FKK Arabella / Villa Venus / Sauna Grimberg - NRW AO Clubs

[Optimist]

I have also found that quite a number of the girls in these clubs are in the normal FKK looks range (unlike at Dolce Vita Raubach in my experience). Ok. I have definitely never seen a real top notch looker (as HB says if that is important these clubs are not ideal). The service is on average as good as at any FKK (limited mainly by the limited session length, limited language skills, and amateurishness of some girls) However this can lead to a particular sort of nice experience which is rarely found in a high level FKK. So it may be premature to write these clubs off (and you can use a condom) even though they aren't really comparable to the fine facilities and views available at World

[Hessen Bub]

Definitely not 1-5 especially in V-Venus. I saw there three-four girls under 5, but still young. I saw uglier in World for example. Most of girls are between 5 and 7, two maybe 8. But I agree they would not survive in Big Hesse 5. Not because of appearance but because of communication skills. However I cannot complain in service level in V-Venus. In average it is better in Big Hesse 5. DFK. Is standard, no annoying attempts to upsell, because there is nothing to upsell.

What I saw at Arabella and Grimberg was in the range of 1-5. Not to say that there's no 5s or lower at Oase or World. But the majority is above 5 and there's enough girls in the range of 8-10. Sure, prices are much lower (30€ for 30min including anal and CIM which would be 200€ at World) , but what you pay is what you get. If you stick to the standard 30min service it's only 20€ difference I am happy to pay for superior looks). Arabella and Gromnerg Were not for me, I need good looking girls with good service and no upsell. So World, Oase and Sharks do it for me. Maybe Villa Venus does have the better lookimg girls.

HB

[Jymondor]

Attractive or very attractive compared to what? Oase, GT, Palace, World, Living Room? Or compared to the streetwalkers in Romania? Sorry guys, but 95% of the girls working at Arabella and Grimberg are in the range of 1-5 out of 10 points. They would hardly make any money at the clubs mentioned before. That's why they are working at Arabella or Grimberg and are excepting 30 EUR / 30min including all extras and BB. Let's face the facts.

HB

Definitely not 1-5 especially in V-Venus. I saw there three-four girls under 5, but still young. I saw uglier in World for example. Most of girls are between 5 and 7, two maybe 8. But I agree they would not survive in Big Hesse 5. Not because of appearance but because of communication skills. However I cannot complain in service level in V-Venus. In average it is better in Big Hesse 5. DFK. Is standard, no annoying attempts to upsell, because there is nothing to upsell.

[PacificRim]

Attractive or very attractive compared to what? Oase, GT, Palace, World, Living Room? Or compared to the streetwalkers in Romania? Sorry guys, but 95% of the girls working at Arabella and Grimberg are in the range of 1-5 out of 10 points. They would hardly make any money at the clubs mentioned before. That's why they are working at Arabella or Grimberg and are excepting 30 EUR / 30min including all extras and BB. Let's face the facts.

HB

I haven't been to Grimberg or Arabella, but at VV at least one third were as good as any I have seen at Oase. Keeping in mind that tastes vary, I was more attracted to many of them than girls I have been with at Oase or Colosseum. I've been to DV-Raubach, and VV is nothing like that.

There are many things I can't explain about VV, including why such attractive girls work there. And my timing may have been an anomaly, but when I was there there were many young, gravity-defying Romanians running around. It's not a big club, so the absolute numbers of 8 to 9s is higher at Oase, but not the percentages. And there were none of the old MILFs that I have seen at Oase.

[Hessen Bub]

1. There is not a shortage of attractive women.

2. Plenty of the very attractive ones were available.

Attractive or very attractive compared to what? Oase, GT, Palace, World, Living Room? Or compared to the streetwalkers in Romania? Sorry guys, but 95% of the girls working at Arabella and Grimberg are in the range of 1-5 out of 10 points. They would hardly make any money at the clubs mentioned before. That's why they are working at Arabella or Grimberg and are excepting 30 EUR / 30min including all extras and BB. Let's face the facts.

HB

[Xplorer007]

Easy, from the center take tram 903 to Amsterdammerstrasse. It's then about 2km walking, or a bit shorter if you take a shortcut. The easiest route is tp go up Amstrdammerstrasse, at some point the road bends to the right and a couple of hundred meters you have a cross section where you go right on the Conrad Adenauer Strasse. You just continue here until you see the club on your left (the house with an iron gate).

Free Dude- thanks for the reply when you say centre do you mean Duisburg? And is it the same tram you have to catch on way back.

Thanks

[SwingerLover]

OK, one guy who is keen on a girl may decide to keep her tied up for long periods of time but as long as he is paying what the girl would have earned anyway then what is the problem that the club has with this?

Who knows? Maybe this is an excellent way to pluck some pigeons who aren't aware of this policy?

IBut if you get charged 90 euros for the second half an hour then by that reckoning if you stray 5 or 10 minutes over the 30

And likewise take the opportunity to loot someone who isn't aware of the time while having fun?

[Free Dude]

Easy, from the center take tram 903 to Amsterdammerstrasse. It's then about 2km walking, or a bit shorter if you take a shortcut. The easiest route is tp go up Amstrdammerstrasse, at some point the road bends to the right and a couple of hundred meters you have a cross section where you go right on the Conrad Adenauer Strasse. You just continue here until you see the club on your left (the house with an iron gate).

[Xplorer007]

Hi guys,

Is it possible to get to Villa Venus via public transport? Ie bus / tram from the nearest train stations I think the nearest train station is Oberhausen.

Thanks in advance

[PacificRim]

Myrrh, your discussion below is entirely too logical for VV's policies. I'm not sure any of our explanations have explained their reasoning. My own limited experience is that:

1. There is not a shortage of attractive women.

2. Plenty of the very attractive ones were available.

3. Yes, I agree with Free Dude, they were in no rush to get you up to a room. They were willing to kiss and fondle for long periods in the lounge area. A big contrast from the big Hessen clubs. So that doesn't seem like they are trying to rush you out.

4. I paid 120 for a one-hour session. That included 30 for entry fee. 30 for the first half hour, and 60 for the second half hour. I was informed that if I wanted to take another girl for an hour it would also be 120, which would make the second half hour cost 90, because there would not be another entry fee.

None of this really makes sense to me, but it is what happened to me.

[Myrrh]

I'm not saying I agree with the policy; but it is the policy (90 for the second half hour BTW, not 60). For some reason they don't want to encourage longer sessions. I've been told that going back downstairs and up again (sometimes?) happens, but I didn't see it. Not the only weird thing; you wouldn't believe how long some of the girls take to indicate they want to go upstairs. Or how explicitly they are trying to avoid working (really quite astounding). As for the reasons, speculation is all we have. But there is a big honking sign that says an hour is 120; the girls confirm this and I've seen the Theke telling a guy he needed to pay 60 more (instead of just 60 for an hour). And this was just last weekend. Maybe it temporary because they are relatively low on girls with some having gone to Alina and Dietzenbach. Going from 3 clubs to 5, can do that to your line up.

I can see from the point of view that if there are only a few really attractive girls with the others all being fodder then these attractive girls could get tied up all the time. A customer may stop going to the club if he finds that he is not able get any time at all with any of these attractive girls. The club does not want to lose customers.

Also, the club's policy may force guys to spread their money among different girls rather than spending it on only a few.

It's slowly making sense (I think?).

But if you get charged 90 euros for the second half an hour then by that reckoning if you stray 5 or 10 minutes over the 30 then you should get charged 15 or 30 euros.

I would have thought that the girls' best tactic would be to try and talk guys into spending more than 30 minutes as that way they make more profit for the club.

[Free Dude]

I'm not saying I agree with the policy; but it is the policy (90 for the second half hour BTW, not 60). For some reason they don't want to encourage longer sessions. I've been told that going back downstairs and up again (sometimes?) happens, but I didn't see it. Not the only weird thing; you wouldn't believe how long some of the girls take to indicate they want to go upstairs. Or how explicitly they are trying to avoid working (really quite astounding). As for the reasons, speculation is all we have. But there is a big honking sign that says an hour is 120; the girls confirm this and I've seen the Theke telling a guy he needed to pay 60 more (instead of just 60 for an hour). And this was just last weekend. Maybe it temporary because they are relatively low on girls with some having gone to Alina and Dietzenbach. Going from 3 clubs to 5, can do that to your line up.

[Myrrh]

Is it just me or is anyone else completely bamboozled by the discussions / explanations provided by the last few posts?

I have only ever visited FKK Arabella of the clubs mentioned and found the pricing policy there daft to say the least. Normally there you buy a ticket for either 60/90/110 euros for entrance and 1/2/3 30 minute sessions. However on some other days they have a different policy where you pay an entrance of 30 euros and then 30 euros for each 30 minute session.

For Villa Venus club entry the discussion seems to be saying that you pay 30 euros for each 30 minute session but 60 euros for each extra 30 minutes over your initial 30 minute session rather than the to be expected 30 euros. So double the rate for extending your session!

WTF? How does this make sense?

People have been justifying it by saying that the club needs the girls to return back quickly because they are in demand. But why don't they just charge you 30 euros for each extra 30 minutes that you spend, as this is what the girl would have earned anyway if she went with another customer?

OK, one guy who is keen on a girl may decide to keep her tied up for long periods of time but as long as he is paying what the girl would have earned anyway then what is the problem that the club has with this?

Some guys may get annoyed that some popular girl may get tied up for hours on end with one customer but if the customer is paying as he goes along then that is his privilege, no? It's tough luck, he got there first! If you are that keen on a particular girl then get there early and tie her up for as long as you want (as long as you keep paying of course).

If the club is keen for a girl to be busy with one customer for no longer than 30 minutes then you could find that a customer is forced to finish with a girl after 30 minutes and she goes back to sit around for a while because no other customers are ready to take her to the room. After some time has elapsed and the customer finds that no one else is taking her then he may decide to take her again but by this time she may have lost some time that she could have been charging had she stayed with that customer.

There is a danger for the club with this policy that customer may feel that the 'momentum' has been lost and as a result he no longer wants to take the girl to room. Whereas if there was not this interruption then he may well have continued (and kept paying).

So I just don't understand this policy. If someone has already paid half an hour for a girl then he should have the priority to keep going (as long as he keeps paying).

One of the posts below even said that someone was charged 120 euros for one hour with a girl where he would have been charged 60 euros if there was a break between two separate 30 minute sessions.

This is just daft. As they say there's nowt as queer as some German Sauna club owner folk!

[Free Dude]

Haven't seen it at arabella and I also think Alina doesn't have this rule; in these places you have to decide on the number of sessions beforehand; so if you spend more than a hour and a half, you need to buy a new card (and the club gets another entry fee). No clue about Grimberg.

[Hessen Bub]

For which clubs does the 1 hour rule apply? All of the three? Are there signs up in all three clubs?

HB