FKK Oceans Düsseldorf

[McAdonis]

A recurrent topic amongst my mongering circle is that we high frequency mongers who read and write on forums forget that we are only a small sect of the client base. Most clients, perhaps over 90% just to guess, do not visit 30,40, 50 hookers in a single year. As such, One group of monger that greatly outnumbers the hardcore mongers in Western Germany is the young party guys. These guys probably go to clubs once or twice a month to party and do single quick rooms. On many occasions when I've visited the clubs surrounding Oceans, I've had chats with younger locals and they often rave about Oceans, suggesting that I visit. I know that Oceans is not for me but these conversations are good reminders that older, international sex addicts like myself are such a small portion of the clientele to which these clubs cater.

Most of the younger guys splurge, so they can be decent customers for one night (alcohol and paying the new inflated rates). But these guys are not reliable repeat customers who will come every Saturday night for 52 straight weeks. Nor will they come every day over a two-week span. There entire duration of their stay in the club is between 2-4 hours, and they do not schedule their visits based on when a favorite girl is working (most might not even develop favorites). They coordinate the day of their visit and their arrival time based on friends in their real-life social circle.

This past summer at Penelope, I had a 15-minute conversation with a 24-yo ex-Yugoslavian guy, fit attractive guy who could easily do well in real life with the 18-24 female demographic. He was on his sixth whiskey, and he said normally he preferred Oceans, but today his friends decided on Penelope. He said to me, "I have been waiting for this girl 60 minutes to come out of the room. I don't want to wait, I will choose another". So he went from waiting for one of the more popular girls to grabbing a silicone, tattooed one in her late 20's, early 30's who just happened to walk by. It did not seem like he was disappointed, so I assume the next best available option was not a huge-drop off from his first choice. That or he really did not care.

Hardcore mongers are older, usually more socially isolated so we spend a lot of free time at clubs (weekends, holidays). No problem attending a club lonewolf. No problem waiting 8-12 hours for their beauties, and returning to her weekly / consecutive days.

[BackpackBrian]

Pre 2017 BackpackBrian. If you re-read my post clearly, you would have understood that I visited FKK Oceans in its early days. It opened in Oct 2014, so it was likely then. I did not record this visit in my diary. The club was just coming onto the FKK scene, and it attracted a lot of pretty girls. I turned down a gorgeous Romanian girl wearing a red dress during my one visit. Instead, I hooked up in a duo session with a Russian girl and a Croatian girl. Both were very pretty. You rave about Artemis, but I can tell you these girls were far prettier than anyone I've ever seen during all of my visits to Artemis. Good attitudes and at the time, they were charging the NRW rates. 50 Euros /30 minutes. The duo was 200 Euros for the hour. Double BBBJ included. All but anal sex was on the menu at this price. It is one session I will never forget. The club itself did lack atmosphere, and I mentioned that also. What happened in the 8 years after my visit can only be described as a decline. You can say that about every FKK. So, too bad! You've missed the boat. Now if all the girls, because of the German law have gone into independent escorting, well that is unfortunate. You may have to go that route yourself to find a decent girl. It is about quality, not quantity. You'll have to put in some work. There used to be a few senior posters that used to share info on escorts, but they have been quiet. If they are reading this, I wish them well for their sage advice in the past. German girls are now likely working in Switzerland. Polish girls you can get in Poland. Czech and Russians readily advertise in the Prague escorts sites. Start looking there. You may need to give up on the FKK experience because I think this model is dying based on what I've read recently. Good luck to you.

FiddyCent.

Hi Fiddy.

Thanks for the info.

I've only visited Oceans a couple times in the last couple of years so I wasn't around for their opening to see what it was like in 2014 and how it has changed, if at all, since then.

My only feedback regarding Oceans is that the club didn't feel like a traditional FKK where I could relax, sauna, massage, eat at the buffet, fuck, then repeat. Even though the club had most of these amenities available, except the buffet, the layout with the whirlpool and sauna in plain site of the club floor wasn't private enough for me. My only real complaint, is that 30% of the girls were wearing street clothes (pants, shorts, blouse, etc) and the remaining wore bikini's and I saw no nudity.

About 50% of the girls I spoke with asked for 100 Euro, which is ok considering, but wouldn't do it with BBBJ.

[FunExplorer]

It is not just that first time customers alone go by taxi. I have gone always in taxis to most clubs in Hessen and none demanded more than entry fee including Sharks and Palace. I went by taxi to even to Acapulco three days and paid nothing extra. It is just foolish on part of the owners to be charging a higher fee for customers coming in taxi. That too for shit service and third class girls they have.

The main reason why the FKK owner allow this to happen in my opinion because they thought that people who arrive by taxi are first time customers, non local so it is unlikely to become a repeat customers. In this case it is unlikely to effect their business by collaborating with the taxi drivers providing them with commission taken from the customer pocket.

They thought they got business, customer due to the taxi driver persuaded and convinced them. What They might have forgotten is that the sensible people choice of which FKK to visit are unlikely influenced by the suggestion from the taxi drivers. Most likely it is the choice that had been made by the customer through researching. So whether they give the tips to the taxi driver from the money coming from the customers pocket is irrelevant in decision making which FKK to visit as that choice was made before talking to the taxi driver. Just the opposite, it will give a bad first impression for FKK justifying any meaning to make their customers as a cash cow.

In the past more than a decade ago that was typical approach by many nightclubs in the City centre in Europe. Nowadays many have abandoned these concepts. Some are even specifically have stated that they do not entertain commission for the taxi drivers.

[FiddyCent]

"tell me where have all the good girls gone?

Not sure if this is a joke or you are asking a serious question?

When you say "good girls" I assume you mean young (collage age) good looking women who don't work as hookers full time. Most are in collage, collage age or have some low paying job and need extra cash.

Is this what you mean?

Either way I'll answer as if it's a serious question.

If you look at the 2017 "gummi" law passed by the German Gov't, not only did they outlaw sex without a condom, which drove up prices for BBBJ (ex. Basic w / BBBJ now costs $100 instead of $50), but the law stipulated that all working girls in a sauna club or brothel was required to register with the Gov't. When this happened, many of the young "good girls" that you are curious about left the club scene all together or moved to escorting as they didn't want to be on Gov't record as a prostitute. Add to this all the nasty little Romanian girls and their pimps who came into the EU around 2008 pushing out the German, Polish, Czech, Russian, etc. And we now have the current state of the FKK world.

I can only now reminisce about all the women I used to meet in Artemis and other FKK clubs pre 2010 who came in only on Friday or Saturday to earn some extra cash. It was like having a different girlfriend every weekend! SIGH!

Pre 2017 BackpackBrian. If you re-read my post clearly, you would have understood that I visited FKK Oceans in its early days. It opened in Oct 2014, so it was likely then. I did not record this visit in my diary. The club was just coming onto the FKK scene, and it attracted a lot of pretty girls. I turned down a gorgeous Romanian girl wearing a red dress during my one visit. Instead, I hooked up in a duo session with a Russian girl and a Croatian girl. Both were very pretty. You rave about Artemis, but I can tell you these girls were far prettier than anyone I've ever seen during all of my visits to Artemis. Good attitudes and at the time, they were charging the NRW rates. 50 Euros /30 minutes. The duo was 200 Euros for the hour. Double BBBJ included. All but anal sex was on the menu at this price. It is one session I will never forget. The club itself did lack atmosphere, and I mentioned that also. What happened in the 8 years after my visit can only be described as a decline. You can say that about every FKK. So, too bad! You've missed the boat. Now if all the girls, because of the German law have gone into independent escorting, well that is unfortunate. You may have to go that route yourself to find a decent girl. It is about quality, not quantity. You'll have to put in some work. There used to be a few senior posters that used to share info on escorts, but they have been quiet. If they are reading this, I wish them well for their sage advice in the past. German girls are now likely working in Switzerland. Polish girls you can get in Poland. Czech and Russians readily advertise in the Prague escorts sites. Start looking there. You may need to give up on the FKK experience because I think this model is dying based on what I've read recently. Good luck to you.

FiddyCent.

[Escape Artist]

I have never been to Oceans. I had it on my to-do list, but after reading all of the more recent reports, it just doesn't seem worth it to me. I knew about the cab driver commissions paid out of tourist pockets. That's a low class practice that I don't like. It's disrespectful of your customers but also easily avoided by not taking a taxi directly to the club (and by RTFF before you go so you know about it). But the other thing that I really don't like is that it seems they turned the place into more of a nightclub scene versus an FKK sauna club setting. I go to Germany because I much prefer the latter. Based on all I've learned from RTFF, I think I will pass on Oceans unless things change for the better according to what I like by the time I'm ready to return to Germany.

Oceans will never change and is not the club for hardcore mongers. But it has its niche and will stay open doing what they do.

A recurrent topic amongst my mongering circle is that we high frequency mongers who read and write on forums forget that we are only a small sect of the client base. Most clients, perhaps over 90% just to guess, do not visit 30,40, 50 hookers in a single year. As such, One group of monger that greatly outnumbers the hardcore mongers in Western Germany is the young party guys. These guys probably go to clubs once or twice a month to party and do single quick rooms. On many occasions when I've visited the clubs surrounding Oceans, I've had chats with younger locals and they often rave about Oceans, suggesting that I visit. I know that Oceans is not for me but these conversations are good reminders that older, international sex addicts like myself are such a small portion of the clientele to which these clubs cater. I would even say that we are negligible when owners consider how to conduct business. The 50-100 entries earned from young guys that fill the clubs and buy alcohol every weekend provide a much more consistent and lucrative business model than relying on international tourists to come or even from the dozens of conservative spending 60+ year old guys who may pay entry to spend an entire day and perhaps buy 2 beers.

[Sirioja]

The German politicos have done much to damage what was a good thing for us. We should have known they wouldn't / couldn't just leave it alone. All the pretty German, Polish, and Czech girls have abandoned the FKK scene. Well almost all of them. Artemis used to be a smorgasbord of fornication! Woe is me!

5 years after law, BBBJ is still very standard and even for 50/30 in NRW. Still many Germans in business, I got 5 on this year in Germany for my best German year.

[The Cane]

If you look at the 2017 "gummi" law passed by the German Gov't, not only did they outlaw sex without a condom, which drove up prices for BBBJ (ex. Basic w / BBBJ now costs $100 instead of $50), but the law stipulated that all working girls in a sauna club or brothel was required to register with the Gov't. When this happened, many of the young "good girls" that you are curious about left the club scene all together or moved to escorting as they didn't want to be on Gov't record as a prostitute. Add to this all the nasty little Romanian girls and their pimps who came into the EU around 2008 pushing out the German, Polish, Czech, Russian, etc. And we now have the current state of the FKK world. I can only now reminisce about all the women I used to meet in Artemis and other FKK clubs pre 2010 who came in only on Friday or Saturday to earn some extra cash. It was like having a different girlfriend every weekend! SIGH!

The German politicos have done much to damage what was a good thing for us. We should have known they wouldn't / couldn't just leave it alone. All the pretty German, Polish, and Czech girls have abandoned the FKK scene. Well almost all of them. Artemis used to be a smorgasbord of fornication! Woe is me!

[FunExplorer]

Even though there were no good reports about this club, I chose to go as sometimes my experience has been different in some clubs than reported. As it turned out, it is one the worst clubs to visit.

I have never been to Oceans. I had it on my to-do list, but after reading all of the more recent reports, it just doesn't seem worth it to me. I knew about the cab driver commissions paid out of tourist pockets. That's a low class practice that I don't like. It's disrespectful of your customers but also easily avoided by not taking a taxi directly to the club (and by RTFF before you go so you know about it). But the other thing that I really don't like is that it seems they turned the place into more of a nightclub scene versus an FKK sauna club setting. I go to Germany because I much prefer the latter. Based on all I've learned from RTFF, I think I will pass on Oceans unless things change for the better according to what I like by the time I'm ready to return to Germany.

[BackpackBrian]

Hey TC.

I visited Oceans during its infancy. At the time, they had not even got the saunas operating properly. The layout was well designed, but it lacked atmosphere. There were pretty girls there, for sure. Even then, half the girls were dressed in night gowns. Many were just topless. Fast forward to today. The taxi scam would definitely turn people off, but this is not a new thing. No problems finding the place using public transportation and a brief walk. It was almost like walking from Darmstadt train station to Sharks, for example. If you were looking for an Oase type of atmosphere, it wasn't, but everything was new and classy. Even then, there were many suits in the house. Being in a robe and towel felt awkward. I can say that I had a decent time there, but I would not make it my first choice on a FKK tour. I would agree, it should not be on anyone's priority list. Are they just trying to be a classy nightclub? Who is their client base? Reports are not great across the board, so tell me where have all the good girls gone?

FiddyCent.

"tell me where have all the good girls gone?

Not sure if this is a joke or you are asking a serious question?

When you say "good girls" I assume you mean young (collage age) good looking women who don't work as hookers full time. Most are in collage, collage age or have some low paying job and need extra cash.

Is this what you mean?

Either way I'll answer as if it's a serious question.

If you look at the 2017 "gummi" law passed by the German Gov't, not only did they outlaw sex without a condom, which drove up prices for BBBJ (ex. Basic w / BBBJ now costs $100 instead of $50), but the law stipulated that all working girls in a sauna club or brothel was required to register with the Gov't. When this happened, many of the young "good girls" that you are curious about left the club scene all together or moved to escorting as they didn't want to be on Gov't record as a prostitute. Add to this all the nasty little Romanian girls and their pimps who came into the EU around 2008 pushing out the German, Polish, Czech, Russian, etc. And we now have the current state of the FKK world.

I can only now reminisce about all the women I used to meet in Artemis and other FKK clubs pre 2010 who came in only on Friday or Saturday to earn some extra cash. It was like having a different girlfriend every weekend! SIGH!

[FiddyCent]

I have never been to Oceans. I had it on my to-do list, but after reading all of the more recent reports, it just doesn't seem worth it to me. I knew about the cab driver commissions paid out of tourist pockets. That's a low class practice that I don't like. It's disrespectful of your customers but also easily avoided by not taking a taxi directly to the club (and by RTFF before you go so you know about it). But the other thing that I really don't like is that it seems they turned the place into more of a nightclub scene versus an FKK sauna club setting. I go to Germany because I much prefer the latter. Based on all I've learned from RTFF, I think I will pass on Oceans unless things change for the better according to what I like by the time I'm ready to return to Germany.

Hey TC.

I visited Oceans during its infancy. At the time, they had not even got the saunas operating properly. The layout was well designed, but it lacked atmosphere. There were pretty girls there, for sure. Even then, half the girls were dressed in night gowns. Many were just topless. Fast forward to today. The taxi scam would definitely turn people off, but this is not a new thing. No problems finding the place using public transportation and a brief walk. It was almost like walking from Darmstadt train station to Sharks, for example. If you were looking for an Oase type of atmosphere, it wasn't, but everything was new and classy. Even then, there were many suits in the house. Being in a robe and towel felt awkward. I can say that I had a decent time there, but I would not make it my first choice on a FKK tour. I would agree, it should not be on anyone's priority list. Are they just trying to be a classy nightclub? Who is their client base? Reports are not great across the board, so tell me where have all the good girls gone?

FiddyCent.

[The Cane]

The main reason why the FKK owner allow this to happen in my opinion because they thought that people who arrive by taxi are first time customers, non local so it is unlikely to become a repeat customers. In this case it is unlikely to effect their business by collaborating with the taxi drivers providing them with commission taken from the customer pocket.

They thought they got business, customer due to the taxi driver persuaded and convinced them. What They might have forgotten is that the sensible people choice of which FKK to visit are unlikely influenced by the suggestion from the taxi drivers. Most likely it is the choice that had been made by the customer through researching. So whether they give the tips to the taxi driver from the money coming from the customers pocket is irrelevant in decision making which FKK to visit as that choice was made before talking to the taxi driver. Just the opposite, it will give a bad first impression for FKK justifying any meaning to make their customers as a cash cow.

In the past more than a decade ago that was typical approach by many nightclubs in the City centre in Europe. Nowadays many have abandoned these concepts. Some are even specifically have stated that they do not entertain commission for the taxi drivers.

I have never been to Oceans. I had it on my to-do list, but after reading all of the more recent reports, it just doesn't seem worth it to me. I knew about the cab driver commissions paid out of tourist pockets. That's a low class practice that I don't like. It's disrespectful of your customers but also easily avoided by not taking a taxi directly to the club (and by RTFF before you go so you know about it). But the other thing that I really don't like is that it seems they turned the place into more of a nightclub scene versus an FKK sauna club setting. I go to Germany because I much prefer the latter. Based on all I've learned from RTFF, I think I will pass on Oceans unless things change for the better according to what I like by the time I'm ready to return to Germany.

[Mr Ho]

I was in Dusseldorf in the last week of October and went to Oceans on Saturday evening around 4. 30 PM. Entry was supposed to be Euro 65 but the Receptionist asked me to pay Euro 85 because I arrived by taxi! Having gone there after a long flight, I decided to pay and enter.

I was surprised to find only 4 girls and none of them were good looking. One Romanian girl approached me and when I said I have just arrived and will get back to her, she told me for my information without soliciting that the price is Euro 100 for BBJ and usual covered service but DFK not included which will come at an extra cost! I waited patiently for another one hour but there were no new additions to girls. I decided to leave the club and never to come back again. Went straigt to Acapulco Gold.

You have to get off at Suzuki garage I believe which is one minute walk from oceans, this is what I do and each time, taxi driver shout something at me in German language that I do not understand, but I am sure it is not something nice LOL!

[Adindas]

I'm sorry to hear that, unfortunately you're another example of a tourist getting ripped off, but honestly: didn't you read a single word of what has been posted here for years about this place?!
Getting ripped off for arriving by taxi to this tourist trap s nothing new and was already taking place before the "pandemic" started in 2020.
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The main reason why the FKK owner allow this to happen in my opinion because they thought that people who arrive by taxi are first time customers, non local so it is unlikely to become a repeat customers. In this case it is unlikely to effect their business by collaborating with the taxi drivers providing them with commission taken from the customer pocket.

They thought they got business, customer due to the taxi driver persuaded and convinced them. What They might have forgotten is that the sensible people choice of which FKK to visit are unlikely influenced by the suggestion from the taxi drivers. Most likely it is the choice that had been made by the customer through researching. So whether they give the tips to the taxi driver from the money coming from the customers pocket is irrelevant in decision making which FKK to visit as that choice was made before talking to the taxi driver. Just the opposite, it will give a bad first impression for FKK justifying any meaning to make their customers as a cash cow.

In the past more than a decade ago that was typical approach by many nightclubs in the City centre in Europe. Nowadays many have abandoned these concepts. Some are even specifically have stated that they do not entertain commission for the taxi drivers.

[HammerTime96]

I was in Dusseldorf in the last week of October and went to Oceans on Saturday evening around 4. 30 PM. Entry was supposed to be Euro 65 but the Receptionist asked me to pay Euro 85 because I arrived by taxi! Having gone there after a long flight, I decided to pay and enter.

I'm sorry to hear that, unfortunately you're another example of a tourist getting ripped off, but honestly: didn't you read a single word of what has been posted here for years about this place?!

Getting ripped off for arriving by taxi to this tourist trap s nothing new and was already taking place before the "pandemic" started in 2020.

I did a quick search and here is a random post from October 2019 (more than 3 years ago) about getting ripped off:

For the benefit of the forum; what works better than sarcasm is useful info. Never been at the club. What I read is initially taxi scam, robe scam, energy wasted before even talking to a girl. Then negotiate with girls. The reason I quit Artemis is the same libido killing atmosphere. Dusseldorf is nothing compared to Berlin for recovery days which is bad. It compensates with respectful and nice girls / good service at LR and Gold. Bad vibes kills boner. Then Netflix certainly is a better option for me. You have previously mentioned Lily or Aisha at DV, and at Oceans: Maya or Julia. If you have any remarks on this or new info I would be delighted. And as always reporting will follow, though I sometimes wonder why some members use energy to question my choices, weeks after I have left the clubs.

Here is a post from 2018:

Scam, micro pricing, choose the word the makes you happier. The reason I said scan was because they had the worst sample of the lower priced robe on the table. When I looked at it my thoughts were, I really hope that one is not my size. I never found out because she turned and grabbed me a different robe of the same material. When I got inside, nobody wearing the white robe had on one that looked nearly as bad as the one on the reception table. To me, it's a way of tricking the man into thinking if he takes the cheaper option then he will get that very undesirable robe.

The way they miscommunicate the taxi commission is a scam, micro pricing, if you want. When you drive to the club and they don't recognize you, the immediately bump the price up. If you don't know better, then you pay the extra money. If you ask why it's not the posted price you hear, it's the weekend, it's messed, you came by taxi. If you aren't aware and pay, what do you think happens to this extra unreceipted cash money. The bad part is that this gives an example to the WGs of what level of business is tolerated in the club so the WGs try similar tactics.

When I meet a WG at another club and she says she worked at Oceans, my caution flag goes up. If she says she kisses, I have to verify what type of kissing. If she does normal covered sex I need to verify depth of penetration, what positions and how many changes are included. If she says BJ I need to verify for how many seconds and how much hand. I recently met a beautiful lady who had moved from Oceans. I thought there was no way a session with her could be bad because of the optics. It rates in the top ten worst sessions ever. I'm not saying that everything that's happened to me at Oceans has been bad but the bad out weighs the good.

Seems to me that most people aren't even able to do the most basic kind of searches regarding prices and services included, or RTFF ("Read The Fucking Forum") before they go to a club: hence getting ripped off by the clubs and the girls every single step of the way.

But hey, "it's not a tourist problem" right? / sarc.

[FunExplorer]

I was in Dusseldorf in the last week of October and went to Oceans on Saturday evening around 4. 30 PM. Entry was supposed to be Euro 65 but the Receptionist asked me to pay Euro 85 because I arrived by taxi! Having gone there after a long flight, I decided to pay and enter.

I was surprised to find only 4 girls and none of them were good looking. One Romanian girl approached me and when I said I have just arrived and will get back to her, she told me for my information without soliciting that the price is Euro 100 for BBJ and usual covered service but DFK not included which will come at an extra cost! I waited patiently for another one hour but there were no new additions to girls. I decided to leave the club and never to come back again. Went straigt to Acapulco Gold.