Montreal

[Android2987]

It isn't a case of you being a better John

I promise I'm just an ordinary guy. The girls were just doing me a favor. LOL. But that being said I am a priest and a prominent member of the church.

especially Jalimon.

I understand J-Mon. Is a black belt. I was joking.

The reason I made that post is to help out the community. Some think they have to spend 1500 to have some fun. It's not always the case. But if you want to spend it!

[Mongerer88]

Android,

Pretty sure everyone on the thread with more than 10 posts has figured out the method you are describing, especially Jalimon.

It works best in the USA, actually, where screening is a hassle, and with independents who like to raise their rates after building a customer base. They often grandfather in existing customers at old rates with a promise of secrecy, and accept very reasonable offers from existing customers for multi-hour engagements.

We have all done those things, and still do them. It is certainly great to get to know the ladies better, but what you lose is variety. What makes the Montreal market appealing, especially the agency system, is the constant influx of new 18-25 year-olds. So a lot of posters do things differently in Montreal than they do, or would do, in other markets. They want many shorter sessions with many new ladies.

It isn't a case of you being a better John, although this lady, or ladies, have convinced you that is the case for marketing purposes. And some Montreal agency ladies certainly see regular customers on the side. Everyone, even the agencies, realizes that.

[Android2987]

Okay last message. I've already said too much. Here's my experience. You don't have to read it. Sorry if you disagree. Sometimes people just have different life experiences.

And yes I agree with what some of you say that it's difficult develop a sugar friendship. And most girls just aren't interested. And it takes a long time.

Now gather around and listen young fryers as I will not send you out into the wilderness as a wolf amongst sheep.

Care to say who it was?

I could. But I shouldn't.

But these special rates are for people she trust and has some sort of friendship with so would it make a difference if I named her?

She's very tall very thin and very blonde. Escort from an agency. 9.5/10 Revealing her identity wouldn't help me accomplish my goals in the bedroom. And we have a little artificial friendship and trust so I can't violate the terms and conditions. But I will say the important part.

For example I paid 350 to 500. For the evening. Usually 2 to 3 hours. I believe personally the standard is somewhere around that range. Once I went to her house just to talk for an hour just for 60. The 2nd time we were going to talk again for 60 but I got carried away and it ended up being a very physical sexy 400 cad conversation. It happens. Also one time we just talked over the video phone. Yes I know a lot of guys and girls think talking is stupid. But whatever.

I really like going over to her house and doing her in her own bed. Maybe silly but I felt like I accomplished something. Haha it was Reverend Paul McCartney that said "what's wrong with silly love songs?

To be honest never heard of a girl accepting 1000 for an entire week.

Jalimon your are a proud young foal today. And tomorrow you will be a strong bull. So you must be wise listen more and keep your ears wide open.

$1400 for 4 hours is about the going rate for reputable escorts these days, and most will expect a paid dinner or lunch on top of that for 4 hrs.

Well that is partly true and I shared your opinion back in the day when I was a young frier. Now that I am an old rooster with a beard I have come to learn that prices are your mileage may vary.

For example as one girl told me there's one guy who comes over to Montreal and pays 1000 per day for 3 days. So he gets Friday Saturday and Sunday. But then there's another customer that gets the whole month in his house for 3150. So go figure.

Now for advice:

- make it easy for her to do her job. A little industry secret. There guys who think just because they pay for an hour they can have 60 minute penetration. These guys get Black listed. Girls don't like their genitals to get strained for so long time.

- instead of in calls do out calls where you may be able to spend more time with the girl.

- when she's ready to give it to you ask for her number.

- try to see the same girl. Although I know some of you prefer to see 50 different girls instead of just one.

- Learn to make her cream her pants or orgasm without hurting her private parts.

- just have fun.

- try to learn about the economy. Like how many hours everyone works? How much everyone makes? That way you can put things into perspective. How much materials and logistic costs. What is the profit for different businesses?

- Be a gentleman.

- be trustworthy and honest.

-be generous but make sure you get your money's worth and that the girl was also generous with you.

-learn to negotiate. Never negotiate means don't try to haggle and rip her off. But if you have her best interest at heart and you propose something beneficial to her then you can negotiate. Also put her in a position where she wants to make her own suggestions and her own negotiations.

- Some of the girls met my friends and even met some relatives. So if you don't like the social thing maybe this is not your ride.

Is sex better with friends? Okay gym locker talk.

Well I've noticed after a few months it gets a lot easier to hit that cervix. One time I even hit twice in one thrust. Also at 1st she licked my balls for minute. But after month a minute turned into 30 minutes. And now for all the ladies reading I also did my service and used a dental dam spent a lot of time eating her ass. You really have to earn that cream. Haha good times. Now that I ate her ass proves I am an honest man so please don't criticize my character. Also please don't tell anyone I eat ass. This information is confidential and only for the members of the church.

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[NapataJohn]

I think a lot of you are dreaming or chest thumping.

Escorts are in it for the money not to be your friend with benefits.

A person who visits Montreal occasionally and thinks he can just invite a lady to lunch or dinner "nothing expensive" and off the clock is laughable.

This may happen after a period of time with an ATF that has learned to trust you and wants to keep the relationship.

Most escorts that are exceptional and worth seeing have high expectations and will not see you in a 1-3 star hotel or go have dinner with you in a cheap restaurant.

They expect to be treated with class and will not settle for what you describe.

This is not your home country this is Montreal, we have super nice escorts, which are still a bargain compared to the US but they don't come cheap and expect to be treated well. Most of these ladies have an established clientele and don't need to see just anybody..

And can I ask you how many you have seen in the USA? There are plenty of girls on SA in the USA who are very nice and down to earth and can hold their own with any of these ladies you describe.

[Hacsek]

That's $350/ HR or $280/ HR USD. At the top end of Indy rates in MTL. Care to say who it was? I did a 4 hour date like that with Heaven but just paid Euphoria's rate, so it was a bit under grand. But still that is a quarter of what I would pay in the states. The only Indy I might consider doing that with is Katrina Vianna. Definitely in on my list when I get back..

Actually Indy rates have risen substantially since the pandemic and $350 is very average, check Indy Companions and you will find that they range from $350-$500 with $400 being about average.

Reputable agencies range from $220-$260 with $240 being the average.

Katrina Vianna is a fabulous young lady you made a great choice I would highly recommend her.

Gorgeous and just an absolute pleasure to spend time with.

Heaven briefly made a comeback and is a very well reviewed lady, but if anybody thinks they will get someone like Heaven to go have dinner with them off the clock and to a cheap restaurant they are dreaming. She might do it on a whim when she happens to be in a really good mood but I wouldn't count on it.

First of all Heaven lives or at least lived with her girlfriend Ruby Red another gorgeous and well reviewed young lady so you can guess how much she would be into being a friend with benefits.

I know you were not the one who was saying this but another poster.

[Hacsek]

In my home country I have lunch and dinner only with relatives, family and friends. However, I like company when I'm having a meal so when I am in a country where I have none of the above I sometimes invite a lady who I am banging or intend to bang to dine with me. Nothing expensive of course. We are all different in our likes and dislikes.

I think a lot of you are dreaming or chest thumping.

Escorts are in it for the money not to be your friend with benefits.

A person who visits Montreal occasionally and thinks he can just invite a lady to lunch or dinner "nothing expensive" and off the clock is laughable.

This may happen after a period of time with an ATF that has learned to trust you and wants to keep the relationship.

Most escorts that are exceptional and worth seeing have high expectations and will not see you in a 1-3 star hotel or go have dinner with you in a cheap restaurant.

They expect to be treated with class and will not settle for what you describe.

This is not your home country this is Montreal, we have super nice escorts, which are still a bargain compared to the US but they don't come cheap and expect to be treated well. Most of these ladies have an established clientele and don't need to see just anybody.

You want the best then you get what you pay for.

[Hacsek]

That's what I trying to say. Some escorts are also friends with their clients. It's kind of like a sugar baby escort. The client and the escort have sex, friendship, and business relationship.

Like one girl in my apartment in Montreal stayed all night drinking and then went home the next day because she didn't want to drive her car with beer. She only took the money for one hour. There was no sex. We had been good friends for months before this happened.

I know some of you see prices on the website and you think they are written in stone and you lose your flexibility to consider other ideas.

But just think about it if you go out for four hours with a sugar baby do you really think you're going to pay her 1500 cad? Man that must be one lousy date. If she takes so much from you just for four hours.

When you become friends with the escort you will uncover completely different pricing. She will give you these rates herself. Each escort usually has two or three clients that are also her friends.

A lot of men don't even have friends. And can't hold an hour-long conversation with an escort.

Sex is actually more fun when the woman is your friend.

All of what you say is true.

None of that however happens on a first visit to a new country / city.

Pretty lady was fiction and a movie LOL.

It takes a long process and chemistry plus a lot of trust on both sides to have a relationship like that and a willingness on both sides.

Situations like that are rare and like you say maybe each SP might have a couple of favoured clients that they may extend this to, but generally they are in it to make money not to be your friend with benefits.

[HarvestBoi]

That's $350/ HR or $280/ HR USD. At the top end of Indy rates in MTL. Care to say who it was? I did a 4 hour date like that with Heaven but just paid Euphoria's rate, so it was a bit under grand. But still that is a quarter of what I would pay in the states. The only Indy I might consider doing that with is Katrina Vianna. Definitely in on my list when I get back.

Hey Montreal I saw a former escort with a website advertise 1400 for 4 hours. I'd like to say that in Montreal from personal experience you can get from an escort that is your friend for 1000 an entire week together. Spending time together and having fun, not sex marathon. Duh!

Someone paying 1400 for 4 hours probably doesn't understand European and north American economies.

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[Turgid]

Most escorts are not your friend LOL, it is a business and work for them and they expect to get paid for it.

$1400 for 4 hours is about the going rate for reputable escorts these days, and most will expect a paid dinner or lunch on top of that for 4 hrs.

Personally I don't do payed for dinners or lunches simply because I don't believe in paying someone to be my friend, if a woman sits across the dinner table from me then it will be because she wants to be there.

Sex, yes I am realistic, when you want a gorgeous woman half your age the easiest and surest way is to hire an escort.

Dinner, sorry I have a enough friends and relatives that I can enjoy a night out with I don't find anything that exiting about paying an escort to eat food and having a conversation which is not real with someone who's real name I don't even know. It is not about the money it just doesn't make sense to me.

In my home country I have lunch and dinner only with relatives, family and friends. However, I like company when I'm having a meal so when I am in a country where I have none of the above I sometimes invite a lady who I am banging or intend to bang to dine with me. Nothing expensive of course. We are all different in our likes and dislikes.

[Android2987]

Most escorts are not your friend LOL, it is a business and work for them and they expect to get paid for it.

That's what I trying to say. Some escorts are also friends with their clients. It's kind of like a sugar baby escort. The client and the escort have sex, friendship, and business relationship.

Like one girl in my apartment in Montreal stayed all night drinking and then went home the next day because she didn't want to drive her car with beer. She only took the money for one hour. There was no sex. We had been good friends for months before this happened.

I know some of you see prices on the website and you think they are written in stone and you lose your flexibility to consider other ideas.

But just think about it if you go out for four hours with a sugar baby do you really think you're going to pay her 1500 cad? Man that must be one lousy date. If she takes so much from you just for four hours.

When you become friends with the escort you will uncover completely different pricing. She will give you these rates herself. Each escort usually has two or three clients that are also her friends.

A lot of men don't even have friends. And can't hold an hour-long conversation with an escort.

Sex is actually more fun when the woman is your friend.

[Android2987]

This is how it works:

There is a specific type of customer that keeps going back to the same girl. So basically The girl and customer have a mutually exclusive relationship. So at 1st they have a business relationship. In the beginning most girls don't even want to talk (more than is considered normal) to the customer. Then after a lot of appointments there's more talk. After talking a lot of hours they also begin to spend more time together. And slowly they also create a friendship business relationship which is like a real friendship with gifts involved. It's more than just sex.

Usually this type of customer is the one that will give the girl the most money per month. So Once you start giving the girl lumps of money the money inevitably is worth more.

So if it's the right type of customer and right Type of girl. The girl will mention that she does sleepovers weekends entire weeks and also live in for a month. But she will not make these offers on the 1st date. It's only after the business friendship relationship has evolved.

Also the customer makes it easy for the girl to earn rewards. A lot of escorts are sore in the kitten from so much sex so obviously they don't want penetration sex to go on forever. So yeah sex friendship trust money spending time together and doing fun things like eating Getting high etc.

Also I've been told these customers are very rare and each girl may have less than 5.

Since these customers Pay the most and they are trustworthy they actually get more for their money's worth. And these customers always go back to the same girl. They will never know more than 2 or 3 escorts.

Also the customer needs to be considerate and good at building friendship. A lot of people today can't even get along with their sister or their coworkers. And relationship and communication skills are not taught nor are manners.

1 of these customers can get an evening for 400 or 500 Or 350 and that usually includes 2 or 3 hours. But also consider they do this 2 or 3 times a month. So the money goes further. And most of the time is not spent having sex.

Personally I recommend you not pay excessive rates for multiple hours another way to save money is just to book her out call for one hour. The hour before she Arrives to your house house start masturbating to some good porn then the next hour you spend it with her instead of with the porn. So you get one hour with porn and one hour with the girl and you only pay one out call hour.

See no need to break your bank account. LOL.

[Jalimon2]

Hey Montreal I saw a former escort with a website advertise 1400 for 4 hours. I'd like to say that in Montreal from personal experience you can get from an escort that is your friend for 1000 an entire week together. Spending time together and having fun, not sex marathon. Duh!

Someone paying 1400 for 4 hours probably doesn't understand European and north American economies.

Some guys are into that. Often it's because they have money coming out of their ears. I know some that book a girl the entire day simply to make sure to see them.

To be honest never heard of a girl accepting 1000 for an entire week.

[Hacsek]

Hey Montreal I saw a former escort with a website advertise 1400 for 4 hours. I'd like to say that in Montreal from personal experience you can get from an escort that is your friend for 1000 an entire week together. Spending time together and having fun, not sex marathon. Duh!

Someone paying 1400 for 4 hours probably doesn't understand European and north American economies.

Most escorts are not your friend LOL, it is a business and work for them and they expect to get paid for it.

$1400 for 4 hours is about the going rate for reputable escorts these days, and most will expect a paid dinner or lunch on top of that for 4 hrs.

Personally I don't do payed for dinners or lunches simply because I don't believe in paying someone to be my friend, if a woman sits across the dinner table from me then it will be because she wants to be there.

Sex, yes I am realistic, when you want a gorgeous woman half your age the easiest and surest way is to hire an escort.

Dinner, sorry I have a enough friends and relatives that I can enjoy a night out with I don't find anything that exiting about paying an escort to eat food and having a conversation which is not real with someone who's real name I don't even know. It is not about the money it just doesn't make sense to me.

[Android2987]

Hey Montreal I saw a former escort with a website advertise 1400 for 4 hours. I'd like to say that in Montreal from personal experience you can get from an escort that is your friend for 1000 an entire week together. Spending time together and having fun, not sex marathon. Duh!

Someone paying 1400 for 4 hours probably doesn't understand European and north American economies.

[WyattEarp]

I put an envelope with the money in it in plain sight at the beginning.

That is the standard for escorts in North America.

Yes, we are all usually dealing with known escorts and agencies who have established reputations for service.

Picking up a girl at a bar or club in a third world country is a totally different proposition.