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[Davey1965]

Been a few years in TH now. Always kept valuables (cash, passport, smartphone) in the room safe. I was never stolen. Very low risk in Thailand.

Over the last 30 years I've traveled all over the world with my business and never had an issue with theft from a hotel safe. Actually I was never concerned about it. However I do stay at 4 star and above hotels and make sure there are room safes before booking or a hotel safe. But I prefer room safes.

[MoistCyst]

It's puzzling to me how Korean mongers seem to have such an outstanding influence on the South East Asian scene given their small size as a country (51 million) and decent ($33 k) but not quite US ($75 k) or UK ($47 k) level of per capita GDP. In less than 5-10 years they have developed a reputation as big spenders and have come to dominate the scene in many countries. They have completely taken over Angeles in Philippines, and now represent the primary top-end clients in Pattaya. They clearly punch above their weight as far as spending power and the commensurate downstream effects on price levels effect us all.

Another puzzling thing about the Koreans is reports (albeit hearsay), that they are not particularly demanding in the bedroom, seeing the actual sex as secondary or tertiary activity to group bonding (drinking an playing cards with other Korean men). The "make it rain" attitude is mostly about demonstrating wealth to other Koreans and a magnetic pull to the ladies- but they are not converting this in the bedroom apparently. Western mongers are known for long demanding sex sessions but the "3 minute, 3 inches, 3 thousand" (baht or pp) adage hints at a different type of experience.

I understand the South Asian fetishization of their lighter skin, and the cultural hegemony of their cultural exports (K-pop), but is this and their proximity to the mongering areas all that really explain their dominance? It does not make sense that there would be more big spenders from this small peninsula than the many countries that make up the Western, English speaking world.

Maybe we need to Steel-Man this hypothesis- is there any "there" there- or is this a case of the type of inevitable cultural friction that arises from breeding opportunity competition and just brings out the xenophobia, colonial prejudices and mischaracterizations?

What do K-Americans or K-Brits make of it all being able to see into both realities?

Anyone have any insights that I might've missed?

Big difference between the kind of people that would come from western countries and from Korea. The majority of sexpats from Korea are wealthy men (whether it be from their own money or their parents) with real money to throw around, while Westerners will be middle / upper-middle class people coming for a sex trip. Koreans (and alot of Chinese) coming in are slumming around in SEA, while for alot of Western 2 week millionaires, this is a once in a lifetime trip.

[MoonShot]

It's puzzling to me how Korean mongers seem to have such an outstanding influence on the South East Asian scene given their small size as a country (51 million) and decent ($33 k) but not quite US ($75 k) or UK ($47 k) level of per capita GDP. In less than 5-10 years they have developed a reputation as big spenders and have come to dominate the scene in many countries. They have completely taken over Angeles in Philippines, and now represent the primary top-end clients in Pattaya. They clearly punch above their weight as far as spending power and the commensurate downstream effects on price levels effect us all.

Another puzzling thing about the Koreans is reports (albeit hearsay), that they are not particularly demanding in the bedroom, seeing the actual sex as secondary or tertiary activity to group bonding (drinking an playing cards with other Korean men). The "make it rain" attitude is mostly about demonstrating wealth to other Koreans and a magnetic pull to the ladies- but they are not converting this in the bedroom apparently. Western mongers are known for long demanding sex sessions but the "3 minute, 3 inches, 3 thousand" (baht or pp) adage hints at a different type of experience.

I understand the South Asian fetishization of their lighter skin, and the cultural hegemony of their cultural exports (K-pop), but is this and their proximity to the mongering areas all that really explain their dominance? It does not make sense that there would be more big spenders from this small peninsula than the many countries that make up the Western, English speaking world.

Maybe we need to Steel-Man this hypothesis- is there any "there" there- or is this a case of the type of inevitable cultural friction that arises from breeding opportunity competition and just brings out the xenophobia, colonial prejudices and mischaracterizations?

What do K-Americans or K-Brits make of it all being able to see into both realities?

Anyone have any insights that I might've missed?

Korea is much closer to the PI so it is similar to the situation in Costa Rica where Americans are making it rain. When you have a short flight and the airfare is cheap, you tend to go on short vacations when you have time and are willing to spend more because you are only there for a short time.

As for how Koreans behave with the girls, I am always impressed with how others are able to know how they are in bed with the girls. There are a few things about the general statements. First, like Americans, Koreans do not all act a certain way. How do Americans treat girls in the PI? You can't really answer that question because Americans are not all the same. Well, Koreans are the same way. Usually the hearsay is girls that Westerners go out with. This is not a representative sample. Girls who go with Westerners may prefer Westerners. Girls who don't go with Westerners may prefer Koreans and you will never hear from them. Now after all this talk about bargirls being liars, it is amazing that all of a sudden you can trust everything they tell you about Koreans. What do you expect to say when they are with you? That they rather be with Koreans? That Koreans are better in bed than you? Is this what you expect them to say if it were true?

Anyway, I don't really worry that much about the Koreans. I just do my own thing and try to have fun.

[Lefeu]

It's puzzling to me how Korean mongers seem to have such an outstanding influence on the South East Asian scene given their small size as a country (51 million) and decent ($33 k) but not quite US ($75 k) or UK ($47 k) level of per capita GDP. In less than 5-10 years they have developed a reputation as big spenders and have come to dominate the scene in many countries. They have completely taken over Angeles in Philippines, and now represent the primary top-end clients in Pattaya. They clearly punch above their weight as far as spending power and the commensurate downstream effects on price levels effect us all.
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I noticed the new Korean impact when I was last in AC. Worse, they seem to have the same taste as me. I have seen them numerous times, pick the best looking girls from a club, then leave. Sometimes with the girls, and sometimes without them. I found it a bit frustrating and as a result, seriously thinking about skipping AC next time. In Pattaya, I stopped going to gogo bars a long time ago. I don't find them interesting anymore, just too overpriced.

No insights from me unfortunately, just an observation. I live in the US, and my mongering diet has been strictly Korean when in the US. We also have Korean mongers living in the US. From interactions via, our local forums, they do better than us but not much, due to language and cultural advantage. We tend to treat the women better.

[RakSopheni]

Korean 2 week millionaires pay top dollar for certain ladies in gogos. They like them with light skin so they look more Korean. That driver up prices for everyone.

And gogo ladies attract more idiot sponsors who give them money for nothing. So the ladies barely have to show up to make good money to give to their Thai boyfriend.

It's puzzling to me how Korean mongers seem to have such an outstanding influence on the South East Asian scene given their small size as a country (51 million) and decent ($33 k) but not quite US ($75 k) or UK ($47 k) level of per capita GDP. In less than 5-10 years they have developed a reputation as big spenders and have come to dominate the scene in many countries. They have completely taken over Angeles in Philippines, and now represent the primary top-end clients in Pattaya. They clearly punch above their weight as far as spending power and the commensurate downstream effects on price levels effect us all.

Another puzzling thing about the Koreans is reports (albeit hearsay), that they are not particularly demanding in the bedroom, seeing the actual sex as secondary or tertiary activity to group bonding (drinking an playing cards with other Korean men). The "make it rain" attitude is mostly about demonstrating wealth to other Koreans and a magnetic pull to the ladies- but they are not converting this in the bedroom apparently. Western mongers are known for long demanding sex sessions but the "3 minute, 3 inches, 3 thousand" (baht or pp) adage hints at a different type of experience.

I understand the South Asian fetishization of their lighter skin, and the cultural hegemony of their cultural exports (K-pop), but is this and their proximity to the mongering areas all that really explain their dominance? It does not make sense that there would be more big spenders from this small peninsula than the many countries that make up the Western, English speaking world.

Maybe we need to Steel-Man this hypothesis- is there any "there" there- or is this a case of the type of inevitable cultural friction that arises from breeding opportunity competition and just brings out the xenophobia, colonial prejudices and mischaracterizations?

What do K-Americans or K-Brits make of it all being able to see into both realities?

Anyone have any insights that I might've missed?

[Mr Enternational]

You have to realize, that all hotel safes have a backdoor, usually a mechanical key which fits a hidden keyhole on all the safes of the same type.

This is needed because some guests leave the safe locked on checkout.

The key should be kept by the reception, but housekeeping usually carries one. It's your call!

This means nothing. The majority can be opened with a magnet or just by a hard slap. No key or combination needed. But like XXL was saying, there is no rash of people running around stealing out of hotel safes in Thailand.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=57OHIH_JhaI

[Daddy San]

Been a few years in TH now. Always kept valuables (cash, passport, smartphone) in the room safe. I was never stolen. Very low risk in Thailand.

You have to realize, that all hotel safes have a backdoor, usually a mechanical key which fits a hidden keyhole on all the safes of the same type.

This is needed because some guests leave the safe locked on checkout.

The key should be kept by the reception, but housekeeping usually carries one. It's your call!

[XXL]

Are safe in hotels safe / reliable? I read somewhere (possibly on Reddit) that a couple lost all their valuable, which they put in the safe. Others commented that the housekeeping can gain access to safe easily. Any way to sag guard your money while traveling there? Thanks in advance.

Been a few years in TH now. Always kept valuables (cash, passport, smartphone) in the room safe. I was never stolen. Very low risk in Thailand.

[Supmam]

This guy simping bad. Or found his niche. Filming chick's in nightclub attire who run food stalls. Then puts content on YouTube and gets the bucks rolling in.

He's found or made some stars no doubt.

Feels like onlyfans for street vendors. Simps sending her money, when it's the pimp that's really profiting.

https://youtube.com/@STREETFOODJOURNEY5

[Supmam]

Investigative journalism!!

Love the last paragraph. He was looking in the rear view mirror to check they weren't fucking!!

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1815914

[XXL]

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But now Mr. Boi is reporting the Kinnaree girls "don't session in the club." Hmmm. My Kinnaree experience pre-dates COVID, so I'm wondering about the current state of play. Can anybody who has patronized Kinnaree recently weigh in here? I find it hard to believe that the action there is limited to take out only.

Bunky

They still had rooms last week.

[HorseTrader]

Are safe in hotels safe / reliable? I read somewhere (possibly on Reddit) that a couple lost all their valuable, which they put in the safe. Others commented that the housekeeping can gain access to safe easily. Any way to sag guard your money while traveling there? Thanks in advance.

If this happened often I'm sure you'd hear it happening much more on here. Don't recall the last time an ISG member has said their safe was broken into. Every hotel even in the Western world has a master key to open all safes in a hotel. Housekeepers usually don't have access to that key. Now if you were careless enough to let a housekeeper or girl see your lock number then that's a different situation altogether.

A few years ago the battery in the safe at my hotel died while my stuff was inside. It was a bit complex to get approval for the handy man to get the master key. I feel confident that my valuable are safe inside a hotel safe.

[Cha Chumplin]

The gogo girls they bring in for special events don't session inside the bar. They are paid for the day to entertain the customers with strip shows on the tables. They're open to go home with when Kinnaree shuts down at 5 pm unless they have to get ready for work at their gogo bar. The daily house girls at Kinnaree all still session. Nothing has changed on that front.



If this happened often I'm sure you'd hear it happening much more on here. Don't recall the last time an ISG member has said their safe was broken into. Every hotel even in the Western world has a master key to open all safes in a hotel. Housekeepers usually don't have access to that key. Now if you were careless enough to let a housekeeper or girl see your lock number then that's a different situation altogether.

If you have something really valuable I would leave it at the front desk safe and stay at a name brand hotel.

You tube lots of videos how to open Hotel Safes.

[Mr Enternational]

Are safe in hotels safe / reliable? I read somewhere (possibly on Reddit) that a couple lost all their valuable, which they put in the safe. Others commented that the housekeeping can gain access to safe easily. Any way to sag guard your money while traveling there? Thanks in advance.

Watch the lock picking lawyer on youtube and you will see how easy it is for anybody to open the majority of home or hotel safes.

[Allover]

Are safe in hotels safe / reliable? I read somewhere (possibly on Reddit) that a couple lost all their valuable, which they put in the safe. Others commented that the housekeeping can gain access to safe easily. Any way to sag guard your money while traveling there? Thanks in advance.

They are not 100% safe since someone on the premises has a key to unlock the safe. That being said you should consider the room safe to be secure. Any good hotel will have procedures in place to keep the keys safely and accounted for. I don't hesitate to keep my passport and extra cash in my room safe box. However, with my Charles Schwab debit card, I go the the ATM (fees reimbursed) every other day in order to keep less cash on hand. Losing a few hundred dollars won't spoil my vacation but losing more than that would hurt. Before having this debit card I would use Traveler Checks which I received from my bank at no charge. No matter what I would not recommend keeping thousands of dollars on your person or in your safe. Same goes for bringing nice, expensive jewelry. I have heard very few instances of a safe problem reported by an ISG member.