for 1000 / h, but didn't take them as I didn't find anyone above 7, and was very tired from previous sessions with my mamba princess. But I must confess that I saw only few chicks, if you are patient you can certainly find a very nice girls there as my buddy told me. And the girls seemed very nice from attitude point of view.

3. Rio. Have been several times, there certainly were some very nice girls and some ugly ones too. Unfortunately, most of the best ones are not takeout yet. Lj, asked once more mikhael and pasha about leela, and they didn't know about whom I was talking about. I don't think that the reason is they hide something, they were very friendly and open, tald me everything, helped me, but no such girl as leela (changed her name?). Saw vladislava, nice looking girl, but didn't talk to her. Made some privat dances, including wih katya, who has great legs and is very sexy, taled no DATY in first meeting, talked to leaya, katrin, margarita, but they are not for takeout unfortunately, except maybe margarita, which was takeout possibility, but didn't like her attitude towards me. All in all didn't take out any girl for sex, the main reason is my mamba princess, which drained me completelly, but Rio is good option if you don't find something better. Albait expensive (if you take out girl, tips, drinks, taxy its minimum 400$/3h) its very important friends that you inform us about girls (as Lj does very professionaly, as Muddy did also) about girls names, takeout possibilities, their attitude. It can help us a lot. Haven't been in mandarin.

4. Dalls. Nice place, girls are very friendly, only 20 work, much less visitors than Rio, very good service, saw 2-3 nice girls, talked to 2 them (Irina and Nika?) both of them agreed DATY and uncovered BJ. 300$ for 2 hours from entering the hous till departure, I don't think you need more than 2 hours with girls, liked girls attitude, but once more, was very tired and preffered to waist my remaining money on my mamba princess (that in my opinion was better than any dancer I saw in both Rio and dalls).

5. Clubs. Didn't search for girls there this time as my graphic was very tense.

[El Cubanito]

I am African American and I actually been here in Kiev for 1 month and will be here for 2 more months. I have wesley snipes complexion (very dark) but like to think I have a really cool style when it comes to fashion. Pedro was right in the sense of not walking by yourself at night out of crowded areas downtown and nearby clubs or bars. Now granted I will be honest. I have only been out 1 time since I have been here and that was to TGI Fridays with a puerto rican friend of mines. I got stares from women but none in which I could actually decipher and I kept walking. I chose not to speak cause I figured they either did not speak english or would not speak to me in fear of ukranian men watching them or something. (that was my reasoning). Now I could have been wrong but if you step out. You will get stares from men also (some good, some bad). In reality no one on this site can tell you what people think about you because they are not black. Now they can go off what women may tell them or darker complexion friends they may have went out with. Climax kindly gave me pointers also as to what to expect here and you get mixed reviews. Some guys here will say ukranian women love darker complexion guys because you would be considered exotic, some guys will tell you ukranian women may or may not talk to you. I decided to use mamba and banged 2 chicks. Both about 6 or 7 in my book, but they were both freebies simply because they were fascinated with black men. I got a few messages from women who said they are not into black men so it's a toss up. While you are in town. Let me know and I may hang with you. Granted I have not stepped foot in a single club or bar except TGI Fridays. I am still earning this place

Hey man thank you for giving me insight as to what I might expect over there when I get there. I do hope I have fun. I have a good picture from what everybody has told me and have read in past posts. Guys, I do have one more question. Taxi Cabs in Ukraine, to be exact in Kiev, what is the story with them? If I get in one late at night say at 2:00 AM from Rio will this be a problem for me? Will I be found the next day without no money in my pockets? Or do I have to call one of those taxi services that I seen on this Kiev Section? Poker in your report you stated that you stay away from taxi one night when you were coming out of Rio. Did you stay away because of problems that you knew might happen? Or because you wre close to your apartment? Poker you had the house owner pick you up at the airport. Why did you not take a taxi? Safety issues? What is going on with these taxi drivers. Magic you can give your 2 cents also.

[Prosal]

baby likes daddy in a suit.

Well, depends of the suit. An 1500€ Roberto Cavalli, Pal Zileri or Zegna suit (slim cut, straight pants, two buttons, ect) and a 500$ out of date three buttons suit with pleat-front pants (or worse, cuffs) are two very different things. Slavic girls are VERY fashion-conscious and are very good at jauging what you wear (and very fast to write you off if they judge that you are cheap and has-been).

Recently I bumped into the photo galleries of the famous "romance tours in Ukraine" organized for yanks by Anastasia dot com (or something alike) and I ROTFLOL just to see how most of the guys were dressed, that is with outmoded and cheap suits.

Anyway, I don't imagine myself wearing a suit in a club, but as usual, to each its own.

[Cruiser D]

Skip the strip clubs and go to the disco's the semi pro's go to. I suggest D'Lux, SkyBar, Arena.

Found a bunch of places listed here outside places like Rio that gets mentioned a lot:

http://striptease.ua/eng/

I'll be on my first trip to Kiev next week, just want a few pointers.

I red that the bill in a place like Paradise Cabaret can easily go sky-high as you're almost expected to spend $1000 or more. (champagne etc.)

What's the damage like in somewhere like Rio? Also, can you take the girls out later, is that an individual decision or is that usually not an option?

Thanks

[LilJoey]

Sorry, LJ it got lost in all the text here. Please bare in mind that English is not even my second language so sometimes I get confused with all the words. I will be more cautious next time I read your creations. I have been touching the fact that I have unfavorable experiences of female sex workers from strip clubs but I can only interpret your posts as if you have finally found the once city (or perhaps club) in the world where the hard core hookers in a strip club still have a sweet GFE personality, at least with the same distribution as the rest of society. Great news! Thank you for sharing this, because this is sort of a dream. 9s and 10s who works in the sex industry and still display no dents from this harsh environment are quite rare if you look at a global scene. It requires quite a lot from a girl to dance all night and then fuck a new guy every night, and still be able to connect like a real girlfriend. I am glad that such a paradise exists. Once again, thank you LJ for sharing this extraordinary information. Now I think we will really see some lemming trails to this country (and club). Blink.

Barba

Ok. I can't help the long posts sometimes. What is your native language?

Let's not overstate the case. I have decidedly NOT found the Paradise you describe of "9s and 10s who works in the sex industry and still display no dents from this harsh environment" and "hard core hookers in a strip club still have a sweet GFE personality, at least with the same distribution as the rest of society".

Factually, I have stayed away from the ratings games, because not every guy agrees exactly on a rating, so I have found it more useful to speak of girls who are 8 and above, ever since sometime last year in the Fall of 2011. My posts since that time do not speak of 9's and 10's. No one agrees what is a 10 anyways. The best way to break down the girls' appearance is into three categories: (1) girls who are not doable, meaning they are so unappealing you would not desire sex with them for free, let alone pay for it. (2) average looking, or even above average looking girls who are doable, but only if you are horny, and because they have a very cheap price. This includes many of the mamba. Ru girls from the fake picture internet websites who are 6's and 7's. And (3) girls who are desireable because of their very good looks. 8's and above, and for whom you would pay a higher price for because of their beauty.

So in the expensive club you speak of, I have been looking for girls in the third category. 8's and above. I have not been seeing 10's there. And only a select few whom I personally would rate as 9's. So in writing posts for others, what I try to do is speak of girls who are 8's and above, or in the 8 to 9 range, and let each individual man rate her for themselves when they check her out.

As the the issue of "sweetness" or GFE capacity of the girls, I am not saying anything statistical about the girls in the club, such as that most of them are sweet or GFE. Quite the opposite. I have been candid in describing the interview and search process that is necessary to engage in, in order to find girls that I feel will be GFE when I get them back to my apartment. If you will read my earlier posts on the subject, you will understand.

Having said that, what I will say further is that as a result of the care with which I try to select the girls I take home, that I have been fortunate to be with many GFE girls, who were very sweet, and with whom I repeat many times, because of their beauty and their sweetness.

The important thing for you to take away from this post is that at the strip club of which we speak, there are sufficient numbers of girls capable of giving you a GFE experience, for you to invest the effort in trying to find them and meet them. For success on that path would be very rewarding. Obviously To Succeed you will need to have mongering skills, and to know how to sense what a girl is about from some conversation with her, as well as the more intimate type of "interview" you can conduct during a "private dance" with a girl in the club when you see if there is any chemistry between you.

The question you raise is, why is it possible to find GFE type girls in a sex working environment, and why aren't they hardened and bitchy?

One reason might be that there are constantly new girls being hired from the universities or the provinces, who are fresh and unspoilt. These girls haven't had the time in the business to become jaded and hardened bitches. Additionally, The girls who work at the club are not "required" to go with any and every customer to his apartment, they are not your customary "hardened sex workers". They can choose to go with whom they like, and so it is important to get them to like you, just like date with any woman. It is also perhaps the reason that a GFE type date can ensue, since you began the relationship with the girl, by you yourself being your sweetest and nicest to her, and she responded with warmth and good feelings and vibes. So it progresses from there. It can be a high level GFE date, but you are part of the equation yourself. If you don't act gentlemanly and sweet, then probably a GFE type nice girl will never go with you on a date. Why do the nice girls do this work? Because they need the money. All over Ukraine are wonderful nice pretty girls looking for a guy to sponsor and help them. It seems that some of these nice girls get recruited into the strip club, and are available there. I guess over time, the environment might get to them and they become less sweet and GFE, but in the beginning they are genuinely sweet and lot's of fun to be with.

I don't think it is only possible at the club I frequented. It is probably possible to find GFE at the other strip clubs too, although they are more pricey than Rio. I stopped into Dolls during my last visit in April, and some of the girls there had good potential. But the price at Dolls of $300/2hours was higher than Rio so I didn't bite.

In over a year of dates with Rio girls, I never yet took home a girl who turned out to be bitchy. They were all nice and sweet and fun to be with, although a few didn't provide what is considered the full range of GFE services, namely to include BBBJ. But even though the BJ was covered, everything else about the sex and the date of several hours was fun and GFE. So it's possible, Barba, but only if you have the skills to choose the girl wisely.

Barba, if you would avoid strip clubs as a venue for mongering in Kiev, and choose instead to go to regular nightclubs to find Working Girls, you do not at all avoid this crucial issue of the difficulty of finding a girl who is GFE!

Any guy who is poicking up any Working Girl anywhere, will confront the question of whether she will be GFE or not. That's true in the nightclubs, in the strip clubs, off of mamba website. ANYWHERE.

So avoiding strip clubs, and going to nightclubs instead, gets you nowhere on this GFE issue. As to the issue of finding GFE, it is all the same. One must be on one's guard, and choose carefully.

The issue for me about deciding where to go in Kiev was about the cheapest price for a very hot girl of 8 level and above, and avoiding time waste on a short trip. Based on those criteria, it was River Palace, then it became cheaper at Rio during 2011, and now in 2012, according to Cruiser D, it is cheaper at nightclubs other than Buddha bar. But in all those venues, there was never any guarantee on GFE, and one always had to be very careful, and interview the girl very specifically, and choose very wisely.

LJ

[LilJoey]

Alright, I was wrong to call you a shill LJ but your rating of Rio's girls seems a bit high. I've talked to the cutest ones in all 3 rooms, either they were a 9 for face, a 9 for body or a 9 for attitude but I haven't met any 9 overall to take out. Vlada would be the closest one to a 9 if it was not for her bad attitude. Again, I have not seen Katya and the mysterious Leela. BTW, can you provide a good description of Leela? I will ask the manager if she's still around. IMO, Best face: Martha, Best body: Vlada Best attitude: Sofia. Girls in nightclubs like Sky Bar and Dlux are as hot as the best looking girls in RIO, easy to talk to, fun to dance with but freebies are tough to bring home. So I understand why you love Rio so much, if you have money, it's a good alternative for a short stay in Kiev. Now I still think that there are better deals in town, freebies if you're good looking, mamba if you're lucky and 6s or 7s if you are horny.

Thanks for the civilized response.

You hit the nail on the head. Yes, there are pretty girls all over, in the nightclubs and in the streets. But you can't have them for sex. So if it's sex you're after with such pretty young girls, you need to follow the correct method to get it, and it involves paying a bit more than for just average looking girls.

Your last line is absolutely correct."there are better deals in town, freebies if you're good looking, mamba if you're lucky and 6s or 7s if you are horny". Couldn't have said it better.

As to your comment about me giving a 9 rating, factually, I haven't been in the ratings game for quite some time, so I don't recall rating anyone specifically as a "9", and I have taken pains to not give specific ratings ever since the Fall of 2011. Instead, What I will usually say is that there are girls in the 8 to 9 range, or that a girl is an 8 to 9. I don't believe one can be more specific than this in a way that is useful to others.

Last year. 2011, I conducted an experiment whereby I posted some pics of the Playboy Centerfolds I liked and thought should be considered 10's, and solicited comment from the members. The results proved that there is truly no way for exact consistency in opinions on beauty.

Ever since then I have actually shied away from ascribing one specific number rating to any girl I met. I found that some guys would agree with my number, some would put the girl at one number higher, and some would rate her one number lower, and these comprised more or less a majority of men. As a result of that experiment and the discussion that ensued, I concluded that it was more useful to speak of an upper category of women 8 or above, or women who were 8 to 9's. This would communicate to others that the girl was regarded as very hot or beautiful, instead of just average or above average. Some might think her an 8, some might consider her a 9, and this was a close enough way of communicating that she was deserving of attention as a beautiful girl. I explained this approach in posting a list last Fall 2011, after numerous visits to Rio, that listed those girls that I thought were "worth taking a look at", by which I meant they were better than just average / above average.

But, having said all that, if I did say a girl was a 9 specifically, it was to indicate she is in the very top eschelon of girls at the club. No 10's can be given as it is in the realm of men's fantasies.

As for Leela, I posted a description of Leela just a few pages back in response to the requests by Ronaldinjo. She is a girl whom I have seen at the Rio club during visits in 2011 and finally had the opportunity to speak to and ultimately to date on my most recent Kiev visit March 30 to April 4, 2012. She is quite pretty facially, has light brown hair and a very sexy body. I feel she is cover girl material, having seen some of her professional modeling photos. Ronaldinjo said he asked the managers and that they said they don't know to whom he was referring. I asked him which managers, but haven't heard back on it. Perhaps the managers don't give out information as freely to those they do not know for a long time and trust. Or perhaps she has moved on and no longer works there. Or perhaps there is another explanation. I don't know. Her services are GFE and top notch. She is one of the best girls I have met at the club. Leela's friend was Vladislava. It doesn't seem it's the same girl you are referring to as Vlada. Vladislava was very friendly to me. Very pretty eyes and face. Slim and sexy. Jet black hair. If you are lucky enough to figure out how to meet Leela or Vladislava, I would be interested to hear about it. Unfortunately, I will not be back in Kiev until September or October.

Sophia and Katya are not on Leela's level, in my opinion. Katya has gained a little also since the time I first met her last year, but she is still a wholesome, beautiful princess with awesome long brunette hair, although she is very health conscious and wants everything covered, safe sex. Sophia is more flexible re services. Both are super nice girls and very GFE to be with.

[GreyGoose69]

I am not, nor have I ever "shilled" for any venue. That is a slander started by a poster who had an ulterior agenda. You can read all about it in the separate thread established by the Administrator. I am not shilling for having an opinion that the girls at Rio are pretty hot, any more than you are shilling when you write that same opinion. I have explained my opinion many times. Why can't you and others understand that having an opinion does not make one a shill. Furthermore, my opinion is based on facts and logical conclusions. If you want to dispute me, please do not resort to calling me names to discredit the honesty of my opinions. Please simply debate the facts, or explain why you disagree with my opinion. Is that too much to ask?

My opinion in a nutshell was that I did not care to waste so much time on mamba girls which were not guaranteed to be very hot girls coming to your apartment, and that I preferred venues where I could see the girls in advance, which was the nightclubs and the strip clubs. When I compared the scene at the nightclubs to the strip clubs, I saw that at the time Rio strip club had the cheapest rates in 2011. Those are the reported facts in this forum. Nightclub girls were asking $400 and above, and the lowest reported rates were $300/2hours. Rio was cheaper. Am I a shill for preferring the cheaper venue or merely pointing it out? Also in the nightclubs it wasn't so easy to find which girls were the Working Girls and then to negotiate which took a lot of time. So I saw that it was simpler and quicker at Rio. Am I a shill for choosing the location which made finding a hot girl for p4p to take home to my bed much easier and quicker than at the nightclub? Obviously not. I'm simply choosing to monger where it made most sense for my purposes on a short weekend visit, when I had the budget that would allow me to have fun with very hot young girls. Gia-escort was never a consideration for me because their girls didn't appeal to me.

Now, since I haven't been in the nightclubs for a while, I didn't know for sure the current rates for the hottest girls in the nightclubs. So when I read in 2012 recently that Cruiser D, whom I trust on this, was reporting nightclub girl prices had gone down to $200/2hours, or even less for the hottest girls too, then based on that, my opinion changed as to where is the best place to try to get a hot girl for p4p, and I have written that I intend to try first at the nightclubs, because even though it is still not as efficient as at the strip club, nevertheless the price differential is too significant to ignore, and I regard it as similar to when the River Palace was in existence. I usually never paid more than $200 at the River Palace and was ok with the waiting game that one had to go through until the hottest girls would come down in price. So I can deal with the searching out of the Working Girls at the nightclubs too. The strip clubs will always be there as a back up, if I don't succeed at getting a hottie for the lower prices that are now reported as possible. That's not the opinion of a shill either. Just a logical decision based on the facts on the ground. So please cut out the offensive name calling. It does a disservice to truth.

And by the way, I also like Sophia very much, and met with her recently on Sunday April 1, and She was great as usual, and I got bb BJ but it did cost more money.

Leela Is smokin' hot. I saw Her April 2 and 3. I wonder where she's gone to? Another member (ronaldinjo) also said he did not see her at club.

LJ

Alright, I was wrong to call you a shill LJ but your rating of Rio's girls seems a bit high. I've talked to the cutest ones in all 3 rooms, either they were a 9 for face, a 9 for body or a 9 for attitude but I haven't met any 9 overall to take out. Vlada would be the closest one to a 9 if it was not for her bad attitude. Again, I have not seen Katya and the mysterious Leela. BTW, can you provide a good description of Leela? I will ask the manager if she's still around. IMO, Best face: Martha, Best body: Vlada Best attitude: Sofia. Girls in nightclubs like Sky Bar and Dlux are as hot as the best looking girls in RIO, easy to talk to, fun to dance with but freebies are tough to bring home. So I understand why you love Rio so much, if you have money, it's a good alternative for a short stay in Kiev. Now I still think that there are better deals in town, freebies if you're good looking, mamba if you're lucky and 6s or 7s if you are horny.

[PedroToronja]

Saw 3 mamba girls yesterday. 2 were undoable, one of them fat. 1 was so so. 6-7 by Kiev standarts, send her home. Invited my beautiful queen Olya, she agreed 200$ for 5 hours. We dined and then to my place, wow, she was great, what a girl. I'm drained once more. Went to Rio at night (about 2-3 o clock) , poor lineup compared to previous night, a lot of unattractive girls. Stayed for 2 hours and than back home dreaming about my Olya. Mandarin is supposed to open wery soon, but I'm leaving very soon.

Olya is 23 year old, Taurus, looking for man up to 50 years old? If so, did she give you sex, or just erotic massage as she advertises? I go for the full monty, or else.

[Esvees]

Found a bunch of places listed here outside places like Rio that gets mentioned a lot:

http://striptease.ua/eng/

I'll be on my first trip to Kiev next week, just want a few pointers.

I red that the bill in a place like Paradise Cabaret can easily go sky-high as you're almost expected to spend $1000 or more. (champagne etc.)

What's the damage like in somewhere like Rio? Also, can you take the girls out later, is that an individual decision or is that usually not an option?

Thanks

[Muddy7]

I'm sending some of Joey posts to the cops in Kiev I don't think Rio is paying them enough

[LilJoey]

her name is starts with an n and number ends with 973. if you are interested i will pm you the number. dog breath and yellow teeth but a good teenage ass that i fucked twice when she visited me. she responded better after a glass of wine.

[message to admin deleted]

lj, lemming go to one spot / area. i and the ones of us that will avoid one club are rep001tering all over kiev. backfiring analogy? just relax man, and please leave it be. we are all entitled to have an opinion on a club and you do not have to take it personally if i do not agree with you. i asked if the frequency of bitchy attitude is not higher amongst the "good looking" strippers in rio, but never mind. i know that it is so in most other places, so no need to elaborate. just try to stay on topic if you do address my posts here. you only win loneliness by skewing things with 1000000 words, joey. the more enemies you make in your quest to promote something, the less trustworthy you will come across to be. i have no problems with your posts. i just do not agree. just chill and go where you want. over and out from me on that.

a strip bar is not even a fall back for me anywhere in the world. but i know many people here will never say anything negative about their favorite spots, for various reasons. blink. i am not a slim brad pit but there are still options everywhere in kiev. no need to always eat an an over priced mcdonalds. especially if you are not allowed to only lick on the packaging of the burger. but this is just barba's opinion that i share to create some balance here. (lj, please do not take it personally.)

for me is is also about how genuine a place is. i consider a strip club a totally in-genuine (is that a word?) place. if i visit a country, i want to be amongst people and a local and genuine culture, at least the moments i get a chance. if we look at a axis where hard core pros are far to the right and religious marriage girls are far to the left, i want to be around the middle. even if we tilt to the right, we are still within that cultures (read "many cultures") sponsor concept between men and women, and the females that will be in this environment will logically be less mentally corrupt than the ones far out on either side. i avoid the extremes in a normal distribution a statistician would say. illusion is the first of pleasures someone else said, and my illusion breaks within minutes of entering a strip club normally. it is simply a negative energy field for me and a total waste of my precious time unless i have some friends with me to talk to. this is not a continuations on the rio war. just my thoughts on my own modus operandi. no need to defend things (lj et al.)

pedrotoronja said it! guys, read up on the unbalance between women and men in ukraine, and then make your own conclusions to what you need to do to get laid. it was even an article in the inflight magazine of aerosvit. they mentioned that there was less men than women and that the amount of "marriageable men" where even less; hence making the dating sites a very good option for many females. i do not remember the numbers but i was surprised. i never saw that in an inflight magazine before.

barba.

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barba, as you obviously didn't read what i wrote to you, let me simplify it. you wrote a post saying essentially that you don't like hot girls who are bitchy. i saw no need to respond to that and didn't. then you asked me why i didn't respond. so i responded and told you that i agree and also don't like hotties who are bitchy. and i added that is what i do in the interview process. i weed out the bitchy girls. and one must do that in all venues where one mongers.

i am looking for a sweet gfe experience with a very pretty and sexy young girl for as reasonable a price as can be obtained within a reasonable amount of time in relation to the 3 or 4 nights of my visit to kiev.

if you are looking for the same thing, then we are on the same page. then we can discuss how best to achieve such a goal.

if you are looking for something else, then i'm not sure what you want.

i took no offense to anything you wrote.

lj