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[Banana Boi]

Trying to decide where to go for next Visa run. Last time I visited Singapore. This time trying to decide between Ho Chi Minh, Jakarta (free accommodations downtown), Phnom Penh, or back to Singapore. I left Kuala Lumpur off as I will be going there another time. Not interested in Philippines.

Good looking girls over price is the main criteria since I will only be there 3-4 days. I prefer cute faces and to look under 25. I prefer light skinned girls. I have a thing for Vietnamese girls. I prefer window shopping in a gogo club like Baccara over iBar. I enjoy brothels / laufhaus.

Suggestions?

[Robert Long]

I'm a fan of Vardenafil (Levitra in America) though it is expensive in the states. I like the fact that it gives me rock hard erections, and the kind of length and girth that I had in my youth. Also, it seems to stay in the system longer than Sildenafil. If I pop one for the evenings festivities, I always awake with a rock hard erection the next morning, if not in the middle of the night. Any suggestions regarding availability in BKK or Pattaya?

I've tried Tadalafil (Cialis) and have mixed feelings about it. It lacks the unpleasant side effects of Vardenafil and Sildenafil. But, it also gives mediocre results. Erections, but not spectacular or on demand. It gets you there, but slowly. A good choice if you have a girlfriend or enjoying a relaxing weekend with someone pleasant. But, not raging a hard on. Not a good choice for a short-time experience which requires a quick response. I wonder if I need a stronger dose.

One thing I don't like about Levitra is the unpleasant rush you can sometimes get. I popped one on the way to Energia in Medellin last April and chased it down with a Red Bull. Maybe the Red Bull was the problem but as I approached the brothel I felt my heart pumping hard and felt uncomfortable. I took a long walk around the block until the edge kind of came off and I felt normal. Once I got inside Energia, I ordered a double Scotch and I was good. I did the same thing last year in Berlin. Chased a Levitra down with a Red Bull before meeting a freelance escort. I felt great, not to mention my experience with her was awesome. But, it went awry that night in Medellin, so I popped those benign Cialis for the next three days. BTW, Sildenafil is dirt cheap in Colombia. About $1 for two 50 MG pills. Available without no hassle at any farmacia, based on the experience of others as well as my own.

My Doc gives me a mixture of Vardenafil 75 MG and Yohimbi 2 MG, in the form of a sublingual troche. Works great and lasts 18 hours. Never any residual effects like headaches or acid stomach. And I am no spring chicken at 70. But it works and that is what counts. Yes expensive as I buy in the US as a scrip.

When you absorb sublingual you get the full effects of the drug. When take with a drink the dilution factor kicks in and then the stomach has to break down. You loose a lot of the strength of the drug.

I have tried the gel but that is not that good for some reason. You can get at any vendor on the Suk. 50 baht.

RL.

[Eszpresszo]

I'm a fan of Vardenafil (Levitra in America) though it is expensive in the states. I like the fact that it gives me rock hard erections, and the kind of length and girth that I had in my youth. Also, it seems to stay in the system longer than Sildenafil. If I pop one for the evenings festivities, I always awake with a rock hard erection the next morning, if not in the middle of the night. Any suggestions regarding availability in BKK or Pattaya?

I've tried Tadalafil (Cialis) and have mixed feelings about it. It lacks the unpleasant side effects of Vardenafil and Sildenafil. But, it also gives mediocre results. Erections, but not spectacular or on demand. It gets you there, but slowly. A good choice if you have a girlfriend or enjoying a relaxing weekend with someone pleasant. But, not raging a hard on. Not a good choice for a short-time experience which requires a quick response. I wonder if I need a stronger dose.

One thing I don't like about Levitra is the unpleasant rush you can sometimes get. I popped one on the way to Energia in Medellin last April and chased it down with a Red Bull. Maybe the Red Bull was the problem but as I approached the brothel I felt my heart pumping hard and felt uncomfortable. I took a long walk around the block until the edge kind of came off and I felt normal. Once I got inside Energia, I ordered a double Scotch and I was good. I did the same thing last year in Berlin. Chased a Levitra down with a Red Bull before meeting a freelance escort. I felt great, not to mention my experience with her was awesome. But, it went awry that night in Medellin, so I popped those benign Cialis for the next three days. BTW, Sildenafil is dirt cheap in Colombia. About $1 for two 50 MG pills. Available without no hassle at any farmacia, based on the experience of others as well as my own.

[Syzygies]

I suspect the tempurature of the liquid with which one takes these meds, not only Cialis or generic, as a potential factor in how quickly and effectively it works is a detail that has not been fully or officially researched or mentioned. However, I have noticed the manufacurer's fairly common recommendation for emergency relief in the case of prolonged erection (lasting more than 4 hours or something like that) is to drink lots of ice cold water.

I am surprised, since cold water or other liquid should warm up in the stomach reasonably quickly. Obviously tablets dissolve a bit quicker in hot water. We could recommend taking meds with a glass of hot water. LOL Might shave a few minutes off the time to be effective. I will ask at the bar for a glass of hot water. LOL (if they have it) and see how many minutes till my head feels fuzzy. Could be as little as 15 to 20 minutes.

I think gel is supposed to be faster due to lack of needing dissolve time. I have taken med fragments with no liquid relying on saliva only. Seems to work okay Crushed Kamagra tablets can taste bad but Cialis taste is okay I could just chew on them, although they were not very worthwhile for me. So never buy them anymore. Kamagra was far more powerful for me, being a guy that takes a long time to cum, and caused less indigestion.

I think guys should try several ones to see which is best for them and least side effects (like indigestion and headaches).

[EihTooms]

It is true that Viagra / sildenafil takes about 30 minutes to kick in on an empty stomach. In case the pharmacy doesn't have the one that acts in 15 minutes, Stendra / Avanafil, which seems pretty hard to find at least in Thailand, that's probably the best solution.

Even though the write-ups on the erection aid meds I usually use, Cialis or generic, states it doesn't matter if it is taken with or without food, with whatever drink, alcohol or non, I have noticed it does work faster (15-20 minutes max) and more effectively on a relatively empty stomach, maybe 3-4 hours since my previous meal, and when I take it with liquid no colder than room tempurature, preferably plain water.

I suspect the tempurature of the liquid with which one takes these meds, not only Cialis or generic, as a potential factor in how quickly and effectively it works is a detail that has not been fully or officially researched or mentioned. However, I have noticed the manufacurer's fairly common recommendation for emergency relief in the case of prolonged erection (lasting more than 4 hours or something like that) is to drink lots of ice cold water.

So is that an indication that there is a known inhibiting factor to mixing ice cold liquids with the meds? Could be. I know my personal experience has been it kicks in faster when I have downed the tablet with liquid that is more room tempurature rather than ice cold. Unfortunately, that is not typically what is sitting before us on the table when we take the tabs in Bangkok, is it? Lol

[Syzygies]

Thank you for the precision about Charoen Pharmacy vs. JR pharmacy at Nana. It is true that Viagra / sildenafil takes about 30 minutes to kick in on an empty stomach. In case the pharmacy doesn't have the one that acts in 15 minutes, Stendra / Avanafil, which seems pretty hard to find at least in Thailand, that's probably the best solution.

I have never seen Stendra / Avanafil but read the lead time varies a bit not always as quick as 15 minutes. Okay If its 15 minutes for you.

I never really need as little as 15 minutes warning. The only girl I get sex with without the warning, is the GF, and I don't use meds with her as she does not like to go beyond 40 minutes sex sessions, by which time she usually managed multiple orgasms as is extremely sensitive, and claims to be exhausted. LOL She knows my dick too well. She would know something is strange if it was too rock hard too quickly, which would be the case for me if medicated. She is supposed to believe I never have any use for meds any more at all, so they are well hidden. Occasionally my hard on is less than excellent if very tired, or too much fucking recently. However I try to get GF to do sex in the daytime, not so much late at night.

Experienced hookers will possibly suspect when guys are on meds too based on how fast dick goes up and how long it stays up, even though guys vary a lot. Hookers hate guys taking meds because allows them to fuck for too long. LOL

If in a bar and I want a med boost, I simply take the fragment, finish my last drink, while waiting for girl to go get changed, pay the bill, head to Hotel, both get showered, then kissing and DATY foreplay. Good kissing always makes me hard quickly, assuming not totally fucked out already. All of this easily consumes 30 minutes, before I even get to a blowjob or sex. Usually I can feel the start of something, a fuzziness in my head at 20 to 25 min mark, so I know its already working by then. This usually happens before I get to the Hotel, as I try to remember not to eat food before sex.

If I want a boost for a marathon sex at Oily visit, I simply take it before I leave home. Half life is 4 hours so problem for it to last, even if take time to find the right place and girl.

My recommendation for boosting your sex energy, is simply to lose weight. I lost 14 kilos and made a huge difference, simply by Carbohydrate restriction and total meal size restriction over several months. Girlfriend stopped calling me Moo Uan ("fat piggy"). Also greatly cutting down or eliminating wanking is a big help. I don't take HJ from girls either.

[Syzygies]

Not to get too far in the weeds but. Esomeprazole and omeprazole are classified as PPI's (Proton Pump Inhibitors). Beta-blockers are cardiac meds used for rate control and high blood pressure (not great for that purpose).
Randy 'Murican.

Yep thanks for that. The fancy names of the purpose got me mixed up. I did want Proton Pump, in layman's terms Indigestion medicine. I occasionally get Indigestion from too much lemon juice or Caiparinhas.

[Eric Swiss]

Apologies, and a correction.

The correct Pharmacy Name for all your erectile boost and other medications is Charoen Pharmacy. Its right next to J. R. Pharmacy and closest to Bully's.

Sidegra 100 MG pack of 4 tablets was 200 Baht (probably discount if you buy a lot). Note that most people do not need a whole 100 MG tablet. It is very strong. Many will find as little as a quarter of a tablet can have a strong effect. Others may find half a tablet is right for them. Depends on whether food was eaten what dose is suitable. You can buy 50 Mg tablets a different colour code, but it is cheaper to buy 100mg and split them in two.

Suppose you use half a tablet per occasion. That will work out to 25 Baht each time. Less than a dollar. That is pretty good since Genuine brand name Viagra tablet originally cost maybe 10 to 20 times that amount.

Thank you for the precision about Charoen Pharmacy vs. JR pharmacy at Nana. It is true that Viagra / sildenafil takes about 30 minutes to kick in on an empty stomach. In case the pharmacy doesn't have the one that acts in 15 minutes, Stendra / Avanafil, which seems pretty hard to find at least in Thailand, that's probably the best solution.

[Randy Murican]

Apologies, and a correction.

The correct Pharmacy Name for all your erectile boost and other medications is Charoen Pharmacy. Its right next to J. R. Pharmacy and closest to Bully's.

I asked about Esomeprazole (Beta Blocker) but they did not have a generic, as yet. Nexium brand name was expensive (845 Baht for a pack), so better to buy O. S. Omeprazole (the previous generation) is much cheaper as is Ranitidine.

Sidegra 100 MG pack of 4 tablets was 200 Baht (probably discount if you buy a lot). Note that most people do not need a whole 100 MG tablet. It is very strong. Many will find as little as a quarter of a tablet can have a strong effect. Others may find half a tablet is right for them. Depends on whether food was eaten what dose is suitable. You can buy 50 Mg tablets a different colour code, but it is cheaper to buy 100mg and split them in two.

Suppose you use half a tablet per occasion. That will work out to 25 Baht each time. Less than a dollar. That is pretty good since Genuine brand name Viagra tablet originally cost maybe 10 to 20 times that amount.

Not to get too far in the weeds but. Esomeprazole and omeprazole are classified as PPI's (Proton Pump Inhibitors). Beta-blockers are cardiac meds used for rate control and high blood pressure (not great for that purpose). Metoprolol and atenolol are examples of this group. On the other hand, an older group of drugs used for reflux (GERD) are the H2 blockers. This group reduces gastric acidity but not so profoundly as PPI's. Don't take a beta-blocker for your heartburn as it won't help and you could find your heart rate in the 60's plus a blunted response to exercise. They can also make erectile dysfunction worse. My last pass through BKK I did stop in Charoen Pharm and picked up some sidegra which had been hard to obtain in the other pharmacy's I had been using. So thanks for the tip! I'll be back in town shortly and doing a bulk purchase and I'll make an attempt to negotiate a better price. If it is a significant discount I'll post a pricing update.

Randy 'Murican.

[Syzygies]

J.R. Pharmacy as pictured by Bionicman near to Bully's is my go to place for all types of medications, without prescription. I first heard about it from Giotto on this forum years ago. There are some dangerous things they refuse to sell. There are also some fake stuff believed not to actually work, that they will not sell, as would spoil their reputation. They do very large volumes of business and pretty fair prices. Maybe not the absolute cheapest but very reliable. They have cheap generics and also sell more expensive brand names. So be careful what you ask for. Right now, I have no meds at all except for indigestion Ranitidine (for emergency use), so need to pay them a visit soon, to stock up on various meds, handy, on occasion.

Apologies, and a correction.

The correct Pharmacy Name for all your erectile boost and other medications is Charoen Pharmacy. Its right next to J. R. Pharmacy and closest to Bully's.

I asked about Esomeprazole (Beta Blocker) but they did not have a generic, as yet. Nexium brand name was expensive (845 Baht for a pack), so better to buy O. S. Omeprazole (the previous generation) is much cheaper as is Ranitidine.

Sidegra 100 MG pack of 4 tablets was 200 Baht (probably discount if you buy a lot). Note that most people do not need a whole 100 MG tablet. It is very strong. Many will find as little as a quarter of a tablet can have a strong effect. Others may find half a tablet is right for them. Depends on whether food was eaten what dose is suitable. You can buy 50 Mg tablets a different colour code, but it is cheaper to buy 100mg and split them in two.

Suppose you use half a tablet per occasion. That will work out to 25 Baht each time. Less than a dollar. That is pretty good since Genuine brand name Viagra tablet originally cost maybe 10 to 20 times that amount.

[Syzygies]

J are Pharmacy next to Bully's,can someone Please give me some directions to this place? I do not know where or what Bullys is?

Thanks.

If you can use the web and ISG, you had better learn to use Google Maps as well.

[Titanio]

J are Pharmacy next to Bully's,can someone Please give me some directions to this place? I do not know where or what Bullys is?

Thanks.

OMG!

Get your Google Map and walk from Soi 4 to Soi 2, keep your head turned left and if still can't find it, you better Goolge for a Specsavers shop, or Top Charoen of course.

[Chukar]

J are Pharmacy next to Bully's,can someone Please give me some directions to this place? I do not know where or what Bullys is?

Thanks.

[Syzygies]

An "oiy" is the archetypical naughty massage place which offers different types of massage from the classic Thai massage to the oil or lotion massages. The fun start when the massage lady after treating your legs, arms and back tells you to "turn over please". That is when the offer for a happy ending is made. HJ and BJ are almost always on offer. Many will even do FS. Some oilies are of course only thinly disguised brothels where the massage part is skipped and the fun starts right away.

A "soapy" is a place that gives you a bath service. Think of the venerable "Annies". There they start with showering you, then putting you on a plastic (air) mattress and the girl will "soap up" and slither her body all over you. A real body-to-body experience. A titjob, handjob or blowjob is usually part of this performance. Next you take a bath with her. It either allows you to recover from your first cum on the mattress or she'll make you finish now. Then you are showered again and toweled off. The session finishes with FS on the bed. Soapies do not hide at all that you are here for the sex, whereas "oilies" are a bit more secretive.

A "coyote" (also sometimes called "agency girl") is usually a better than average looking girl in an agogo club who will dance on stage and sit with the customers (when offered a laydrink) but who will (usually) not be barfinable. In other words, you cannot take her out and her main task is to make you drink more (and offer more ladydrinks) than you intended. Lately however, it seems that many "coyotes" can be taken home too but at high prices. Even their barfine is much higher.

Nothing to add for Oilies.

"Soapies" are officially called "Aap Op Nuat" which means bathe, bake or steam, and massage. Sometimes called Turkish bath house. Main characteristics of a normal Soapy in Thailand:
* An area where girls group to be chosen usually with tiers and sometimes behind glass like a fishbowl. Girls sit patiently for long periods of time till chosen or called out. Multiple areas for girls of different price ranges.
* An area where customers can sit to take time to choose the girl, often drinks and food can be taken while relaxing and making a decision. Maybe the odd place has standing only. Not good.
* Rooms with large bathtub / Jacuzzi for bathing very thoroughly with naked girl, also with couch and TV, also with doublebed for sex, and whoops also potentially for Thai massage. LOL.
* Not many places remain that provide body slide massage on an air mattress. Just a very few.

At some Oilies, you can be bathed by the girl in the bath but still are far more like Oilies than like Soapies. Its a grey area for me. Even Annies is like a cross between a Soapy and an Oily in my view. Not in true Soapy style. You cannot sit and eat and drink while viewing girls in the fishbowl, and rooms are too small, lacking a proper bed. You can get a room with bath at Addict. Not much difference in style except that Addict has showers as well. You are better off without the bath at an Oily, as the bath just wastes too much time filling. Alternatively take your other activities while the bath fills.

Coyote refers to a particular type of dancer and style of sexy dancing in bars and clubs and there is a standard outfit where girls wear, a top that covers the breasts sometimes totally, sometimes with cleavage showing, and they wear very short cutoff shorts, sometimes wear braces, and usually boots rather than shoes. Originally Coyote girls were not officially available for sex, but some may have been unofficially. They did not want to be classified as hookers. Yes High barfines to take them away from the club in places where barfinable, but need to check if they are willing to go for sex or not. Cowboy and Nana have many girls referred to as Coyotes that clearly are not. They may not dress in correct style and even if they do, don't know how to dance Coyote style at all. Just trying to appear higher class than a standard bargirl, which does not necessarily work.

[Kumbu]

An "oiy" is the archetypical naughty massage place which offers different types of massage from the classic Thai massage to the oil or lotion massages. The fun start when the massage lady after treating your legs, arms and back tells you to "turn over please". That is when the offer for a happy ending is made. HJ and BJ are almost always on offer. Many will even do FS. Some oilies are of course only thinly disguised brothels where the massage part is skipped and the fun starts right away.

A "soapy" is a place that gives you a bath service. Think of the venerable "Annies". There they start with showering you, then putting you on a plastic (air) mattress and the girl will "soap up" and slither her body all over you. A real body-to-body experience. A titjob, handjob or blowjob is usually part of this performance. Next you take a bath with her. It either allows you to recover from your first cum on the mattress or she'll make you finish now. Then you are showered again and toweled off. The session finishes with FS on the bed. Soapies do not hide at all that you are here for the sex, whereas "oilies" are a bit more secretive.

A "coyote" (also sometimes called "agency girl") is usually a better than average looking girl in an agogo club who will dance on stage and sit with the customers (when offered a laydrink) but who will (usually) not be barfinable. In other words, you cannot take her out and her main task is to make you drink more (and offer more ladydrinks) than you intended. Lately however, it seems that many "coyotes" can be taken home too but at high prices. Even their barfine is much higher.

Now here is an example of what ISG is all about. Helping out the newbies, providing some foundational information for an aspiring monger. Good on you Wolvenvacht.

And Bunnies, I hope you repay the favor with plenty of field reports.