D. F. Escorts

[LuvMexicanas]

Peeling back all the layers of your thesis, a hooker is a hooker regardless of the smoke and mirrors, and I'm fine with chicas wanting to leave right after a session. In fact, I want them gone more than they want to be gone.

[Elvis 2008]

Now that you've sampled both the twitter way and SA way, what are your views on these channels? Which one is better and gave you more pleasure? Some insights would be helpful!

The difference between an escort and a sugar baby (SB) is that escorts are purely an exchange of sex for money while a sugar baby sugar daddy relationship usually includes sex for something of value (usually money but not always), but there is at a minimum of at least a friendship component to the relationship. Thing is the sugar baby and escort concepts vary in value from country to country.

In Mexico, I have had a hard time with SBs in the past. The women posting on seeking were escort types with an inflated sense of self-worth. The value of escorts than over SBs in Mexico was immense. After 8 days and many dates, I really only found one who met my criteria of someone who I enjoy spending time in and out of the bedroom with. In fact, the only reason I came to CDMX was that I could not go to Colombia.

What has changed now though is that Covid has hit and many of the best and most amazing women have become available. They are not the sad sack losers who cannot get a job, are hooked on drugs, and are bitter and blame men for their condition. They are amazing women who just lost their jobs from Covid.

So if you are a guy who is married and just wants or needs to taste strange, escorts are probably the way for you. For me, after a while, it was not satisfying to meet women, pay them, and see them wanting to run out of the room. Even when you are with one who wants to stay, and if she is escort enough, she will want to be paid by the hour and becomes frustrated when she does not get it. Some really believe the by the hour stuff is for their company and not sex.

It takes a special woman to be a SB then. She has to be strong enough to shrug off the prince charming fairy tale and do what needs to be done to survive and not fall into the trap of being a victim but lose herself and wind up a working girl. She is also going to have to withstand societal shaming because every time she is seen with an older man, everyone is going to think she is a working girl out for money. At the end of the day, she has to be able to stand and say, "Stop telling me what I should do. He makes me happy, and isn't that what is important, being with a man who makes me happy?

And most guys are not cut out to be Sugar daddies. A SB is someone you care about, someone you do not pay to leave. The most common question I get from guys is how much. That is an escort mentality. The idea is that you are going to take care of your SB and meet their needs, but while you take input from them, you decide what their needs are not them. It is easy to confuse needs and desires. Steve Jobs said it is easier to make money than to give it away. Giving money the wrong way can lead to dependence and resentment. You have to be strong enough to say no, deal with an often short term unhappy woman, and find a woman who knows that when you tell her no, it is in her best own interests that you did so.

On top of that, being a good sugar daddy means you need to be secure. Most people in society want to believe that the woman who is a 9 or 10 should be with the guy who is a 10. For the most part of my life, I believed it. Hell, we are trained to believe that. Every TV show and movie shows the attractive couple but think about it. What does a woman get being with a guy who is an Adonis? She looks cool. And? The notion is if the guy looks good he is successful in most other areas of his life. What I have noticed is the opposite. I shy away from Adonis type men in the business world because I have learned that they are male working girls expecting to be paid off for just being around versus doing the job at hand. The 10 women know that. They are in demand from the 10 men and one of my SBs after dating a 10 man said, "I will never go out with someone equally good looking to me again. " She was tired of making him look good, fending off the other women, and in the end, she asked, "What am I really getting out of this relationship?

How many times have you read that the women do not really want to be with you? They just want your money and really prefer people their own age. If you believe a hot woman wants to be with you, you are delusional right? I used to think that too, but I don't now. There are beautiful, young women who do want to spend time with me and not just for money. They call, email, and text me every day. I am helping out six women right now in Colombia and one in Brazil. Four of them have vocalized to me that they feel all alone right now, and the other three have at some time or another let me know they feel that way. I have said to those four, "You are not alone. You have me. " They may have just one-seventh of me, and society may tell them if they do not have a whole man, they should leave me, but the women then ask themselves, "isn't one seventh of him better than nothing?

I didn't accept when a woman said "You are the best lover I have ever had. ", but after I heard it for the fifth time, I did believe it. With me, common sense maneuvers seem to be uncommon, and my stamina has increased not decreased with age.

One Colombian woman was upset with me when I insisted on uncovered sex. We men are trained to think we are assholes for asking for that. Hell to some people, it is practically rape and most times I would have blown the woman off when she suggested I was an asshole for wanting it. However, I felt this woman was worth my time in setting her straight so I said to her, "Don't give me that strong woman, victim bullshit. You and I both know that there are a hundred women I could call right now who would fulfill my needs. I will be patient. I will wait if you are not comfortable, but I am not going to put up with shaming after all I have done for you. If you are not interested in fulfilling my needs, then I am not interested in fulfilling yours, and this is over. ".

I used to get pissed off about this: giving women money and then having to discipline them. Now I think it is a greater gift than even money. These women get to be disciplined by someone who is truly out for their own best interests. The best women know this and say, "Thank you so much for being patient with me when I was being such a *****" as happened with this girl.

Do you want a woman who sucks a great cock or do you want a woman who does the same thing but gets off on pleasing you? I like the SBs more but I do see escorts when I have a need for a sure thing.

The women really define if they are prostitutes not us. If a woman lets me know that she feels like a working girl, I turn it on them. Well, then show the world you are not like that. Some of them, the best ones, get it. One of my SBs insists on cooking for me, cleaning for me, and won't let me pack my own suitcase when I leave town. It doesn't take much for people to see then whether our relationship is based on sex for money or not, and it is really obvious to other women.

It is like dating. You will be stood up. You will spend money and not get a return on it, but you do it to find a special woman or women.

Is it worth it? Well, you will have to continue to read my adventures, but as a bit of foreshadowing, I think most people would say yes.

[LuvMexicanas]

I love that so many think Mexico and especially CDMX is dangerous and to be avoided. When idiots say that, I no longer argue. Why should I when I can simply let them be stupid? The fewer swinging dicks, the better in my mind.

[SonicBoom1]

Very well written report, with interesting tidbits thrown in.

I am beginning to think now that Mexico City is my favorite city in the world just for the walks: park after park, statue after statue, the architecture, and the decent climate and now there is not much smog......

Indeed! The city is fucking beautiful. I say that all time to folks back home but they just can't believe it. The minute they hear mexico city, they picture gunman running wild and kidnapping gringos for money. Unfortunate what media makes you beleive.

She doesn't get the benefits of being a long term sugar baby. Anyone not paying her upfront is trying to cheat her. Sigh.

Now that you've sampled both the twitter way and SA way, what are your views on these channels? Which one is better and gave you more pleasure? Some insights would be helpful!

[Elvis 2008]

So when watching Somebody Feed Phil, I kind of picked up on what he REALLY liked, and he really liked Panderia Rosetta in Roma. He bragged about the donuts and really liked the pink mole but that was not available at the bakery but across the way at the upscale restaurant I did not visit.

The walk to Rosetta's bakery was amazing. I am beginning to think now that Mexico City is my favorite city in the world just for the walks: park after park, statue after statue, the architecture, and the decent climate and now there is not much smog. My sinuses are not bleeding like they usually do when I come here.

Passing through a lovely park, I made my way to Rosetta. There was a line out the door, always a good sign, and I had no idea what I wanted when I got to the end of the line. I pointed to a Napoleon type pastry, two donuts, and an interesting glazed piece and the lady said, "Naranja?" and I was like "Si" because I didn't know the Spanish term for "whatever". All told the amazing pastries were like a whopping $5.

You know I really don't understand using GHB as a date rape drug when two Krispy Kreme glazed will crash a woman's blood sugar to the point that she is incapacitated. I bring that up because the Rosetta donuts melted in my mouth, and the texture, the silky flower, and the custard inside, God the custard, combined to make an incredible and satisfying versus incapacitating snack. It is what a donut should be.

But the glazed apple pie, OMFG, the glazed apple pie. We in the USA have lost our title. It is no longer as American as apple pie. It now is as Mexican as apple pie. Our country is done. It is over. This was the PERFECT desert. I can honestly say that I have never had perfect sex but I have had the perfect desert. Wow!

Just when I was feeling our country was going into a decline, I decided to go to a sex shop in Roma. I have gotten to like the disposable penis rings with the vibrator attached and the women like them as well. When with the Colombian lawyer, our combined IQs could not figure out how to get the piece of shit Mexican cock ring to work. The Trojan brand is great and easy, but I didn't see any available in Mexico. So in the sex shop, when I ask for the best of the bunch, I am told about an American branded silicon vibrator cock ring, and my pride returns. We may have lost the apple pie but damn it we know our cock ring vibrators. Yes, it was made in China but designed in America. USA! USA!

I was getting blown off by the seeking girls, and I turned to Mr. Mexico City, Juan Carter, for some advice. I tried to get a cheaper hotel room instead of paying the Barcelo guest fee and told JC about the hotel I booked, La Rosa. JC then told me the area I picked out was so dangerous that the women would probably not go there.

I had texted a twitter woman I was so in lust with named at natashadior. I asked JC about her, and he said that he didn't like doing random twitter girls, but JC looked at her pics and was like dayuuummm!! Sure enough, Natasha texts me back and says "La Rosa? What kind of woman do you think I am?" I wanted to say, "a working girl but I guess a classier one than I expected", but I still was hoping to get with her. No dice. Note to self: always, always consult Mr. Mexico City, JC.

JC makes suggestions but the well is dry. Finally, I hook up with Ashley Gold from Twitter. She was a nice Vennie, and she was 30 years old. I always hate it when guys say big girls are solid but not fat. Just say they are fat dammit! Well, Ashley was solid but not fat. No really!

Ashley was really nice: a good kisser, gave great head au natural and even could go DT. She was pretty tight, and she rode me pretty well, but she was not Natasha, and I didn't nut. What else can I say about her? She had a great personality. No really!

So yes, the food gods were on my side big time, but the sex gods seemed to be sticking out their tongue at me. And then at bebsita fitness returns my text. She suggests we head out to the Patriotismo hotel, and I have to say I really loved this crazy fucked up love hotel: the rooms have a place to get lap dances and some rooms have their own poles and Jacuzzis. Very nice!

Do you know how you always worry if a girl will look as good as her picture? Well, bebsita looked way better than her pictures. Everything was hard: my dick, her body, and her attitude. She wanted 3000 pesos an hour, and she was well worth it. Everything was covered, but it didn't matter. She attacked my dick like she attacked her bench press. OMG, this woman was incredible but sadly there was this Venezuelan hardness to her. But to be honest, I probably would have a hard attitude if my country turned out to be the shit hole Venezuela became.

Her face is not a 10 but her body, her sexual performance, and her fashion sense were all 10+s. This woman could seriously be mistaken for a Fortune 500 manager. She had amazing fucking presence. If I took her to dinner, the only men who wouldn't be staring at her would be gay. Our first round was great, efficient but cold.

I ask her to stay one more hour, and I talk about the sugar baby thing, get her talking about her dreams, her family, and she melts a little. I tell her we should go to Cancun get to know each other. "How much for 2 days?, I ask. She says 40,000, and I say "Bolivars? And the hardness returns. "No pesos, and you get to have this body all you want for 2 days. " Fuuuuck me!

She then lightens up and says, "I could do 30,000", and I just can't. The price is just too damned high. Still, we go at it again. This time she rides me reverse cowgirl and she is using my dick like a squat device. Fuck is she good!! The hardness in her is gone, but I am as erect as ever. She then screams "Uh, uh, uhhh, UHHHHH! And she explodes an orgasm, and I have mine at the same time. She then reaches back, grabs my neck, and cuddles me close.

I ask her if she goes somewhere distant in her mind when having sex with a client, and she tells me that she does. I can tell I opened her up emotionally a crack, and she showed me her warmth. I ask her how often she cums when she is with a client, and she says "like never". I then joke, "You know with the new feminist sex rules, if I make you cum, you have to pay me! It is only fair. " I expect the hardness to come back, but there is a warm smile and a hearty laugh, but there is no backing down on the price. She doesn't get the benefits of being a long term sugar baby. Anyone not paying her upfront is trying to cheat her. Sigh.

What I have noticed is by far the best looking women in Mexico are Colombian and Venezuelan, and the typical Mexican is hardworking, family oriented, but she also has small boobs, a bit of a gut, and a big ass, a tight ass but a big one. I think to myself, "Damn, I am never going to find a woman with a hard body like this here again in Mexico City. This isn't Medellin or Sao Paulo. It is all downhill from here", but a funny thing always seems to happen when you say you reached the top with a woman. Unlike with the apple pie, there is always better.

[SonicBoom1]

Yes, this is an actual report. This is not a post about the virus, travel, or the times that were but an actual report about sex in the here and now. Besides sex, there are two other things to do in Mexico City now, and I will cover those as well: walking (or biking) and eating. So this report covers where I went, what I ate, and who I sucked and fucked.

Great report, thanks for sharing!

[Elvis 2008]

Yes, this is an actual report. This is not a post about the virus, travel, or the times that were but an actual report about sex in the here and now. Besides sex, there are two other things to do in Mexico City now, and I will cover those as well: walking (or biking) and eating. So this report covers where I went, what I ate, and who I sucked and fucked.

The choice of food was inspired by the Netflix show, "Somebody feed Phil", and I went to all the places that I found interesting that he liked. I remembered when I traveled to Europe, and I pigged out that I didn't gain any weight because I walked everywhere, so that was my rule: pig out but walk.

I had previously stayed at the Barcelo Refroma and did this time, and I sort of recommend it. They charge a $50 guest fee if you go over having one guest. They also have an amazing gym, pool, and spa the chicas love, but they were closed due to Covid. What I found is that I could sneak women up without paying if they fit in and the hotel was crowded in the past, but not now when the hotel is deserted and certainly not when the women dressed like working girls. The guest fee may be Covid related. Or not.

Day 1 Churros, Caliente chocolate, and dos abrigados.

Do you ever get hard just by looking at a pic? That was what Gala06 on seeking.com did to me. That pose, that body, that ass and I was in lust with this woman. It turns out she was a lawyer and that lawyers don't get paid very much in Mexico about $1000 a month, so to paraphrase Yakov Smirnov, "In America, lawyer fucks you. In Mexico, you fuck lawyer. ".

I was really surprised Gala responded as quickly as she did. She cautioned me that her body was not what it once was, but it was damned close. She was five foot three, had a nice smile, humble and great personality, and let me have her bare. She would fuck or suck me as often as I wanted, and we went at it quite a bit that first day, and all for $200. So if she is all that, why am I giving her away? Why not keep this one to myself? I think it was just her personality that was so submissive. She would not say no and perform all that I wanted from her, but her skills were not that great. She was tight, fun, intelligent, and obedient, but she didn't have IT.

The weird thing is that she was so kind and obedient that I would not mind her working for me. I do wonder though if I tied her up, choked and spanked her (something I would think that she would be open to), that animal within would come out. The funny thing is that I would describe this Latin babe as lacking passion. Still, if you want a gorgeous, very sweet, intelligent slave that you can go at with no covers for $200 or so a day, Gala is the gal for you. I can't believe I am throwing her back into the general pool, but I am.

Phil of that TV show somebody feeds Phil was thrilled about a few of the places to eat, and I wanted to go to the home of Churros, El Moro, that he did. It turns out the original location was busy but the one I saw in Polanco was not so busy. There was a nice sized line, and I got the order of 4 churros and the Spanish hot Chocolate. The hot chocolate was the consistency of a milk shake. Phil dunked his churro into the hot chocolate and so did I. The irony is that I found the hot chocolate orgasmic but the churros were kind of plain. But the longer I set the Churros out, the better and better they became, and then they lived up to the hype. That crunch, that sweetness, that cinnamon, man were they good.

I had no idea that Gala was a lawyer and that night I met A Dana from SA. Well, it is more like I wound up with A Dana. Do you ever have a time where you cannot find any woman and then two show up AT THE EXACT SAME TIME? Well, Dani A got to my hotel five minutes before Twitter babe Violet Blum. I chose Dani A because she was there first, did not look like a working girl like VB did, and Dani was not into the threesome thing. Also, Violet looked to put on some weight from her twitter photos. I gave VB 100,000 pesos and told her that I was not interested.

So Dani A is also a lawyer, and she was originally from Colombia. She would kiss and did oral sans latex, but the bareback thing was not on the table. She was compliant and would do anything to please me. Once more, I enjoyed talking to her, she was nice and smart, and she may have had a nicer body than Gala, but the oral was not that great, and again, compliance was her best feature. I kind of wish we had lawyers like this in the United States. I tell them, "Hey, I want you to suck my dick for 30 minutes", and I swear both these women would. Talk about your dictation. In the USA sex prison, if you tried that, I think a female lawyer could legally cut off your dick. "he was armed and dangerous, your honor, and I feared for my life. It was self defense I swear". Sigh.

Still Dani A was stunning, another one who was at least a 9. She was very nice, didn't speak English like Gala did though, and she wanted a little more $350 and considering how much time I spent with her was worth it. Again, I am throwing this one back in the general pool. All in all, the first day was satisfying but not awe inspiring. I wanted the food and the women to blow me away (and while I was blown many, many times LOL), I was not blown away.

Dinner was room service Hawaiian Pizza via Barcelo room service, but was like much of the day, satisfying but not awesome.

[Chris Q Larsen]

I can give you a limited bit of information here. I'm currently experimenting with sugar baby types on Tinder, just to see what comes of it. First of all, they are LEGION on Tinder. Most of them are selling pictures of their feet, hands and clavicles (yep, you read that right). But plenty of them have agreed on in-person activities as well -- granted, I'm not down there yet (I go July 4th) and they're agreeing over whatsapp, so none of these deals are sealed. However, I copy and paste this same paragraph (in Spanish, of course) -- "Let's say you come over and we have sex, then we go to dinner, go for drinks, then we come back to my place and have sex a couple more times in the night, then in the morning we got to breakfast, and maybe come back to the apartment for sex one last time, and then you head home. What kind of donation do you think is worth it for you?" (Yes, that's an absurd amount of sex but I'd rather have a quote on more than less! Almost every one of them says, "Well, I don't know, you tell me, what do you propose?" I never propose anything. They either propose or I move on. One girl said US $150 -- extremely pretty girl, 23 years old. If that comes through, it will be a steal. However, time will tell.

Take that for what it's worth, amigos!

Quick question.

What is the average rate per date with a girl from SA or Tinder (semi-pro or non-pro)? I have been quoted 3500 to 5000 MXN for a short-term date, 3-4 hrs long (not TLN). Is this the norm? I guess a typical date would be 2 HR lunch / dinner / drinks and 2 hrs in bed. I don't mind spending extra $ for a hot chica, but don't want to overpay or be the guy who overpays and inflates the market. I've never had experience with SA, but trying to line up a couple of dates from Tinder.

[AldousM]

How much is the going rate with SA girl nowadays?

I just started in SA last week, and I've gotten ok's anywhere from 1500 for a dinner / date romp in a motel (no exact time given) to 2500 straight to the motel two hours on the low end.

I've also been asked for 4000 dates with no sex guaranteed, or guaranteed but no specific time given for the motel hours. 3500-4500 for date with two hours guarantee.

The most interesting offers I've seen are monthly based. Once a week or twice a week from anything between 5000 to 10000.

I've got line up for next month a straight to motel (29) seemed a bit desperate for 2500. A very cute very snobby, from Polanco dinner date with motel after for 3500. And a just dinner, no extra money first meet with a 21 year old cutie. The last two are absolutely dependent on bars and restaurants at higher end areas opening for business in July.

Spanish is 100% needed, you might get away with the help of google translate, but transactions I've found are not as straight forward, most of the girls want to talk and get to know you first. This might be skipped by offering more money, I'm not sure. I've tried getting them to name their price, but most seem reticent and wait to see how much you can offer. Some have been offended by 1500 and have immediately blocked me. I don't particularly like lowballing, but I hate overpaying so there's some I feel I have offered 2500 that might have gone for 1500.

[Forever18]

I'm coming in late to the Seeking Arrangement thread but I confirm it works. SA is not a fast way to hookup but its great for finding a girl one who's also looking for something regular. My last SA was a coed who went home at the end of the semester and I've had zero luck with schools closed now. I'm several hours away from CDMX and the mongering scene is completely dead here. Thanks to reports from Stuzoonyc and AldousM I think it might be safe to plan a visit to the big city.

MiamiBoy1 if you can't find any action on Twitter in three weeks in CDMX you're doing something really wrong. There's been times I crapped out like the time three highly recommended ladies Ingrid Jassan, Magaly, and Lily all flaked after confirming the date but that was a weekend and I was only there one night before flying out. Mexican escorts are flaky as hell all us mongers know there's a only a 50/50 chance a girl will show unless you've been with her before.

You need to spring for 25 bucks to get a membership here. It'll pay for itself many time over!

Back in 2018 I wrote up a long Twitter howto then fucked up by posting it in Classifieds rather than here where it belongs. I've updated it a little and hope I don't get in trouble with the admins if I post it again in the right place.

How much is the going rate with SA girl nowadays?

[DramaFree11]

I was in Guadalajara at the time of the lockdown, and I loved it. I stayed at FCH in a great suite paying $30 a night and saw three escorts. They ranged from good to great and wee much cheaper than Mexico City.

With regards to SA and SBs, the only city I have had luck is CDMX. Right now, I have three amazing SB types there that I truly enjoy, and I met a Venezuelan, a bonafide 10 model, but she wanted $400 for an hour, and I passed.

I agree. I have been to Monterrey twice now since the lockdown ended and have been very, very disappointed in it. Both it and Tijuana are too close to the border, and you get American prices and American attitudes, and Cancun may be even worse than those two.

Sorry, I have to totally disagree, MTY is great for girls, but I am paying between $100-200 for 3 hour or the night. I have had great success, very beautiful, smart and fun ladies. Food was better in GDL, but for girls MTY is way better and very few sex tourists. MTY is not cheap, but prices are reasonable.

[MiamiBoy1]

Quick question.

What is the average rate per date with a girl from SA or Tinder (semi-pro or non-pro)? I have been quoted 3500 to 5000 MXN for a short-term date, 3-4 hrs long (not TLN). Is this the norm? I guess a typical date would be 2 HR lunch / dinner / drinks and 2 hrs in bed. I don't mind spending extra $ for a hot chica, but don't want to overpay or be the guy who overpays and inflates the market. I've never had experience with SA, but trying to line up a couple of dates from Tinder.

[LuvMexicanas]

I was in Guadalajara at the time of the lockdown, and I loved it. I stayed at FCH in a great suite paying $30 a night and saw three escorts. They ranged from good to great and wee much cheaper than Mexico City.

With regards to SA and SBs, the only city I have had luck is CDMX. Right now, I have three amazing SB types there that I truly enjoy, and I met a Venezuelan, a bonafide 10 model, but she wanted $400 for an hour, and I passed.

I agree. I have been to Monterrey twice now since the lockdown ended and have been very, very disappointed in it. Both it and Tijuana are too close to the border, and you get American prices and American attitudes, and Cancun may be even worse than those two.

Tijuana is what you make it. It's as much YMMV as anywhere I've ever been. You can make your dreams come true or create a living nightmare. How it turns out is up to you.

[Elvis 2008]

I think the best city overall for the hobby itself is Guadalajara. It has all that you mention above. It is also an interesting tourist destination with great food, shopping and cultural activities.

I was in Guadalajara at the time of the lockdown, and I loved it. I stayed at FCH in a great suite paying $30 a night and saw three escorts. They ranged from good to great and wee much cheaper than Mexico City.

With regards to SA and SBs, the only city I have had luck is CDMX. Right now, I have three amazing SB types there that I truly enjoy, and I met a Venezuelan, a bonafide 10 model, but she wanted $400 for an hour, and I passed.

Tijuana and Monterrey run far behind in my estimation. They have hobby activities but I don't especially enjoy those towns.

I agree. I have been to Monterrey twice now since the lockdown ended and have been very, very disappointed in it. Both it and Tijuana are too close to the border, and you get American prices and American attitudes, and Cancun may be even worse than those two.

[Juan Carter]

Guy, I've been to Df but never mongered there.

Quick one for starters and then I WILL RTFF.

What's the best this city has to offer in terms of escorts v. Private houses v massage parlors v twitter v cupid v facebook v anything else?

Every city seems to specialize and offer more in one or more of these categories.

How about DF?

Thanks!

I read your question too quickly. The best CDMX offers is hundreds of independent escorts. There are also hundreds of streetwalkers but the best bang for the buck is with escorts. Otherwise, CDMX is not a good hobby destination. Prostitution is legal but it is illegal to profit from the earnings of a prostitute so the houses, massage parlors and strip clubs with on site services have mostly closed. Yeah, RTFF then ask for clarification here or message me.