FKK Arabella / Villa Venus / Sauna Grimberg - NRW AO Clubs

[Jymondor]

Which club. VV, Arabella or Grimberg?

I am guessing VV?

Sorry. Villa Venus of course.

[Myrrh]

BTW lineup was worse than my last visit in June. Did two sessions and left. First room with very new Bulgarian girl. Absolutely no neither German nor English. Most of Bulgarian girls understand basic words in Russian, so I can communicate. This one didn't even try to understand. But very nice young body. Zero skills in the room, so I used her as a inflatable doll. Second session with Bianca as good as usually.

Which club. VV, Arabella or Grimberg?

I am guessing VV?

[Jymondor]

It is different each my visit. Now they retorned to their old scheme and you have to choose upfront:

1 session = 60€

2 sessions = 90€

3 sessions = 110€

If you pay 90€ for two sessions third session will cost 60€.

BTW lineup was worse than my last visit in June. Did two sessions and left. First room with very new Bulgarian girl. Absolutely no neither German nor English. Most of Bulgarian girls understand basic words in Russian, so I can communicate. This one didn't even try to understand. But very nice young body. Zero skills in the room, so I used her as a inflatable doll. Second session with Bianca as good as usually.

[EastGoing]

The problem with Angus was that his site IS in english!

I know. The joke was that the the forum simply couldn't afford to lose another top member, regardless of the reason. And that was supposed to be me (not HB or you or others). :-)

[SwingerLover]

The site couldn't afford to lose other top members after Angus Magee!

The problem with Angus was that his site IS in english!

[EastGoing]

Hello, EG! I just had gotten around to finally read the reports about your last trip. Keep up the good work!

I received a message from Jackson on this matter a while back: You are not allowed to post links to other fora or blogs which are in ENGLISH! If it's in another language, which your use of Google translate suggests, then it's no problem.

Thanks for the patience and for the appreciation, to you and to the other fellas. Next month I'm planning to go back in NRW, the culprit always returns to the crime scene!

The forum was www.freiercafe.com (or de?). Thanks for explaining about Jackson's answer. I recently had asked in Oase thread to HB about posting other forums names because he had mentioned a few, he had answered with "IMHO" when saying that foreign forums can be mentioned. The site couldn't afford to lose other top members after Angus Magee!

[SwingerLover]

Hello, EG! I just had gotten around to finally read the reports about your last trip. Keep up the good work!

Today I bothered to google translate the reports from the other forum (which I think I'm not allowed to mention)

I received a message from Jackson on this matter a while back: You are not allowed to post links to other fora or blogs which are in ENGLISH! If it's in another language, which your use of Google translate suggests, then it's no problem.

[Hessen Bub]

[Jackson: Just one more type of club to add to your growing list which already includes partytreff, FKK, sauna, pauschal, brothel, etc. ]

No! Red carpet clubs are just regular FKK clubs. Some with BB openly advertised, others without. No need for another useless category.

HB

[Myrrh]

Today I bothered to google translate the reports from the other forum (which I think I'm not allowed to mention) that I had shown her, yes, unbelievable and stupid, but I never did. Since none of the about 330 000 members of this board could go there and / or bother to report in these days, I genially decided to see what those posters were saying.

Well there may well have been several recent reports which you may not have come across because reports about Arabella are spread across many different sub-forums.

There are several reports in:

'Bareback AO (Alles Ohne). Flat Rate Clubs, Parties and Events' in 'Germany. AO Clubs'

'Bochum' in 'Germany' thread (because Arabella happens to be in Bochum)

Also of course reports in this thread, 'Fkk Arabella / Villa Venus / Sauna Grimberg. NRW AO Clubs' in 'Germany-FKK clubs'

Then of course there is:

'Red-Carpet Clubs' in 'Germany-FKK' clubs (because Arabella is a member of that unique small group of clubs that are known as red carpet clubs as the clubs essentially have red carpets inside (doh!). Although there some other aspects like these clubs are considered to provide 'traditional' standards of service).

[Jackson: Just one more type of club to add to your growing list which already includes partytreff, FKK, sauna, pauschal, brothel, etc. ]

And probably some reports in 'other FKK clubs' in 'Germany-FKK clubs' because Arabella is an FKK club which does not have it's own individual thread like many other FKK's.

I know, it's a mess! And I despair.

BTW, here's a link to my own report of about a year ago which I stuck in the 'Bareback-AO- (Alles-Ohne). Flat-Rate-Clubs-Parties-and-Events'

http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...=1#post1334787

[Jimmy Boy 99]

Jimmy Boy - maybe it is wise for EG not to foster the illusion that a girl is not a working girl?. I have often reminded girls very bluntly of the business relationship in order to try to break down any undue closeness. Unfortunately it does not work. I suspect Sabrina has her own internal drivers which lead her to behave as she did - rational reasons are often irrelevant. usually it is more a question of their emotional history.

I don't disagree, as I almost always tell the girl, smilingly, especially the first time I am with her, that it's just business, usually in the context of me telling her not to do fake moans as that will not make me come any faster but rather have the opposite effect. It was, perhaps, though an inopportune time, place, and manner for EastGoing to do it.

[EastGoing]

Today I bothered to google translate the reports from the other forum (which I think I'm not allowed to mention) that I had shown her, yes, unbelievable and stupid, but I never did. Since none of the about 330 000 members of this board could go there and / or bother to report in these days, I genially decided to see what those posters were saying.

Well, apart from kissmarking intentions with a very little result and some nice talks about possible further meetings, the rest of the service I got seems not to be anything too personal, being available to other 2 punters (out of 2 posters) just on the day after our 2nd meeting, inspite of declarations like "I can refuse customers" or "I don't / didn't do this with others", which anyway, being an AO provider, doesn't exclude those many things. I copy and paste some highlights with a good or reasonable translation:

Punter 1 :

"This time she enjoyed it thoroughly, but wanted to turn away before she came. But since I had her legs nice to the touch and that she could not she let herself go completely and was shaking all over my body as she came. Then even more extensively missionary and doggy style. From behind, it holds great contrast and circling her pelvis, so that what was going on had to come deep inside her. And then, surprise, no clean quickly and cuddle from the shower but only once and relax. Has the go out of the room actually still thanks for the leak."

Punter 2:

"We have spoiled us as a couple in love with each other and had a very nice time. An important evaluation factor for me is always when there were "perceived" two hours. By Sabrina there were no announcements that now is the end, we still snuggled up nice after a great final and are just slowly back to reality";

"This little bunny has just unpacked everything on the sofa, knelt between my legs and blown, as there would be no tomorrow. The eye contact is great. You sink while she blows, literally in her jet-black eyes" then "The Second fairness bonus they receive for their honesty in advance. She said: In the room no fingers in the pussy and no anal. If that's ok, we go off if you do not agree, then you're free now, no problems."

Ok, we discussed and she showed me some "personal matters" of her, but at this point I wouldn't be surprised to know that other punters got personal contacts etc.

I apologize again for filling the thread with bullshit out of stupid behaviours of a childish 42 years old monger and a moody 19 years old AO provider. As already said, not only by me, this establishment provides great service, that added to being AO possible may cause misunderstandings or exaggerations in perceiving what you are given, especially when comparing to "normal" sessions, where you are not given that great service and you play covered. And bearing in mind that most of girlfriends and wives don't even get close to what we can get in these clubs, at least as far as I know from personal experience (apart from one) and discuss about with people I know, females included! For me, AO and DFK happened with girlfriends, not with providers (not because I'm too romantic but because of diseases fears and disgust towards probable sperm leftovers not mine).

There are a couple of guys in Artemis thread facing "doubts" like me, actually at more "advanced" stages, and the other posters are discouraging them from getting involved into troubles.

Tjohoo, whatever happens, the mistake is always of the man, to be blamed even more for falling (or risking to) after a teenie, in my case an AO at less than 1 euro / minute provider.

Myrrh, you can't imagine how much I appreciate (and share) what you express in your posts, and not just your recent ones about the ongoing soap opera built on clouds. You greatly point out facts, plain real bare truth, maybe with some cynicism, but always undisputable right things, concepts and facts. Normally I'm like you, I share and at times even preach all you say, but sometimes one gets involved (and / or fooled) by some inexplicable stupid pointless things and gets lost inspite of evidence or evident impossibility to get or change or get along with certain hopeless irresolvable matters.

In the specific case, what was out of place was the quality, not the service, of the girls. Those prices and services might make sense with the unfuckable, some really utterly unfuckable, providers I saw in VV. Angelique's chicks cost more, but are much better than VV. But those I saw, and especially those I sessioned with, in Arabella, are there inexplicably, they could absolutely stand in a "normal" FKK, even a high level one, especially my bloody "honey".

As I said in my first post, I couldn't believe my eyes when I wandered around, I was expecting the same or less than VV, instead I was in trouble in choosing! Ok, no real stunners but worth much much more than what is charged. They are not at all "the lowest of the low", nor "the bottom of the food chain", I've seen muuuuch worse in my career. I don't know if and what lays behind them, which desperation, drug addiction, blackmails, diseases, extortions, but those girls shouldn't even walk by there! The mentioned Gaby has a husband and a small child! She's reasonably pretty and surely fuckable, why she does AO, and for that price? Sabrina asked me if I knew that AO is a dangerous practice, I was astonished! I asked why she did it if she knew that, she answered she's alone and she can do what she wants, she just doesn't care! A fucking great beautiful superb 19 years old smart intelligent girl capable of speaking well (mine pratically perfectly) at least 3 other languages (read in the other forum) on top of her own!

Guys, by now I must have lost some reputation and credibility, but believe me, I'm very picky, which is why I pay. I'd never be happy with an average or less than average girl, unless circumstances really force me. In VV I couldn't fuck Alice, a tall slim girl with an ok (if not pretty) face, because of her falling drained boobs, I could have fucked her from behind not to see them, but still I didn't feel like, that's why I normally get much more oral sex than intercourses. I saw some 15 girls in Arabella, chose 4 among the best looking ones but could have still chosen others, and not among the "less worse" as I did in VV.

I'm trying to add the pics of Carmen to my post, if I succeed, given my impairment with computer stuff, I'll be proud! I got them from that other forum with reports of VV, where she obviously worked before, like Sabrina and probably other ones, therefore justifying the changes of likings in reports. In the same way, pics of last year show that many girls from Arabella moved to VV, like Bianca.

If you can see the pics, be informed that Carmen was the less fuckable of the 4, and not by little, and that she was at level with other ones.

[Tjohoo]

Tjohoo.

It seems to me that you want to "defend","believe" and "justify" her, you are right that we are all humans, but we don't know if and how sincere she was, and "unfortunately" it wouldn't make any difference. As Optimist understood, anyway we wouldn't end up getting married, so maybe we are keeping pointlessly alive this soap-opera, which might even be an inflated misunderstanding, a stupid illusion, a missed fishing, an exaggerated imagination's fruit, etc.

Hello East Going!

No I don't want to justify that type of behavior. But when we meet a teenager in a club we can't expect them to react, or act, in any other way then other teenagers do. So what I am trying to say to you is, don't read to much into her behavior and therefore don't judge her to hard.

It's easier said then done. I know!

T

[Myrrh]

In terms of what I've gleaned (from the 25% increase to the thread volume in the last few days alone) :

Lesson 1

You cannot rely on past reports with respect to the optical quality of the women at these AO clubs in NRW and elsewhere. YMMV (Your mileage may vary). So one man's tender loins may well be another man's mutton rough cuts.

Also, the girls tend to come and go with new girls joining frequently and leaving just as quickly. Some may move between clubs and back again even in the same week. Trends in better looking women residing at one club can quickly go into reverse.

So it may be best to do what Dreams suggest and choose some clubs that are relatively close to each other so that you can cut and run if there is a bad lineup at a particular club on a given day. Rather than find that you are stuck with a bad lot because the nearest other venue is half a day's commuting time away. Don't end up ruining your day.

Lesson 2

Surprisingly there may be some (fake) GFE to be had in these bargain basement 'spunk and go' places even though these girls are supposed to be the lowest of the low, bottom feeders in the food chain, who have little choice other than to allow their bodies to be inseminated for 2 to 3 ten euro notes a time.

The GFE works for the girls as well as the guys. These girls lead incredibly boring lives been cooped up inside the gloomy four walls all day. A spot of melodrama breaks up the monotony.

Also the more tricks these girls turn then the more money they make. Ergo, if they can get repeat business from the same guy then it is worth angling for and probably a little less soul destroying than watching a continually revolving door of point and squirt cum dumpsters.

Women have to rely on emotional mind games because they can't control men physically. So make men feel guilty works. This doesn't change just because they have become ho's.

If they can keep guys dangling on the end of their dicks then that means they are free to go off and turn some bigger sausages on the griddle before returning. Using your dick like some sort of joystick, controlling you like a computer game.

The term 'Money no. 1' translates for ho's in any language.

You should work by your own mantra. Try,

'Fuck and Forget'

'You can never miss the girl, you will only lose your turn'.

Wasn't it Mike Tyson who once said 'I'll fuck you till you love me, bi@tch'? Well you are likely to run out of money long before that happens.

she played me like a muppet

Ha, ha. It was worth wading through all of the recent gumph just for that one comment alone.

[Optimist]

Apologies. My last post was wrecked by the automatic grammar (mis) correction tool of this forum.

EG. Maybe I'll try Sabrina next time as you suggest

[EastGoing]

Optimist,

I knew my next post in this thread wasn't going to be a field report, thanks for your appreciation, normally I'm not optimist at all and try to stay down-to-earth, often even too much!

JimmyBoy,

That's the most likely explaination. In those nearly 3 hours she actually went to room once or twice, she spent nearly one hour couching with the 140kgs guy and she sat a good 45mins in the garden with other 2-3 girls and 2-3 50+old guys, always totally ignoring me, at times compassionated by her colleagues, directly and among them. Maybe she meant to show me that she could stay as long as she liked with customers. About "enjoying the moment a little longer", we were at about 45 mins, we overenjoyed the time we were allowed with a wide overtime, I just wanted to avoid trouble to me (90 euros more) and to her, fearing she would be told off for excessive allowance and unfair competition towards other girls. Her reassurances were so insisted and so "sure" that probably I just missed a good gift, but, again, if we had stayed longer (or met later) we would have ended up talking about our children, since we were already on bloody topics (to be honest quite welcome and participated by me, actually it must even have been me giving the start) like "why you stayed so little, when are you coming back, when are you on holiday next" and similar, don't make me go deeper in this. The superquick show by reception drew some attention, the very most of spectators probably didn't even had the time to understand what was the problem, but obviously tones, attitudes and facial expressions spoke for themselves, not to mention how she dumped me by there.

Myrrh is right in his points and in his "mile running", in being grateful to these providers who make us feel that good, also Dreams had underlined the advantages of these clubs, and probably synthesized better a good part of my previous report. About sausages, I would say that there must be a minimum of minding about what they are attached to. Also we, as mongers, mind what is around the pussy. Both cathegories represent professionists. I may be a dreaming child, but I'll never believe that the 140kgs guy got my same treatment in the same way. Words can lie, eyes can lie, but she genuinely got wetter and wetter until releasing with me, inspite of the tens of sausages she cooks weekly, she must have felt something, maybe she's not that worn out yet. I reckon that pussy and dick can't lie, my willy wouldn't care nor want any other girl in the hours she ignored me, only when she came back to me He felt ready to bang another one.

Tjohoo, you remember these words: "Never ever hunt after girls in clubs, just go with the flow", I wanted to post in Bochum partytreff thread my visit, but I'm absorbed by this one. I've read this great sentence of yours. It seems to me that you want to "defend","believe" and "justify" her, you are right that we are all humans, but we don't know if and how sincere she was, and "unfortunately" it wouldn't make any difference. As Optimist understood, anyway we wouldn't end up getting married, so maybe we are keeping pointlessly alive this soap-opera, which might even be an inflated misunderstanding, a stupid illusion, a missed fishing, an exaggerated imagination's fruit, etc.

Suggestion: why one of you, or any lurker, doesn't go there and session with her and REPORT. By now she'll have handled a good hundred of sausages, at the moment of writing she might be swallowing a 80 years old customer load or being creampied by a 200kgs guy. After all, here there is being a great advertisement, go and tell her how you found about her, show her the reports as I did with the other forum, she doesn't know my nickname but I'm quite sure that not only her, but also other girls will remember that afternoon and that melodrama.

Inspite of the hundreds of sausages, raw or not.

Looking forward to reading your FIELD REPORTS, I obviously read willingly any.

EG