Smooci Advertiser Thread

[SmoociApp]

Clicked on her profile and near the bottom in the box that says "about me" she has listed 'transport 500 baht'. Is she asking for transportation money from every client?

Thanks for pointing that out, we have removed it and sent a note to the companion.

The system uses the distance between the companion and the client to add on any fair travel charges but these aren't effective unless the journey is at least 10 KM (I think, I'd have to double check current distance for Bangkok).

In general we allow the description to be a free text space, but we will try to stop girls from adding extra costs here as it will not be automatically added to the booking fee on confirmation and will cause confusion.

In this case we explained to Miimi how the travel fees are calculated, and that if she needed to add 500 baht to every booking for travel she needs to add this to her rate so that it is clear to the cleints.

[Breadman]

Clicked on her profile and near the bottom in the box that says "about me" she has listed 'transport 500 baht'. Is she asking for transportation money from every client?

[EihTooms]

Good answer if a little exaggerated. When I chat to a gogo girl, it is not really about "negotiation" as such. It is more finding out her personality and the possibility to have fun, and what she likes and doesn't like.

There are some critical questions, I guess. Does she insist on her condoms, and if so what are they? Does she prefer Farangs or Asians? Big or small? LOL.

So yes I can see now that would be very useful with an Escort also, if really feasible. I suspect a little more difficult by video (but have not tried it). I was probably thrown off by the term "Negotiation" since I am not a big time negotiator, mainly seeking girls willing to have "fun", which could be squashed by negotiation somewhat.

I suspect many Escorts maybe resistant to the idea of interview first, unless they see that as an advantage to decide which customers to reject as well.

Would be nice to see what the Escort really looks like. That is the most important step for me. The sight unseen thing is my major stumbling block, being so picky with faces and surgeries. 90% of escorts don't have the look I would want and that is based on Photoshopped already.

However window shopping video links does not sound that feasible. I could imagine seeing the girl for 30 seconds then rejecting many of them, and finally getting black banned. LOL
Similar to how I walk in an out of the succession of MPs on occasion, looking for a special looking girl.

See, I submit that your charming manor and her lovey-dovey response to it (if so) are all part of a "negotiation". You are both negotiating for better treatment by the other. Perhaps only walking into a retail store and choosing a shirt off the rack involves no negotiation. That sort of thing.

The questions that are important to you and that you ask girls already can certainly be asked in a fun and non businesslike way and I assume that is the way you do it, right? Just as the questions that are important to me and that I might ask can be asked in a fun and non businesslike way. This is only more evidence that we just don't like the term "negotiation", yet we all do it most of the time or we'd get rolled all day and night by everyone else.

However, I do share your concern about overdoing it or just becoming a nuisance. But my feeling about that is if I get rejected by a girl because she refuses to agree to the way I need and want things, then she has just saved me a lot of wasted time and money. I'm rejecting her, too. Same as it is in a go-go bar, on the street or online elsewhere now. And if I get blackballed by an entire service or bar because I view the offerings so often yet can never find someone suitable, I already know it is easy for me to find what I am looking for somewhere else and I will spend my money there instead, no problem.

Hell, I was already doing fine getting what I want my way without this or that go-go bar, this or that booking service, and so on. The pressure is on THEM to find a reason to move the money out of my pocket and into theirs, not on ME to find a reason to give them money despite their being incapable or unwilling to provide justification to do it. My money is mobile, very easy to move every baht in my pocket from one location to another.

[Syzygies]

Well, if that is the way you see it, why bother having a conversation at all with any girl before choosing her, including those you meet face to face on the street or in a go-go bar?

Good answer if a little exaggerated. When I chat to a gogo girl, it is not really about "negotiation" as such. It is more finding out her personality and the possibility to have fun, and what she likes and doesn't like.

There are some critical questions, I guess. Does she insist on her condoms, and if so what are they? Does she prefer Farangs or Asians? Big or small? LOL.

So yes I can see now that would be very useful with an Escort also, if really feasible. I suspect a little more difficult by video (but have not tried it). I was probably thrown off by the term "Negotiation" since I am not a big time negotiator, mainly seeking girls willing to have "fun", which could be squashed by negotiation somewhat.

I suspect many Escorts maybe resistant to the idea of interview first, unless they see that as an advantage to decide which customers to reject as well.

Would be nice to see what the Escort really looks like. That is the most important step for me. The sight unseen thing is my major stumbling block, being so picky with faces and surgeries. 90% of escorts don't have the look I would want and that is based on Photoshopped already.

However window shopping video links does not sound that feasible. I could imagine seeing the girl for 30 seconds then rejecting many of them, and finally getting black banned. LOL
Similar to how I walk in an out of the succession of MPs on occasion, looking for a special looking girl.

[EihTooms]

I can imagine a girls' specs saying she does not do anal, rimming, an absolutely no BBFS, and yet some guy will still want to try to negotiate it. I imagine guys like this will have to be disabled from using Smooci, as being waste of time types. I am sure girls don't want to be spending a lot of time negotiating price either, so just what is there to be negotiated in particular? Can I make a porno video? LOL Clearly we expect her to be like her pic and perform services she says she performs.

Well, if that is the way you see it, why bother having a conversation at all with any girl before choosing her, including those you meet face to face on the street or in a go-go bar?

First of all, I have not seen any Smooci profile that states, "I do NOT do this or that". And if girls booked through Smooci, any other booking site, dating site, that we meet face to face on the street or in a bar never offered or provided more than what is now listed on those Smooci profiles, Thailand could scarcely be considered a P4P destination at all! Good lord, NONE of them now list "fucking" or any other euphemism for it as a service they offer and typically less than HALF of them list CIM!

Do you honestly feel there is zero benefit in having a live video chat with a girl so you can see her more accurately than in a doctored photo she submitted herself and so she can see and hear YOU for the first time ever before she agrees to anything off the menu for a price different than that stated on the site (a customer might even offer more in order to get more, BTW)? How about actually looking at a girl on a go-go bar stage and having her sit next to you for a brief chat over a drink? No benefit to that either?

All of this stuff is "negotiation". We do it for virtually every encounter sexual or otherwise even though we don't like using that word.

If nothing else, it would save someone like ME the 1,000-2,000 baht non refundable cancellation fee on arrival where I would otherwise then have only 10 minutes to see her moving and "live" for the first time, be assessed by her for the first time and settle any "off the menu" requirements I need or I would be totally wasting the next 3,000+ baht expenditure I would be required to pay upfront.

I don't know about the "in writing" thing SmoociApp mentioned, that is different. As always, the Devil Is In The Details so I'll wait to see how that develops. But I'll say this, if something must be put in writing, the very first thing if not the only thing I will insist be put in writing is, "I will happily pay XXXX baht IF and AFTER Nong has successfully completed the sex acts we discussed privately in our chat, not BEFORE." LOL.

[Syzygies]

Outstanding! If that is the case, I would be happy to book a girl through Smooci as long as we come to an agreement on terms. IMO, direct and private customer-to-provider discussion, photo exchange and brief live video chat (in the absence of meeting in person, of course) is a far superior means for both sides getting what they need and want in the arrangement than just about any other method.

I can imagine a girls' specs saying she does not do anal, rimming, an absolutely no BBFS, and yet some guy will still want to try to negotiate it. I imagine guys like this will have to be disabled from using Smooci, as being waste of time types. I am sure girls don't want to be spending a lot of time negotiating price either, so just what is there to be negotiated in particular? Can I make a porno video? LOL Clearly we expect her to be like her pic and perform services she says she performs.

[SmoociApp]

Outstanding! If that is the case, I would be happy to book a girl through Smooci as long as we come to an agreement on terms. IMO, direct and private customer-to-provider discussion, photo exchange and brief live video chat (in the absence of meeting in person, of course) is a far superior means for both sides getting what they need and want in the arrangement than just about any other method.

That's the goal but sadly there are a high number of guys who would take advantage of an easy chat and video chat function.

When we started Smooci we first wanted to find ways to limit the fake bookings and timewasters and try to bring the companions a high percentage of genuine clients / bookings, which we have achieved to an extent. We are now getting in a position where we can start to introduce the ability to chat and negotiatie, but we are working on ways to do it without it increasing the number of fake bookings.

We understand that a chat feature is needed to improve the service and in many markets being able to negotiate is required to become more accepted, so we are trying to find the right way to do it. We still want the concept of the client and companion having a clear agreement in writing, so one idea is to follow the airbnb way of allowing the companions to send a custom offer after initial chat (adjusting the rate / shots / time) and having both parties accept that and having it clear.

[EihTooms]

Yes, of course, private chates would be just that. I can answer more specific questions once features are introduced and live.

Outstanding! If that is the case, I would be happy to book a girl through Smooci as long as we come to an agreement on terms. IMO, direct and private customer-to-provider discussion, photo exchange and brief live video chat (in the absence of meeting in person, of course) is a far superior means for both sides getting what they need and want in the arrangement than just about any other method.

[SmoociApp]

That sounds interesting. Assuming this chat feature is established, will it be understood by both sides that their conversation, up-to-the-minute photo sharing from each side, video chatting, whatever is 100% private between the two of them and will not be monitored or seen by anyone else? In other words, will it be understood to be as private a chat and negotiation between the customer and the girl as one would have on, say, the Line app?

Yes, of course, private chates would be just that. I can answer more specific questions once features are introduced and live.

[EihTooms]

Smooci is by no means a finished product. It's grew much quicker that we expected and we are still kind of playing catch up. There are some important features we have still not manage to work on, but we are getting closer to being able to add in a chat feature and a 'make offer' system which should make smooci work better for the guys who prefer some form of negotiation.

That sounds interesting. Assuming this chat feature is established, will it be understood by both sides that their conversation, up-to-the-minute photo sharing from each side, video chatting, whatever is 100% private between the two of them and will not be monitored or seen by anyone else? In other words, will it be understood to be as private a chat and negotiation between the customer and the girl as one would have on, say, the Line app?

[SmoociApp]

It's obvious that you positioned yourself within a niche of vastly overpriced "escorts"

I don't agree. We are an open platform, we allow agencies and independents. The main requirememts we have is that independents must be independent and we have flags in place related to GPS posistions which helps us catch out agencies / pimps using independent accounts. We limit the number of agencies we have, screening agency applications and not allowing more until the number of independents hit our targets, but we encourage any genuine Bangkok independent to join and they can set the price they want.

To say we are a glossy website and our clients are not picky, don't care about ages or price or photo verification, couldn't be further from the truth. People are welcome to criticise and have a negative option but we try to speak up when we feel information is misleading.

Our concept is to introduce a live booking experience, bring in more verified information (including verified ratings and comments), and create a more competitive market place. It perhaps never be a service that suits everyone's style or purpose but we are working har dto make a better experience for the clients and the escorts. Smooci is definitely not a finished article but that's the aim and we feel with made some good steps in the right direction with more features to come soon which will push further towards that goal.

[Crocodilexp]

In our initial research the average price for online escorts on similar escort directories, classifieds, and agency websites was 5,000 to 6,000 baht for 2 hours. 18 months in and the average agency girls price on our site is between 3,000 and 4,000 Baht and 2 shots, with many also offering a cheaper 1 hour option.

It's obvious that you positioned yourself within a niche of vastly overpriced "escorts" (2-4 x the going rate in most other market segments), with customers who are not especially picky about either price, service or advanced age of the providers. It's also obvious that within this segment, it makes business sense to give virtually all of the negotiation and pricing power to the providers, and that the punters only get the glossy website with convenience of easy booking, and not much else. Nothing wrong with that from a business standpoint, cornering a niche market can be easier and safer than going for the mass market (albeit with limited growth potential).

The question on my mind used to be whether Smooci will ever go for the mass market, and my feeling is that that's simply not going to happen. There's a large open space for a mass market working girl platform in Thailand, and I hope someone will eventually fill it.

[SmoociApp]

You're right, prices almost never get pushed below the established market rate.

What I meant was that I hoped mass adoption of Smooci would push the price on the website down from astronomical escort levels to market rates that you can find among freelancers and bargirls on Sukhumvit, as well as on other online ad platforms like FinFanFan. In 2018, that level is 1000-2500 baht for anything from a 1 pop to a 2 hour session, depending on what the girl wants to offer. Currently, Smooci is over 2 x those rates, with a tendency of going up, without much better quality or service.

What I hoped for was no barfines or drink games, no waiting in the bar or walking the streets, just an efficient way to connect providers and customers with minimum hassle at existing market rates, without overheads, and with a wide choice of providers. Alas, seems like that will never happen with Smooci.

I don't think this is quite true or fair. Of our initial goals for our Bangkok platform the one we feel we've been most successful on is price, especially with regards to agency escorts.

In our initial research the average price for online escorts on similar escort directories, classifieds, and agency websites was 5,000 to 6,000 baht for 2 hours. 18 months in and the average agency girls price on our site is between 3,000 and 4,000 Baht and 2 shots, with many also offering a cheaper 1 hour option.

While these prices aren't comparable to street action and perhaps beer bar girl prices, we feel it's been very successful with regards to price and in comparison to the rival sites. While we are not in direct competition with the gogo bar scene, I'd say we've also somewhat closed the gap price wise, with current prices for a complete short time experience being comparable and usually with only 1 shot.

Smooci is by no means a finished product. It's grew much quicker that we expected and we are still kind of playing catch up. There are some important features we have still not manage to work on, but we are getting closer to being able to add in a chat feature and a 'make offer' system which should make smooci work better for the guys who prefer some form of negotiation.

[Crocodilexp]

Seems a very unrealistic expectation. Nothing much pushes prices down, even recession.

You're right, prices almost never get pushed below the established market rate.

What I meant was that I hoped mass adoption of Smooci would push the price on the website down from astronomical escort levels to market rates that you can find among freelancers and bargirls on Sukhumvit, as well as on other online ad platforms like FinFanFan. In 2018, that level is 1000-2500 baht for anything from a 1 pop to a 2 hour session, depending on what the girl wants to offer. Currently, Smooci is over 2 x those rates, with a tendency of going up, without much better quality or service.

What I hoped for was no barfines or drink games, no waiting in the bar or walking the streets, just an efficient way to connect providers and customers with minimum hassle at existing market rates, without overheads, and with a wide choice of providers. Alas, seems like that will never happen with Smooci.

[Gigi Buffon]

Thanks for the review, but some of this information is incorrect and it is important to point it out.

'Smooci does absolutely no age verification'.

We have now launched the age verification feature so escorts have the option to verify their age. This is done by checking their date of birth against an accepted ID. It is then locked to their date of birth and highlighted on the site to premium members as VERIFIED. You can also use the filter feature to only see verified
is a premium member or free user.

Not sure if this is the outcome of the age verification steps that Smooci has taken, but if it is, there is some progress on this front. Masis, an escort listed in Bangkok Dreams Girl, in the agency site, the age posted is 26, in the Smooci site, Masis age is listed at 42. All other stats and photos remain the same on both sites.