FKK Dietzenbach

[Neurosynth]

Indeed, that is the whole issue, and also how it works in real now in many German Clubs (as I wrote here: http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...=1#post2060040). Better stop speculation how it could / should / might be, and just see how the new law effects things. Pity but true already after 2 weeks.

True, nothing can beat empirical evidence. I'm hearing from guys still getting AO at Dietzenbach w / o any problem.

[Neurosynth]

The problem (or not depending on your perspective) is that 99% of people in Germany are good citizens. They can pump gas and actually be trusted to pay after they fill up. Can you imagine if it was like that in the USA? People would be stealing gas left and right. Plus I have never seen anyone litter in Germany, and most people follow the law to the best they can. So probably a lot of girls will just be following it just because regardless of the unenforceability.

Maybe. But how many of the girls at FKK's are German? At Dietzenbach virtually all of the girls are Romanian, and they don't magically change cultural values when they cross the border.

[Maxime]

I don't think anyone disagrees with the main point you are making, and have made many times. Nobody expects the law to be easily enforced.

Similarly no one seriously expects the clubs or girls to bring in the authorities: that is a straw man argument

The point which you have not discussed is that the main FKK clubs do not want to be the target of action by the authorities for any reason, so they are therefore keen on ensuring that the girls are seen to obey the law, and that the clubs are seen to be trying to obey the law. If a club is seen to be openly encouraging illegal actions like BBBJ then the authorities have an extra opportunity to raid them.

Reporting here and in other forums without regard to this is, in my opinion, likely to speed the demise of BBBJ. It's not a question of censorship or freedom of speech, more a question of what is pragmatic.

Indeed, that is the whole issue, and also how it works in real now in many German Clubs (as I wrote here: http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...=1#post2060040). Better stop speculation how it could / should / might be, and just see how the new law effects things. Pity but true already after 2 weeks.

[Optimist]

Elsewhere in a longer post I explained why this law is unenforcible. The short version is that there is no scenario where the cops can get involved based on something stronger than he-said-she-said. And with second languages involved at that. In fact there is no incentive for the operators or girls to get the cops involved, and the notion they will come bursting through the doors, or use nude policewomen, is at most a bizarre fantasy.

What an unenforcible law like this depends on is irrational fear. Those fears will soon dampen. Open discussion is a good way to make that happen faster.

I don't think anyone disagrees with the main point you are making, and have made many times. Nobody expects the law to be easily enforced.

Similarly no one seriously expects the clubs or girls to bring in the authorities: that is a straw man argument

The point which you have not discussed is that the main FKK clubs do not want to be the target of action by the authorities for any reason, so they are therefore keen on ensuring that the girls are seen to obey the law, and that the clubs are seen to be trying to obey the law. If a club is seen to be openly encouraging illegal actions like BBBJ then the authorities have an extra opportunity to raid them.

Reporting here and in other forums without regard to this is, in my opinion, likely to speed the demise of BBBJ. It's not a question of censorship or freedom of speech, more a question of what is pragmatic.

[ExpatLover]

Dana said something to me which made me chuckle when I was there a few weeks ago.

I went to lick her brown hole in the room and she stopped me and said "I don't allow it", when I asked her why she replied "because you are licking every girls ass everyday".

I laughed and explained I wished that was the case but sometimes months pass between me licking arses. She didn't seem to believe me LOL.

What is the pleasure to lick the ass of a prostitute? I hope she paid for it.

[Wanking]

Dana said something to me which made me chuckle when I was there a few weeks ago.

I went to lick her brown hole in the room and she stopped me and said "I don't allow it", when I asked her why she replied "because you are licking every girls ass everyday".

I laughed and explained I wished that was the case but sometimes months pass between me licking arses. She didn't seem to believe me LOL.

[Wanking]

I suspect that the scenario in the club is just the same as in June. The girls had their own system in place for dealing with the new law and I bet its just the same there now.

[DrPoon]

The problem (or not depending on your perspective) is that 99% of people in Germany are good citizens. They can pump gas and actually be trusted to pay after they fill up. Can you imagine if it was like that in the USA? People would be stealing gas left and right. Plus I have never seen anyone litter in Germany, and most people follow the law to the best they can. So probably a lot of girls will just be following it just because regardless of the unenforceability.

Elsewhere in a longer post I explained why this law is unenforcible. The short version is that there is no scenario where the cops can get involved based on something stronger than he-said-she-said. And with second languages involved at that. In fact there is no incentive for the operators or girls to get the cops involved, and the notion they will come bursting through the doors, or use nude policewomen, is at most a bizarre fantasy.

What an unenforcible law like this depends on is irrational fear. Those fears will soon dampen. Open discussion is a good way to make that happen faster.

[Neurosynth]

Elsewhere in a longer post I explained why this law is unenforcible. The short version is that there is no scenario where the cops can get involved based on something stronger than he-said-she-said. And with second languages involved at that. In fact there is no incentive for the operators or girls to get the cops involved, and the notion they will come bursting through the doors, or use nude policewomen, is at most a bizarre fantasy.

What an unenforcible law like this depends on is irrational fear. Those fears will soon dampen. Open discussion is a good way to make that happen faster.

[Hessen Bub]

And very likely the distinction between BBBJ and BBFS will go away from most providers' mind; and if any new girl offers BBBJ, will also offer full AO as both are the similar thing and not legal from her point of view, in all FKKs, not just smaller clubs.

Never ever.

HB.

[ExpatLover]

Yup. And very likely the distinction between BBBJ and BBFS will go away from most providers' mind; and if any new girl offers BBBJ, will also offer full AO as both are the similar thing and not legal from her point of view, in all FKKs, not just smaller clubs. This maybe a complete speculation, only time will tell; but that's the case for the WGs who provide anything BB in the countries where P6 itself is illegal. Same with the pornstars everywhere.

We shall see. The clever ones will prevail.

All the girls that I know well are still refusing BBBJ with the unknown client, for the regulars it is case by case.

[BigBuddy69]

Yup. And very likely the distinction between BBBJ and BBFS will go away from most providers' mind; and if any new girl offers BBBJ, will also offer full AO as both are the similar thing and not legal from her point of view, in all FKKs, not just smaller clubs. This maybe a complete speculation, only time will tell; but that's the case for the WGs who provide anything BB in the countries where P6 itself is illegal. Same with the pornstars everywhere.

We shall see. The clever ones will prevail.

I really doubt it. It's really easy to catch STD with unprotected Intercourse, not so easy with oral sex and I think most of the girls know it.

[Member #4585]

Not so clever if every one saw through the obvious ruse of deliberately planting a false report straightaway.

The only bit I believed from that account was where he said that the German guy left on his own without going with a girl after 60 minutes of extreme boredom. Unfortunately that happens on a frequent basis here.

Very true. I saw one man leave the club after 15 minutes when Anna refused him. He looked very bored and out of place.

Further, feels like a false report. The club is full of Germans.

[Gino02]

Those are the clever ones. Not mentioning BB anymore on a public board. And then there's the other ones.

HB.

Yup. And very likely the distinction between BBBJ and BBFS will go away from most providers' mind; and if any new girl offers BBBJ, will also offer full AO as both are the similar thing and not legal from her point of view, in all FKKs, not just smaller clubs. This maybe a complete speculation, only time will tell; but that's the case for the WGs who provide anything BB in the countries where P6 itself is illegal. Same with the pornstars everywhere.

We shall see. The clever ones will prevail.

[Myrrh]

Those are the clever ones. Not mentioning BB anymore on a public board.

Not so clever if every one saw through the obvious ruse of deliberately planting a false report straightaway.

The only bit I believed from that account was where he said that the German guy left on his own without going with a girl after 60 minutes of extreme boredom. Unfortunately that happens on a frequent basis here.