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[NicFrenchy]

What services are on offer at these massage shops, prices? And how much can the girls make. I imagine as everywhere it depends a lot on the individual girl but on average.

My Thanks and appreciation.

I'm not sure this is of interest to anyone visiting the Pattaya forum? Maybe the answer can be found on the Korean forum of ISG?

[GerryGa]

I'm not Korean, but I have lived in Korea for a very long time and I monger in Korea without much issue (I'm white, but speak Korean which makes it possible). I don't have much to say about Koreans in Thailand, but you might be interested to know that there are plenty of Thai sex workers in Korea. I think it's safe to say that there are 1000's of them working in Korea at any given time. However, in Korea the sex business is almost completely underground, and requires that customers sign up for an online site similar to fiwfans in order to make a reservation to meet at a nondescript studio apartment.

Most of the places where Thai women work only allow Koreans to visit, but I've managed to become a regular customer at a handful of them. From what I understand this is exceedingly rare. I'm not saying that I am the only non-Korean customer getting serviced in Korea, but among the women I have asked, I am the only non-Korean customer they have ever met in this country.

Based on my experiences, here's what I can definitively say about Thai women working in Korea and their Korean customers:

-The Thai women who work in Korea are generally young (19-28 years old) and beautiful. On the whole, the Thai women working in Korea are more beautiful than those working in Thailand, that is, they are almost all from the upper half of the beauty spectrum. That being said, I have been paired with one or two women who were not my type because of acne scarring or weight issues. Thankfully, these women are rare and fairly easy to avoid.

-The Thai women is Korea tend to have fair skin.

-Quite a few have babies being raised by family in Thailand.

-A lot of them get plastic surgery and dental work done in Korea.

-1 in 3 are excited to be with a white guy, act horny as fuck, and don't need any lube. Another third are worried about taking on a big dick. The remaining third are ambivalent and just do their job.

-They stay in Korea for 1 to 5 years or until they get caught and deported.

-They come to Korea because they can easily get 4-8 customers a day, 7 days a week.

-Prices are fixed across the entire industry. At current exchange rates it's 60 usd for 30 min and 1 shot; 115 usd for 70 min and 2 shots. There are plenty of other menu options.

-As a rule, Korean guys don't go down on the women. Asian machismo or worries about dirty pussy? I doubt they are worried about dirty pussy, because most of them like it raw. Going raw costs an extra 20 usd.

-Koreans like to spend ostentatiously. Treating one's friends to a good time builds one's reputation and doing illicit activities together creates deep bonds that are hard to break.

-Koreans love to travel abroad. Korea is a small country, and one always runs the risk of being seen by friends, family, or acquantainces. Koreans who travel abroad feel free from societal pressures and thus do as they please, unfettered. They go wild in Thailand to release all the pent up pressure brought on by the demands of career and family.

-Relationships in Korea are often utilitarian and transactional. People make friends with those who will help advance their career. Women focus on family background and real estate holdings when seeking a partner for marriage, and guys pay the going rate for sex as long as they get the services they are promised.

-When Koreans drink they tend to binge. It's assumed that the drunker you are, the more honest you will be.

-Paying for sex isn't nearly as taboo in Korea as it is the west. A lot of married women turn a blind eye to their husband's actions. Sex outside of marriage, whether though an affair or with prostitutes, is almost considered to be inevitable, if not normal. In Korea, however, people don't talk about sex. Talking about it is the taboo.

-Koreans run the gamut and are just like everyone else in the world. Some are crazy and want to do meth and fuck and fuck and fuck. Others want to talk, end up cumming quickly, fall in love and feel ashamed. Some dudes just want to nut in something warm, wet, and wiggly. Other guys get pressured by friends to go to a brothel that they wouldn't otherwise visit alone.

Excellent summary.

If possible can you explain the situation for Thai girls working at massage shops as opposed to the underground situation you covered.

From what little I know it seems they work long hours, are constantly on call and are not legally allowed to work in Korea.

What services are on offer at these massage shops, prices? And how much can the girls make. I imagine as everywhere it depends a lot on the individual girl but on average.

My Thanks and appreciation.

[Bonjovi3]

It's puzzling to me how Korean mongers seem to have such an outstanding influence on the South East Asian scene given their small size as a country (51 million) and decent ($33 k) but not quite US ($75 k) or UK ($47 k) level of per capita GDP. In less than 5-10 years they have developed a reputation as big spenders and have come to dominate the scene in many countries. They have completely taken over Angeles in Philippines, and now represent the primary top-end clients in Pattaya. They clearly punch above their weight as far as spending power and the commensurate downstream effects on price levels effect us all.

Another puzzling thing about the Koreans is reports (albeit hearsay), that they are not particularly demanding in the bedroom, seeing the actual sex as secondary or tertiary activity to group bonding (drinking an playing cards with other Korean men). The "make it rain" attitude is mostly about demonstrating wealth to other Koreans and a magnetic pull to the ladies- but they are not converting this in the bedroom apparently. Western mongers are known for long demanding sex sessions but the "3 minute, 3 inches, 3 thousand" (baht or pp) adage hints at a different type of experience.

I understand the South Asian fetishization of their lighter skin, and the cultural hegemony of their cultural exports (K-pop), but is this and their proximity to the mongering areas all that really explain their dominance? It does not make sense that there would be more big spenders from this small peninsula than the many countries that make up the Western, English speaking world.

Maybe we need to Steel-Man this hypothesis- is there any "there" there- or is this a case of the type of inevitable cultural friction that arises from breeding opportunity competition and just brings out the xenophobia, colonial prejudices and mischaracterizations?

What do K-Americans or K-Brits make of it all being able to see into both realities?

Anyone have any insights that I might've missed?

I'm not Korean, but I have lived in Korea for a very long time and I monger in Korea without much issue (I'm white, but speak Korean which makes it possible). I don't have much to say about Koreans in Thailand, but you might be interested to know that there are plenty of Thai sex workers in Korea. I think it's safe to say that there are 1000's of them working in Korea at any given time. However, in Korea the sex business is almost completely underground, and requires that customers sign up for an online site similar to fiwfans in order to make a reservation to meet at a nondescript studio apartment.

Most of the places where Thai women work only allow Koreans to visit, but I've managed to become a regular customer at a handful of them. From what I understand this is exceedingly rare. I'm not saying that I am the only non-Korean customer getting serviced in Korea, but among the women I have asked, I am the only non-Korean customer they have ever met in this country.

Based on my experiences, here's what I can definitively say about Thai women working in Korea and their Korean customers:

-The Thai women who work in Korea are generally young (19-28 years old) and beautiful. On the whole, the Thai women working in Korea are more beautiful than those working in Thailand, that is, they are almost all from the upper half of the beauty spectrum. That being said, I have been paired with one or two women who were not my type because of acne scarring or weight issues. Thankfully, these women are rare and fairly easy to avoid.

-The Thai women is Korea tend to have fair skin.

-Quite a few have babies being raised by family in Thailand.

-A lot of them get plastic surgery and dental work done in Korea.

-1 in 3 are excited to be with a white guy, act horny as fuck, and don't need any lube. Another third are worried about taking on a big dick. The remaining third are ambivalent and just do their job.

-They stay in Korea for 1 to 5 years or until they get caught and deported.

-They come to Korea because they can easily get 4-8 customers a day, 7 days a week.

-Prices are fixed across the entire industry. At current exchange rates it's 60 usd for 30 min and 1 shot; 115 usd for 70 min and 2 shots. There are plenty of other menu options.

-As a rule, Korean guys don't go down on the women. Asian machismo or worries about dirty pussy? I doubt they are worried about dirty pussy, because most of them like it raw. Going raw costs an extra 20 usd.

-Koreans like to spend ostentatiously. Treating one's friends to a good time builds one's reputation and doing illicit activities together creates deep bonds that are hard to break.

-Koreans love to travel abroad. Korea is a small country, and one always runs the risk of being seen by friends, family, or acquantainces. Koreans who travel abroad feel free from societal pressures and thus do as they please, unfettered. They go wild in Thailand to release all the pent up pressure brought on by the demands of career and family.

-Relationships in Korea are often utilitarian and transactional. People make friends with those who will help advance their career. Women focus on family background and real estate holdings when seeking a partner for marriage, and guys pay the going rate for sex as long as they get the services they are promised.

-When Koreans drink they tend to binge. It's assumed that the drunker you are, the more honest you will be.

-Paying for sex isn't nearly as taboo in Korea as it is the west. A lot of married women turn a blind eye to their husband's actions. Sex outside of marriage, whether though an affair or with prostitutes, is almost considered to be inevitable, if not normal. In Korea, however, people don't talk about sex. Talking about it is the taboo.

-Koreans run the gamut and are just like everyone else in the world. Some are crazy and want to do meth and fuck and fuck and fuck. Others want to talk, end up cumming quickly, fall in love and feel ashamed. Some dudes just want to nut in something warm, wet, and wiggly. Other guys get pressured by friends to go to a brothel that they wouldn't otherwise visit alone.

[Tvataham274]

I've never had a room safe of the type shown in that video.

I once had the battery die in my room safe in Koh Samui. Getting it opened was not a simple matter, hotel management maintained close control of the keys to the safe. Getting my safe opened to replace the battery was a pain in the neck. I feel quite secure with my valuables locked in my room safe. Now that I've said that, I'll probably get ripped off next time I'm in Thailand.

Dunno if I have bad luck, or if the batteries in safes failing is common.

Had the battery fail shortly after setting my pin both in a 4 star hotel in Toronto, as well as in Areca in Pattaya. Needed to have maintenance unlock and reset the safe both times. But they do indeed have a master key.

[HorseTrader]

This means nothing. The majority can be opened with a magnet or just by a hard slap. No key or combination needed. But like XXL was saying, there is no rash of people running around stealing out of hotel safes in Thailand.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=57OHIH_JhaI

I've never had a room safe of the type shown in that video.

I once had the battery die in my room safe in Koh Samui. Getting it opened was not a simple matter, hotel management maintained close control of the keys to the safe. Getting my safe opened to replace the battery was a pain in the neck. I feel quite secure with my valuables locked in my room safe. Now that I've said that, I'll probably get ripped off next time I'm in Thailand.

[Chan Chalupa]

It's puzzling to me how Korean mongers seem to have such an outstanding influence on the South East Asian scene given their small size as a country (51 million) and decent ($33 k) but not quite US ($75 k) or UK ($47 k) level of per capita GDP. In less than 5-10 years they have developed a reputation as big spenders and have come to dominate the scene in many countries. They have completely taken over Angeles in Philippines, and now represent the primary top-end clients in Pattaya. They clearly punch above their weight as far as spending power and the commensurate downstream effects on price levels effect us all.

Another puzzling thing about the Koreans is reports (albeit hearsay), that they are not particularly demanding in the bedroom, seeing the actual sex as secondary or tertiary activity to group bonding (drinking an playing cards with other Korean men). The "make it rain" attitude is mostly about demonstrating wealth to other Koreans and a magnetic pull to the ladies- but they are not converting this in the bedroom apparently. Western mongers are known for long demanding sex sessions but the "3 minute, 3 inches, 3 thousand" (baht or pp) adage hints at a different type of experience.

I understand the South Asian fetishization of their lighter skin, and the cultural hegemony of their cultural exports (K-pop), but is this and their proximity to the mongering areas all that really explain their dominance? It does not make sense that there would be more big spenders from this small peninsula than the many countries that make up the Western, English speaking world.

Maybe we need to Steel-Man this hypothesis- is there any "there" there- or is this a case of the type of inevitable cultural friction that arises from breeding opportunity competition and just brings out the xenophobia, colonial prejudices and mischaracterizations?

What do K-Americans or K-Brits make of it all being able to see into both realities?

Anyone have any insights that I might've missed?

Put yourself in avg Thai Sex Worker shoes.

One hour full price ez going Asian or More than one hour with all kinds of needs and wants and guy also wants discount. Hahaha.

Full price being 3 k for short time being Baseline.

[Mua Tur]

Over the last 30 years I've traveled all over the world with my business and never had an issue with theft from a hotel safe. Actually I was never concerned about it. However I do stay at 4 star and above hotels and make sure there are room safes before booking or a hotel safe. But I prefer room safes.

Almost correct.

But if some thing left behind in the room, after checking out most of the time never getting back. The most bad thing happened in Thailand with me, I left my shirt in the room closet. Next day it was not returned back because there were a bill of 100 usd in the pocket. Totally declined. The least good thing happen with me in Manila. For short time, I use Hotel SoGo rooms and I have a discount card. The SoGo beside EDSA LRT station I left my discount card and after 20 days when I back to that hotel they returned me back.

Happy Hunting.

[Davey1965]

Been a few years in TH now. Always kept valuables (cash, passport, smartphone) in the room safe. I was never stolen. Very low risk in Thailand.

Over the last 30 years I've traveled all over the world with my business and never had an issue with theft from a hotel safe. Actually I was never concerned about it. However I do stay at 4 star and above hotels and make sure there are room safes before booking or a hotel safe. But I prefer room safes.

[MoistCyst]

It's puzzling to me how Korean mongers seem to have such an outstanding influence on the South East Asian scene given their small size as a country (51 million) and decent ($33 k) but not quite US ($75 k) or UK ($47 k) level of per capita GDP. In less than 5-10 years they have developed a reputation as big spenders and have come to dominate the scene in many countries. They have completely taken over Angeles in Philippines, and now represent the primary top-end clients in Pattaya. They clearly punch above their weight as far as spending power and the commensurate downstream effects on price levels effect us all.

Another puzzling thing about the Koreans is reports (albeit hearsay), that they are not particularly demanding in the bedroom, seeing the actual sex as secondary or tertiary activity to group bonding (drinking an playing cards with other Korean men). The "make it rain" attitude is mostly about demonstrating wealth to other Koreans and a magnetic pull to the ladies- but they are not converting this in the bedroom apparently. Western mongers are known for long demanding sex sessions but the "3 minute, 3 inches, 3 thousand" (baht or pp) adage hints at a different type of experience.

I understand the South Asian fetishization of their lighter skin, and the cultural hegemony of their cultural exports (K-pop), but is this and their proximity to the mongering areas all that really explain their dominance? It does not make sense that there would be more big spenders from this small peninsula than the many countries that make up the Western, English speaking world.

Maybe we need to Steel-Man this hypothesis- is there any "there" there- or is this a case of the type of inevitable cultural friction that arises from breeding opportunity competition and just brings out the xenophobia, colonial prejudices and mischaracterizations?

What do K-Americans or K-Brits make of it all being able to see into both realities?

Anyone have any insights that I might've missed?

Big difference between the kind of people that would come from western countries and from Korea. The majority of sexpats from Korea are wealthy men (whether it be from their own money or their parents) with real money to throw around, while Westerners will be middle / upper-middle class people coming for a sex trip. Koreans (and alot of Chinese) coming in are slumming around in SEA, while for alot of Western 2 week millionaires, this is a once in a lifetime trip.

[MoonShot]

It's puzzling to me how Korean mongers seem to have such an outstanding influence on the South East Asian scene given their small size as a country (51 million) and decent ($33 k) but not quite US ($75 k) or UK ($47 k) level of per capita GDP. In less than 5-10 years they have developed a reputation as big spenders and have come to dominate the scene in many countries. They have completely taken over Angeles in Philippines, and now represent the primary top-end clients in Pattaya. They clearly punch above their weight as far as spending power and the commensurate downstream effects on price levels effect us all.

Another puzzling thing about the Koreans is reports (albeit hearsay), that they are not particularly demanding in the bedroom, seeing the actual sex as secondary or tertiary activity to group bonding (drinking an playing cards with other Korean men). The "make it rain" attitude is mostly about demonstrating wealth to other Koreans and a magnetic pull to the ladies- but they are not converting this in the bedroom apparently. Western mongers are known for long demanding sex sessions but the "3 minute, 3 inches, 3 thousand" (baht or pp) adage hints at a different type of experience.

I understand the South Asian fetishization of their lighter skin, and the cultural hegemony of their cultural exports (K-pop), but is this and their proximity to the mongering areas all that really explain their dominance? It does not make sense that there would be more big spenders from this small peninsula than the many countries that make up the Western, English speaking world.

Maybe we need to Steel-Man this hypothesis- is there any "there" there- or is this a case of the type of inevitable cultural friction that arises from breeding opportunity competition and just brings out the xenophobia, colonial prejudices and mischaracterizations?

What do K-Americans or K-Brits make of it all being able to see into both realities?

Anyone have any insights that I might've missed?

Korea is much closer to the PI so it is similar to the situation in Costa Rica where Americans are making it rain. When you have a short flight and the airfare is cheap, you tend to go on short vacations when you have time and are willing to spend more because you are only there for a short time.

As for how Koreans behave with the girls, I am always impressed with how others are able to know how they are in bed with the girls. There are a few things about the general statements. First, like Americans, Koreans do not all act a certain way. How do Americans treat girls in the PI? You can't really answer that question because Americans are not all the same. Well, Koreans are the same way. Usually the hearsay is girls that Westerners go out with. This is not a representative sample. Girls who go with Westerners may prefer Westerners. Girls who don't go with Westerners may prefer Koreans and you will never hear from them. Now after all this talk about bargirls being liars, it is amazing that all of a sudden you can trust everything they tell you about Koreans. What do you expect to say when they are with you? That they rather be with Koreans? That Koreans are better in bed than you? Is this what you expect them to say if it were true?

Anyway, I don't really worry that much about the Koreans. I just do my own thing and try to have fun.

[Lefeu]

It's puzzling to me how Korean mongers seem to have such an outstanding influence on the South East Asian scene given their small size as a country (51 million) and decent ($33 k) but not quite US ($75 k) or UK ($47 k) level of per capita GDP. In less than 5-10 years they have developed a reputation as big spenders and have come to dominate the scene in many countries. They have completely taken over Angeles in Philippines, and now represent the primary top-end clients in Pattaya. They clearly punch above their weight as far as spending power and the commensurate downstream effects on price levels effect us all.
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I noticed the new Korean impact when I was last in AC. Worse, they seem to have the same taste as me. I have seen them numerous times, pick the best looking girls from a club, then leave. Sometimes with the girls, and sometimes without them. I found it a bit frustrating and as a result, seriously thinking about skipping AC next time. In Pattaya, I stopped going to gogo bars a long time ago. I don't find them interesting anymore, just too overpriced.

No insights from me unfortunately, just an observation. I live in the US, and my mongering diet has been strictly Korean when in the US. We also have Korean mongers living in the US. From interactions via, our local forums, they do better than us but not much, due to language and cultural advantage. We tend to treat the women better.

[RakSopheni]

Korean 2 week millionaires pay top dollar for certain ladies in gogos. They like them with light skin so they look more Korean. That driver up prices for everyone.

And gogo ladies attract more idiot sponsors who give them money for nothing. So the ladies barely have to show up to make good money to give to their Thai boyfriend.

It's puzzling to me how Korean mongers seem to have such an outstanding influence on the South East Asian scene given their small size as a country (51 million) and decent ($33 k) but not quite US ($75 k) or UK ($47 k) level of per capita GDP. In less than 5-10 years they have developed a reputation as big spenders and have come to dominate the scene in many countries. They have completely taken over Angeles in Philippines, and now represent the primary top-end clients in Pattaya. They clearly punch above their weight as far as spending power and the commensurate downstream effects on price levels effect us all.

Another puzzling thing about the Koreans is reports (albeit hearsay), that they are not particularly demanding in the bedroom, seeing the actual sex as secondary or tertiary activity to group bonding (drinking an playing cards with other Korean men). The "make it rain" attitude is mostly about demonstrating wealth to other Koreans and a magnetic pull to the ladies- but they are not converting this in the bedroom apparently. Western mongers are known for long demanding sex sessions but the "3 minute, 3 inches, 3 thousand" (baht or pp) adage hints at a different type of experience.

I understand the South Asian fetishization of their lighter skin, and the cultural hegemony of their cultural exports (K-pop), but is this and their proximity to the mongering areas all that really explain their dominance? It does not make sense that there would be more big spenders from this small peninsula than the many countries that make up the Western, English speaking world.

Maybe we need to Steel-Man this hypothesis- is there any "there" there- or is this a case of the type of inevitable cultural friction that arises from breeding opportunity competition and just brings out the xenophobia, colonial prejudices and mischaracterizations?

What do K-Americans or K-Brits make of it all being able to see into both realities?

Anyone have any insights that I might've missed?

[Mr Enternational]

You have to realize, that all hotel safes have a backdoor, usually a mechanical key which fits a hidden keyhole on all the safes of the same type.

This is needed because some guests leave the safe locked on checkout.

The key should be kept by the reception, but housekeeping usually carries one. It's your call!

This means nothing. The majority can be opened with a magnet or just by a hard slap. No key or combination needed. But like XXL was saying, there is no rash of people running around stealing out of hotel safes in Thailand.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=57OHIH_JhaI

[Daddy San]

Been a few years in TH now. Always kept valuables (cash, passport, smartphone) in the room safe. I was never stolen. Very low risk in Thailand.

You have to realize, that all hotel safes have a backdoor, usually a mechanical key which fits a hidden keyhole on all the safes of the same type.

This is needed because some guests leave the safe locked on checkout.

The key should be kept by the reception, but housekeeping usually carries one. It's your call!

[XXL]

Are safe in hotels safe / reliable? I read somewhere (possibly on Reddit) that a couple lost all their valuable, which they put in the safe. Others commented that the housekeeping can gain access to safe easily. Any way to sag guard your money while traveling there? Thanks in advance.

Been a few years in TH now. Always kept valuables (cash, passport, smartphone) in the room safe. I was never stolen. Very low risk in Thailand.