Blackbeards Resort

[Bliadun]

Now she's visiting BB with clients sometimes.

When I was going there regularly, there was a sweetie named Kenya who just blew up. Still cute, but chubby.

[Manny51]

When I was going there regularly, there was a sweetie named Kenya who just blew up. Still cute, but chubby.

(Its hard for the girls to sit around for hours, with occasional drinks with the customers, without putting on weight).

The mama-san at the time told her to stay home till she dropped some weight.

I was also sitting with the mama-san when a girl dropped off her monthly health-check paperwork, - another benefit over the street.

Monthly checks are far from perfect, since you don't know what happened yesterday, but at least it reduces the odds of disease.

Its also the diet. I thought that the Dominican version of rice and beans, which is everywhere in the Carribean and Central America, to be very heavy. I think they mix in some lard or something. I remember ordering it once, thinking I was going "light" because I wasn't that hungry, and it sat in my stomach all afternoon. Pair that up with fried chicken and stews thickened heavily with flour, and that's a recipe for a spare tire.

[Yanqui69]

Really? Just for getting fat? Who makes that call? That's a lot of power. I wonder how often that is enforced.

When I was going there regularly, there was a sweetie named Kenya who just blew up. Still cute, but chubby.

(Its hard for the girls to sit around for hours, with occasional drinks with the customers, without putting on weight).

The mama-san at the time told her to stay home till she dropped some weight.

I was also sitting with the mama-san when a girl dropped off her monthly health-check paperwork, - another benefit over the street.

Monthly checks are far from perfect, since you don't know what happened yesterday, but at least it reduces the odds of disease.

[Husker Dude]

Really? Just for getting fat? Who makes that call? That's a lot of power. I wonder how often that is enforced.

They actually have periodic weigh-ins. Girls can be suspended til they get down to their weight. I believe the mamasans are in charge of that call.

[Manny51]

In fact, they DO prefer to work there.

And I got that from conversations with the chicas (more than a few). One I know very well who left years ago, told me she considered herself very lucky to be working there.

A girl can get told to leave for misconduct, complaints, or if she gets too fat, etc.

Stick with what you enjoy.

Really? Just for getting fat? Who makes that call? That's a lot of power. I wonder how often that is enforced.

[Charles Pooter]

BTW, has anyone seen any surface effects of the Haitian expulsion? I was just wondering how pervasive it was. Are there cleaning ladies or cooks at BB's getting forced out? Is it the type of people that you see everyday? Or is it more of a hiding in the shadows thing?

Has not really started bigtime yet. And will be a gradual process when it does.

Haitians who have work visas will not be deported. Also, those who can prove they have been in the DR since 2010 had the chance to apply for legalization, so those who were valued employees of gringos were probably helped with that.

The political situation is much like the USA's problem with Mexico.

Somewhat, but drawing parallels is not helpful. The really contentious issues are where the situation differs. For example, the US had not passed a low retroactively stripping US citizenship from those who look Mexican. Do not be misled by US media coverage. Whether supporting or opposing the DR Govt, it is full of wrong information.

I think Danilo is a humane and sensible person. He went along with the blatantly racist solution (the DR's "final solution") until he had wangled the constitution to get re-elected. Now he is assured of that, he is announcing more and more exceptions and loopholes to soften the pogrom somewhat and I expect that process will continue.

Remember, the vast majority of Haitians are in the DR because they were encouraged in by Dominicans to provide cheap labor, in agriculture, construction and hospitality. Those employers will not welcome their wage bill doubling.

As you say, it is those "hiding in the shadows" who will constitute the majority of those deported. They are not really hiding, but existing from day to day on handouts from other Haitians in places where gringos never, and Dominicans rarely, set foot.

[Manny51]

Here's the problem: you said, you heard from the guys at BBs that most women would prefer to work there, and from that I'm supposed to accept as fact that most women would prefer to work there.

As I see it, if you got it from BBs regulars, they got it from the girls who work at BBs, most of which probably prefer to work there. It's like standing inside a Walmart and asking customers where they prefer to shop.

Rather than assume, with nothing to support the assumption, that the majority of girls not working at BBs, would rather be working at BBs, you should stick with the data and ask why do the girls at BBs prefer that to somewhere else.

Safety and security is one possibility. I think there is a much more likely reason, less competition. My rough estimate is a 20 to 1 ratio, available women to looking me in Sosua. At BBs, it was 2 or 3 to 1. Team up with another girl for jacuzzi tag teams and now it's almost 1 to 1. With those odds, even a woman with hair on her nipples or rather grotesque growths on her hands, has a good chance of making some money.

Well, I didn't ONLY quote those guys. I used it as an intro, followed by reasons why it makes sense. And you just made another argument in favor, which I hadn't thought of. In fact, that's one reason I can understand why people would want to go to Sosua. I suppose that if you are staying in the DR for more than a couple of days, you can want to meet someone new.

But the thing to remember is BB isn't an open door, where a girl can just randomly decide, "Hmmm. I am going to work at BB today!" You have to get permission to work there. If I hadn't emphasized it enough, it the vetting that's the biggest advantage.

I think we are making the same case.

BTW, has anyone seen any surface effects of the Haitian expulsion? The political situation is much like the USA's problem with Mexico. I was just wondering how pervasive it was. Are there cleaning ladies for cooks at BB's getting forced out? Is it the type of people that you see everyday? Or is it more of a hiding in the shadows thing?

[Yanqui69]

Here's the problem: you said, you heard from the guys at BBs that most women would prefer to work there, and from that I'm supposed to accept as fact that most women would prefer to work there.

As I see it, if you got it from BBs regulars, they got it from the girls who work at BBs, most of which probably prefer to work there. It's like standing inside a Walmart and asking customers where they prefer to shop.

Rather than assume, with nothing to support the assumption, that the majority of girls not working at BBs, would rather be working at BBs, you should stick with the data and ask why do the girls at BBs prefer that to somewhere else.

Safety and security is one possibility. I think there is a much more likely reason, less competition. My rough estimate is a 20 to 1 ratio, available women to looking me in Sosua. At BBs, it was 2 or 3 to 1. Team up with another girl for jacuzzi tag teams and now it's almost 1 to 1. With those odds, even a woman with hair on her nipples or rather grotesque growths on her hands, has a good chance of making some money.

In fact, they DO prefer to work there.

And I got that from conversations with the chicas (more than a few). One I know very well who left years ago, told me she considered herself very lucky to be working there.

They prefer the controlled environment; safer for them on a number of levels. On the customer level, no scams, thievery, bait-and-switch, etc.

To use your Wal-Mart example, hearing it from a chica is more like asking a Wal-Mart employee, not a customer.

If the employee is positive about their place of work, I take their word for it.

Occasionally one will leave because they don't want to follow certain rules, but overall, its a very coveted place to work.

A girl can get told to leave for misconduct, complaints, or if she gets too fat, etc.

The freelancers may have their reasons for doing so, but some may be drama queens, thieves, druggies, scams, etc that wouldn't last long.

Have occasionally seen former BB chicas at FOD, for example. Given the difference in the level of business, they would not consider that positive.

When you see a former BB girl working elsewhere, its not considered a step up.

No need to turn this into a prolonged debate, just leave at "to each his own. ".

Stick with what you enjoy.

[OldKool]

In Sosua you get a couple of 100 hotties as a opposed to BBs 20 or 30. On weekends buses of Santiago red bones show up. I have met some girls very new to the game in Sosua.. I control my encounters with the ladies. It is true that rip offs and scams are reduced but that is part of th excitement of Sosua. Sosua has many part timers because of the constant turn over . I tend to look for this type of chica. If you speak a little Spanish you can find them. If Sosua did not exist or was shut down BBs would be a great option when got a Bently the Mercedes loses some of its luster.

Interesting, so you think that the girls are MORE hard care at BB? So in your experience, there are more part-timers, newbs to the night in Sosua?

From my limited observations, I detected no difference in the women whatsoever. I found the women at BB, FOD, and Sosua equal in looks. The advantage of BB and FOD isn't in looks, its in vetting and the incentives for good behavior.

[JjBee62]

Of course there may be some women who truly prefer working on the street. Fine. But once you accept that most women would probably prefer to work at BB if they could, it behooves you to ask WHY they are not there. It may have been because they tried to rip off customers too often, got caught stealing, or failed a basic STD screen.

Here's the problem: you said, you heard from the guys at BBs that most women would prefer to work there, and from that I'm supposed to accept as fact that most women would prefer to work there.

As I see it, if you got it from BBs regulars, they got it from the girls who work at BBs, most of which probably prefer to work there. It's like standing inside a Walmart and asking customers where they prefer to shop.

Rather than assume, with nothing to support the assumption, that the majority of girls not working at BBs, would rather be working at BBs, you should stick with the data and ask why do the girls at BBs prefer that to somewhere else.

Safety and security is one possibility. I think there is a much more likely reason, less competition. My rough estimate is a 20 to 1 ratio, available women to looking me in Sosua. At BBs, it was 2 or 3 to 1. Team up with another girl for jacuzzi tag teams and now it's almost 1 to 1. With those odds, even a woman with hair on her nipples or rather grotesque growths on her hands, has a good chance of making some money.

[Charles Pooter]

For all you know, you may have been vindicated if it went through the system.

Yes, that is remotely possible. But even in that rare event, it would not be a great comfort after you had spent 3 days to 3 months in a Dominican jail and spent a small fortune on lawyers. Best of luck trying to get compensation from a Dominican court, not to mention always looking over your shoulder for her brothers, cousins, and boyfriends coming after you for vengeance with knives and machetes.

What does work is having a powerful contact high up in the system. A few guys here boast of having one. In some cases it might even be true. But most of us are not that fortunate.

Manny, you live in a little bubble of your own. No wonder you like to spend your time interned in the likes of Oxygen, Blackbeards and Field of Dreams where you are sheltered from the "real" DR. Seriously, it is the right policy for you.

[Lou32]

I think the BB, FOD and Sosua girls are all the same. Some like the security and back-up in case a gringo monger is a bit too physical or abusive while others like to bag their own prey in the streets of Sosua. They may not like the fact that working at BB they can't trick some newbie into a $200 night.

But pretty much the very same North Coast "Professional" Dominican women at each location. It would seem that if you want a non-pro you leave the compounds AND Sosua.

[Yanqui69]

Great story. In fact, I think I remember reading it before I left for the trip when I rented a car. I always looked behind me before making any turns.

Was the accident in the daytime or at night? If at night, did he have a headlight on? Had you had any booze?

That being said, why do you think that the "gringo will pay?" You volunteered to pay his expenses to avoid a nasty court thing. I would have done the same. But it didn't go to court. A police officer didnt say "well, its your fault, so you pay." For all you know, you may have been vindicated if it went through the system.

Unless there is more to the story, the lesson I take away is 1) you handled it well, and 2) always give right of way, and look behind you on turns.

It was daytime. I had nothing to drink.

I only paid for part of the idiot's motoconcho because he and a couple of friends would not let me leave.

He wanted more, and the friends convinced him to take my offer.

I willingly paid only for the female passenger's medical bill, which was small, to avoid any problems with her family.

IF the cops had been involved, THEY would have wanted money, and I know stories of gringos spending a day or two in jail, waiting for a lawyer or money to "fix things".

My lesson was ALWAYS LOOK. Motoconchos will appear WHERE THEY SHOULD NOT BE.
I make all course changes gradually, to allow any motoconcho I didn't see, time to move out of the way.
My luck was the girl. She knew to take control of the situation, and get everyone to a clinic fast.
Had the cops arrived first and taken charge, it would likely have been a disaster for me.

Imagine any gringo on his own, and he would have waited for the cops; and at that point, he'd be screwed.
Once immersed in the Dominican legal system, you are at the mercy of a corrupt, incompetent system, and those involved have time to get a lawyer and make claims, etc.

[Manny51]

I have been to BB twice and have no plans of returning. The women were just OK. Most were 6 or 7 nothing special. Everything there is ok but not special. I will take the streets of Sosua every time. At BB you have 15 to 20 chicas laying around bored. The 2 or 3 hot ones are used constantly and are hard to schedule. Me personally do not like knowing the girl I just fucked was sucking the guys next to me dick the night before. BB girls are committed hard core pros. Sosua has a variety of women with different perspectives. There is a difference between a full time pro and a college girl getting cash for school. To each his own. Casas are a big turn off to me. The illusion of hunting in Sosua is a big turn on for me.
Some women like the ablity to not fuck some guys.

Interesting, so you think that the girls are MORE hard care at BB? So in your experience, there are more part-timers, newbs to the night in Sosua?

From my limited observations, I detected no difference in the women whatsoever. I found the women at BB, FOD, and Sosua equal in looks. The advantage of BB and FOD isn't in looks, its in vetting and the incentives for good behavior.

[Manny51]

Well, if you can't imagine it, there's a very simple solution. Go to Blackbeard's, take along a notebook and rate each girl. Rate her on her face, her body, with and without clothes, try to estimate her age, and rate her attitude and performance. Then go to Sosua. Sit down at Rumbas and just start rating the girls. Rate 30 or 40 of them on the visible areas, and however many you can on attitude and performance.

Here's my results from Blackbeard's, where I had some experience with 7 different girls, 1 only in room, 5 only in jacuzzi and 1 in both places. I'm sorry it's not a more exhaustive list, but I was suffering from a severe head cold those 2 days.

In Sosua I found more people to talk to, found more things to do and see and found many more choices when it came to chicas. I also enjoyed all of the people watching opportunities.

My initial plans were along the lines of BBs, although a different place with more accessible outside options. I changed my plans because of costs and because I wanted a broader experience. If I had spent my entire trip at Blackbeard's, I would probably have little desire to return. Instead, I am hoping to return, to Blackbeard's, Sosua and to experience other spots as well.

One on one debating about where the girls are prettier is an exercise in futility. I have found that, when it comes to black women, opinions of beauty vary WIDELY. Girls that some guys complement as "thick," I find fat. I'll often go to the Photo Gallery section and scratch my head when I see guys posting pictures and waxing poetic about women I find completely ordinary. I do agree that the only fair way to assess beauty is to go and check it out yourself.

Of course there may be some women who truly prefer working on the street. Fine. But once you accept that most women would probably prefer to work at BB if they could, it behooves you to ask WHY they are not there. It may have been because they tried to rip off customers too often, got caught stealing, or failed a basic STD screen.