Smooci Advertiser Thread

[Franciscass]

Pics are difficult to verify. Professional lighting, readily available appearance altering apps together with good hairstyling make up and clothes can make anybody appear a lot more attractive than they are. Just check out Instagram for girls you know. So it's difficult for Smooci to control this aspect of the profile. Not so age but enough on that.

An interactive feature would be worthwhile and technically possible but both expensive for Smooci and most likely not something most girls would agree to.

With respect the idea of having a feature to allow bidding for services is on many levels a non starter and in my opinion would lower the tone and sense of professionalism the app currently enjoys.

I would however suggest Smooci could expand escort"s personal details. I notice weight is omitted and I would add shaved or not and whether she has tattoos or breast enhancement both personal turn offs for me.

[Breadman]

Because the truth is, these girls DON'T want to negotiate. Very few of these girls give two shits about what WE want. They HATE this business. Even the one's who want to do it right, really don't want to negotiate or have to deviate much from the standard sexual offering.

You get better pictures on smooci, an actual menu, reviews, a set rate, and generally, I would think, a higher standard of professionalism..

There is always negotiations if they haven't made any money and are almost broke. I think a girl in this situation would jump at the chance to negotiate. As to photo's, way too many photos on smooci and on the escort websites in my opinion. Thai friendly and even smooci Manila has better 'real photos'.

[SexInStl]

If I were to offer suggestions to smooci, they would be:

1) A fee offer button? I could see that.

Maybe even something like eBay, where the girls or agency can set it up to automatically refuse offers below a certain amount. I'm one of those people, I prefer to just buy what it is at the price it is, but I can see how some people might like the idea, and, with no hassle, the girls can say yes or no.

2) (And I'm sure they already TRY and do this) Try to set a higher standard on pictures, even giving the ladies examples of what works best. Maybe even set up a picture day, where you bring in a photographer and they can come in and get their pictures done for free.

3) And video. Geez, it's 2018 and cell phone technology is such that you can shoot in 4 K, you'd think these girls would take advantage of that. Make a nice video, "Hi, my name is Banana, I want to come and see you!" Flash a little boobie, or wiggle their butt. It's not rocket science.

4) (And I'm not sure if they have this already or not) Yes, maybe find a way to communicate to the customer. Get a girl with a good grasp of English to actually be available to talk to the customer if they have questions or requests. Someone who's not actually performing services, but has an understanding of it, as well as an empathy for the customer. (Though I do understand the, uh, liabilities of this as well.).

Just some thoughts.

[SexInStl]

As I stated in my earlier posts, neither do I. Yet. And for the very same reasons you cited.

But the inability of the prospective customer to engage in some kind of personal and private exchange with the girl re specific requests and live photo/video sharing before committing to a booking (for the benefit of both sides) will provide the ongoing competitive edge to dating sites over any escort service related business model. So it'll have to be faced and dealt with at least as a point of discussion for any such business claiming to be a work in progress and receptive to the idea of overcoming prospective customer objections rather than pretending they aren't there.

I'm not saying it's wrong to give a business input on what they can do to improve their services.

I'm not saying it's wrong to have special requests in how you want your girl.

But Thai Friendly and Smooci are two different types of business set-ups.

Thai Friendly makes ALL of their income off of people who sign up for Premium membership. The girls are free to come and go as they please.

I'm assuming Smooci has some sort of fee, or stipend per call for the girls (either from them or the agency they work for), as the primary income. That means the girls they have available are a premium to them, and they can't afford to lose business to guys / girls who set up appointments outside the system. That would defeat the whole purpose.

Now you CAN, be a premium member, but I would think there are plenty of people who use the system who aren't. You can still find quality girls without it. The majority of people who use a service like smooci, do so for convenience, structured familiarity, and generalized sexual services. You can use the service where you only pay if you find someone you want. It's set up for a mainstream user.

The majority of people who use Thai Friendly are a little more seasoned type of monger. You pay your money for the time, REGARDLESS if you score or not. It's just a free for all. And even then you're still not sure you get what you think you will, and there are no reviews to go by.

An important aspect of services like smooci is to protect the girls. Make it an easy environment to profit from, while still giving the customer as much information as possible.

Because the truth is, these girls DON'T want to negotiate. Very few of these girls give two shits about what WE want. They HATE this business. Even the one's who want to do it right, really don't want to negotiate or have to deviate much from the standard sexual offering.

Smooci gives the one's who want to do it right an opportunity to work it hassle-free, and the REVIEW process is in place to try and keep them up to an acceptable standard.

Opening up a dialogue with customers would mean opening the girls up to the same situation they get when they work on Thai Friendly. "Can you do this?" "Can you do that?" "Can you do it for this much?" "Can my two friends join in for free?

I think we're forgetting how much bullshit these girls have to go through sometimes in dealing with people.

Why wouldn't they just go to Thai Friendly and go through that for FREE?

Can a smooci girl fuck up and not provide BBBJ when she's at your place even though it says it on her profile? YES, and you can review her for it as punishment.

Can a Thai Friendly girl fuck up and not provide BBBJ when she's at your place even though she promised that in conversation beforehand? YES, and then she's free to continue to do that to the others on Thai Friendly.

You get better pictures on smooci, an actual menu, reviews, a set rate, and generally, I would think, a higher standard of professionalism.

[Tiandihui]

Are you considering adding Chiang Mai to the list of locations?

I think there is large gap and opportunity for this type of service there.

Actually I agreed with you too.

Have demands but lack of supply. I should say not much proper good repute establishment to offer the services from the girls.

In fact from what I know and experienced in Chiangmai before, never lack of supply of girls willing to provide the services. But they need some proper agents or site for them to list on.

[Adaptivia]

Umm. No, suprisingly enough we were refering to the "verified, unedited comments".

Are you considering adding Chiang Mai to the list of locations?

I think there is large gap and opportunity for this type of service there.

[EihTooms]

The basic problem with that is that once they make contact with you, why would they need to go through the service?

It happens enough as it is, but at least the way it's set up now, the ones who want to cheat the service are still paying the fee for having at least one date.

An unscrupulous hooker could just wait to be contacted through the site every night, talk to the John and then just meet up outside the service, eliminating a need to pay the fee and essentially getting free advertising.

What works for ThaiFriendly doesn't necessarily work for Smooci and vice versa.

I see your point, I just don't think it would be conducive to the way their site is set up.

As I stated in my earlier posts, neither do I. Yet. And for the very same reasons you cited.

But the inability of the prospective customer to engage in some kind of personal and private exchange with the girl re specific requests and live photo/video sharing before committing to a booking (for the benefit of both sides) will provide the ongoing competitive edge to dating sites over any escort service related business model. So it'll have to be faced and dealt with at least as a point of discussion for any such business claiming to be a work in progress and receptive to the idea of overcoming prospective customer objections rather than pretending they aren't there.

[SexInStl]

SmoociApp is the poster who first compared its methods and service favorably to "dating sites" in this particular discussion. By contrast, I am one who questioned it. That being the case, I thought it useful to point out the rather huge advantage for "dating sites" in that the potential customer and the P4P girl can have a brief and private exchange in order for both to better verify whatever is important to them and to better assess the decision to book a meeting.

Personally, I have never "haggled" with a P4P girl on a dating site before setting up an appointment with her. Never needed to and if it ever felt like I was "haggling", I'd close the conversation and move on to the next girl.

Instead, it turns out that many of us, me included I suppose, will have a greater chance of getting positive response to the 1-2 critical details that I need to know before I would even consider booking a P4P girl I have never met in the flesh when I can exchange simple chat pleasantries with her first, more improved chance if I send the girl current photos of me, and even greater chance of positive response when I can engage in no more than one minute of video chatting with her just to say "hi" (and, of course, all of those means of pre-booking personal contact are trumped if I meet them in person first. But that isn't the way an online service like Smooci or a dating site works, right?).

I am not saying I am so good-looking that a girl is unlikely to refuse the 1-2 details that matter to me once she has seen my photos, video chatted with me or met me in person. Rather, I just think most punters would get a more positive response to the 1-2 things they really want in the deal before booking when they can make a personal connection with the girl first. Makes sense, right? Yes, one can book a girl for 3,750+ baht first and then find out when she arrives if this will be one of those times or not. But, again, not much reason to make that bet when there are dating sites that provide a means to fill in the missing piece of prior personal contact and greatly reduce the risk of a bad session where Smooci's business model cannot. Or has not.

The basic problem with that is that once they make contact with you, why would they need to go through the service?

It happens enough as it is, but at least the way it's set up now, the ones who want to cheat the service are still paying the fee for having at least one date.

An unscrupulous hooker could just wait to be contacted through the site every night, talk to the John and then just meet up outside the service, eliminating a need to pay the fee and essentially getting free advertising.

What works for ThaiFriendly doesn't necessarily work for Smooci and vice versa.

I see your point, I just don't think it would be conducive to the way their site is set up.

[Franciscass]

Escorts sites and dating sites are different platforms that serve different needs. Smooci is a user friendly almost instant result escort booking site with lots of choice. Prices and services are clearly shown. Its obviously successful and a great addition to the P4P scene. That said it's not perfect, the main issue being dated pics and misleading age profiles.

Smooci say this is the exception rather than the rule. Umm not my experience from I admit just two bookings.

They say girls who mislead are eventually "punished ' for their misdeeds by losing clients or being banned if sufficient complaints are made. I suppose this depends on how much of their business is repeat, how much is transient and how many clients will complain.

I suggest once again Smooci must try and verify age, its not difficult. They say most of the profiles are accurate if so why should the girls be reluctant to have their age verified. Could it be that most clip a few years off?

I don't use dating sites but from reading posts they seem to require significant time and effort in finding a suitable hookup. Being able to have face time and chit chat before meeting up is an obvious plus along the possibility of a genuine GFE by being with somebody who is not a professional.

Both have their distinctive advantages. I suppose if one has the time and know how to navigate, dating sites are preferable to escort sites, at least you know what to expect when you open the door and have confirmed what services will follow.

[EihTooms]

Smooci provides a specific service, and what works on ThaiFriendly, isn't necessarily conducive to the way Smooci does business and vice versa. Next thing you know we'll be asking for a special button we can press to let the hooker know to clean the bathroom before she leaves our hotel!

SmoociApp is the poster who first compared its methods and service favorably to "dating sites" in this particular discussion. By contrast, I am one who questioned it. That being the case, I thought it useful to point out the rather huge advantage for "dating sites" in that the potential customer and the P4P girl can have a brief and private exchange in order for both to better verify whatever is important to them and to better assess the decision to book a meeting.

Personally, I have never "haggled" with a P4P girl on a dating site before setting up an appointment with her. Never needed to and if it ever felt like I was "haggling", I'd close the conversation and move on to the next girl.

Instead, it turns out that many of us, me included I suppose, will have a greater chance of getting positive response to the 1-2 critical details that I need to know before I would even consider booking a P4P girl I have never met in the flesh when I can exchange simple chat pleasantries with her first, more improved chance if I send the girl current photos of me, and even greater chance of positive response when I can engage in no more than one minute of video chatting with her just to say "hi" (and, of course, all of those means of pre-booking personal contact are trumped if I meet them in person first. But that isn't the way an online service like Smooci or a dating site works, right?).

I am not saying I am so good-looking that a girl is unlikely to refuse the 1-2 details that matter to me once she has seen my photos, video chatted with me or met me in person. Rather, I just think most punters would get a more positive response to the 1-2 things they really want in the deal before booking when they can make a personal connection with the girl first. Makes sense, right? Yes, one can book a girl for 3,750+ baht first and then find out when she arrives if this will be one of those times or not. But, again, not much reason to make that bet when there are dating sites that provide a means to fill in the missing piece of prior personal contact and greatly reduce the risk of a bad session where Smooci's business model cannot. Or has not.

[EihTooms]

Umm. No, suprisingly enough we were refering to the "verified, unedited comments".

Ok. But then "unedited comments" by whom if not by the customers who booked the girl already? You mean the "unedited comments" by the girl in her profile regarding her own age, weight and so on? I thought those were simply claimed data points. Guess I never thought of them as "unedited comments". Otherwise, I don't recall ever reading "unedited comments" by the girls in their Smooci profiles unless that is something only premium members can read.

[SexInStl]

I doubt Smooci's basic clientele is experienced mongers who want to bargain for price, and interview the girls for ultra specific sexual needs beforehand.

AND, not all guys out there looking for 'companionship' have a need to barter for price and have ultra specific sexual needs. In fact, that's most people. Most people DON'T want to haggle for price or deal with that. And most people are satisfied with basic sexual services.

AND, I'm sure there are a large amount of sex workers who are happy to put their profile on there and get no hassle johns to supplement their freelancer income. It's got to suck, day after day to go through that negotiation.

No offense intended to anyone who likes to haggle and needs a girl standing on her head with her hands tied behind her back in order to be able to perform CIM, but let's face it, not everyone is going to be empathetic to your specific needs. Honestly, no disrespect intended toward anyone, but no service is going to be all things to all people.

And realistically, a girl who offers BBFS on her profile anywhere is probably going to get a lot less business than the one who offers it 'one-on-one'. Most guys like to think when they do something risky like that, it's because they're special and don't think that it's maybe something she's offering to every guy in town.

Smooci provides a specific service, and what works on ThaiFriendly, isn't necessarily conducive to the way Smooci does business and vice versa. Next thing you know we'll be asking for a special button we can press to let the hooker know to clean the bathroom before she leaves our hotel!

[SmoociApp]

Oh, I thought your "verified, unedited comments" reference was about the opinions expressed and feedback posted (essay type reviews and the star ratings) by men who have previously booked the girls through Smooci "so girls who do lie about their info are usually exposed very quickly."

Umm. No, suprisingly enough we were refering to the "verified, unedited comments".

[Breadman]

These comments are related to age / info verification. So yes, datings sites are a great point of reference as they also face the same issues of info verification and photo accuracy. To compare all aspects of Smooci with those of a dating site is taking those comments out of context.

The simple point being made is that escort directories and dating site (good ones at least) are eager to provide a platform that can give as much useful information and informed choice to the users as possible. Thaifriendly is a great example as the comments shown on the girls profiles are in no way verified. Hence the comment 'unlike other directories and dating sites we do deliver verified, unedited comments'.

That is the only comparison and reference point I was trying to make.

Are you in any way concerned about the cracking down of sites that promote prostitution? On one hand you've got sites like Thai friendly where the girls can private message people and tell them that they are in fact 'working'. Its hidden behind a dating website. Then we have your website that actively promotes booking the girls for said service. Its pretty much every other week I read about Thailand cracking down on someone and or some website. And everything is international these days, being in another country doesn't give you a free pass. Wouldn't it be safer in the long run to do away with prices and bookings and just charge a fee for using your website? Keep the age verification for legal adults to use your website but distance yourself from the business itself.

[EihTooms]

These comments are related to age / info verification. So yes, datings sites are a great point of reference as they also face the same issues of info verification and photo accuracy. To compare all aspects of Smooci with those of a dating site is taking those comments out of context.

The simple point being made is that escort directories and dating site (good ones at least) are eager to provide a platform that can give as much useful information and informed choice to the users as possible. Thaifriendly is a great example as the comments shown on the girls profiles are in no way verified. Hence the comment 'unlike other directories and dating sites we do deliver verified, unedited comments'.

That is the only comparison and reference point I was trying to make.

Oh, I thought your "verified, unedited comments" reference was about the opinions expressed and feedback posted (essay type reviews and the star ratings) by men who have previously booked the girls through Smooci "so girls who do lie about their info are usually exposed very quickly."

I didn't think you were talking about the very brief personal info data listed on profiles as seen on ThaiFriendly. Is that what you were referring to?

That's why I wrote that comments and verification (of photos, age, claimed services, whatever) by someone else is irrelevant and unnecessary on a dating site like that since all you need to do to bust a girl for lying about her age or looks before arranging a meeting is to fire up a quick video chat with her. And to better ensure that she is up for your particular P4P requirements, you can ask her directly and make it known your payment to her is contingent upon her actually providing them.

I arrange P4P meetings with girls on ThaiFriendly fairly often and it never occurred to me to only rely on what TF has or has not verified in that brief personal data list before I agreed to a time, place, services, price, etc.