FKK Oceans Düsseldorf

[Pistons]

I believe the "Oceans going under" statement was in reaction to you saying that the club would fall into oblivion if everyone skips the club. I think most people here would not mind if Oceans disappeared, after all, this club ruined the 75 E hour. It's done enough damage to the NRW scene.

Maybe if you only take 1 HR rooms. Sure. But on the other hand, it may be best to not have this option in NRW also since it would have brought in too many tourists. At least if you would be competing with set tourists and not having the girls know you. And that could have had far worse consequences. If the girls want to hunt easy money Asian, American and Asian American tourists, there is always sharks and Oase. Oceans might want to be the Sharks / Oase of nrw, but it lacks the clientelle. Girls there don't like it and want the easy money Asian tourists. A few even told me they are considering turning into Asian huntresses because of the easier money. So they ask me where to find the most Asians. In the end it is a balance. What we do know is that Asians like blonde hair, slim legs, and care more about internet reviews and flock think, than their own experiences. And that's where we are at the moment. Girls in NRW want to stay in NRW. Girls in Hessen wants to stay in Hessen. Locals in Hessen advertise Hessen clubs in trade for cheaper entry from having tourists pay the girls so they get discounts for themselves. And the rest of us just have to navigate a messed up environment where mongers and girls are stuck and not enough on the road.

[Pistons]

There are good and bad Turks like every nationality. As long as they are nice, there is absolutely no problem. Same goes with Germans or Russians. You find both types of both kinds. But as long as management knows how to handle people, it is less of an issue. But that may require bouncers with real balls. Not lame ass bouncers. Some clubs are better at this than other clubs. Interestingly though one or two of the girls I know are dating two bouncers. I guess with all the crazy men that comes to these clubs they like to feel safe. Too bad bouncers probably take drugs in some clubs too. I know a former strongman who took a bit too much. Now he is on life support by taking testosterone supplements every day. His body stopped producing it. So showing big muscles is not all. Any shortcut fucks them over, and it definitely make you less potent at fucking. Long term. Plus all that blood goes to the wrong muscle. But a job is a job. The bouncer that impressed me the most is our Artemis guy who took an air shot to the thigh. Crazy Russians.

[Sirioja]

Well I rather feel Oceans is taking talent from clubs like phg, dv, magnum and maybe vv. Phg at least seemed like it was singing on its last verse. Then again, upkeep at some of these clubs may not be the highest. And compare it to phg for example, there is a long long long way left before Oceans would go under. To me it wouldn't be too bad if 3 of these other clubs went under in favor of Oceans and maybe one more.

I suppose we just have to live with there being a few Turkish oriented bad service clubs in NRW given the demographics in the area. In 20 years NRW will be Turkeystan 2.0 anyway. And rumors are even lr is getting more and more low demanding Turkish clients. Same with Samya and even Acapulco.

What we can do about it: just talk to the girls before going to the room and be upfront about not going with them if they hold back on stuff.

NRW is not worse than Hessen. If you saw the difference at World between Winter 2014/2015 when there were drunk Russians, drinking beer all night in jacuzzi, and Summer 2015. No more Russians, but Turkish. They arrived at Sharks on Winter 2015/2016, and now at Oase shisha.

LR became also on beginning of 2017, only GT is not invaded.

Aca Velbert, Samya, PHG which was bought by Magnum management, are Turkish clubs. Oceans is also full of at night.

I had 2 great girls at PHG, many at Aca Velbert, 3 really good girls at Samya, unfortunately 0 at Oceans. Superb Emma. De was not kissing at Oceans, but I had a really GFE room with her at LR, when my regular was at home.

[Samson Monger]

Well I rather feel Oceans is taking talent from clubs like phg, dv, magnum and maybe vv. Phg at least seemed like it was singing on its last verse. Then again, upkeep at some of these clubs may not be the highest. And compare it to phg for example, there is a long long long way left before Oceans would go under. To me it wouldn't be too bad if 3 of these other clubs went under in favor of Oceans and maybe one more.

I suppose we just have to live with there being a few Turkish oriented bad service clubs in NRW given the demographics in the area. In 20 years NRW will be Turkeystan 2.0 anyway. And rumors are even lr is getting more and more low demanding Turkish clients. Same with Samya and even Acapulco.

What we can do about it: just talk to the girls before going to the room and be upfront about not going with them if they hold back on stuff.

I believe the "Oceans going under" statement was in reaction to you saying that the club would fall into oblivion if everyone skips the club. I think most people here would not mind if Oceans disappeared, after all, this club ruined the 75 E hour. It's done enough damage to the NRW scene.

The problem with Oceans going under rather than the other clubs is that you would still have to deal with the Oceans backwards management.

[Pistons]

If the management doesn't do something to improve their venue, I don't think it would be a terrible thing if Oceans went under. Those 100 or so girls would disperse to other clubs and some of the better looking ones may learn to stop upselling and give better service.

Well I rather feel Oceans is taking talent from clubs like phg, dv, magnum and maybe vv. Phg at least seemed like it was singing on its last verse. Then again, upkeep at some of these clubs may not be the highest. And compare it to phg for example, there is a long long long way left before Oceans would go under. To me it wouldn't be too bad if 3 of these other clubs went under in favor of Oceans and maybe one more.

I suppose we just have to live with there being a few Turkish oriented bad service clubs in NRW given the demographics in the area. In 20 years NRW will be Turkeystan 2.0 anyway. And rumors are even lr is getting more and more low demanding Turkish clients. Same with Samya and even Acapulco.

What we can do about it: just talk to the girls before going to the room and be upfront about not going with them if they hold back on stuff.

[ExpatLover]

Options are not fantastic in NRW. Most clubs have few girls most guys would go with. So discussing the best NRW club is usually like discussing the lesser of the worsts. I think that is the key here. And then it comes down to luck and perhaps YMMV. There are pros and cons with every club. Indeed it was weird if the bartender said what he said.

Sometimes I only find 2 girls at Oceans also. Maybe 3. Sometimes 7-8. Up and down like most clubs in the area. But it seems to be the best club at recruiting new girls. Their retention rate is however a disaster. Like the young new hottie who said on first day she was not kissing, so we skipped her. Then she came to me and said she was kissing after all. 2 days later she had left the club. Touche really. But a problem is that most of the girls who is leaving the club, even some of whom did great service, are not to be found again in the other NRW clubs. So it really sucks how it just doesn't work for them in terms of retaining customers. The entry policy is a massive blunder indeed. And new girls might need some better inputs, especially when working with non-Turkish. Too bad the Turkish are so low on demands, but what can we do? If everyone skips a club, it falls further into oblivion. Better be hard on a few girls, and some might come back like the young new hottie did to me with a changed mind. It can be a minefield for sure, but perhaps some of us are better at handling that, and don't just go for the easy 100 e rooms in sharks and Oase, making repeats with the same theatre girls over and over. If they like you, they also like you for a 50.

Better you buy a mountain bike))).

[Sirioja]

At the moment, some pretty girls at Velbert, prettier than Lucy for me.

On west Duss to NL border, fortunately can find few pretty girls with high service level. Still higher service level in NRW than Hessen, for me, but now it will be time for Switzerland, closer to ski, before returning to Hamburg after ski. FKK land have potential with Hamburg, NRW, YY, Hessen, Switzerland and Wellcum.

Also top Russian escorts back in Paris. No need to worry about lack of pleasure.

[Escape Artist]

Options are not fantastic in NRW. Most clubs have few girls most guys would go with. So discussing the best NRW club is usually like discussing the lesser of the worsts. I think that is the key here. And then it comes down to luck and perhaps YMMV. There are pros and cons with every club. Indeed it was weird if the bartender said what he said.

Sometimes I only find 2 girls at Oceans also. Maybe 3. Sometimes 7-8. Up and down like most clubs in the area. But it seems to be the best club at recruiting new girls. Their retention rate is however a disaster. Like the young new hottie who said on first day she was not kissing, so we skipped her. Then she came to me and said she was kissing after all. 2 days later she had left the club. Touche really. But a problem is that most of the girls who is leaving the club, even some of whom did great service, are not to be found again in the other NRW clubs. So it really sucks how it just doesn't work for them in terms of retaining customers. The entry policy is a massive blunder indeed. And new girls might need some better inputs, especially when working with non-Turkish. Too bad the Turkish are so low on demands, but what can we do? If everyone skips a club, it falls further into oblivion. Better be hard on a few girls, and some might come back like the young new hottie did to me with a changed mind. It can be a minefield for sure, but perhaps some of us are better at handling that, and don't just go for the easy 100 e rooms in sharks and Oase, making repeats with the same theatre girls over and over. If they like you, they also like you for a 50.

Fair enough, to say that optically Oceans' line up is not so bad in comparison to NRW clubs, I can buy that. And you are right, it has a fairly large lineup with a lot of new faces every time I go. The problem is that it still has NRW level optics with Hessen style upsell.

If the management doesn't do something to improve their venue, I don't think it would be a terrible thing if Oceans went under. Those 100 or so girls would disperse to other clubs and some of the better looking ones may learn to stop upselling and give better service.

[Pistons]

Options are not fantastic in NRW. Most clubs have few girls most guys would go with. So discussing the best NRW club is usually like discussing the lesser of the worsts. I think that is the key here. And then it comes down to luck and perhaps YMMV. There are pros and cons with every club. Indeed it was weird if the bartender said what he said.

Sometimes I only find 2 girls at Oceans also. Maybe 3. Sometimes 7-8. Up and down like most clubs in the area. But it seems to be the best club at recruiting new girls. Their retention rate is however a disaster. Like the young new hottie who said on first day she was not kissing, so we skipped her. Then she came to me and said she was kissing after all. 2 days later she had left the club. Touche really. But a problem is that most of the girls who is leaving the club, even some of whom did great service, are not to be found again in the other NRW clubs. So it really sucks how it just doesn't work for them in terms of retaining customers. The entry policy is a massive blunder indeed. And new girls might need some better inputs, especially when working with non-Turkish. Too bad the Turkish are so low on demands, but what can we do? If everyone skips a club, it falls further into oblivion. Better be hard on a few girls, and some might come back like the young new hottie did to me with a changed mind. It can be a minefield for sure, but perhaps some of us are better at handling that, and don't just go for the easy 100 e rooms in sharks and Oase, making repeats with the same theatre girls over and over. If they like you, they also like you for a 50.

[Takedown]

I only trust my eyes and brain in FKK land, I let bullshits to other guys.

But what if someone lacks self awareness and is completely unaware of his surroundings?

[Polyamorist]

Only one room was decent and even that room she tried to upcharge for BBBJ. It was salvaged purely by me turning on the most charm I could muster, and 15 min of DATY. Otherwise I would have ZERO positive memories.

Na uzo billah, Takedown! And that was your best of 3! Sorry to hear that.

For me sex is something where both parties put in positive energy. If one person is putting in positive energy and the other is putting in negative energy, that is a con and does not really count as sex. I mean it is not a viable substitute for, well, anything at all including wanking off.

And yet many men and women across Germany are being trained, in clubs like Oceans, to think of this as the new normal. This positive-negative scenario. It grieves me to think these fallen FKKs can still find enough gullible mongers to sell this phony sex to that they can still make a profit.

[Mr Ho]

I do find stunner now and then at oceans, but only after 7 pm ish and only two or three max in lineup.

[BigBuddy69]

HB has just changed name. He was one of the negative posters here on last page. But he is biased heavily towards Hessen, and especially Dietzenbach, the ugly 2 er club.

Are you sure you read his posts? He's not biased towards Dietz at all

[Sirioja]

Pistons,

When my eyes are used to find the prettiest girls in clubs and to get them for regulars, yes I saw pretty girls at Oceans, super blond Emma. De and had a good GFE room with her at LR, superb body Sofia, Simona, Andra, but all 4 answered at Oceans: not kissing, so no room for me at Oceans on 2017. Disappointing room with superb Sierra on 2016. Sierra was at VV on last Summer.

And I hate to be fucked by desk, because I'm not German, so I let Oceans for Germans and Turkish in street clothes.

But keep on visiting if you enjoy, don't listen to others. I only trust my eyes and brain in FKK land, I let bullshits to other guys.

[Sirioja]

Never ever happened to me, even at Paradise in Stuttgart they would return 1 EUR when I handed them 80 EUR for the 79 EUR entrance fee.

It is one of the reasons why I am avoiding Oceans. Not supporting that kind of business model.

At Atlanta Hanau, they never gave me back my 1 € from 20, maybe because I m not German. But had 2 great girls at Atlanta, Dani and ex World superstar, Georgina who was busy at World when Madi was sitting waiting.