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[RakSopheni]

Broadly speaking, everyone wants to nut, but different cultures go about it in a somewhat different manner.

I think it really comes down to the individual versus the collective. One of the more striking images I have in recent memory is sitting one late afternoon on Freelancer Corner in Angeles City watching the steady stream of mongers go by. It's just as rare to see a lone Korean monger as it is to see a Western monger in a group greater than 2. Old world societies (Korea, India, etc) are homosocial- meaning that the genders are still segregated. The idea of "romantic" love is much more present in the Western world because of this focus on finding one's self in an intimate partnership rather than as a defined by group membership or within concepts of "dharma" (duty).

The Western man is freer, but more lonely. Since the advent of the sexual revolution and the rise of Feminism, the Western man's psyche has dissolved into an irretrievable state of alienation and chronic anomie characterized by feelings of worthlessness, shame, disgust, despair, and rage. Mongering is a type of palliative but the relief is incomplete and fleeting. The negative emotions return quickly once the high wears off. Generally speaking, I do not sense this type of compulsive and tragic motivation in Eastern men who still occupy a society in which their roles are central and intact and still experience reverence and respect from women and society at large.

If anything the Indian monger is even more group motivated than the K-Monger and probably even more transactional and disinterested in GFE. Indian men have very little to no contact with members of the opposite sex and are often awkward and rude to the ladies. Add to this that the Western world seems to be a bit more tolerant to the idea of Brits and Aussies returning with a Thai girlfriend or wife even if there is much whispering and clucking behind the back. An Indian family would never accept this.

[Knobrm]

.So, all of this begs the question: what do Indians want? If what they want doesn't easily fit into the typical experience of a Thai sex worker, then the women will have to decide if they want to provide the service. If what they want is no different from one of the scenarios above, I'm sure they'll be accepted.

Very good analysis and summary of the differences between East Asians and Westerners, 100% aligned with my three decades of east asian experiences, mostly in China.

One differentiating factor with Indians on top of the two SEEMS to be the role of group vs individual activity, however as I also am not familiar with Indian sexual habits beyond headlines, not sure how much this can be generalized. But reading the numerous news headlines about group rapes in India, as well as observing the daily haggling of Indians as a group for the service of one woman in Pattaya (complemented by comments of girls confirming it), makes me wonder if this really is something that differentiates Indian habits from East Asians and Westerners more broadly, or just a marginal activity regardless of the broad visibility of it.

[SiamMan]

Broadly speaking, everyone wants to nut, but different cultures go about it in a somewhat different manner.
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An excellent post. A clear and accurate summation of the different approaches and expectations of Western and East Asian cultures. Being of Western origin myself, but having lived in Thailand for a long time I can recognize both scenarios in my own experience. I have to be careful as I am still a sucker for the 'girlfriend experience', but also do appreciate the provision of good service by a skilled professional.

[Chan Chalupa]

Whether Indians will be accepted depends on whether the market can get a read on what Indians want, whether a business will cater to it, and whether they're willing to pay for it.

First, a brief aside. No disrespect to any of the groups mentioned above or below. Everything I write is written in the broadest possible generalizations, and I assume that you will understand that what I write doesn't apply to every individual in each group, but rather represents the mean average. As I don't know much about India, I'll avoid writing about it all together. That being said, here's what I do know.

Broadly speaking, everyone wants to nut, but different cultures go about it in a somewhat different manner.

A lot of Western guys, for instance, want companionship, I. E. , the girlfriend experience. Of course they want to blow their load, but they're likely to want to engage with the women, talk to them, and fall in love if only for an evening. It can be a lot of work for the women to feign emotional investment, but if they can get one of these guys on the hook, they can milk them for easy money. Although Western men might not pay as much for one night as an East Asian man would, Westerners are more likely to fall head over heels and sponsor a women for weeks or months.

This is in contrast to the majority of East Asian men who are more realistic, by which I mean they don't get involved emotionally. They generally don't seek companionship from sex workers, which is why you might see them ignoring their women while hanging out with friends. East Asians seem to understand that good friends are rare, but that these women are a dime a dozen. In this regard, East Asians simply want to party, drink, and cum. And they are happy to pay for every step in the process even if it results in a relatively larger bill. It should go without saying that the women like this--money is money after all. But they also like it because it's relatively easy to follow the scenario when everyone knows the script: sing, smile, drink, and then have sex.

The key difference for the women, therefore, is that they don't have to pretend to be emotionally invested in East Asian men. The men and women both know what they are, a John and a prostitute respectively, and this allows the women to simply do their job. This doesn't mean that they aren't nice and pleasant. Rather, it reinforces that the experience is what it is: a transaction.

If you're not convinced, think about the popularity of Karaoke, Noraebong, and KTV in East Asia. East Asian men treat women--and prostitutes in particular--as entertainment. The women sing, get the party started, pour drinks, and then fuck. And that's it. In this part of the work, gender roles are quite clearly delineated. And maybe even stricter is the relationship between business and customer. East Asians expect excellent customer service within the boudaries of the service they pay for; nothing more and nothing less. These concepts are easily represented by the fact that East Asian men don't typically pay mind to what women say. They also expect service to be done to them and thus expect the woman to lead in the bedroom. In this regard, the women are professionals who provide a service and thus its no surprise that massages, BJs, and cowgirl are the mainstays of the mongering experience in this part of the world.

As further example of the difference between cultures consider how Westerners expect a waitress to be kind, polite, and happy and then reward such behaviour with a tip. East Asians, on the other hand, place no such expectations on wait staff. Eating out isn't an emotional experience. They only expect that the food they ordered will be put on the table in a timely manner. And no tips are involved--ever. They pay for what they get and they get what they pay for. Removing the emotion from transactions makes it easier for everyone involved to do their job. Sex with a prostitute is treated in like manner by each respective culture.

So, all of this begs the question: what do Indians want? If what they want doesn't easily fit into the typical experience of a Thai sex worker, then the women will have to decide if they want to provide the service. If what they want is no different from one of the scenarios above, I'm sure they'll be accepted.

1st order of Business for our north Asian comrades (indians). They need to work on being able to Enter Mainstream Places. Hahaha. I still see them being turned away. No offense.

[Mr Enternational]

So, all of this begs the question: what do Indians want? If what they want doesn't easily fit into the typical experience of a Thai sex worker, then the women will have to decide if they want to provide the service. If what they want is no different from one of the scenarios above, I'm sure they'll be accepted.

Great report. I see the shit the same as the Koreans do. I am the customer. I notice a lot of mongers on ISG see it as they need to please the hooker and kowtow to her and get in her good graces even though they are paying. If they are not trying to please them by buying lady drinks then when they get in the bedroom they are trying to please them there. And it is really funny to me to see western guys dragging their hooker down the street by her hand. Never see this with the East Asian guys.

As far as Indian brothers being accepted, just step foot into one of the Indian discos and you will see chicks hanging from the rafters. There is no shortage of them being accepted. Just because you do not see them in the gogos or some place western mongers may frequent, does not mean they are not catered to at the places that they are hanging out. Go in front of one of the hotels where the Indian guys stay and you will see chicks outside waiting to catch one before he can walk 10 steps. And as I have said before, the chicks say they pay big money. Chicks in Jannaat go for 4000 and 5000 baht. And an Indian brother here that last posted about going there mentioned paying 5000 without batting an eye.

These are pictures from google.

[Bonjovi3]

This was a great post Bonjovi3- I really appreciate your insight on the matter. We're all just trying to get some poke in before the big sleep- and Koreans share this essential human condition. I will let them burn their money in the GoGo's and stick to Soi 6, GC'S, TF, and Pothole and hope that at least for a little bit Pattaya will not go the way of Angeles City.

The rising supremacy of the K-Monger notwithstanding, my suspicion is the up and coming monger with the most ability to disrupt the balance is probably the Indian man. It may not seem like it now- but the Indian economy-fueled by their positive demographics-has a much brighter future than China, and if even only 10% more are brought into the middle class that translates to 140 million people (roughly half the USA).

Whether Indians will be accepted depends on whether the market can get a read on what Indians want, whether a business will cater to it, and whether they're willing to pay for it.

First, a brief aside. No disrespect to any of the groups mentioned above or below. Everything I write is written in the broadest possible generalizations, and I assume that you will understand that what I write doesn't apply to every individual in each group, but rather represents the mean average. As I don't know much about India, I'll avoid writing about it all together. That being said, here's what I do know.

Broadly speaking, everyone wants to nut, but different cultures go about it in a somewhat different manner.

A lot of Western guys, for instance, want companionship, I. E. , the girlfriend experience. Of course they want to blow their load, but they're likely to want to engage with the women, talk to them, and fall in love if only for an evening. It can be a lot of work for the women to feign emotional investment, but if they can get one of these guys on the hook, they can milk them for easy money. Although Western men might not pay as much for one night as an East Asian man would, Westerners are more likely to fall head over heels and sponsor a women for weeks or months.

This is in contrast to the majority of East Asian men who are more realistic, by which I mean they don't get involved emotionally. They generally don't seek companionship from sex workers, which is why you might see them ignoring their women while hanging out with friends. East Asians seem to understand that good friends are rare, but that these women are a dime a dozen. In this regard, East Asians simply want to party, drink, and cum. And they are happy to pay for every step in the process even if it results in a relatively larger bill. It should go without saying that the women like this--money is money after all. But they also like it because it's relatively easy to follow the scenario when everyone knows the script: sing, smile, drink, and then have sex.

The key difference for the women, therefore, is that they don't have to pretend to be emotionally invested in East Asian men. The men and women both know what they are, a John and a prostitute respectively, and this allows the women to simply do their job. This doesn't mean that they aren't nice and pleasant. Rather, it reinforces that the experience is what it is: a transaction.

If you're not convinced, think about the popularity of Karaoke, Noraebong, and KTV in East Asia. East Asian men treat women--and prostitutes in particular--as entertainment. The women sing, get the party started, pour drinks, and then fuck. And that's it. In this part of the work, gender roles are quite clearly delineated. And maybe even stricter is the relationship between business and customer. East Asians expect excellent customer service within the boudaries of the service they pay for; nothing more and nothing less. These concepts are easily represented by the fact that East Asian men don't typically pay mind to what women say. They also expect service to be done to them and thus expect the woman to lead in the bedroom. In this regard, the women are professionals who provide a service and thus its no surprise that massages, BJs, and cowgirl are the mainstays of the mongering experience in this part of the world.

As further example of the difference between cultures consider how Westerners expect a waitress to be kind, polite, and happy and then reward such behaviour with a tip. East Asians, on the other hand, place no such expectations on wait staff. Eating out isn't an emotional experience. They only expect that the food they ordered will be put on the table in a timely manner. And no tips are involved--ever. They pay for what they get and they get what they pay for. Removing the emotion from transactions makes it easier for everyone involved to do their job. Sex with a prostitute is treated in like manner by each respective culture.

So, all of this begs the question: what do Indians want? If what they want doesn't easily fit into the typical experience of a Thai sex worker, then the women will have to decide if they want to provide the service. If what they want is no different from one of the scenarios above, I'm sure they'll be accepted.

[Banana Boi]

Might be a good idea to keep a pack of replacement batteries nearby.

This is actually an excellent idea. Bring a new set of batteries with me and install them in the safe before locking it up. Just remember to take them back out when you are leaving.

[HorseTrader]

It happened to me on many occasions and it's very annoying when it doesn't want to open with your valuables inside.

Might be a good idea to keep a pack of replacement batteries nearby.

Better install those replacement batteries upon your arrival. The failed safe batteries that caused my problems were mounted on the inside of the door.

I've also had batteries fall out of their slots when I closed the door. Fortunately, I couldn't lock the door that time.

[Paolo99]

Dunno if I have bad luck, or if the batteries in safes failing is common.

Had the battery fail shortly after setting my pin both in a 4 star hotel in Toronto, as well as in Areca in Pattaya.

It happened to me on many occasions and it's very annoying when it doesn't want to open with your valuables inside.

Might be a good idea to keep a pack of replacement batteries nearby.

[Paolo99]

there is no rash of people running around stealing out of hotel safes in Thailand.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=57OHIH_JhaI

A few years ago there were a few reports of random guys coming to hotels or apartments, breaking in some targeted or random rooms and not only stealing what was inside the safe but stealing directly the safe itself.

[Paolo99]

Almost correct.

But if some thing left behind in the room, after checking out most of the time never getting back.
Happy Hunting.

Once I was staying in the Best Western in soi 20 and forgot one shirt when I checked out. I realized it only a few days later and I was still in Bkk.

I went back to the hotel, the guy brought a bag with a few clothes inside, showed my shirt and asked if it was that one and I was happy to took it back.

[Chan Chalupa]

If someone really wanted your safe it really isn't difficult to get it. Here is my hotel safe. Even if they couldn't open it there these things are light and small enough to throw in a large suitcase and roll it out of the hotel.

I will give you guys some advice if this is your final day in town and you have to leave the hotel early in the morning. Take your shit out of your safe the night before and throw everything in your locked suitcase. My safe wouldn't open when I returned to my hotel at 3 am. I called down to the front desk to have someone open my safe. They said only the hotel manager has the key and he doesn't start work until 10 am. I told them I needed the safe open now cause I needed to leave for the airport at 7 am. I finally convinced them to call a locksmith to pry the safe from the cabinet so he could press some button in the back of the safe to open it without a key. 2-3 hours later I got my safe open. Would have missed my flight if I didn't try opening my safe well before checking out. The photo is the aftermath.

No hotel or employees shall be named to protect the innocent.

You tube has Tutorials on how to open Hotel safes like Jimmy Fat Fingers of the Philadelphia Mafia.

[Banana Boi]

If someone really wanted your safe it really isn't difficult to get it. Here is my hotel safe. Even if they couldn't open it there these things are light and small enough to throw in a large suitcase and roll it out of the hotel.

I will give you guys some advice if this is your final day in town and you have to leave the hotel early in the morning. Take your shit out of your safe the night before and throw everything in your locked suitcase. My safe wouldn't open when I returned to my hotel at 3 am. I called down to the front desk to have someone open my safe. They said only the hotel manager has the key and he doesn't start work until 10 am. I told them I needed the safe open now cause I needed to leave for the airport at 7 am. I finally convinced them to call a locksmith to pry the safe from the cabinet so he could press some button in the back of the safe to open it without a key. 2-3 hours later I got my safe open. Would have missed my flight if I didn't try opening my safe well before checking out. The photo is the aftermath.

No hotel or employees shall be named to protect the innocent.

[RakSopheni]

-Koreans like to spend ostentatiously. Treating one's friends to a good time builds one's reputation and doing illicit activities together creates deep bonds that are hard to break.

-Koreans love to travel abroad. Korea is a small country, and one always runs the risk of being seen by friends, family, or acquantainces. Koreans who travel abroad feel free from societal pressures and thus do as they please, unfettered. They go wild in Thailand to release all the pent up pressure brought on by the demands of career and family.

-Relationships in Korea are often utilitarian and transactional. People make friends with those who will help advance their career. Women focus on family background and real estate holdings when seeking a partner for marriage, and guys pay the going rate for sex as long as they get the services they are promised.

-When Koreans drink they tend to binge. It's assumed that the drunker you are, the more honest you will be.

-Paying for sex isn't nearly as taboo in Korea as it is the west. A lot of married women turn a blind eye to their husband's actions. Sex outside of marriage, whether though an affair or with prostitutes, is almost considered to be inevitable, if not normal. In Korea, however, people don't talk about sex. Talking about it is the taboo.

-Koreans run the gamut and are just like everyone else in the world. Some are crazy and want to do meth and fuck and fuck and fuck. Others want to talk, end up cumming quickly, fall in love and feel ashamed. Some dudes just want to nut in something warm, wet, and wiggly. Other guys get pressured by friends to go to a brothel that they wouldn't otherwise visit alone.

This was a great post Bonjovi3- I really appreciate your insight on the matter. We're all just trying to get some poke in before the big sleep- and Koreans share this essential human condition. I will let them burn their money in the GoGo's and stick to Soi 6, GC'S, TF, and Pothole and hope that at least for a little bit Pattaya will not go the way of Angeles City.

The rising supremacy of the K-Monger notwithstanding, my suspicion is the up and coming monger with the most ability to disrupt the balance is probably the Indian man. It may not seem like it now- but the Indian economy-fueled by their positive demographics-has a much brighter future than China, and if even only 10% more are brought into the middle class that translates to 140 million people (roughly half the USA).

[GerryGa]

I'm not sure this is of interest to anyone visiting the Pattaya forum? Maybe the answer can be found on the Korean forum of ISG?

Totally with you Nic.

Apologizes.

It was simply that Bonjovi3 seems to know the score on Korea which as happened he posted about on the Pattaya tread.

If Bon Jovi doesn't reply I will for sure go looksee on the Korea forum.

Cheers.