FKK Arabella / Villa Venus / Sauna Grimberg - NRW AO Clubs

[Dreams]

Brother Indi Companion,

Thank you for taking the time to write your words. This is most welcome.

I always wondered about how certain mans got AO service all the times and some mans never get AO service ever after many years of visiting the clubs. This must be in the selection of the womenfolk.

It is correct that Bernds has always been known as a club that offers AO, they no need to advertise it since it is known. Maybe even DV Raubach not advertise it openly too but it is possible to find the AO there. Simply if not advertising it does not of itself make the club not an AO club.

You go to these clubs and if you ask for it and most times you will get it. Nothing special or new.

In the maybe mainstream FKKs that are written about there I agree that the girls that make the good money do not need to offer something special like AO to make the extra money. Now I fully expect some professional professor of FKKs to say that he gets the best looking hooker in the club to fuck him no condom but you expect them to say that. Just saying.

I knows mans that in 5 years has only ever been offered AO 5 times, so this maybe falls into the 1 in 100 bucket of the Breadman. Then there is the mans that goes always with the ugly girls and the girl fuck him for free and with no protection. He go to the small club and he can foster the relationship with the new inexperienced girl that fall for him. Then there is the professional Frankfurt mans that in all these years ever get AO only several times.

So with these empirical evidences I try to reconcile to the 1 in 3 statistic to the 1 in 100 statistic. Since I seriously do feel that some of us must be missing out in also enjoying these feelings. So it is the selection.

Maybe we keep to what we knows and I quote what I say before about feeling to not need to track down the people with the STD and hound them to the ends to the earth, and it is this: the concept that of letting live those to live their lives. Live and let Live.

That is all.

Njoy.

I am sure that one can get AO in so called non-Ao clubs for an extra fee. Wheterh it is 1 in 3 or 1 in 100 is for me irrelevant sicee

Personally, I don't ask for AO in such clubs, and have not been offered it very often. In any case I decline, since I don't see the point to pay quite a lot of extra money for a service that I get for free in VV or assimilated clubs.

[Jymondor]

So much comedy here; in my humble experiences, the girls that offered AO were in many cases some of the more popular girls. Those very few times that I actually let it happen, were pretty much all with girls that prove difficult to get to. In all honesty, I can only recall one girl that offered it, while being short of work (ie I was her first of the day).

I have no idea why none of the girls ever bring it up with you guys, but the story gets a bit weird.

You are talking about AO in non-AO clubs. Correct? I confirm that I got AO offers from the girls that are far way from be called ugly. Some of them are really popular (maybe by this reason? Who knows). Surcharge for AO in these clubs usually high."Usually" does not mean "always".

I was offered AO from 300 EURO extra (Declined) to 100 EURO for 1/2 hr AO session (usually accepted). I accept AO if this no more than 150 EURO per 1/2 hr in total. Once I accepted 250 EUROs and now don't understand why. This is about cases when girls proposed AO.

But more often I can get AO asking girls for that. I ask for AO only girls I previously sessioned more than one time and tipped well. Success is in about 20% of cases, but I newer ask for AO girls I newer sessioned before. Price is about in the same range between 50 and 250 EURO on top of base price. Does 20% shocking you?

Sure neither names of the girls nor clubs will be disclosed other than PM.

[Free Dude]

So much comedy here; in my humble experiences, the girls that offered AO were in many cases some of the more popular girls. Those very few times that I actually let it happen, were pretty much all with girls that prove difficult to get to. In all honesty, I can only recall one girl that offered it, while being short of work (ie I was her first of the day).

I have no idea why none of the girls ever bring it up with you guys, but the story gets a bit weird.

[Yakob]

My Dear Brother, the answer is easy. If you go with the ugly dogs or unpopular girls you can most likely get this service also in the big clubs, if you go with the good looking one and most requested girls who are not in a desperate need for clients, you will get it 1 in 100 as it happens to Breadman who evidentely has a good taste!

Moreover, I know of people who say they get it for nothing but then the girls come to me pointing them out and saying they had been offered 500€ for AO. So, whenever you listen to these stories, always put in the equation the factor called: frustated men!

Otherwise, why people should go and do the "very attractive girls" populating clubs like DVR or Grimberg instead simply getting AO for free at the big clubs since it is so easy to get it?

My two cents, from someone who has been around more than enough, including being a regular at Bernds and many of the most spoken German clubs and who happened, in many years, to get real AO from regulars for free (not certainly 1 out of 3, ridiculous except for the real AO clubs!) and being offered AO often from dogs (always refused, I preserve my dignity!).

Brother Indi Companion,

Thank you for taking the time to write your words. This is most welcome.

I always wondered about how certain mans got AO service all the times and some mans never get AO service ever after many years of visiting the clubs. This must be in the selection of the womenfolk.

It is correct that Bernds has always been known as a club that offers AO, they no need to advertise it since it is known. Maybe even DV Raubach not advertise it openly too but it is possible to find the AO there. Simply if not advertising it does not of itself make the club not an AO club.

You go to these clubs and if you ask for it and most times you will get it. Nothing special or new.

In the maybe mainstream FKKs that are written about there I agree that the girls that make the good money do not need to offer something special like AO to make the extra money. Now I fully expect some professional professor of FKKs to say that he gets the best looking hooker in the club to fuck him no condom but you expect them to say that. Just saying.

I knows mans that in 5 years has only ever been offered AO 5 times, so this maybe falls into the 1 in 100 bucket of the Breadman. Then there is the mans that goes always with the ugly girls and the girl fuck him for free and with no protection. He go to the small club and he can foster the relationship with the new inexperienced girl that fall for him. Then there is the professional Frankfurt mans that in all these years ever get AO only several times.

So with these empirical evidences I try to reconcile to the 1 in 3 statistic to the 1 in 100 statistic. Since I seriously do feel that some of us must be missing out in also enjoying these feelings. So it is the selection.

Maybe we keep to what we knows and I quote what I say before about feeling to not need to track down the people with the STD and hound them to the ends to the earth, and it is this: the concept that of letting live those to live their lives. Live and let Live.

That is all.

Njoy.

[Varenne]

Would be nice to have some reports from the experience, prices, girls, service in any of those clubs.

Would be a welcome change from the crap that has recently pollluted this thread

I Agree.

Villa Venus is back to the old prices:

1x 60€

2x 90€

3x 110€

No entry fee, and prices as usual include any available service. You need to decide and pay upfront for all the sessions.

[SwingerLover]

This scale if for AO availability ONLY.

It's way too complicated and propably to much work to keep it updated. And unnecessary too. If you take a look at my AO-map, then you'll see that all #1-5 clubs of your list are on there with a pink marker already. (Except FKK Arabella, which I left off for a reason.) Since #6 basically happens at all the other clubs occasionally (as I've been told) they don't need to be listed seperately. So what more classification does one need?

[Free Dude]

I met a girl named Andrea in Villa Venus last month who told me she does not do AO. She told me she used to work at Goldentime, tall fake blonde from Romania, pretty face, always sits on the couch by the towel rack upfront, speaks decent English.

That's the one I'm talking about, often chatting with Flori (Florentina) and this Andrea also has a set card that says 'no AO'. If the Andrea from Arabella has transferred, that's a different matter: she does 'everything' if I remember correctly. Two different girls.

[Sportsman]

Some things are also difficult to determine: as far as I know there is no club where girls are forced to do AO (in villa venus, Andrea doesn't for instance).

I am not sure what Andrea do you mean. Last Saturday I had AO + AVO session with Andrea who recently moved here from Arabella. Tall fake blond Romanian.

I met a girl named Andrea in Villa Venus last month who told me she does not do AO. She told me she used to work at Goldentime, tall fake blonde from Romania, pretty face, always sits on the couch by the towel rack upfront, speaks decent English.

[Indi Companion]

It seems that others get all advantage in fucking girls with no condom and for no extra money.

It seems unfair that some get AO all the time in the FKK and some do not even get a sniff at AO service being offered. This cannot be write. It seems we have extremes of 1 in 3 girls getting AO offered and some like Breadman get 1 in 100 and then are some doing this for many years and getting zero take up on AO service. What is the correct position?

My Dear Brother, the answer is easy. If you go with the ugly dogs or unpopular girls you can most likely get this service also in the big clubs, if you go with the good looking one and most requested girls who are not in a desperate need for clients, you will get it 1 in 100 as it happens to Breadman who evidentely has a good taste!

Moreover, I know of people who say they get it for nothing but then the girls come to me pointing them out and saying they had been offered 500€ for AO. So, whenever you listen to these stories, always put in the equation the factor called: frustated men!

Otherwise, why people should go and do the "very attractive girls" populating clubs like DVR or Grimberg instead simply getting AO for free at the big clubs since it is so easy to get it?

My two cents, from someone who has been around more than enough, including being a regular at Bernds and many of the most spoken German clubs and who happened, in many years, to get real AO from regulars for free (not certainly 1 out of 3, ridiculous except for the real AO clubs!) and being offered AO often from dogs (always refused, I preserve my dignity!).

[Jymondor]

I don't think the issue is important enough to have a specific classification.

To be honest nothing is really important in this forum. Few men just having fun sharing sinful experience.

as far as I know there is no club where girls are forced to do AO (in villa venus, Andrea doesn't for instance). So I think 1 and 2 are essentially the same.

I am not sure what Andrea do you mean. Last Saturday I had AO + AVO session with Andrea who recently moved here from Arabella. Tall fake blond Romanian. But anyway I was under impression that all girls in V-Venus perform AO. I am pretty positive that all girls at Angelique do AO.

For instance, there are a bunch of girls in LR and GT that are known (by most regulars) to be doing AO. Which includes postings on the big messageboards. And still work there. No way the club is in the dark (unless they choose to).

I would say that management is pretending that they do not know about AO as long as girl adds some Euros to their Schublade. At any case scenario I would appreciate leads to these girls into my PM.

The better distinction. If one is inclined to make one. Is between clubs where AO is fairly openly accepted (Alina, Arabella, Grimberg, Villa Venus, Dietzenbach, Laluna, Cleopatra, M Exclusiv, DV Raubach, Angelique, many more smaller clubs). And the clubs where it is publicly considered 'not done', but still happens regularly (everywhere else).

Well, this is closer to the reality, but more gradations will makes information exchange easier.

Three can be put under the same umbrella, as DVR is well known to offer AO and is even under the Tabulos header in Freiercafe.

De facto you are right. But de jure DVR does not advertise AO on their website while other mentioned clubs do. AO at DVR is more available than say in Arabella that advertises AO, but by some reason they do not announce. Friercafe is not under their control.

[Free Dude]

I don't think the issue is important enough to have a specific classification.

Some things are also difficult to determine: as far as I know there is no club where girls are forced to do AO (in villa venus, Andrea doesn't for instance). So I think 1 and 2 are essentially the same. Three can be put under the same umbrella, as DVR is well known to offer AO and is even under the Tabulos header in Freiercafe.

The difference between 4 and 5 is flimsy. For instance, there are a bunch of girls in LR and GT that are known (by most regulars) to be doing AO. Which includes postings on the big messageboards. And still work there. No way the club is in the dark (unless they choose to).

The better distinction. If one is inclined to make one. Is between clubs where AO is fairly openly accepted (Alina, Arabella, Grimberg, Villa Venus, Dietzenbach, Laluna, Cleopatra, M Exclusiv, DV Raubach, Angelique, many more smaller clubs). And the clubs where it is publicly considered 'not done', but still happens regularly (everywhere else).

What percentages is concerned, I'd say 1 in 3 seems a bit much; but 1 in 100 is a joke: even without asking for it you'd probably beat that (from experience).

[Jymondor]

Guys, there are too many discussions around definition "AO Club". Technically AO can be available in ANY club. But only some clubs provide AO service "legally". So sometimes is hard to define whether AO that cub or not.

I propose a scale that will help to rate any club by AO availability. This scale does not related to club type and can be applied to any club type (FKK, Sauna-Club, PT, Brothel, etc.

Please correct if any example is not right.

Class 1 (or A). AO openly advertised. AO is mandatory for all WG in the club. Customer can get AO from any girls. Example: Villa Venus, Angelique

Class 2 (or B). AO openly advertised. AO is available from some girls. Example: Arabella, Cleopatra Arena, Alina, Grimberg, LaLuna, Dietzenbach.

Class 3 (or C). AO not advertised but openly available from all or some girls in the club. Example: DV Raurbach.

Class 4 (or D). AO not advertised. AO not openly available, but some girls could provide it. Girls have no troubles if AO info leaks. Example: Bernds.

Class 5 (or E). AO strictly forbidden. Girl would be in a trouble if AO info leaks. But of course it is available from some girls for some men, because it is impossible to control. Examples: Oase, GT, World, Acapulco, etc.

I believe that proposed scale covers all cases of AO availability at any club.

This scale if for AO availability ONLY. It does not explain whether AO is extra or included into base price.

[Yakob]

Really, one in 100! You tested more than 100 girls and only one would accept AO if you request?

I agree that 1 in 3 is a good possibility, in ANY big FKK, Bernds as much (or less) than any other.

It seems that others get all advantage in fucking girls with no condom and for no extra money.

It seems unfair that some get AO all the time in the FKK and some do not even get a sniff at AO service being offered. This cannot be write. It seems we have extremes of 1 in 3 girls getting AO offered and some like Breadman get 1 in 100 and then are some doing this for many years and getting zero take up on AO service. What is the correct position?

[Smili]

Thats right swingerl. Dorsten was by the way the worst place I've ever been to, even though Laureen pink was there, being fucked by 30-40 guys from the middle east, I didn't bother. Alina was quite ok, with one good provider and one oh my god provider! Both young and looking quite good, nearly fkk standard. Service of the oh my god, was above. The rest of the girls didn't seem that interesting, unfortunately. Nice meeting you at krefeld Sunday, by the way! Scandinavian dude here.

[Jymondor]

No. PT Dorsten and FKK Alina are two seperate places.

I wrote about Alina. I did not even know that PT Dorsten exists.