Smooci Advertiser Thread

[Member #4591]

I don't see anyone complaining about the questions and issues being brought up here, Bkkdog. Although it does appear you are complaining about potential Smooci customers asking those questions.

I would assume SmoociApp approves of and actually WANTS potential Smooci customers who are not yet already users of their service to ask questions and bring up issues that might be keeping them from becoming so. In fact, I would say that is a major reason this thread with Smooci's name on it even exists; to entice and add new Smooci customers.

You say that "Smooci offers a star rating system that is at least 80% accurate." Where did you come up with that figure? How would you know? And, BTW, "accurate" about what?

The fact that there isn't a more clearly defined and proposed standard on which customers are encouraged to base their rating (when there easily really could be) happens to be one of the main reasons no one can possibly know whether their Star Rating system is "80% accurate", "20% accurate" or even "1% accurate" for the things that matter to a given potential customer. And I would imagine that is a primary reason some potential customers here and elsewhere are reluctant to make a booking through Smooci when they are already steeped in plenty of hot, young P4P experiences via other options for less money than similar girls on Smooci are asking for and after already taking a first hand gander at the girl who is offering it, not just at questionable photos, and quite possibly with a negotiated assurance that if she doesn't deliver as agreed upon then even less money will be paid to her if not zero money.

Trying to speculate, review, suggest on a company, product, or service you have never used is frankly rediculous. Whenever I book a lady on smooci, I use their rating system, and it has never failed me. So for me, it has worked 100% percent of the time. I've booked enough ladies so I chose 80%. Other members who post about there experiences here seem to be in the same boat as me. For example, I booked Emma, who has been on Smooci for quite a while. She had a 3 star rating at the time. I booked her for her value and looks, 3000 Baht for 2 hours. Well, I must say, that 3 star rating was as accurate as I expected it to be. I booked Milk who is 18. She is always above 4 stars. Low and behold, her rating was also also a good indication of the service I received from her. Another member posted a review about Milk here on ISG and wait, low and behold, he was happy as well.

You are completely missing the point here. In Bangkok, we have many choices for P4P. Beer bars, Go go bars, clubs and discos, massage, cart bars, Dek sideline websites, Craig's list, street walkers, Chat and dating apps, and escort agencies. I for one have tried all of these options and can review and talk about the advantages and disadvantages. Until smooci, I vowed I would never ever ever use an escort service here in Thailand. Many members would post about the many negatives and wonder why ISGers would ever consider using them because of the formentioned other options. The problems were as follows:

1. Bait and switch.

2. Really bad photos.

3. Rude staff.

4. Unreliable bookings.

5. Too expensive.

6. Rude girls.

7. Bad service from the ladies.

8. Fake reviews and comments about the girls on their websites.

Smooci has made their best efforts to combat these issues and has done a pretty good job of that so far. Good enough to carve out a nice little niesh for themselves.

Now I can at least have the option of using 100% of the P4 P options in Bangkok. Escort agencies, out calls, or take out have the following Advantages:

1. Convenience.

2. Good for short BKK layovers.

3. Convenience.

4. More options sometimes I have seen 70 ladies available on smooci.

5. Convenience convenience convenience.

So, Eitooms, sit back in your condo one night after a hard days work. You don't feel like going out but your horny as hell. Open your smart phone, tablet, or computer, navigate to smooci, shop for your girl, and choose her. Then go take a shower, and lay on your bed. 20 minutes later, a knock on your door will come. Your lady will enter and she will be in your bed within 10 minutes. 2 hours later, kick her out, smoke your cigar and fall asleep. Oh and before you talk about BBFS not being an option, let me just tell you that I have had no more different of an experience dealing with this request with a smooci girl than I have had with this same request from one of the many other formentiomed mongerimg choices here in BKK. If the girl is willing to do it or not is up to the girl and not her employer or method of how she finds clients. It all comes down to service and return as in what the girl will get in return for her service.

[Shiba7]

At EihTooms I think you just want a perfect world. Smooci is never going to be perfect, and the concerns you are bringing up are of no concern to people who have actually used Smooci. Since we don't live in a perfect world, I sadly never see you ever trying Smooci unless you get over whatever strong opinions you have about the site.

[EihTooms]

I'm going to chime in here. Let's compare Smooci to dealing directly with the agency. Or even compare smooci to an agency that does not list their ladies on smooci. Smooci offers a star rating system that is at least 80% accurate. They give us the option to book ladies from multiple agencies at a lower rate than if booking them through their home agency on one portal. They offer a paid service which allows us to combine your booking with a review system that at least can be somewhat reliable compared to the fake comments the actual agencies post on their sites, more affordable one hour bookings, and verified photos. This enhances the user experience immensely. We are asking why smooci doesn't do this and I wish they did that. Well they are doing a heck of a lot more than the others. You guys overthink everything and the worst part about it is that the biggest overthinkers have never booked through smooci.

What I would like to know is what the heck you guys are complaining about? We finally have a reliable agency we can depend on for 24 hour bookings right to our condo or hotel. It's not going to get any better than this so let's just enjoy this while it lasts. I'd take this over Craig's list any day. In fact I see many CL ladies on smooci as well. Before smooci, I would never book through any of these agencies and now I have an option that I can trust. I use them 2-3 times per month with no complaints.

Guys, we have a solid and reliable extra option for our mongerimg pleasure. I recommend you try them if you haven't already.

I don't see anyone complaining about the questions and issues being brought up here, Bkkdog. Although it does appear you are complaining about potential Smooci customers asking those questions.

I would assume SmoociApp approves of and actually WANTS potential Smooci customers who are not yet already users of their service to ask questions and bring up issues that might be keeping them from becoming so. In fact, I would say that is a major reason this thread with Smooci's name on it even exists; to entice and add new Smooci customers.

You say that "Smooci offers a star rating system that is at least 80% accurate." Where did you come up with that figure? How would you know? And, BTW, "accurate" about what?

The fact that there isn't a more clearly defined and proposed standard on which customers are encouraged to base their rating (when there easily really could be) happens to be one of the main reasons no one can possibly know whether their Star Rating system is "80% accurate", "20% accurate" or even "1% accurate" for the things that matter to a given potential customer. And I would imagine that is a primary reason some potential customers here and elsewhere are reluctant to make a booking through Smooci when they are already steeped in plenty of hot, young P4P experiences via other options for less money than similar girls on Smooci are asking for and after already taking a first hand gander at the girl who is offering it, not just at questionable photos, and quite possibly with a negotiated assurance that if she doesn't deliver as agreed upon then even less money will be paid to her if not zero money.

[EihTooms]

With all due respect, I think this post Is foolish. I have first hand knowledge that the girls fork over 500 Baht for a booking of 3-4 K to the agency and or smooci. These girls will absolutely not ask 2 or 3 friends to make fake bookings as they would still be responsible for paying the fee. 3 fake bookings to achieve 3 good ratings would cost at least 1,500 Baht. I don't see any Thai lady doing that. Sorry to say. More overthinking again. May I ask if you have ever booked through smooci before? My first thought is no.

You're a bit behind the curve on this one, Bkkdog. Please see SmoociApp's Post/reply to my post on the very scenario you thought foolish, #657 below:

In the last 2 weeks we banned a companion who created fake bookings to boost her ratings and another companion who had created a second account.

And as long as we're doing the math, just one additional booking due to sporting a 5.0 Star Rating instead of a 3.5 Star Rating rewards the girl likely over 3,000 baht even after forking over 500 baht of her fee to her agency or Smooci. Pretty much wipes out and makes up for that earlier 1,500 baht expense I'd say. Not foolish at all either. Unless she gets caught and thrown off Smooci like the one SmoociApp reported above.

[Member #4591]

No, I think you are using too little imagination and were apparently in such a hurry to get to one of your one-upmanship replies you didn't really take into account how I framed my assertion. I am not talking about a girl who has banked dozens of ratings from customers where removal of top or bottom scores wouldn't matter all that much. I said it would be fairly easy for a NEW girl to rig the system in order to START her scoring out as high as, yep, 5.0 from the get-go. Then she could ride on an increase in bookings due to that high score for a while with very little decline in it over the next several customers even if she gave lousy service and got 1-2 Star ratings from a couple of them.

Haven't you noticed a few girls on Smooci whose first posted Star Rating is 5.0? There is one on there right about now. Well, earlier today. That can only happen if every single one of the first customers who rated her, at least three, ALL gave her the top rating of 5 Stars, right? Do you think such opening Star Ratings for girls NEW on Smooci is plausible very often? Even getting an opening 4.8 Star Rating would be remarkable, imo.

But it wouldn't be difficult to pull that off at all if just three of her friends with a credit card "booked" her during her first days or couple of weeks with Smooci and every one of them gave her a 5 Star Rating whether or not she even showed up for the booking and delivered sex at all. Hell, it could even be three of her already smitten and slavishly devoted low-demand customers from before her association with Smooci who would agree to book her through Smooci now, get the same low-demand middling service she usually delivers to them but they don't have to pay her stated 3,750 baht rate at all. No, the deal is they might only pay her the 1,500 baht they usually pay her in exchange for giving her that 5.0 Star Rating.

But once an opening Star Rating of 5.0, 4.9 or 4.8 is established at the beginning, then we are in your world where one or two high or low ratings here and there won't make a big difference unless the trend in either direction continues for quite a while. Meanwhile, she can ride through many early bookings after her opening Smooci rating on the impression that she really is likely to deliver 5.0 or 4.9 Star Ratings level service whether she does or not. Not saying any girl on Smooci HAS done that. Just pointing out that it wouldn't be difficult to rig an opening 5.0, 4.9 or 4.8 Star Rating in that way.

With all due respect, I think this post Is foolish. I have first hand knowledge that the girls fork over 500 Baht for a booking of 3-4 K to the agency and or smooci. These girls will absolutely not ask 2 or 3 friends to make fake bookings as they would still be responsible for paying the fee. 3 fake bookings to achieve 3 good ratings would cost at least 1,500 Baht. I don't see any Thai lady doing that. Sorry to say. More overthinking again. May I ask if you have ever booked through smooci before? My first thought is no.

[Member #4591]

I'm going to chime in here. Let's compare Smooci to dealing directly with the agency. Or even compare smooci to an agency that does not list their ladies on smooci. Smooci offers a star rating system that is at least 80% accurate. They give us the option to book ladies from multiple agencies at a lower rate than if booking them through their home agency on one portal. They offer a paid service which allows us to combine your booking with a review system that at least can be somewhat reliable compared to the fake comments the actual agencies post on their sites, more affordable one hour bookings, and verified photos. This enhances the user experience immensely. We are asking why smooci doesn't do this and I wish they did that. Well they are doing a heck of a lot more than the others. You guys overthink everything and the worst part about it is that the biggest overthinkers have never booked through smooci.

What I would like to know is what the heck you guys are complaining about? We finally have a reliable agency we can depend on for 24 hour bookings right to our condo or hotel. It's not going to get any better than this so let's just enjoy this while it lasts. I'd take this over Craig's list any day. In fact I see many CL ladies on smooci as well. Before smooci, I would never book through any of these agencies and now I have an option that I can trust. I use them 2-3 times per month with no complaints.

Guys, we have a solid and reliable extra option for our mongerimg pleasure. I recommend you try them if you haven't already.

[SmoociApp]

On the "extra service" issue, a SPECIAL REQUESTS box appears early in the booking process and I see no stated limitation on what a customer may or may not ask for in that option. Assuming the girl accepts a booking with full knowledge of these SPECIAL extras the customer is requesting of her and that she has not replied negatively regarding those requests before accepting the booking and allowing the customer enough time to cancel on that basis, wouldn't it be reasonable for him to factor that into his rating of her should she accept the booking without objection and show up with no intention of honoring those SPECIAL REQUESTS?

We are referring to cases where the client attempts to blackmail the companion into giving more service (such as long time and more shots) in exchange for a good review and rating, but not cases where this info was requested in advance in the special requests section. Similar to the cases where companions try to convince the client to give a positive rating before they leave. These incidents are few but it does happen and we are trying to help the innocent party where we can.

The special request box is a free text space for clients to add notes, which the companion will see when receiving the booking and deciding whether to accept or reject. However, this isn't fool proof as some things can be lost in translation or misunderstood, so to be safe it's best to always double confirm special requests via the phone once a booking is confirmed or in person on arrival.

[Syzygies]

First of all, I only WISH Smooci promoted and framed their Star Rating system as pertaining specifically to actual performance and completion of the skills at hand and made sure virtually every "judge" was as well informed about what they are actually scoring on as Olympic judges are. But Smooci doesn't do that. And, frankly, until they do that, neither removing extreme outliers or much of anything else will tell a prospective customer what a girl's score really represents. God knows I tried to encourage them to promote and frame it that way and to make sure beyond a reasonable doubt that every "judging" customer has been made aware of it. But Smooci and too many posters here just wouldn't have it. Oh well.

I accept this point. It is problematic if several criteria mix into a single rating.

Looks, accuracy of the pictures, skills, mechanical or GFE, accuracy of the services list, punctuality, etc. Things like Surgeries probably don't come into it but are important to me. We all have different criteria, so I don't see how a single rating can be workable. If I was reviewing in text, I would try to cover as many different aspects as possible, and make as many comments as possible to be factual rather than just opinions, but most punters are too lazy to do that.

[EihTooms]

Look rigging is possible if too few ratings are used. Removal of extreme outliers is not generally causing this problem. Maybe you think of the case where there are 3 fake scores of 5 followed by 1 real score of 1. Yes in this very special case removal of top and bottom scores still leaves only rigged scores due to sample size being too small. Obvious no point to remove outliers if there are not enough scores in total. Most samples that remove 1 or 2 top and bottom scores, need at a reasonable number of ratings (as per Olympic scoring). No system can obtain a perfect fair score.

In this example we would still expect that 1 was likely to be an unfair score, but it would be guesswork.

I doubt that rigging is going to work well for a girl since very soon she will get some realistic scores, that start to build up. She would be better off trying to improve her performance. Fortunately recent scores are weighted higher than the old ones. That is very sensible.

We could all avoid risking girls with too few ratings. I probably would. In the end we all want to the good girls to get higher ratings than the crap girls.

First of all, I only WISH Smooci promoted and framed their Star Rating system as pertaining specifically to actual performance and completion of the skills at hand and made sure virtually every "judge" was as well informed about what they are actually scoring on as Olympic judges are. But Smooci doesn't do that. And, frankly, until they do that, neither removing extreme outliers or much of anything else will tell a prospective customer what a girl's score really represents. God knows I tried to encourage them to promote and frame it that way and to make sure beyond a reasonable doubt that every "judging" customer has been made aware of it. But Smooci and too many posters here just wouldn't have it. Oh well.

That would also keep the trickster girls intent upon manipulating a much higher score for themselves than their performance deserved to a minimum because then they would always have to assume their customer HAS read what the rating standards are and what the ratings ought to represent. That would put a major damper on the natural temptation to plead for a higher score than they deserved on the way out of the room instead of bothering to improve their performance after they first walked into the room.

The girls are the only ones in this transaction with an absolutely clear understanding of what a high Star Rating means; it means they will most certainly get more bookings than if they have a low Star Rating. And the instant they realize the weak spot in this system is that practically none of the customers they meet have a clue what the standards are for scoring or even know that there is a standard on which the scoring should be based (which there really isn't at this point), then what you'll get is an effort by the girls to exploit that weak spot, manipulate the system and the customer to get a higher Star Rating for themselves with "improving their performance" in terms of delivering BBBJ+CIM, Full Service, DFK and so on likely being dead last on their preferred means to accomplish that.

[Syzygies]

But once an opening Star Rating of 5.0, 4.9 or 4.8 is established at the beginning, then we are in your world where one or two high or low ratings here and there won't make a big difference unless the trend in either direction continues for quite a while. Meanwhile, she can ride through many early bookings after her opening Smooci rating on the impression that she really is likely to deliver 5.0 or 4.9 Star Ratings level service whether she does or not. Not saying any girl on Smooci HAS done that. Just pointing out that it wouldn't be difficult to rig an opening 5.0, 4.9 or 4.8 Star Rating in that way.

Look rigging is possible if too few ratings are used. Removal of extreme outliers is not generally causing this problem. Maybe you think of the case where there are 3 fake scores of 5 followed by 1 real score of 1. Yes in this very special case removal of top and bottom scores still leaves only rigged scores due to sample size being too small. Obvious no point to remove outliers if there are not enough scores in total. Most samples that remove 1 or 2 top and bottom scores, need at a reasonable number of ratings (as per Olympic scoring). No system can obtain a perfect fair score.

In this example we would still expect that 1 was likely to be an unfair score, but it would be guesswork.

I doubt that rigging is going to work well for a girl since very soon she will get some realistic scores, that start to build up. She would be better off trying to improve her performance. Fortunately recent scores are weighted higher than the old ones. That is very sensible.

We could all avoid risking girls with too few ratings. I probably would. In the end we all want to the good girls to get higher ratings than the crap girls.

[EihTooms]

Equally, we have had reports where clients have pressured the companion to give extra service in exchange for a good review and rating. We have tried to counter this by adding a report feature. This allows companions to report such incidents directly to us after a booking. Again, it's not a fool proof system and we have to review these incidents manually, but we try to give the benefit of the doubt based on the history of the client and the companion.

On the "extra service" issue, a SPECIAL REQUESTS box appears early in the booking process and I see no stated limitation on what a customer may or may not ask for in that option. Assuming the girl accepts a booking with full knowledge of these SPECIAL extras the customer is requesting of her and that she has not replied negatively regarding those requests before accepting the booking and allowing the customer enough time to cancel on that basis, wouldn't it be reasonable for him to factor that into his rating of her should she accept the booking without objection and show up with no intention of honoring those SPECIAL REQUESTS?

[WarmStone25]

It has been stated many times I think, that you cannot book any girls more than 4 hours ahead. If a girl is not shown as available, you have to book through her normal agency at normal rates.

Very popular girls, may appear available on Smoochi quite irregularly.

If you take Premium Membership you can book up to 24 hours ahead. This is explained on the Smooci website.

[SmoociApp]

Thanks for that follow up. I'll bet the trickster you mentioned is one of the girls I saw getting a 5.0 Star Rating recently as the first rating I'd noticed her getting. I wondered at the time if she really scored a straight 3 (or more) in a row 5 Star Ratings from her earliest customers, which is possible I suppose, or, well, had there been some trickery involved. And that is what led me to realize it wouldn't be that difficult for a girl to make 3 fake bookings for herself at the beginning of her association with Smooci and guarantee those bookings resulted in top Star Ratings no matter what. Glad to hear you were already on the scent of something fishy there.

Actually, what my mind conjured up and what that girl had in fact been caught doing is not that dissimilar from the "rigging" of the system by some girls that we have already read about in a couple of reports here. I'm talking about the girls who give just mediocre service but make a big show of pleading for a 5 Star Rating from the customer on the way out the door. In a sense, a girl like that is merely recruiting a partner in her "rigging" scam right there on the spot rather than having three of them all lined up ahead of time. If a girl like that is successful with that one and just two more customers before getting her first Star Rating published, then she has essentially done the same kind of "rigging" of the system the trickster you mentioned did in only a slightly less sophisticated way. Although much harder to detect, I would think.

The end result being the published Star rating she has convinced at least three customers to give her does not really hold her "accountable" for her offered service in the bed any more than those fake bookings ratings did for the girl you caught.

But, as you say, it's not a perfect system, and it will be near impossible to catch every bad companion (and client) on their first booking.

One issue we caught in to early on was companions pressuring clients to give them a good rating. We found the best way to deal with this was to give the clients 7 days to submit the review and and rating and 4 hours after submission to edit it. So in a case where a client felt he was pressured to give a rating he didn't agree with, he can then change it after the companion has left.

Equally, we have had reports where clients have pressured the companion to give extra service in exchange for a good review and rating. We have tried to counter this by adding a report feature. This allows companions to report such incidents directly to us after a booking. Again, it's not a fool proof system and we have to review these incidents manually, but we try to give the benefit of the doubt based on the history of the client and the companion.

[EihTooms]

Just to cover this point again, it's not possible to give a 0 star rating. When you get the ratings form the rating starts at a 3. You can select 1 to 5 before submiting the rating, but a 0 rating is not possible.

We do try to monitor the way the companions and client are using the site and are becoming wise to a few tricks people use. In the last 2 weeks we banned a companion who created fake bookings to boost her ratings and another companion who had created a second account.

It's not a perfect system, and it will be near impossible to catch every bad companion (and client) on their first booking, but we are trying to create a system that doesn't let those user stay on the system for long.

Thanks for that follow up. I'll bet the trickster you mentioned is one of the girls I saw getting a 5.0 Star Rating recently as the first rating I'd noticed her getting. I wondered at the time if she really scored a straight 3 (or more) in a row 5 Star Ratings from her earliest customers, which is possible I suppose, or, well, had there been some trickery involved. And that is what led me to realize it wouldn't be that difficult for a girl to make 3 fake bookings for herself at the beginning of her association with Smooci and guarantee those bookings resulted in top Star Ratings no matter what. Glad to hear you were already on the scent of something fishy there.

Actually, what my mind conjured up and what that girl had in fact been caught doing is not that dissimilar from the "rigging" of the system by some girls that we have already read about in a couple of reports here. I'm talking about the girls who give just mediocre service but make a big show of pleading for a 5 Star Rating from the customer on the way out the door. In a sense, a girl like that is merely recruiting a partner in her "rigging" scam right there on the spot rather than having three of them all lined up ahead of time. If a girl like that is successful with that one and just two more customers before getting her first Star Rating published, then she has essentially done the same kind of "rigging" of the system the trickster you mentioned did in only a slightly less sophisticated way. Although much harder to detect, I would think.

The end result being the published Star rating she has convinced at least three customers to give her does not really hold her "accountable" for her offered service in the bed any more than those fake bookings ratings did for the girl you caught.

But, as you say, it's not a perfect system, and it will be near impossible to catch every bad companion (and client) on their first booking.

[SmoociApp]

I wasn't aware that Smooci kicked off girls who occasionally get a 1-2 Star Rating. Or who go through many customers with no rating given at all. Remember, a lot of Smooci customers probably think giving NO rating is making a statement that the experience wasn't even worth a 1 Star rating. Yet if you dig down very deep into Smooci's nearly hidden blog section, you'll find out that giving NO star rating accomplishes nothing and doesn't influence her overall score at all because a 1 star rating is the lowest a girl can get and only Star ratings are factored into her overall score.

But, yeah, I imagine a girl who starts out with a high star rating can burn a few customers here and there if she doesn't feel like putting in two more hours of work on a given day or night, get a low star rating from them if they even bother giving her a rating, but that opening high rating (and subsequent ones as well) provides enough buffer to weather the fallout.

Just to cover this point again, it's not possible to give a 0 star rating. When you get the ratings form the rating starts at a 3. You can select 1 to 5 before submiting the rating, but a 0 rating is not possible.

We do try to monitor the way the companions and client are using the site and are becoming wise to a few tricks people use. In the last 2 weeks we banned a companion who created fake bookings to boost her ratings and another companion who had created a second account.

It's not a perfect system, and it will be near impossible to catch every bad companion (and client) on their first booking, but we are trying to create a system that doesn't let those user stay on the system for long.