Toronto

[Manny51]

Hey fellas! I just finished my first trip to Toronto. It was mostly for business, but some punting was definitely an objective. This post is mostly for lay of the land stuff for newbies, stuff that I wish I knew before I came. Canadian native punters will find this too elementary, or may disagree.

For the visitor, there are basically two options: massage parlors (with extras) and Escort services. For online research, there are two options. Terb. Ca is the most comprehensive website, very similar to ISG, and easy to sign up for. It is a Canada-focused, easy to search resource. Lots of escort reviews. For massage parlors, the main "resource" is http://www.toronto-exotic-massage.com/. But it's mostly just a listing. Few reviews of any value. And many of the reviews that I did read complained that the venues were dirty and gross. I decided to disregard.

There are many agencies, most of which you will see listed here and on terb. But the most prominent ones were SFT, Secrets, Mirage, and HPL. Every Sunday night / Monday morning, the agencies post their schedules for the upcoming week. And they fill up fast. Most ladies work day shifts, something like 12-6 pm. The schedule is made one week at a time. Nothing is posted about future dates. Each agency sponsors several locations around the city. Most of the locations are in private or rented apartments in the northern suburbs (Markham, North York) or east in Missussuaga, which is where the Toronto airport is. However, each agency will have at least one location in downtown.

For out of towners who are visiting, the strategy is to research the major agencies and read reviews on terb. Based on their website descriptions (which include donation fees), limited photos, and the reviews, you should make a list of at least 7-8 that would appeal to you if they are available. Then Sunday night or Monday morning, check the schedules to see if they are working that week and where, then call to make a reservation. Once confirmed, they will text you the exact location and the number to call at the lobby intercom. They will buzz you in. You must call from an actual mobile phone number. Whatsapp alone is not enough. By Tuesday morning, the quality ladies are all booked up.

Here are some things to keep in mind. Firstly, Toronto is VERY big, and the maps of Toronto in your tourist books are deceiving. Most tourists will be located in downtown for business or whatever. The northern suburbs themselves are also large. I would consider travelling from downtown to North York akin to travelling from Manhattan to Brooklyn. By subway it takes 30-40 minutes. And that's assuming you can get there point to point by subway. On weekends, the metro lines are cut short, and not all the stations are in service. You have to take a bus the rest of the way. I experienced this first hand. It's a pain in the ass. I suppose that if you are fortunate enough to have a car, that you can drive. But driving in the city seems to be a pain. For out of towners, I would recommend sticking to the downtown locations. Most of them you can either walk, metro, or tram to. That being said, there are many locales near the airport, so I can see a 4–5-hour layover being very appealing.

I would very much look at, and constantly refer back to, a Google Map of Toronto. If you can, pick a hotel near one of the Line 1 Metro stops. It will make a big difference.

To someone staying downtown, there is only one really useful subway line, Line 1, the yellow line. It is shaped like a thin letter "you" with the bottom being Union Station at the Waterfront, where the Amtrak and Airport trains also come in. One arm of it goes up Yonge Street. The other goes in a slightly diagonal direction to the northwest. I suspect that most agencies will try to keep their locales within walking distance of a metro or tram stop, especially downtown, where they know most people won't have cars. Secondly, most of the agencies require that first timers be either senior terb members or get a reference from one. Seriously. Of course, different agencies will give newbies some slack, but you are at their mercy.

As you can see, this is a system that favors the local who can take all the time they need to research the reviews, and have the patience to perhaps wade through the bad experiences to savor the good ones. And they are familiar with the neighborhoods and can drive anywhere. There is nothing like a Hotel Del Rey or FKKs here – the point and shoot experience that I prefer. I had never tried an escort agency until now. I was always hesitant because I much prefer to see the goods. The experience pretty much matched my expectations. My experience was such the textbook definition of mediocre that I won't even go into it. The descriptions / photos are usually very "complimentary. " The photos have the faces blurred out, and can often be years old. I also suspect that at least some of the reviews are fake / planted. There is a lot of prep required, and for something that may not pan out.

It's not that you can't have fun here. It won't be bad. You don't have to worry about people lifting your wallet or drugging you or whatever. And from what I can tell, agencies don't want bad reviews so they try to encourage everyone to do a good job. A single lady can always change her stage name and go to another agency. But once an agency's name is besmirched, that's it. Nonetheless, it is still a lot of work for what will likely be a mediocre experience for you.

Donations range between 160-220 CAD. I found the best way to get CAD was at a downtown currency exchange. I used one called Calforex, in the Eaton Centre Mall. Clean, reliable, and open to 7 pm. No passport necessary if you exchanged a few hundred dollars. For $100, it gave me $127 CAD. The mid-market rate was 130. This is as good as it gets. The airport was offering 109. Chase Bank in the US was offering me 120. Guesstimate how many sessions you are thinking of, and exchange a few bills. Buy 4-5 single use metro cards. Each one is good for unlimited use for 2 hours from the first punch in. If you do the math, the day passes and Presto cards aren't worth it.

In terms of food, the best place to eat is at the St Lawrence Market, rated the best Farmer's Market in the world. Get a Peameal Bacon sandwich at Carousel for $7. For dinner, have what Toronto does best – Asian. Try Pai Thai food in downtown, or one of many good restaurant choices in the old Chinatown. I sampled traditional Canadian foods like poutine, bagels, smoked meat, and tourtiere, but they were much better in Montreal. If you've been there before, you'll be disappointed by the versions here.

You can briefly enjoy the hobby if you are in town anyway. But Toronto is not a punting destination. For that, head to Montreal.

[Zeos1]

Thanks! This helps. Any idea about private or unconventional strip clubs? When I was in New York City, used the visit Fetish Affairs (you can Google it for more details). Basically it's like a private, invite only strip club that is assembled in a closed premise with free lance birds. I searched and couldn't find any in Toronto. If patrons here can throw some light, that would be extremely useful. Thanks in advance!

Nothing like that as far as I know. There are other sorts of clubs, swingers, BDSM, etc. That are private clubs or groups, but nothing along the line of a strip club.

[PussInThePants]

Mississauga and Brampton clubs may have more mileage, but only in VIP rooms / areas. Downtown, only are 2 maybe 3. One scheduled to be closed soon for redevelopment of site.

Last time I was at any of them it was $20/song for a dance.

Thanks! This helps. Any idea about private or unconventional strip clubs? When I was in New York City, used the visit Fetish Affairs (you can Google it for more details). Basically it's like a private, invite only strip club that is assembled in a closed premise with free lance birds. I searched and couldn't find any in Toronto. If patrons here can throw some light, that would be extremely useful. Thanks in advance!

[Zeos1]

Folks, I m new to Toronto and planning to check out some strip clubs just for fun. Not too much into strip clubs, but just wanted to try out. Wanted to check the current lap dance rates and I'm not interested in private rooms. Also how is the mileage? I m planning to check out popular ones in downtown. If there are any other recommendations, please let me know. Thanks in advance!

Mississauga and Brampton clubs may have more mileage, but only in VIP rooms / areas. Downtown, only are 2 maybe 3. One scheduled to be closed soon for redevelopment of site.

Last time I was at any of them it was $20/song for a dance.

[PussInThePants]

Folks, I m new to Toronto and planning to check out some strip clubs just for fun. Not too much into strip clubs, but just wanted to try out. Wanted to check the current lap dance rates and I'm not interested in private rooms. Also how is the mileage? I m planning to check out popular ones in downtown. If there are any other recommendations, please let me know. Thanks in advance!

[WyattEarp]

Thanks everyone!

How quickly do they respond to texts? I texted some of the places last night and none of them have gotten back to me.

Yes, I have been combing terb for info and research. I have actually travelled extensively. And what I do know is that advice for anything, including exchanging money, can vary slightly for different countries. As I mentioned, the exchange rate at the Medellin Airport is better than anywhere in the city.

They might get back to you this morning. What you text is very important. Some of the bookers don't want a lot of questions. They almost always don't want to discuss "services". The best text conversation for them is I want this girl (name) today or tomorrow or whenever. End of story. They most certainly do not want to text with you if they know you aren't in Canada. Also, text apps are many times ignored.

If you feel you are not being acknowledged, you can call them. I would not expect to have a long conversation.

As I noted, many of the popular girls get booked up for the week when the new schedule comes out on the weekend. That is why on the Montreal thread I tell tourists to just have a wide-open schedule and give them several days as options. Don't start texting that you want to see one of their stars at 7 pm tonight. They will work around regulars' schedules not a tourist dropping in for a few days.

I'm sorry you don't exactly sound like an experienced traveler if you are asking about ATMs, exchanging at the airport and such. We got it. The Medellin airport is the best place to exchange money in Colombia. In 95% of the world, the airport is the worst place to exchange money. The rate is bad. They add on fees.

[Manny51]

Thanks everyone!

How quickly do they respond to texts? I texted some of the places last night and none of them have gotten back to me.

Yes, I have been combing terb for info and research. I have actually travelled extensively. And what I do know is that advice for anything, including exchanging money, can vary slightly for different countries. As I mentioned, the exchange rate at the Medellin Airport is better than anywhere in the city.

I think escorts are the easiest for Canadian newbies to navigate. You text them your request and they text back a confirmation. Generally, they will not respond to text apps. So you need to use your USA Phone or pick-up a Canadian SIM card at a convenience store upon arrival. Most of the popular girls get booked up late Saturday night and early Sunday morning when agencies post the week's advance schedule.

There are an abundance of reputable agencies. Off the top of my head, there is Hot Pink List, Hush, Mirage, Top Drawer Ladies, Sexy Friends Toronto and Toronto Passions. They all have websites which typically explain price, location and profiles with discreet photos. There are of course independents that might or might not screen. It can take a bit more effort to book an independent and they tend to charge more for their looks and reputation.

As far as money, many experienced travelers have a bank account with Schwab or another on-line bank where you can make withdrawals anywhere in world without an ATM fee. There are foreign exchange places all over downtown Toronto and the suburbs. Many of them quote their current exchange rates on-line. (I wouldn't say there is a "best".) The airport is a really a bad place for foreign exchange. The United States retail exchange sites are horrible for exchanging currency.

Since you seem to have never left the United States, I would suggest you read travel articles on general travel topics like exchanging currency or accessing foreign currency.

[WyattEarp]

About to head out to Toronto for a few days. My first punting trip in a long long time. I have been mostly prepping on terb. Ca. I have also read some of this forum. Seems to me that escorts is the way to go, even though everyone on ISG seems to mostly talk about massage parlors. Can anyone provide or point me to a lay of the land?

Any tips on getting the best rates on Canadian Dollars? Do you get the canadian dollars in the states BEFORE you leave? Do you use your ATM card (I am always reluctant to do so, regardless of country)? Exchange counters or Casa de CAmbios in the city? Walking into a Bank of Canada? What location is best? Downtown? The airport?

I think escorts are the easiest for Canadian newbies to navigate. You text them your request and they text back a confirmation. Generally, they will not respond to text apps. So you need to use your USA Phone or pick-up a Canadian SIM card at a convenience store upon arrival. Most of the popular girls get booked up late Saturday night and early Sunday morning when agencies post the week's advance schedule.

There are an abundance of reputable agencies. Off the top of my head, there is Hot Pink List, Hush, Mirage, Top Drawer Ladies, Sexy Friends Toronto and Toronto Passions. They all have websites which typically explain price, location and profiles with discreet photos. There are of course independents that might or might not screen. It can take a bit more effort to book an independent and they tend to charge more for their looks and reputation.

As far as money, many experienced travelers have a bank account with Schwab or another on-line bank where you can make withdrawals anywhere in world without an ATM fee. There are foreign exchange places all over downtown Toronto and the suburbs. Many of them quote their current exchange rates on-line. (I wouldn't say there is a "best".) The airport is a really a bad place for foreign exchange. The United States retail exchange sites are horrible for exchanging currency.

Since you seem to have never left the United States, I would suggest you read travel articles on general travel topics like exchanging currency or accessing foreign currency.

[Zeos1]

Use you ATM card I suspect or your credit card. There are no exchange counters in the city, or casas de cambios because that would be spanish. You can't walk into the Bank of Canada because it is not a retail / commercial bank, same as the US Fed. But you could walk into any bank and exchange, it is just you would probably not get as good a rate as you would through your debit or credit card. Not the airport for sure.

To add. If you have an American credit card or debit card using the major networks, Visa or Mastercard, I think your cost is around 1% on exchange. Very good. You could confirm that with your bank perhaps.

If you exchange at the airport it will be at least 5%. If you do it in a bank, 3% at least. If you do it in the US at your bank, I have no idea but probably in the range of 3% or more. There are a few currency exchange places, but outside the airport I don't think they are common, but if you wanted to exchange a larger amount of money before hand you could try one of them online.

[Zeos1]

Hey Fellas!

About to head out to Toronto for a few days. My first punting trip in a long long time. I have been mostly prepping on terb. Ca. I have also read some of this forum. Seems to me that escorts is the way to go, even though everyone on ISG seems to mostly talk about massage parlors. Can anyone provide or point me to a lay of the land?

Any tips on getting the best rates on Canadian Dollars? Do you get the canadian dollars in the states BEFORE you leave? Do you use your ATM card (I am always reluctant to do so, regardless of country)? Exchange counters or Casa de CAmbios in the city? Walking into a Bank of Canada? What location is best? Downtown? The airport? (And BTW, for those newbies to Medellin, I would say that the best rates by far in Medellin are at the exchange cambios on the first floor at the airport.).

Any and all tips and recommendations are welcome. Thanks in advance!

Use you ATM card I suspect or your credit card. There are no exchange counters in the city, or casas de cambios because that would be spanish. You can't walk into the Bank of Canada because it is not a retail / commercial bank, same as the US Fed. But you could walk into any bank and exchange, it is just you would probably not get as good a rate as you would through your debit or credit card. Not the airport for sure.

[Manny51]

Hey Fellas!

About to head out to Toronto for a few days. My first punting trip in a long long time. I have been mostly prepping on terb. Ca. I have also read some of this forum. Seems to me that escorts is the way to go, even though everyone on ISG seems to mostly talk about massage parlors. Can anyone provide or point me to a lay of the land?

Any tips on getting the best rates on Canadian Dollars? Do you get the canadian dollars in the states BEFORE you leave? Do you use your ATM card (I am always reluctant to do so, regardless of country)? Exchange counters or Casa de CAmbios in the city? Walking into a Bank of Canada? What location is best? Downtown? The airport? (And BTW, for those newbies to Medellin, I would say that the best rates by far in Medellin are at the exchange cambios on the first floor at the airport.).

Any and all tips and recommendations are welcome. Thanks in advance!

[Boomer10]

Would you mind explaining what's Qp-Q4 or Kp-K4?

From your original post "get in touch with pawn stars", it's a joke. In chess Qp-Q4 means move the Queen's pawn to Queen's 4 (ie move it 2 squares forward).

[Ackson13]

Would you mind explaining what's Qp-Q4 or Kp-K4?

https://www.vipspa19.com/

[BigTimeMonger]

Would you mind explaining what's Qp-Q4 or Kp-K4?

Pawn starts are often Qp-Q4 or Kp-K4.

[BlueSteel90]

Probably QQ Spa (10 East Wilmot St, Unit 25, Richmond Hill ON).

http://www.qq-spa.com/girls.html

Thanks Boomer!