In a restaurant across the street from Adelitas, I ordered the Carne Asada with fries. On one hand, I received a big portion and the first bite or so was good. On the other hand, it is really bland, devoid of any flavor and started to taste like leather as it cooled. You would think that they could cook it with onions or garlic or something to give it more flavor. WTF? This is the world famous Mexican steak? I always thought that Mexicans are pork and chicken people, and a little seafood near the coast. But beef people they are not. Anyways, I will stick to what Mexican know well from now on.
If you didn't live that lifestyle would she still care and spend time with you?
This comment replays in my head and sure she enjoys the trips and higher end hotels. As Ron mentioned, his regular got offended when he took her to a love motel for the first night and I'm sure the one I hang with would be the same. Also not sure how much she would enjoy lower end accommodations as she has been there and done that. She did recommend a $25 Airbnb by Cancun airport, but it looked like just a bed and not much else. You can spend $50 and get a mini kitchen and more amenities. I suggested hotels closer to center of town in Tulum, but she wants to try a remote hut on the beach. I hope I don't die of malaria or eaten alive by mosquitos. Also going to be interesting trying to stay quiet being in a hut in the middle of a jungle with other guests nearby. I'll post more in Cancun subforum, but probably just accommodations, activities and food since it looks like they only post about HJ and closed down massage joints. Seems kind of depressing over there if you don't bring takeout.
This is a serious classic Mediterranean / Italian restaurant and a very nice venue, about 1 mile South of Hong Kong, off Ave Taboada, 1 block South of Mr. Pampas.
They serve a good menu of seafood and meats, appetizers like Tuna sashimi, poached shrimps about $7, steaks filet mignon, rib eye, T-bone about $15, pastas about $10. The food is superb, service professional, the place is nice, clean, upscale.
Last time we were in Mr Pampas, it costed us $25 a piece for dinner including drinks and tips. Villa Saverinos is less expensive but is a nicer place to sit for a formal dinner with a better menu, recommended when the bros don't have to stuff themselves with tons of grilled meats hehe.
Villa Saverios.
#2 of 8058 restaurants in Tijuana.
Italian, Mediterranean, Vegetarian options.
3151 Blvrd Gral Rodolfo Sánchez Taboada, Zona areío, Tijuana.
I think what you stated about her wanting something more serious is the reason she is deciding to stay in Tijuana or the more cynical thinking is trying to hook another gringo. I wouldn't lose faith in woman if this goes south, as I've yet to be done wrong. My ex and I are still friends, but just can't live with each other. I have a pretty good read of people and I think that is why it is scary being around her as it's so intense when we meet. The other regulars are wonderful and always provide great service and fun to hang out with, but I don't get such an intense rush with the others if that makes sense. Maybe a couple, but not as intense.
Also she is the only one that is truly honest about her life, family, etc. I think the others keep it more private so as not to get too attached or scare me with their issues. She is amazed at my ability to recall small details and I told her I don't waste mental space on people I don't care about. So maybe she had bad relationships in her past, really likes foreign men, likes to travel, or lots of other variables. I try not to overthink it, but hard when emotions hit so hard. I will see what happens tonight. If she does decide to part ways, then I wont be seeing her again as it is just too intense with her. I would just see her in passing and resume seeing the others. She was sending me nudes, videos, and normal life stuff when we were apart and I think it just kept my interest. Also kept telling me they have two different levels of love in Mexico, te quiero and te amo, which I fell into the te quiero role, which means a little or poco. So I just kept telling her I miss her a little as a joke.
Interesting what you said about Te Quiero and T Amo. I had never heard of that before so I had to do a little googleing.
What do Te quiero and Te amo mean?
The terms Te quiero and Te amo are derived from the verbs querer (to want) and amar (to love). Te quiero and Te amo can both mean "I love you". The difference is that Te amo is considered more intimate, while Te quiero is considered more casual. Depending on how it's said, Te quiero can also mean "l want you".
Te quiero literally means "I want you" but its most common meaning is "I love you' and is considered an appropriate way to express platonic love. This can be quite confusing to English speakers because 'want', when directed at a person, expresses more of a physical desire rather than platonic or romantic love. Nonetheless, if you're having a heart-to-heart with your friend, you can say Te quiero to express the importance they hold for you and that you care for them deeply. However, just like English, how you say it is a big factor.
You could also express Te quiero to a person you are casually dating, but just haven't quite reached the next level of your relationship with. In English, saying the words "I love you" in a romantic context raises the stakes for the speaker. As a result, there are different ways to express how much someone means to us without jumping off the deep end, such as "I'm into you". In Spanish, we use Te quiero. Think of it as a midway point between Me gustas and Te amo – perhaps you really like the person but you just don't think you're in love yet.
Te amo is used to express deep romantic sentiments, the feeling of being 'in love'. Te amo is appropriate for romantic partners; however, teenagers and young adults say Te amo these days to their best friends. Some native speakers consider Te amo to be quite old-fashioned and young lovers would not say it to each other.
Now she could be trying to tell you things to see if you are looking to be with her or if it's just easy sex. With as many times as you had sex and at one point she wasn't to into it might make her realize that you only see her in a certain light and it will never be serious. So talking about Guadalajara or Tijuana could be her seeing if you pushed for Tijuana more to maybe try to have a more serious relationship.
I think what you stated about her wanting something more serious is the reason she is deciding to stay in Tijuana or the more cynical thinking is trying to hook another gringo. I wouldn't lose faith in woman if this goes south, as I've yet to be done wrong. My ex and I are still friends, but just can't live with each other. I have a pretty good read of people and I think that is why it is scary being around her as it's so intense when we meet. The other regulars are wonderful and always provide great service and fun to hang out with, but I don't get such an intense rush with the others if that makes sense. Maybe a couple, but not as intense.
Also she is the only one that is truly honest about her life, family, etc. I think the others keep it more private so as not to get too attached or scare me with their issues. She is amazed at my ability to recall small details and I told her I don't waste mental space on people I don't care about. So maybe she had bad relationships in her past, really likes foreign men, likes to travel, or lots of other variables. I try not to overthink it, but hard when emotions hit so hard. I will see what happens tonight. If she does decide to part ways, then I wont be seeing her again as it is just too intense with her. I would just see her in passing and resume seeing the others. She was sending me nudes, videos, and normal life stuff when we were apart and I think it just kept my interest. Also kept telling me they have two different levels of love in Mexico, te quiero and te amo, which I fell into the te quiero role, which means a little or poco. So I just kept telling her I miss her a little as a joke.
I'm confused as well. Not sure if she is testing me, but I see her later tonight. I haven't booked a room or flights for the Cancun trip, but get a better feel of what she tells or doesn't tell me through body language. I told her I would get her an apartment that I could come visit during week and a weekly allowance. I think she knows I have more than I'm offering and she probably thinks I'm going to still work my rotation. I'm off in the deep end of the pool without floaties.
I pick her up at her friends apartment later tonight. Like you said, if she has more or better opportunities, then not going to discourage her. I just reiterated that if she did go back to work, then don't get upset if I see other women and also if I don't stick around. She has such a hold on me mentally that I don't think I could keep her in my rotation if we parted. If I did move to Tijuana part time during week, then I would stop seeing other regulars as I don't have enough time or energy to maintain all of the friendships. Not sure if that makes sense.
That's the worst trick your mind plays on you and it really sucks. 90% of your mind tells you to walk away and this won't go well. But that little glimmer of hope will cause you to make bad decisions. No matter what happens you seem intelligent enough that if this doesn't go the way you wish your not out your life savings or anything. Just a learning experience, hopefully it doesn't make you hate all women in the future like some on here seem to.
So I was right about the money thing. Well if you want her as a real GF it seems she isn't interested since she would rather work. Now if your just looking for a girl you have good sex with and time you enjoy. Well you just have to decide what her time and sex is worth instead of seeing her in the bar. If that is the case I don't see why you can't see other girls except for the fact that she doesn't want you spending any money on other women just her.
I know that mental hold is hard to shake and it seems like she's got you. I imagine she's sending you lots of nude pics and videos as well to keep you interested. Well good luck with dinner.
So I'm confused on this and if you don't want to explain I understand but from what I have read this is what my small mind has understood.
So you had been texting with her and came up with a scenario where you pay for an apartment for her in Tijuana so she can work at a regular job and not worry about making more money working at the bar. You may have also offered to give some type of allowance to her as well. In response to that she said basically that money isn't enough and she would rather have sex with strangers because she can make more. If that's the correct and I'm not completely off you need to walk away and go back to having fun with others.
Just to give you and idea my ex didn't have to pay for anything with me and received a very very very small weekly allowance to buy things she wanted. She was very happy with this and just being a stay at home mom and spending time with friends. Like I said she didn't want to work or have champagne tastes. So you may have created a monster spending as much as you have with her and she thinks you are not giving her enough.
I hope I'm wrong but things seem to be getting worse with her.
I'm confused as well. Not sure if she is testing me, but I see her later tonight. I haven't booked a room or flights for the Cancun trip, but get a better feel of what she tells or doesn't tell me through body language. I told her I would get her an apartment that I could come visit during week and a weekly allowance. I think she knows I have more than I'm offering and she probably thinks I'm going to still work my rotation. I'm off in the deep end of the pool without floaties.
I pick her up at her friends apartment later tonight. Like you said, if she has more or better opportunities, then not going to discourage her. I just reiterated that if she did go back to work, then don't get upset if I see other women and also if I don't stick around. She has such a hold on me mentally that I don't think I could keep her in my rotation if we parted. If I did move to Tijuana part time during week, then I would stop seeing other regulars as I don't have enough time or energy to maintain all of the friendships. Not sure if that makes sense.
You stated the obvious. I just texted back and forth and was contemplating getting an apartment with her in Tijuana, but she said she can make what I can offer her in a day. I said well go for it and don't let me hold you back from your dreams. She is from some poor ranch town. I was waiting for the other shoe to drop and seems like it has.
So I'm confused on this and if you don't want to explain I understand but from what I have read this is what my small mind has understood.
So you had been texting with her and came up with a scenario where you pay for an apartment for her in Tijuana so she can work at a regular job and not worry about making more money working at the bar. You may have also offered to give some type of allowance to her as well. In response to that she said basically that money isn't enough and she would rather have sex with strangers because she can make more. If that's the correct and I'm not completely off you need to walk away and go back to having fun with others.
Just to give you and idea my ex didn't have to pay for anything with me and received a very very very small weekly allowance to buy things she wanted. She was very happy with this and just being a stay at home mom and spending time with friends. Like I said she didn't want to work or have champagne tastes. So you may have created a monster spending as much as you have with her and she thinks you are not giving her enough.
I hope I'm wrong but things seem to be getting worse with her.
Sometimes you need someone to be captain obvious so I will take on that role by stating a couple things we all know, but need reminders from time to time: 1) what a woman wants and what she says rarely align and 2) never underestimate the value find them, fuck them and flee.
Yeah easier said than done. I enjoy the honeymoon sexcapades, but you don't get those from one and done meetings. Sometimes you do and it is magical, but rare. I feel bad in a way with the fleeing part for some as they have opened their homes to me and showed me their part of the Baja that they know. I would never have found the spots they've taken me to. This one I'm meeting said she wants to break the bed when we are in Paris and I'm thinking damn she knows me too well. It makes me curious what is going to happen in Cancun. We might join the mile high club in the lavatory on the flight over. I'll share on Friday after the visit what transpires good or bad.
That's why I just advise not to let it get to that point and have fun but always make it clear that this is not a real relationship and if they have better opportunities with someone or something else they should do that as your not looking to get married or support them.
You stated the obvious. I just texted back and forth and was contemplating getting an apartment with her in Tijuana, but she said she can make what I can offer her in a day. I said well go for it and don't let me hold you back from your dreams. She is from some poor ranch town. I was waiting for the other shoe to drop and seems like it has.
We have dinner tomorrow, insanity right? Start of Cancun planning is rocky, but I know another regular wants to go to Isla Mujeres and she is no drama. I guess when you are emotionally tied and so much time spent together it gets more complicated. Just sharing and interesting to see others perspectives that have been down this road. Only longtime bar girl relationship was in Thailand, but then she got feelings and cut it off.
I'm not apologizing as it was miscommunication. I told her I'm confused when she tells me the quiero means love you a little which in the USA Could mean like a friend or whatever, but I asked her what she wants and she said I should know. I'm totally oblivious to what women want and in the USA We are more direct like we like you or fuck off. She said she still wasn't feeling the trip as she is still hurt from the last visit. I said cool I'll still go since it is hard for me to carve out time in my schedule. She asked if I'm taking someone else with me as she knows me. I just reiterated that if she doesn't want to go, then it tells me all I need to know. So she wants to go now and not sure how it is going to go, but if it sucks the energy from me rather than recharge me, then most likely going to let her know trip to Paris is off. All of this is 1st world monger problems. I know I bring a lot to offer as some regulars send me photos of some Instagram models and say I look like them, which I'm not a narcissist and could care less how I look or what they imagine I look like, but I take care of myself and go to the gym 1-2 hours per day 4-5 days per week. It is more for my mental health than anything else.
I think the way we connect physically and on a mental level is crazy. Almost cerebral level since she knows what I'm thinking or what I like. Imagine if we spoke the same language, but then again I probably would have fucked up the relationship even further because I tell it how it is. She actually thanked me for my honesty and I told her the same. Life is too short to be fake and hang out with toxic people. I told her if she doesn't enjoy hanging out, then don't torture yourself or me and nice meeting you. So in the end, hope the trip is fun and we can resume enjoying time with each other, if not, then I'm resuming normal visits with the other regulars that I've been neglecting as they still try to reach out.
Sometimes you need someone to be captain obvious so I will take on that role by stating a couple things we all know, but need reminders from time to time: 1) what a woman wants and what she says rarely align and 2) never underestimate the value find them, fuck them and flee.
I think it is great that you are going to Cancun with her, as it is the perfect chance to try to reignite the flame with her. It is easy to catch feelings for a working girl, but it is hard for a working girl to catch feelings for you, so that means you did a lot of positive things for her and really made an impact on her for her to exhibit these emotions towards you (ex: wearing her sweater over her head so you couldn't see her tears). And not to mention this girl is actually in school trying to improve her life situation, unlike other girls who say they are in school but actually aren't. So I can definitely see why you felt like shit and still have the Paris trip on the schedule, as it would probably break her completely if you were to cancel it. The language barrier adds an additional challenge, as it is hard sometimes to convey the message you want to send through Google Translate.
I'm not apologizing as it was miscommunication. I told her I'm confused when she tells me the quiero means love you a little which in the USA Could mean like a friend or whatever, but I asked her what she wants and she said I should know. I'm totally oblivious to what women want and in the USA We are more direct like we like you or fuck off. She said she still wasn't feeling the trip as she is still hurt from the last visit. I said cool I'll still go since it is hard for me to carve out time in my schedule. She asked if I'm taking someone else with me as she knows me. I just reiterated that if she doesn't want to go, then it tells me all I need to know. So she wants to go now and not sure how it is going to go, but if it sucks the energy from me rather than recharge me, then most likely going to let her know trip to Paris is off. All of this is 1st world monger problems. I know I bring a lot to offer as some regulars send me photos of some Instagram models and say I look like them, which I'm not a narcissist and could care less how I look or what they imagine I look like, but I take care of myself and go to the gym 1-2 hours per day 4-5 days per week. It is more for my mental health than anything else.
I think the way we connect physically and on a mental level is crazy. Almost cerebral level since she knows what I'm thinking or what I like. Imagine if we spoke the same language, but then again I probably would have fucked up the relationship even further because I tell it how it is. She actually thanked me for my honesty and I told her the same. Life is too short to be fake and hang out with toxic people. I told her if she doesn't enjoy hanging out, then don't torture yourself or me and nice meeting you. So in the end, hope the trip is fun and we can resume enjoying time with each other, if not, then I'm resuming normal visits with the other regulars that I've been neglecting as they still try to reach out.
Well I am taking next week off and heading to Cancun with her. I know pretty crazy huh, but they all tell me I'm crazy. She can do video telecon for course work during day and hopefully complete homework as she states it is math intensive coursework. I'm not an engineer so have no idea. I was thinking Isla Mujeres one day and Tulum the next. Not sure what are the best spots, but like you mentioned, if expectations don't go well during this trip, then maybe cancel Paris and go by myself for New Years or find another chica that is available. We agreed that drinking to where we both pass out and don't recall the events that happened isn't good for either of us.
She would send me nude photos, videos, and just general daily photos of what she ate and me being cynical/oblivious thought she was sending these to everyone she has ever met at HK. I can read people, but only when I can also see body language, but hard to tell in phone calls and texts. Like you mentioned, she thought we were exclusive and I wasnt aware of that arrangement. She told me te quiero multiple times but said it meant she loves me a little and not the amor type of love. I was confused and kept saying I miss her a little as a joke. Being around her makes me nervous as I know it is dangerous feeling this way as the other regulars are more carefree and enjoy time together, but this feeling is more intense with her. It is like she lit my soul on fire. The last night in Rosarito I can recall listening to Dread Mar Asi Fue and she said Juan Gabriel sang it better. So we listened to each version and I told her I felt the song in my heart even though I dont understand Spanish. She played some other songs for me and it was a memorable bonding experience. Funny the next day I just drop kicked her when I took her to the restaurant that I took another regular. I honestly didnt think twice about how she felt as some of the other regulars are always so kind and hospitable. Im glad Thailand isnt right across the border from the U.S. as Im sure those ladies offer same level of hospitality, but better food. You have a link to your trip?
I think it is great that you are going to Cancun with her, as it is the perfect chance to try to reignite the flame with her. It is easy to catch feelings for a working girl, but it is hard for a working girl to catch feelings for you, so that means you did a lot of positive things for her and really made an impact on her for her to exhibit these emotions towards you (ex: wearing her sweater over her head so you couldn't see her tears). And not to mention this girl is actually in school trying to improve her life situation, unlike other girls who say they are in school but actually aren't. So I can definitely see why you felt like shit and still have the Paris trip on the schedule, as it would probably break her completely if you were to cancel it. The language barrier adds an additional challenge, as it is hard sometimes to convey the message you want to send through Google Translate.
Have you tried apologizing to her? I am not talking about saying "lo siento", but something more sincere. From your story, I don't think you did anything wrong, but clearly she did not see it that way and probably thinks you committed a big sin. I am wondering how she feels about you currently, as there is still the elephant in the room with the whole seeing other girls thing. One thing I would consider doing is writing out an apology letter to recite to her in broken Spanish (reciting rather than giving it to her to read as it improves the chance you come off as being sincere) if things start going south in Cancun. If I were writing the letter, I would mention how I was sorry for hurting her and how it made me feel like shit to see her crying in the car on the ride back last time. I would also mention that yes I am seeing other girls, but you are different compared to them (which is true because you said she makes you feel emotions the other girls don't) because _.
As for my trip, it was before I joined this forum so there is no report on it. The trip, which was to Rio de Janeiro, was good but could have been a lot better. After the fight the first night, we acted more like platonic friends compared to lovers. I realized after the trip why she got mad at me the first night. It was because I surprised her by booking a Love Motel for us so we could have a romantic night together. Apparently she was offended by this because it "made her look like a working girl", and she has been in these places tons of times before so I guess her mind equated the Love Motel to her working. It made no sense to me as I was genuinely just trying to do a romantic gesture, but whatever, these girls' train of thought are completely different than ours. Thankfully, towards the end of the trip, I was able to visit a Terma to get rid of my sexual frustration. The girl I chose was amazing and literally fucked the frustration right out of me.
They truly appreciate the experience as long as they arent a hardened pro that has been and seen it all. The new girls that dont last long in the trade show genuine excitement and interest seeing the places that they probably could never afford to see in their lifetimes. I have the resources and means so why not share it with them? Ive been poor and ate out of garbage cans when I was a little kid and it sucked. Life is better with money.
Talking with these girls makes me realize how lucky we have it compared to them. During my trip to Tijuana last month, I took a girl up to the room I was staying in and she the first thing she mentioned was how my room was bigger than her home. And my room was maybe the size of a small studio apartment.
With your girl, this will most likely be the only time in her life she will be in Paris. Before she met you, visiting Paris was most likely a farfetched dream for her. Which is why I am really hoping you can repair your relationship with her before the trip to ensure the trip goes well. Because the upside is an amazing experience that will be one of the highlights of her life, which in turn will lead her to treat you like a King again. And that's a pretty damn good upside if you ask me. Keep us updated on what happens, now that I am invested I want to hear what ends up happening in Cancun.
Being that she is a working girl, I am a little surprised she developed feelings for you, but I guess the gifts you gave her and the mini trips / getaways with her unlocked her heart.
Forgot to address this, but as many have stated before the women don't particularly like working in the bars. It is a means to an end. If you have a mother, sister, or daughter, then imagine what would have to drive them to mentally prepare themselves the first day and everyday they work selling their body for money. Some have kids, some had bills, some have family obligations, and others want to accelerate the process of reaching their investment goals. A lot like to travel and could never imagine flying internationally, plus the costs of food, hotel, and activities. They truly appreciate the experience as long as they arent a hardened pro that has been and seen it all. The new girls that dont last long in the trade show genuine excitement and interest seeing the places that they probably could never afford to see in their lifetimes. I have the resources and means so why not share it with them? Ive been poor and ate out of garbage cans when I was a little kid and it sucked. Life is better with money.
I know most make $300-$800 per month working 5 days a week. Imagine them working and making a minimum of $300 per day. They just made a years salary in a couple of weeks. I imagine the top talent makes a boatload more. The thing with money is that if they don't educate themselves to invest it properly, then they will never get off that wheel until they are old and no one shows interest in them. You see it in Pattaya on Beach Rd. of working ladies past their prime. Some mongers love the cheap deals, but not something I would pursue. No judgement if that is your thing.