Falling for a hooker

[OldSchool318]

Wow I am shocked that the story you wrote does not have more responses.

Couple questions.

1) why was marriage such a focus?

2) what countries were involved?

3) what country did you try to bring them to?

4) what country did you do time in?

I truly love them hoes and have had longer term friendships with many and definitely fallen for a few.

But it seems you really tried to turn them to wives.

[XViking]

I married a foreign escort girl, were married 15 years, 2 kids. After the divorce, tried once again but failed, though 3 times was close to second marriage, all 3 also international. Below are some tips.

The first and foremost, get rid of the wrong and misguiding stereotype of a Third World woman created by the Western mass media. We hear, see and read from everywhere about poor, measurable women in the Third World struggling for survival, desperate and restricted to the alternative of prostitution or suicide. All bullshit.

Regarding good looking girls, including single mothers, the real life is the opposite. For them all the world (Africa, Thailand, the Philippines, etc) is a paradise. None is hungry for money, none gives a shit on moving to the developed world.

They enjoy their lives, they have there family and friends, they study and go to gym, they rent apartments and share with none, they buy whatever they like, and discos, salons and pools are their weekly entertainment.

So, if you are brainwashed by the media, and you think, "Wow, I am going to save one desperate lady, I would treat her like princess, I would care for her and all her family, and she would kiss me. " her reply would be "go f. Yourself".

They do not look for humanitarian help and they do not look for a savior. They look for equal relations. They look first and foremost what person you are, before how much you earn or where you live. One of her first qiestions would be whether you like dancing, though she would not leave you if you don't. They are more patient than their Western counterparts, they can tolerate that you are much older, ugly, boring and communicate with google translate. But they would not tolerate any kind of domination and even attempt might be fatal for the relations.

The latter point is crucial. If she agrees to marry you, it does not mean she agrees to have sex with you every week or try anything beyond missionary. Discuss the subject in advance to see if you can bridge the expectations gap.

Those willing to send money, a bit of pre-surveillance might be useful for you. Once I learned that her ex is not ex but strong present and they look like a couple in honeymoon. Do not contact private detectives, they would charge huge amount, do terrible work, demand extra payment before sending photos and videos and, if you refuse, threaten sending the material to the client. Just another girl from the same dating site from the same city or taxi driver would do a perfect job for 100 $ per day.

Those willing to adopt a kid, the first thing the authorities would ask both in her and your countries is father permit. The girl would always say it is not problem, only to talk to the father. Then anything can be. Once I got murder threats from the father. Before marrying, invite the girl with her kid to visit your country and see if she can travel abroad. This method saved me from one doomed marriage.

If she says she is pregnant from you, do not send money before the DNA test. Evidence of pregnancy is not enough, she can be really pregnant but from someone else. Once fell here, damage 4000 $. At the end she said the kid was born but died the next day from respiration failure. I asked papers from the hospital, then threatened her with investigation, and she told the truth. She really was pregnant but gave birth 5 months earlier. Did not sue her for 4000 $ and we are still in contact.

All girls agree for a marriage contract regarding the material side, never had this kind of problem. But at the advanced stage, you are in a worse danger. If she complains she married you for citizenship and slept with you for citizenship, a Western judge would make serial rape of it. Served for it 4 years in jail. Got beaten by sticks, stabbed in breast and stomack, stoned in head and one hand was fractured. If it comes there, break into punitive isolator. The best way to break into isolator is hunger strike; if urgent, attack another inmate.

All the way however I never regretted marrying an escort girl and I still try my best to repeat. I was fated to be one of the vast Western community of incels (see them on Wikipedia). I fought the fate and defeated it several times. I had the best sex with the best girls and I have two kids out of it. They are cute as their mother, not ugly like me.

So good luck to those who still want to try.

[DoomBringer321]

The other day I was chilling and shit and ma main man, Mr. Fox called as usual we chit-chatted and shit he is one of the friends of my hommie gringo loco amazing human being 76 years old hope he lives 76 more years. So he spend several days in my house because of the social situations going on in the US it's almost impossible for what people now called sis gender male, in other words, a regular man to "date" women in the US. Don't get me wrong if he concentrated he could, in theory, he could get plenty of pussy but why would he want to, and then the question becomes at what cost. Allow me the opportunity to enlighten you evolved primates and explain women in today's age expect for some reason good old fashion romance, if you read most statistics women are "settling down" at a greater age than in the past and are wondering why men are no longer paying attention to them, the west has made it criminal to be masculine there are some states in the union where it's illegal to "cat call" or approach a woman so why would men risk embarrassment, humiliation and possible criminal prosecution to get what exactly, a woman with an unfeminine attitude that does not know how to cater to a man, a woman that does not exactly let a man lead or know how to be quiet and is constantly out of pocket. So he did what an increasing number of men are doing in today's age traveling to find a good feminine woman, Mr. Fox immediately hooked up in Ecuador with a young 19-year-old named Janina from https://partyecuador.com/ according to him the sex was amazing the problem is that in a few days he was with her he started catching feeling for this woman who biologically is old enough to be his daughter he is 42 she is 19, the problem with these kinds of issues is the lack of appropriate socialization with men in the west, in Latin America if you want a woman to be your side piece say it, if you want her to be one of the girls in your rotation say that as well if you want her to be your main woman tell her, women in Latin America are wired differently because of culture so they want a man to lead and will attempt to accommodate him if they don't like the arrangement they will leave it's that simple.

Mr. Fox confessed to me he had dated in the US because of the above-stated reason so he dates when he travels, the scarcity mindset is what makes people try to lock down a woman when instead of feeling that she is one in a million, in reality, she is one of the millions keep that in mind players when you are out and about your business.

[ILikeButts]

1. love. One way, I am a love sick puppy for her. The one who loves the least holds the power in a relationship.

2. I would love to have a child with her. She was interested, off and on.

3. I enjoy having her around, the sound of her voice, her vibe. I do not want to lose her.

Now, 10 days ago, I lost her to a younger guy. I do not think he will pay her bills like I did, I do not think he cares about her, nor has the money. Time will tell, she has done this to me twice each spring for the last 2 years. She will probably realize I was the best for her, in 2-3 months and want me back like before. Will I take her back? Yes, probably, but only as a PPM. She is not wife material. But I let down my guard with her and she took advantage of me.

You are definitely pedestalizing her. I've been there but it is always a mistake. She might be wonderful but there are plenty of others who could make you just as happy. Since you are an experienced sugar daddy this will be super easy for you. Go on seeking, set up a bunch of dates and bang 5 or 6 new girls. Just one after the other, in rapid succession preferably all within a month's time. Basically audition girls to be your new SB and let them know that is what you are doing.

At the end of that month I bet you will feel very differently about the one who left and you probably will have a new SB.

[OldSchool318]

I love them WG.

Fall in love in the moment. (loveliest) with almost all of them. Regardless of size, beauty, status, pro, semi pro, streetwalker, casa girl, American career broads. Don't matter.

The real trick is being able to move on or just not get that close. Or do it, but know when and how to step back. And I'm learning, I think.

[DramaFree11]

I almost thought about marriage, and we talked a lot about it. We were together for 5 years plus. She was all for it and the moment it all started falling apart really was when I mentioned we would have to have a pre nup. I have had a semi successful life that is in progress. I explained I do not know what the future holds, and I believe in love but I must protect all that I have worked to achieve.

Well. That started us to ruin. After I went back home and soon I heard there was no future. And that I really only wanted prostitutes (kind of true) blah blah blah. I was ok with that. The love had run its course.

I'm not telling you what to do or anyone, but the dreams and aspirations do not always align with yours. Make sure you protect yourself and you are not looked at as a huge payday by the lady you think you love.

I am not against love or marriage, but I have given way too much money to lawyers over the years, since I am self employed. I am way up, with the work my attorney has done for me, honestly my lawyer is like a dad to me. (Expensive, but he is a great role model), , but legal battles get old fast, stressful, and expensive, even if you win. Hell, yes, you need to protect yourself. Even If I had no money I would still make her sign a Pre-Nup.

[OldSchool318]

1. love. One way, I am a love sick puppy for her. The one who loves the least holds the power in a relationship.

It's a tough spot to be in, Start listeningTo Sandman On YouTube, Start with his earlier Posts, Cheers


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z66RKOeHGhk

I almost thought about marriage, and we talked a lot about it. We were together for 5 years plus. She was all for it and the moment it all started falling apart really was when I mentioned we would have to have a pre nup. I have had a semi successful life that is in progress. I explained I do not know what the future holds, and I believe in love but I must protect all that I have worked to achieve.

Well. That started us to ruin. After I went back home and soon I heard there was no future. And that I really only wanted prostitutes (kind of true) blah blah blah. I was ok with that. The love had run its course.

I'm not telling you what to do or anyone, but the dreams and aspirations do not always align with yours. Make sure you protect yourself and you are not looked at as a huge payday by the lady you think you love.

[Sailor501]

1. love. One way, I am a love sick puppy for her. The one who loves the least holds the power in a relationship.

It's a tough spot to be in, Start listeningTo Sandman On YouTube, Start with his earlier Posts, Cheers


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z66RKOeHGhk

[NeilGeorge]

Curious, if you are not having babies, and just want a companion why not just do that? Why marriage?

Unless, I was going to spend everyday for the rest of my life or at least we were making babies just my opinion but I don't see any good in doing that.

1. love. One way, I am a love sick puppy for her. The one who loves the least holds the power in a relationship.

2. I would love to have a child with her. She was interested, off and on.

3. I enjoy having her around, the sound of her voice, her vibe. I do not want to lose her.

Now, 10 days ago, I lost her to a younger guy. I do not think he will pay her bills like I did, I do not think he cares about her, nor has the money. Time will tell, she has done this to me twice each spring for the last 2 years. She will probably realize I was the best for her, in 2-3 months and want me back like before. Will I take her back? Yes, probably, but only as a PPM. She is not wife material. But I let down my guard with her and she took advantage of me.

[Elvis 2008]

Wondering if any of these Sugar Baby relationships have worked out and transitioned to marriage? I was involved with one from SA for 3 years and she agreed to marry me after year 2.5 however recently dumped me for a younger guy. I will not give my age, but I am in low 60's and she in upper 20's. Any success stories?

NG,

I have had several sugar baby types interested in marriage. I was engaged with a woman whom I met on SA. I think we would have made it if she had been able to move and been with me more quickly. When I say "make it", I mean make it to marriage. After that, it would have been a disaster.

I thought with Latins the age difference would not be as much as there was with Americans, and there has not been as much difference, but there has still been quite a bit. My most serious sugar baby is thrilled with the idea of marriage but I am not. She has had to keep her family, who are well off, away from asking me for financial gifts, and she has done all she can to show me that she is not about money, but it is not a good deal for me even if she can make six figures a year which I think she can.

Thing that was depressing about my engagement is that just like with my wife, the sex went to shit. It is like there is a point with a woman where they just quit having to try to impress you sexually. I thought it may have been me than I remembered Chris Rock's routine about how every married man gets the same lazy ass blowjob. What was even better evidence was that a woman plotted female desire in relationships and showed how quickly it tails off.

I went through a phase where I was at a loss as to what to do. I seemed to be happier seeing multiple women at once and certainly that was more sexually and emotionally fulfilling than being with one woman but I thought that I wanted a so called legitimate relationship, but the people in these "legitimate relationships" are usually not happy and have shitty sex lives.

What clinched marriage being a bad deal for me was the book of numbers: Analyzing the ROI on the pursuit of women. To me, it showed how fruitless the conventional pursuit of women was.

In fact, what has been most fun has been challenging the conventional structure of what relationships should be. The notion that women only want one man has gone out the window. I just went to Cancun with two women and had a ball, maybe the best trip of my life. The women were not jealous but rather happier not having to talk to just one other person and I found that refreshing as well. That they both were bi helped as well. The sex was off the fucking chain and may have been the best of my life. I am sorry. I do not care how great the woman is but after a few days you are going to get tired of one another.

IMO hookers are cheaper and almost always better sexually than wives or GFs. Thing is that when you go to sugar baby status you can have the intimate wife or GF sex with the emotional component and not have to commit. To me, that is better. Sugar babies are a middle ground between the hookers and GF / wives. You get the sex, the intimacy, and the positive but not negative emotional parts of a relationship. If you cannot keep things fresh with a woman, and this lack of freshness is known as the Coolidge effect, then you move on to someone else, no hard feelings.

What I have learned after studying nature is that is pretty close to normal mammalian behavior. I got caught off guard when women would say "I am yours". It is a turn on but it really was not that comment that was a such a turn on. What mattered is that they were in the moment and performed with me. I do not care what the women do when I am not around. Other guys would say your sugar baby is off fucking someone else. So? I care that she is fucking and sucking me good. In fact, it is the monogamous relationships where the sex seems to be the worst.

There is a manosphere phrase that says, "She is not yours. She is your turn. " The whole concept of ownership is old school. She takes your name but in so doing, she is able to take 50% of your wealth. When she can voluntarily leave, take 50% of your wealth, and your children, she is NOT yours. With marriage, government sets the rules. With a sugar relationship, you do.

As for it being my turn, I do not want to hang around hot 20 somethings all the time and listen to them drone on about what is not important. I often want to hang with men my own age and for them to hang with their female friends. When I was with my two women, I got to avoid the shit I hate the most, "Honey, how does this look on me?" Shit, that is a question for other women not me. I will invest in their beauty but I do not want to be a whipping post when the women are not happy with their looks. It is a million times better to have another woman answer the "how does this look on me" question.

So, in short, NG, I could have had the "success" with marriage in a sugar relationship many times, but I chose not to. To me, the why is simple. If I am going to pay for a relationship, why should I be paying for one where there is pretty much a guarantee of having a shitty sex life? Why not pay for one where I am going to be sexually happy?

That may be shallow but if being in a real relationship means being deep and unhappy, I will take shallow and happy every fucking time. What is important, my happiness or the happiness of society? Truth is what I have found is that when you are really happy, society is happy for you.

[OldSchool318]

Wondering if any of these Sugar Baby relationships have worked out and transitioned to marriage? I was involved with one from SA for 3 years and she agreed to marry me after year 2.5 however recently dumped me for a younger guy. I will not give my age, but I am in low 60's and she in upper 20's. Any success stories?

Curious, if you are not having babies, and just want a companion why not just do that? Why marriage?

Unless, I was going to spend everyday for the rest of my life or at least we were making babies just my opinion but I don't see any good in doing that.

[NeilGeorge]

Wondering if any of these Sugar Baby relationships have worked out and transitioned to marriage? I was involved with one from SA for 3 years and she agreed to marry me after year 2.5 however recently dumped me for a younger guy. I will not give my age, but I am in low 60's and she in upper 20's. Any success stories?

[MrClen]

Are you are thinking you are solely responsible for her looseness? A pussy is going to expand to fit the largest cock. So if it was 'loose' on you then unfortunately for you there was probably also a larger cock doing some of the work. It's good to share the load I guess.

I see many reports dealing with penis size, but none really dealing with the size of the box it goes in. Average penis size varies by country and of course by Genetics. Wonder if there are studies of pussy size versus the same criteria??

[OldSchool318]

I posted last year asking about this.

Here is what I learned as I travel often and am lucky to get to indulge quite a bit with variety.

I fell in love with a lady from Latin America. Even arranged my life to live in that country for a minute.

After I left to go back home even though we had an amazing time, she broke up with me. Here is what my thoughts are on it.

#1 working girls are used to being rewarded. It is all they understand. Even if they truly love you and I know this one did, she still has needs and an understanding of how to get those needs.

#2 While we were together she never left my side. Never other dudes, no issues nothing like that. It was like a married wife. But when I would leave she would act funky (I. E. Losing her phone at night, staying in places she should not be, hanging with women that she would not bring around when we were together). I told her we did not need to be exclusive but she would swear by it. I would rather have an open honest relationship then pretend to be exclusive. However, I think saving face is a big part of it.

#3 It was always a "you don't do this for me" and I felt she could be ungrateful. I came to the realization, the man while she could love was only meant for providing. We had a lot of fun and a great time and our relations were over a few years, but there was always a feeling of her thinking I am not putting her first.

#4 You can trust them. To a point. You have to know their limitations. My woman literally would do anything for me. And her and her fam love me to this day I do know this. But, she is still a woman who was a high end escort and knows she can return to that at anytime. That temptation is very very hard to overcome.

Conclusion:

Don't marry them and don't make any promises that you can't keep. Understand that no matter how much she loves you, it is a different culture, different pressures, and different life. I would instead recommend a relationship as one of generosity while I am there but an honest understanding.

[FastFuck]

I once fell for a hooker from Angeles. I even visited the home village and was treated like royalty. But I came to my senses and left before tentacles were wrapped. About 5 years later, out of curosity, I hired a phillipine investigator to look for her. Bonus for identification. She was in her village but with 2 more kids in addition to the one she had. She also looked 20 years older. Don't fall in love with a bar girl. I see couples in Australia like that and they always look miserable. On the other hand, I know couples who met through more usual circumstances and most of these work out OK.

And how old was she is reality?