Anti-Sex Pervert MathewCob's Disinformation Campaign

[Streetlooker]

I thought the only way to verify the age of something was to cut it in half and count the rings.

[MathewCob]

westcoast, me proving your point? i'm saying the complete opposite, here's what i'm saying so that we are clear,

me and harry the horse are both saying barfines in angeles are over, nothing more nothing less,

you and a very small amount of members here are claiming some bars have a work around system (clearly not a barfine) where a girl might leave alone and meet a well known to the bar punter back at his hotel, (more like freelance).

now i have clearly stated time and time again, i have not heard, been offered this method or seen it used in any bars that i have recently visited, i was clearly told in no uncertain terms thet barfines of any type are strictly not available.

could there be 1 or two bars allowing girls to do a work around, maybe a tiny amount of out the ways small bars, but believe me when i say this will be very short lived, as we clearly know, the powers that be want an end to any type of prostitution in angeles city and will raid / close any bar for prostitution / **** offences, as recently seen,

hope that makes my views 100% clear to you now westcoast, so stop trying to bust my balls and twist my words lol.

[Fast Eddie 48]

Corn Cobb is coming to town today as per his recent announcement. Keep the door girls inside. Only 2 bars on Fields are permitted to be open at 3:00 pm and taking a girl out of a bar anywhere in town under ANY circumstances is strictly prohibited. I'm personally caught up on my work for a few days so I think I'll grab the Swaggy bus up there so he has somebody to confirm his newest findings and information.

To Slippery.

I just Ingore the guy don't even bother to read his post at all waste of time, I can said I am in AC now thing is normal most hotel is full and I got a girl last night at Isomnia not problem very GFE need to kick her out this morning she don't want to leave most be the king size soft bed going to breakfast and play some poker at Cuba Cuba life is good.

Fast Eddie 48

[MathewCob]

who ya crapp'and cobb? like a dental exam is going to establish within a reasonable degree of medical certainty whether somebody is 18 years and two months or 17 years and 10 months. and btw, we are eagerly awaiting your 9/1/13 report.

dental checks are accurate up to 3 months difference in age, that's just fact, google if you don't believe,

so yes it can tell the difference between an ****14/15/16 or just over 17 years old girl and an 18 year old legal girl, yes it would be better if dental exams were accurate up to a couple of hours but they are not, so at the moment it's the best we got and is used / believed by the philippine authorities widely, so why are bar owners not paying the few pesos they cost to protect their punter, exactly, pure greed and could not give a shit attitude imho,

now if a dental check came back that a certain bar girl was slightly under legal age then the authorities would probably let it go with no prosecution, nevertheless a dental check on all girls would sure as hell protects us from the greedy bar owners that seem to have a constant supply of 14/15/16 year old girls working in their bars, hence the constant bar raids and countless **** girls rescued as of late.

[MathewCob]

Oralfanatic, again have to totally disagree,

I think all that have actually accompanied a bargirl to their weekly hygiene smear test or have asked a bar girl about it clearly know that it is only a smear test and nothing else, no blood is ever taken in any of the visits, that's just fact, ask and see,

Please explain, how an Angeles bar girl is is checked for stds and aids when no blood work at all is done at weekly hygiene,

You therefore are claiming that stds / aids can been found by a pap smear test only without a blood test, totally clueless,

Your further claim of cherry girls being checked every month is pure fabrication too,

For a girl to be given a v card (virgin) all she has to do is attend hygiene the first time she starts working bar and verbally claim she is a virgin, she is absolutely not checked at all in this first visit, just her word is taken, she is told to report back in 3 months,

3 months later the maybe virgin goes back to hygiene and claims she has menstruation so again is not checked and again asked to come back in 3 months time, this goes on and on, fuck me some girls in Angeles bars claim they are virgins at 35 years old and have worked bar for 5 years, I suppose you believe in this fairy tale too.

The only guys I have ever heard telling others that girls are weekly / monthly screened for std / aids and girls with a v badge are virgins are Angeles bar owners trying to drum up business for their failing bars,

Only a fool would believe a bar owner would pay upwards of 2000 pesos per week for each bargirl to have blood work done, thats how much blood test for std / aids screening costs in angeles at any clinic / hospital, again pure fact,

If you times 2000 pesos per girl by some bars have 500 girls working for their group then that's a million pesos a week spent just on blood work alone,

Again if you knew anything about Angeles city or how the bars worked you would know that a hygiene test for each girl is only charged at 20 pesos per girl, paid for by the bar, how then do you explain blood for std / aids screening work being done for 20 pesos when the cost is 2000 pesos each time,

On to dental screening, again your guessing at the facts, dental screening is accurate up to a 3 month age difference (yes that accurate) claiming it can be up to 5 years is not fact, google it and see, the facts are all there for any one who wants to learn the truth,

By the way, the links you posted don't work either, wonder why?

[Slippery]

Who ya crapp'and Cobb? Like a dental exam is going to establish within a reasonable degree of medical certainty whether somebody is 18 years and two months or 17 years and 10 months. And BTW, we are eagerly awaiting your 9/1/13 report.

[OralFanatic]

mc, you are absolutely clueless. you can estimate age with dental forensics but you cannot determine age, period. in the age group we're talking about, estimation can be off by as much as 5 months (that's an average) but there have been cases where they were off by as much as 5 years. what is your purpose making comments like this? you have no place on this board at all. you sound like susan bryce resurrected. misinformation; that's all you got mccobb.

the bar girls have weekly checkups for std's and monthly checkups for hiv. the girls are required to register yearly for their cards but the age verification is only performed the first time they apply for one. virginity is checked once a month for those carrying the 'v' cards. here's a link to an ac government document.

http://www.pnac.org.ph/uploads/docum...1-strengthning

%20angeles%20city%20aids%20council. pdf.

here is a link to a us embassy cable detailing the health checkups of gro's. either the us government or mccobb is lying. i don't trust either one but i'll go with the us government information on this one.

http://www.cablegatesearch.net/cable...d=09manila1827

here's a report about std's (the pi uses the term sti) being discovered. i wonder how they can discover these things while only doing a pap smear?

http://www.margaritastation.com/readfull.php?m=481

i found this article while surfing the net looking for ac info (can't post a link as it may be a competitor). you'll immediately note the similarities on the raids, but make sure you check out the date. keep dreaming mccobb; you and your ijm or preda ilk will never shut down the sex trade in the pi.

9/9/07 witch-hunt for ****d in the philippines (date appears incorrect but i just cut and pasted)

blue nile group raid. angeles city.

from angeles city news june 2007:

this raid, like several recent raids, did not comply with many of the legal requirements that should be followed by the nbi (similar to our fbi) when conducting an inspection or a raid in any city. in addition to not notifying the local government so city police could accompany the nbi on the raid, this time they took it a few steps further by detaining customers, pointing firearms at customers, threatening customers, and even attempting to arrest customers wives and girlfriends. fortunately, no one was injured and all the customers were released after 2-3 scary hours. five buses were brought in and 334 employees were taken to manila. the majority were released within 24 hours without formal charges being filed. as of the date of this newsletter 2 foreign managers and 5 local floor managers were still being detained.

later followup report: angeles city news september 2007:

the seven individuals spent a total of five weeks in jail and all eventually all charges against them were dropped and the case dismissed.

[WestCoast1]

westcoast, yes we are reading the same harry the horse news letter,

as you clearly posted harry the horse wrote 'barfines are technically over'

i think that statement says it all in a nut shell,

of course harry the horse is not going to slam the barn door fully shut and totally ruin his own business and lively hood so he gently hints that other means may at times be possible, he has to say this to keep the game slightly alive, he would be totally stupid not to as that would mean his own financial ruin,

what we should take from all this is that even an angeles bar owner who has many vested interests in barfines being easily available is clearly saying things are rapidly changing and barfine is technically over.

thanks. you're making my case. so now you are saying that harry is barfining (a bf includes paying money directly to the bar, buying 10 drinks, meeting the girl outside and paying later, or any alternate method of payment, etc). a contradiction from what you wrote below. you should not use sweeping generalizations.

funny how harry the horse who has lived in angeles city for over 20 years and is an angeles bar / hotel owner (so has plenty to lose) who writes a monthly news letter on all that is happening in angeles agree 100% with what i been saying all along which is absolutely no bar fines are available in angeles city as of the last couple of months.

as for guys claiming barfines are possible in angeles city then all i can say is these guys must have vested interests in saying these things.

the truth is that there are 100% no barfines in the bars of angeles, check out any of the major angeles forums and you will see hundreds of posts stating the same.

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the only sure way of determining a girls age is by dental identification same as the authorities use when they rescue **** girls from the bars and costs just a few pesos but the authorities / bar owners refuse to do these checks to safeguard the punter,

explain to us how dental i'd determines exact age? you said: "sure way". another sweeping generalization?

[MathewCob]

oralfanatic wrote,

if they do manage to shut down some of the bars, these girls will be selling bunda somewhere, that is 1 thousand % guaranteed. what you will see is a rise in the number of **** girls and a rise in std's and hiv, guaranteed because the authorities will no longer control anything. these girls get health checkups and age verification now, but under your nightmare approach, all this will end. anyone who has been in ac has seen the 'cards' these girls wear if they work in a club.

oralfanatic, i have to totally disagree with you,

the weekly check ups that bar girls receive are a total farce, they are merely a pap smear test (cancer screening test) where a cotton wool bud is wiped on the bar girl's virgina and looked at under a microscope,

it has nothing to do with safe guarding the punter from stds or aids at all,

to test for stds or aids then a blood sample would have to be drawn from the bar girls and sent off to a lab for analisis, which is clearly not the case so does not safe guard the punter in the slightest,

as for the girls being licensed, again another total farce, the only people who gain from licenses is the authorities who take the money, it 100% does not guarantee a girls age or to be able to sell her body, prostitution is 100% illegal in the pi,

the only sure way of determining a girls age is by dental identification same as the authorities use when they rescue **** girls from the bars and costs just a few pesos but the authorities / bar owners refuse to do these checks to safeguard the punter,

as for addressing the rest of your rants, i'll just say, you are clueless my friend, thanks.

[MathewCob]

Westcoast, yes we are reading the same Harry the horse news letter,

As you clearly posted Harry the horse wrote 'Barfines are technically over'

I think that statement says it all in a nut shell,

Of course Harry the horse is not going to slam the barn door fully shut and totally ruin his own business and lively hood so he gently hints that other means may at times be possible, he has to say this to keep the game slightly alive, he would be totally stupid not to as that would mean his own financial ruin,

What we should take from all this is that even an Angeles bar owner who has many vested interests in barfines being easily available is clearly saying things are rapidly changing and barfine is technically over.

[Slippery]

Corn Cobb is coming to town today as per his recent announcement. Keep the door girls inside. Only 2 bars on Fields are permitted to be open at 3:00 pm and taking a girl out of a bar anywhere in town under ANY circumstances is strictly prohibited. I'm personally caught up on my work for a few days so I think I'll grab the Swaggy bus up there so he has somebody to confirm his newest findings and information.

[OralFanatic]

mc. i don't know who you are, but you are not a true member of this community. you are working with ijm, preda or some other holier than thou organization. your 'efforts' will make things worse, not better. i said in one of my previous posts, shut down the catholic church and end corruption in the philippines and then you'll be on the path to ending prostitution in the pi. the catholic church and other religious fanatics such as yourself are responsible for the overpopulation (and therefore extreme poverty) in the philippines and the primary reason filipina's turn to scenes like this to support the offspring they couldn't afford to have in the first place. if the catholic church would permit birth control in any form, you wouldn't see the overpopulation in the pi and maybe people could better afford to feed their children. look in the mirror (mc) to see the real culprit behind prostitution; people like you are to blame.

this effort to end prostitution is laughable and people like mc will only cause more harm. you don't have to look any further than the us to find an example of what happens when le cracks down on prostitution; they simply drive it to other areas. you don't really think for a nanosecond you can end the world's oldest profession do you? these filipinas will still need to eat and they won't be able to survive on the income from sewing shit so they'll still be selling bunda. only it won't be in a controlled environment, it will be on the street, dia, tagged, cl, or any other source that spreads it out so much the authorities won't stand a chance. look at the us and cl and backpage. i remember picking up sw's right in front of a police car just 10 years ago in some areas. the authorities cracked down and now the girls need to be more discrete if they're 'walking' but they can turn to other venues to sell their wares. the authorities didn't even slow it down here and you and your ilk have zero chance of ending prostitution in the philippines. if they can't slow it down here, what makes you think they can stop it in the poverty stricken pi?

if they do manage to shut down some of the bars, these girls will be selling bunda somewhere, that is 1 thousand % guaranteed. what you will see is a rise in the number of **** girls and a rise in std's and hiv, guaranteed because the authorities will no longer control anything. these girls get health checkups and age verification now, but under your nightmare approach, all this will end. anyone who has been in ac has seen the 'cards' these girls wear if they work in a club. these cards are issued by a angeles city hall employee who only does so after verifying the girls age using pi government documents. if any of these girls are **** and have a card, why aren't they arresting city hall employees too? they are complicit.

wait until you push all these girls into the street scene and see how much worse you will make things. someone needs to name a communicable disease after you mc.

[WestCoast1]

For the 5-6 forum members that are constantly saying / posting all is well and the same as before in Angeles bars and barfines are available in the bars might want to read Harry the horse September 2013 news letter,

Funny how Harry the horse who has lived in Angeles city for over 20 years and is an Angeles bar / hotel owner (so has plenty to lose) who writes a monthly news letter on all that is happening in Angeles agree 100% with what I been saying all along which is absolutely no bar fines are available in Angeles city As of the last couple of months.

No Harry is not saying that. Read on:

As for Mr Cobb, his basis premise that this is not business as usual seems correct and Harry's the Horse's recent comments, though nuanced, affirm this. SNIP.

Are bar fines gone? Technically, yes! Is Fields Ave dead? No, No and No, at least not yet. For every problem there is a solution, lets see what the rest of the year is like. Are you safe here Bruce? Yes. Is it different in Barrio Barretto? For now, yes. Remember one thing Bruce, the ladies here are still better looking, friendlier and speak better English then in other locations. Don't give up on AC, not just yet anyway and by the way, the Stickman comment about the age difference of ladies in the hotels is inaccurate. It is applicable to ladies under 18. Maybe the Stickman is trying to drum up business for Pattaya and Bangkok)"

Thank you, thank you, thank you 787 for posting part of Harry's September newsletter. Matt, are you and I reading the same newsletter? Harry is saying that while the barfine is dead (or dying) , other methods of getting around the barfine (pay directly to the bar on the bill) are in place. Below is a letter written to Harry, and his response (in bold) :

The bar scene, as we KNEW it, Harry, I'm afraid. Is GONE, Over! (Gone with the Wind) , and we will have to re-invent, reorganize everything, We'll have to be. Smarter, more ingenious, (luckier?) , than the Cops, CIDG, IJM, etc, if we hope to survive, at all! As it stands now, the deck is STACKED against the Bar owner, and poor girls, as well. Not good, at all, Harry. Let's try another way to play the old game, shall we, before we 'fold' our cards. And go home! Take care, my friend! Danny Long. (Kenny Rogers sang, 'know when to fold them' and right now the game is still on. Deal the cards!)

From Harry, another writer asks Harry about the situation, and Harry's response (from the same September newsletter) :

Do you think in Sept. You could relate a little more about this strange phenomena like as what is the new SOP now besides down-home charm and good-smellin breath? In relation to the customer and the apple of his eye? Wow, the girls must be really pissed. Some of us only get down there once every year or so and would like to get a feel ahead of time before we land on what to expect. Thanks as always for the great circular and all the best to you. Joe (Joe, the rules are a bit different now but where there is a will, there is a way. I walked Fields Ave one night last month and I can assure you that you will still be able to enjoy your visit here. Just don't ask me for details)

When Harry says: "Don't ask me for details", he is hinting at the alternative barfine methods (ie. 10 drinks, paying the next morning, etc). Un hombre loco. Am I missing something?

[Western787]

I returned from AC a week ago. Here were my experiences. One bar (on Fields) used the term "bar fine." They added the cost directly to my bill. One bar (on Fields) had me hand the money directly to the girl (in the bar). She then went upstairs, divided the cash between her and the house, changed and exited with me. One bar (on Perimeter) had me order 10 shots of some swill in exchange for exiting with a lovely lady. The two bars that didn't use the term "bar fine" corrected me when I said it aloud."No bar fine sir." Without taking another breath, however, they then explained to me what I need to do if I wanted company for the evening. I met two bar managers. Both Australian. Who were quite nice. Each one bought me a drink after I had purchased one for myself and a few drinks for the girls (some of the bars have 100p drinks for their cherry girls. It's quite reasonable really. You get a little company at a reduced price and the house is grateful). As always, the beauty of the girls ranged from "not even for free" to "too pretty to be working in a bar." In truth, most girls fell somewhere in the middle. Even with it raining for 4 straight days, AC was alive and well. The only way you are not getting laid in this city is if you try not to. The people who don't read this board would find the conversations around the end of times in Angeles to be hysterical. I am sure they hope you all stay away. More for them.

Actually the "hysteria" for years on this issue has come from the [CodeWord908] zealots, who now have total control of US State. Meanwhile the mainstream media continues to parrot back every ginned up, half baked, or literally made up "stat" without even a cursory review of any of these claims. If the NGO's had their way, they would shut down all P4P worldwide under the guise that only a (arguably ignorant and intellectually inferior)"trafficked" or "self trafficked" woman would ever engage in such an act. Since they can't get that, the next best strategy is to claim that bar fines in and of themselves are proof of trafficking regardless of age, but I don't even think Philippino authorites over the longer term are quite ready to buy that nonsense either. I suspect at some point govt authorties will push back basically saying "if the girl is 18 or over and she gives consent, the presumption is she's not trafficked" But understandably they are now trying to play both sides of the fence to keep the radicals running US State happy. Meanwhile "[CodeWord908]" basically can mean anything the govt says it means.

As for Mr Cobb, his basis premise that this is not business as usual seems correct and Harry's the Horse's recent comments, though nuanced, affirm this.

"Bruce, I see you provided a couple of links, one to an article about 30+p girls being 'rescued' in a club in Manila. Note the use of IMJ again. Then a second link to 'Stickman' who writes a column in Bangkok and then after a few days of visiting in AC declares the end of 'mongering' here and advises no one to visit anymore. Then you ask what I think? I believe I wrote enough of my opinions in last months column and do not want to repeat myself to death. You say the Orchid Inn group has not responded to your question. Well, they are like me and every other bar owner here, no one knows the future for sure. Has the economics of Angeles City progressed to such heights that it is no longer necessary to fleece the Golden Goose? Maybe! Are those in powerful political positions rich enough now from other sources that those golden eggs are no longer needed? Maybe. Do some local law enforcement agencies still need a bit of petty cash from the Goose? It appears so. Are the girls scared? For sure! Are bar fines gone? Technically, yes! Is Fields Ave dead? No, No and No, at least not yet. For every problem there is a solution, lets see what the rest of the year is like. Are you safe here Bruce? Yes. Is it different in Barrio Barretto? For now, yes. Remember one thing Bruce, the ladies here are still better looking, friendlier and speak better English then in other locations. Don't give up on AC, not just yet anyway and by the way, the Stickman comment about the age difference of ladies in the hotels is inaccurate. It is applicable to ladies under 18. Maybe the Stickman is trying to drum up business for Pattaya and Bangkok)"

[MathewCob]

Westcoast, thanks for the maybe I could have a point vote LOL,

You asked why some bars might be able to still offer barfines while some are raided,

I really have no exact answer or knowledge if some bars are being given special treatment, I have not heard or seen of any.

Seems to me that the mayor has laid down the law to all the bars equally, almost all the big bars have stopped barfines but maybe some small bars are still offering a work around (pay girl later, buying multiple drinks) and taking the chance rather than certain bars having immunity.

All I can tell you for sure is of the 15 or so most popular Fields bars I visited on my last bar hop none had barfines available of any type.

Are there bars going against the mayors wishes, I'm sure there are a very few, but my gut feeling says that they will be raided in the not too distant future too.

I'm leaving for the Philippines and maybe a short Angeles visit in few hours time, I will ask around the bar owners I know and the many ex pats and try to see if any bars are getting special treatment and report if I get any imfo.