Smooci Advertiser Thread

[Crocodilexp]

There is a cancellation fee of at least 1,000 baht on arrival.

That is so absurdly high that you could build a business model around causing the customer to cancel (for instance, send your grandmother). Even these days, there's a fair number of girls who give a full ST for 1,000 baht.

A fair escort cancellation fee would be 300 baht or so. Even that is way too generous in most cases (equal to the daily minimum wage), but let's be generous and assume she needs to commute from Samut Prakan.

Do customers get to leave a rating if they cancel a session with a girl?

[Vrsabien]

Ramrodding them for 2 hours straight and usually not tipping? Yeah, that's probably it.

Hang on, I am not a ramrodder, if girl is uncomfortable or wanting to stop then I surely stop. Unless she started session with some serious diva attitude and didn't let up, then I may do a little ramrodding cause I am pissed off but that only happened once, I am looking at you Cha Cha!

I will also add that 2 of the last 6 smooci girls I booked were at first reluctant to take booking but at the end said they would give me 5 stars cause they don't see why my ratings was so low.

But its important to highlight one massive difference about these 2 girls compared to others.

They enjoyed sex and enjoyed what they do, they were customer oriented, they didn't run out the door after round 1, they had a had proper conversation with you, didn't ask for money upfront, offered round two and took a banging in multiple positions with a smile and did everything they advertised for their premium price. A lot like Bell from Golden.

As opposed to a majority of smooci girls who want you to cum quick so they can leave quick, do none of the stuff advertised and want to charge a premium price when hating their job (again I am looking at you Cha Cha!

Its those girls that show no interest in round 2 or in their job that you end session early, thus I am guessing they expecting you to give them a bad rating and give you one to retaliate.

Therefore, its my view that if smooci wants to rate its customers it should do so on set criteria:

1) did he pay you.

2) was he rude.

3) was he aggressive or violent.

They should also then inform the client the rating so he doesn't do the above again, thus you weed out bad behavior by calling it out.

But instead smooci clients are rated by some secret code, making smooci just a tad more shadier to deal with.

[EihTooms]

Are you sure you're throwing the right balls for comparison?

Is a girl sitting next to me voluntarily in hopes to get business is same as me booking a girl to come to my room and then cancelling it? This should answer your question.

But a go-go girl had to travel all the way to the bar. Maybe it took her longer to get there and at greater expense than the girl you booked on Smooci spent to get to your hotel room.

On top of which she had to change out of her street clothes and into a skimpy bikini, shuffle around on a stage for 1-2 hours before getting called down for an up close interview, if she gets one at all that night.

Meanwhile, an inconsiderate customer might call her over and occupy the next hour of her only 5-6 hours of the night that she has a shot to be barfined. Unlike the Smooci girl who might be available for booking three times that number of hours in a day and night.

Are you really going to be so cruel and unthinking to call her over, take her out of the running for meeting a much kinder customer in the bar for that 45 minutes to an hour of her work shift and not feel compelled to give her a 1,000-2,000 baht Cancellation Fee?

No wonder mamasans at go-go bars are more and more often demanding full Payment Upfront for the girl along with the barfine to protect those girls from such cruel and unthinking customers. We already have bars being thoughtful enough to demand we buy TWO lady drinks just to call over some of those poor girls in the bars to sit with us.

Hopefully, it is only a matter of time before they start adding a hefty Cancellation Fee for any customers so selfish as to decide what the girl offers in a take out after negotiation and checking out the chemistry does not suit their fancy enough to Pay the whole sum Upfront.

[Gargano19]

Do you pay for car repair upfront? How about other services? I sure don't. P4 P is a service and one that nowadays sees less delivered than promised. I've don't pay up front, that's asking for bad service. There is no incentive once she has the money. It's the least she feels she can get away with.

Are there asshole guys that don't pay? I'm sure there are, but there are far more providers that don't give the service promised.

Well, for me this have worked well since I have been here in BKK and in other countries too. The only place where I was cautious of giving money in advance, was Kualalampur, as there I was giving money to a guy who bring the girl outside the hotel, not to girl in hotel room.

[Franciscass]

Sadly too many situations in life where everything gets reduced down to the lowest common denominator.

Some assholes don't pay what they should so girls ask everybody to pay upfront. Same way some girls don't deliver what's agreed and so no girl should be paid up front.

I don't know how often girls are stiffed by customers but I do know at least from my own experiences paying the girls upfront does not result in substandard service. Actually I would argue that from some girls the service is better. They are relaxed about not getting paid and they like you better because you have shown you respect them by trusting them.

I would suggest there are issues on both sides of the buy and the sell but lets not tar everybody with the same brush.

On the issue about paying cancellation fees. I get it the dickhead who consistently sends back girls empty handed should be treated and regarded as a lowlife but if I book a girl based on her looks and her overweight mother arrives why should I have to compensate her to the tune of 1000 or 2000 Baht. I don't use escorts a lot but when I have had a blatant switch or a completely misleading description of who is coming I have given 200 baht to cover taxi fare along with a polite Thank You Krap.

[Goatscrot]

Are you sure you're throwing the right balls for comparison?

Is a girl sitting next to me voluntarily in hopes to get business is same as me booking a girl to come to my room and then cancelling it? This should answer your question.

I pay her once in room. 8 out of 10 times her service / performance have been better or indifferent. Anyway, we pay the bar fine upfront anyway, it's not like we pay it after the sex.

The reason I am a supporter of paying up-front, because these girls had experience when guy acted like an a-hole when it comes to paying. Girl is not in bar or shop, she is in her room, guy has the power. I have heard many incidents when guy didn't paid the agreed amount or asked for more than what was agreed when it was his turn to pay.

So, I remove all these doubts from the girl's mind when she meets me. And I am not a tourist here for 2 weeks, I can handle 1-2 incidents when girls showed no interest after getting paid upfront.

Do you pay for car repair upfront? How about other services? I sure don't. P4 P is a service and one that nowadays sees less delivered than promised. I've don't pay up front, that's asking for bad service. There is no incentive once she has the money. It's the least she feels she can get away with.

Are there asshole guys that don't pay? I'm sure there are, but there are far more providers that don't give the service promised.

[Gargano19]

Should the mamasans and girls in all the go-go bars require the full 2,500-3,000 baht ST fee be Paid Upfront with a 1,000+ baht Cancellation Fee imposed if she sits next to you but you decide not to barfine her after all?

Are you sure you're throwing the right balls for comparison?

Is a girl sitting next to me voluntarily in hopes to get business is same as me booking a girl to come to my room and then cancelling it? This should answer your question.

Do you voluntarily pay a go-go or beer bar girl the full amount upfront in the bar even when she doesn't ask for it to be paid upfront in the bar? If not, why not?

I pay her once in room. 8 out of 10 times her service / performance have been better or indifferent. Anyway, we pay the bar fine upfront anyway, it's not like we pay it after the sex.

The reason I am a supporter of paying up-front, because these girls had experience when guy acted like an a-hole when it comes to paying. Girl is not in bar or shop, she is in her room, guy has the power. I have heard many incidents when guy didn't paid the agreed amount or asked for more than what was agreed when it was his turn to pay.

So, I remove all these doubts from the girl's mind when she meets me. And I am not a tourist here for 2 weeks, I can handle 1-2 incidents when girls showed no interest after getting paid upfront.

[EihTooms]

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If there is no cancellation fee, guys will just keep booking them and cancelling at last moment. Who will pay for girl's cab fee then?

Then they should have no problem with a 100 baht cancellation fee for taxi.

Regarding paying up-front when using smooci, you have a escort profile with reviews, do you think she's going to run with your money without doing the services?

Not too often. But I would bet the farm her service would be no better than minimally acceptable, likely not worth anywhere near the money, if Paid Upfront vs much better if she knew her pay depended on her service level.

Since you think it makes no difference and, if anything, might actually improve the P4P experience for all concerned, are you in favor of ALL P4P services and options in Thailand requiring the customer to Pay Upfront and imposing a Cancellation Fee? Should the mamasans and girls in all the go-go bars require the full 2,500-3,000 baht ST fee be Paid Upfront with a 1,000+ baht Cancellation Fee imposed if she sits next to you but you decide not to barfine her after all? Do you voluntarily pay a go-go or beer bar girl the full amount upfront in the bar even when she doesn't ask for it to be paid upfront in the bar? If not, why not?

[EihTooms]

I am sure I don't know.

Is there a cancellation option with Smoochi and how much do you lose for that?

There is a cancellation fee of at least 1,000 baht on arrival. I have seen it go as high as 2,000+ baht cancellation fee for some girls on their site. Funny that if a Smooci booked girl shows up looking so less attractive or behaving so badly compared to her photos and expectations, it is likely she will get paid more baht within 10 minutes for doing nothing than she would have gotten if she was picked up on Soi 4 and did everything. LOL.

Most of your other questions would be answered in a visit to their site.

Lastly are smoochi girls value for money? Or if you never used it, like me, you would not know.

Oh, yes, I've had a several girls that have appeared on Smooci ("smooci girls", so to speak). However, I didn't book them through Smooci. I had them before they knew about or showed up on Smooci, when they were younger, apparently slimmer (based on their photos), would not have dared ask for Payment Upfront or a cancellation fee, asked for less money and provided much more to me than what they stated was available on their Smooci profiles. Under those circumstances they provided great value for money as far as I am concerned.

[Gargano19]

Lastly are smoochi girls value for money? Or if you never used it, like me, you would not know.

I think the arrangements are all a bit complex for my liking. I think escorts are well suited to guys who cannot be seen in Gogo bars, or chatting up girls on Soi 4 or coming out of Thermae with a girl etc. I have been spotted with girls in public at least once by someone who knew my GF. So it can be a problem where and how we monger.

I used to use Smooci when new to Bangkok. Haven't used it for months now.

Yes it's good for those who don't like to go to clubs and prefer to do it in their room rather than massage shop.

It's expensive a bit, but the demography it's targeting, for them this price is not an issue.

The only problem I had with Smooci was, age. It's good they have age verification feature now. Otherwise most are 35+ there.

[Gargano19]

Let's hope no other venues, shops, online services or any other P4P option anywhere in Thailand or elsewhere on Earth follows Smooci's lead on this horrible idea like some of their other horrible ideas have bled into the system and inspire others to emulate, i.e. full amount paid upfront, cancellation fees on arrival, etc. That is how these horrible ideas effect us even if we avoid booking a girl through Smooci like the plague. They bleed into the minds of P4P girls elsewhere.

How cancellation fee or paying up-front os bad?

Every service in world whether sexual or not comes with a cancellation fee. So why not sexual services fall under the same?

If there is no cancellation fee, guys will just keep booking them and cancelling at last moment. Who will pay for girl's cab fee then?

Regarding paying up-front when using smooci, you have a escort profile with reviews, do you think she's going to run with your money without doing the services?

Most escort agencies around the world ask for amount up-front. When I meet a girl for the first time, I pay usually at start, this just relaxes the environment. Did I have an uninterested girl, looking to get out after getting paid? Yes, couple of times. But most of the times she just seemed relaxed and not worried about performing, afraid if I will pay or not. Again, don't you pay for most services in advance like rent, hotel fee.

[Syzygies]

Who says you or another customer like you wouldn't be getting a very low rating if he refused to pay just 3 out of his first 6 girls who showed up not looking enough like their photos?

I am sure I don't know.

Is there a cancellation option with Smoochi and how much do you lose for that?

If there is a cancellation option, Smoochi could easily keep stats on how many times a guys cancelled, and strike him off if he did it too often.

Hopefully that might be separate from girl ratings if they do indeed capture cancellation counts.

Does Smoochi always tell if a girl has implants and a nose job? That is important info for me. If girl did not match the promise of natural tits or had a bad nose job, I would surely be wanting to reject her. Not sure if Smoochi can meet my special needs. A horrible nose puts me right off a girl.

Lastly are smoochi girls value for money? Or if you never used it, like me, you would not know.

I think the arrangements are all a bit complex for my liking. I think escorts are well suited to guys who cannot be seen in Gogo bars, or chatting up girls on Soi 4 or coming out of Thermae with a girl etc. I have been spotted with girls in public at least once by someone who knew my GF. So it can be a problem where and how we monger.
I do like my regular girls to come to my Hotel room privately or me go to their place, or similar, and not be out dining with them etc.

One girl is quite particular that I do not stay in an area where someone who knows her will spot her visiting me. Another was no happy for me to stay less than 1K from her place. Too close. Friends might see her by fluke.

[EihTooms]

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I can't see myself ever paying up front for a girl who maybe nothing like what I thought I was going to get. As BB says, I need to see her on Video first, as a minimum, or be taking a gamble with someone highly recommended and guaranteed natural.

I think if a guy gets a consistently bad rating, something has to be not working out with the Smoochie system and he best not continue. After all there are other options. I have never used Smoochie to date, so I don't even know the system really. I am not pissed off to be not using it, and I don't even see myself as a guy likely to get a consistently low rating if I get the girl I was expecting. Not the most demanding customer for service at all.

Who says you or another customer like you wouldn't be getting a very low rating if he refused to pay just 3 out of his first 6 girls who showed up not looking enough like their photos?

[Syzygies]

No, that's not fairness. It's not a dating site. Customers are paying for a service. Girls are getting that money and delivering a service.

Does not really matter if it is fair or not to you. Clearly the girls like to be warned about guys consistently rated as assholes. Hopefully Smoochi will not allow a single bad rating to outweigh good ratings by other girls. However if you book 5 girls, and they all hate you, having a bad rating seems fair enough, or incredibly unlucky. Maybe such a guy is not cut out for being a Smoochi customer. A problem customer. Not a guy that will just accept any girl that turns up and any service. Ha ha.

Smoochi has to try to make this cheaper option win win for both the guys and the girls. Guys can't really expect win for them and lose for the girls. If don't want to be rated via Smoochi, go direct to the Escort service and pay full price I think.

I am sure the average guy could have a good time, and be not making too many problems, if he really likes the girl and her service.

One could expect tit for tat ratings. If the customer does not like the girl, surely the girl will not like the customer too. Perhaps Smoochi can make some adjustment for that.

If I am being rated, I would prefer to be rated by various categories, rather than a single rating. Takes a long time to cum rating (not at all ram-rod) is not at all like some other incompatibility problems. I am sure that is likely to be my worst feature, but have little idea how important that aspect is for escort girls.

I can't see myself ever paying up front for a girl who maybe nothing like what I thought I was going to get. As BB says, I need to see her on Video first, as a minimum, or be taking a gamble with someone highly recommended and guaranteed natural.

I think if a guy gets a consistently bad rating, something has to be not working out with the Smoochie system and he best not continue. After all there are other options. I have never used Smoochie to date, so I don't even know the system really. I am not pissed off to be not using it, and I don't even see myself as a guy likely to get a consistently low rating if I get the girl I was expecting. Not the most demanding customer for service at all.

[EihTooms]

Agreed. The idea of rating the customer is not ok and would definitely keep me away.

It might be the worst new idea ever proposed and established by any P4P business, particularly since the reasons for a low rating are held secret between the girls. As bland and mostly meaningless as the ratings and comments for the girls are, at least the customers' reasons for giving that rating are out there for all to see so there might be a way to refute a low one.

Obviously, the ultimate outcome would be the girls' ideal customer deserving a 4 or 5 star rating is the pleasant, low or no demand fellow who pays the full amount upfront regardless how she looks compared with her photos and is happy no matter how crappy the service or if there is no service at all and he only gets a winning smile at the door, adds a large tip and lets her go early while the one who would get a low rating is anyone who does not fit that profile. And, guess what, there are enough weak sister mongers in the world to fill their dance cards on their preferred criteria all day and all night. The only limitation is in making enough weak sister mongers aware of the business.

Let's hope no other venues, shops, online services or any other P4P option anywhere in Thailand or elsewhere on Earth follows Smooci's lead on this horrible idea like some of their other horrible ideas have bled into the system and inspire others to emulate, i.e. full amount paid upfront, cancellation fees on arrival, etc. That is how these horrible ideas effect us even if we avoid booking a girl through Smooci like the plague. They bleed into the minds of P4P girls elsewhere.