Smooci Advertiser Thread

[AmbiguousJonny]

It has been stated many times I think, that you cannot book any girls more than 4 hours ahead. If a girl is not shown as available, you have to book through her normal agency at normal rates.

Very popular girls, may appear available on Smoochi quite irregularly.

His question was about Premium Membership though. AFAIK, you can book for up to 24 hrs with Premium. So it's a fair question, I'd also like to hear the answer!

[EihTooms]

What would be the purpose of "rigging the system" for an already established escort that is new to Smooci?

So she can rip off a couple of customers? She would get kicked off Smooci, and won't ever be able to return. Or her rating would quickly plummet to undesirable. That's the whole point of Smooci, making the girls accountable.

I wasn't aware that Smooci kicked off girls who occasionally get a 1-2 Star Rating. Or who go through many customers with no rating given at all. Remember, a lot of Smooci customers probably think giving NO rating is making a statement that the experience wasn't even worth a 1 Star rating. Yet if you dig down very deep into Smooci's nearly hidden blog section, you'll find out that giving NO star rating accomplishes nothing and doesn't influence her overall score at all because a 1 star rating is the lowest a girl can get and only Star ratings are factored into her overall score.

But, yeah, I imagine a girl who starts out with a high star rating can burn a few customers here and there if she doesn't feel like putting in two more hours of work on a given day or night, get a low star rating from them if they even bother giving her a rating, but that opening high rating (and subsequent ones as well) provides enough buffer to weather the fallout.

[Shiba7]

What would be the purpose of "rigging the system" for an already established escort that is new to Smooci?

So she can rip off a couple of customers? She would get kicked off Smooci, and won't ever be able to return. Or her rating would quickly plummet to undesirable. That's the whole point of Smooci, making the girls accountable.

[EihTooms]

Too much imagination, not enough statistical math. Removal of outliers, whether top or bottom scores, makes attempted rigging less successful.

No, I think you are using too little imagination and were apparently in such a hurry to get to one of your one-upmanship replies you didn't really take into account how I framed my assertion. I am not talking about a girl who has banked dozens of ratings from customers where removal of top or bottom scores wouldn't matter all that much. I said it would be fairly easy for a NEW girl to rig the system in order to START her scoring out as high as, yep, 5.0 from the get-go. Then she could ride on an increase in bookings due to that high score for a while with very little decline in it over the next several customers even if she gave lousy service and got 1-2 Star ratings from a couple of them.

Haven't you noticed a few girls on Smooci whose first posted Star Rating is 5.0? There is one on there right about now. Well, earlier today. That can only happen if every single one of the first customers who rated her, at least three, ALL gave her the top rating of 5 Stars, right? Do you think such opening Star Ratings for girls NEW on Smooci is plausible very often? Even getting an opening 4.8 Star Rating would be remarkable, imo.

But it wouldn't be difficult to pull that off at all if just three of her friends with a credit card "booked" her during her first days or couple of weeks with Smooci and every one of them gave her a 5 Star Rating whether or not she even showed up for the booking and delivered sex at all. Hell, it could even be three of her already smitten and slavishly devoted low-demand customers from before her association with Smooci who would agree to book her through Smooci now, get the same low-demand middling service she usually delivers to them but they don't have to pay her stated 3,750 baht rate at all. No, the deal is they might only pay her the 1,500 baht they usually pay her in exchange for giving her that 5.0 Star Rating.

But once an opening Star Rating of 5.0, 4.9 or 4.8 is established at the beginning, then we are in your world where one or two high or low ratings here and there won't make a big difference unless the trend in either direction continues for quite a while. Meanwhile, she can ride through many early bookings after her opening Smooci rating on the impression that she really is likely to deliver 5.0 or 4.9 Star Ratings level service whether she does or not. Not saying any girl on Smooci HAS done that. Just pointing out that it wouldn't be difficult to rig an opening 5.0, 4.9 or 4.8 Star Rating in that way.

[EihTooms]

Angeles City is PAY BEFORE because the fee is all inclusive. There is no separate fee payable to the girl. The bar fine and girls fee is all rolled up and paid at the bar.

Yes, that's the way it was years and years ago. So it still is done that way in Angeles City, huh?

That might not have been a bad idea back when the bars were no aircon, fly infested shitholes and the girls were anxious to get out of them ASAP and relax in a much more comfortable hotel for an entire night or longer. But when modern progress and the Western bar owners upgraded the bars into those high concept theme attractions with plenty of cool air, exciting lights and overwhelming music systems, along with their program of making the Ladydrink commission system so attractive to a bargirl she might never have a good reason to leave her girlfriends and all that glamour in the bar for very long in order to spend all night having sex with a fat old farang, paying an "all-inclusive" fee upfront at the bar turned out to be a really bad idea for anyone expecting a good romp in the room followed by a sleep over.

[Engine Driver]

Can't speak for "not has always" or for the Thai Escort scene specifically, but 20-25 years ago when I mongered in Thailand and the Philippines (mostly Angeles City) several weeks per year, one major difference between Thailand's P4P scene in both Bangkok and Pattaya vs Angeles City in the Philippines was that Thailand was PAY-AFTER (so was Manila) while Angeles City was PAY-BEFORE. The internet message boards raged incessantly over the difference. Mongers to both destinations argued about which was a better system for delivery of services; Thailand's (and Manila's) PAY-AFTER system or Angeles City's PAY-BEFORE system. I assure you of that because I was always on the PAY-AFTER side of those pervasive and heated discussions.

And in the past 5+ years I have lived and mongered in Bangkok/Pattaya, Thailand, PAY-AFTER is still the dominant system for go-go bars (talking about the girl's money, not talking about the barfine paid to the bar), beer bars, BJ Bars, Massage Shops and Freelancers. The only exceptions to most of those is when the mamasan or provider thinks she can pull a fast one on an unsuspecting or inexperienced monger and get him to PAY-BEFORE and therefore accept whatever crappy service the girl delivers afterwards having already fully paid up as though she had done a really fine job of it.

Again, can't speak for the Escort scene on that count. And I'm not talking about the big fishbowl operations, where I also have limited (and less than worthwhile) experience. But even in Angeles City, the Philippines, where I did on occasion partake of a hotel delivery escort and in an environment where almost everything was that lame "all-inclusive/PAY-BEFORE" nonsense, I usually paid the escort after and the escort seemed to accept that as the norm. But I suspect that was because the few hotel delivery escorts I had were all from Manila anyway, had worked there previously and found themselves working in Angeles City only for family reasons.

Angeles City is PAY BEFORE because the fee is all inclusive. There is no separate fee payable to the girl. The bar fine and girls fee is all rolled up and paid at the bar.

[Syzygies]

As an aside, I believe it would be fairly easy for a new girl to rig the system in order to start her scoring out as high as, yep, 5.0 from the get-go. Then ride on an increase in bookings due to that high score for a while with very little decline in it over the next several customers even if she gave lousy service and got 1-2 Star ratings from a couple of them.

Too much imagination, not enough statistical math. Removal of outliers, whether top or bottom scores, makes attempted rigging less successful.

[EihTooms]

Your explanation is fine, however the idea to remove extreme outlier ratings is still a good one. It helps allow for very personal biases, and focuses on what the more average customers think. Olympic judging uses it.

Yes, but isn't that just in case one of the judges blinked during a slip and gave too high a score or a judge was being too harsh on a political foe for reasons having nothing to do with the sport and scored too low? And the range of scoring from Olympic judges for a performance is rarely off by more than a couple of whole points out of ten at either end. Meanwhile, I think most casual observers would have a hard time telling the difference between a 7.5 pole vault and an 8.5 pole vault when these Olympic level champions are giving their best at every attempt.

But P4P girls are not Olympic champions giving their best at every attempt. Even the fourth place non-medalist Olympic competitor didn't just shrug off her lifelong mission to win the gold at crunch time and decide not to even try. Not so with P4P girls. It is not the least bit implausible for me to believe a P4P girl walked into a hotel room with ABC customer and gave him objectively the best sex most men would ever experience but that same girl gave XYZ customer nothing but shit service and attitude the next day. So why not let each of those extremes be factored in and effect her overall score? Look, P4P girls are already far more likely to be given the benefit of the doubt by, as you have put it, "optimistic" customers, and scored much higher than they ought to be. So those very low scores are, imo, far more likely to be closer to reality than the higher ones. But it gets sticky to take away the highest score but not the lowest score if you're going to do it that way. Consequently, probably best to factor in all of them, even the extreme high and low scores.

As an aside, I believe it would be fairly easy for a new girl to rig the system in order to start her scoring out as high as, yep, 5.0 from the get-go. Then ride on an increase in bookings due to that high score for a while with very little decline in it over the next several customers even if she gave lousy service and got 1-2 Star ratings from a couple of them.

[Syzygies]

When you browse current off-line girls are you able to advance book them or is it just info on who is available at other times?

It has been stated many times I think, that you cannot book any girls more than 4 hours ahead. If a girl is not shown as available, you have to book through her normal agency at normal rates.

Very popular girls, may appear available on Smoochi quite irregularly.

[Syzygies]

The algorithm takes into consideration how recent a review is given. However, the major factor of how a review score will affect a companion's overall rating is how many previous ratings she has had.

If a companion is new and within her first 10 bookings then each rating can affect her overal score greater for obvious reasons. Whereas when a companion has had 30+ bookings, then each rating will have less of an overall impact (unless she has been inactive for some time and then a little bit more weight will be given to new ratings).

The ratings are a good indication, but the comments help to give them context. Seeing how many ratings and comments a companion has received helps to better understand the rating, and spotting what the common complaints / compliments are.

Your explanation is fine, however the idea to remove extreme outlier ratings is still a good one. It helps allow for very personal biases, and focuses on what the more average customers think. Olympic judging uses it.

If 10 people gave a 5 star rating and one gave a one star, you have to suspect the one star rating should be ignored. Similarly if 10 people gave a 1 star and one person gave a 5 star, bias could equally be suspected.

The question is, what percentage of reviews might be unfair ones, and can any allowance be made for that? I believe that removal of extreme outliers, once sufficient ratings have come in, leads to a fairer rating. I have used algorithms in my work in other fields to remove outliers from the average behaviour picture. This means get a compromise between an average and a medium rating. Median can be more meaningful although harder to determine.

The exact details of the algorithm might have to be secret to avoid attempted manipulation, e.g. do not specify how many outliers get removed.

Is it reasonable for a girl's otherwise great rating to suffer due to one unreasonable customer, giving her the lowest score possible? Obviously not.

The most likely reason for not removing unfair outliers, is that calculating a simple average is much easier. Doing it better is too much work!

[WeewillyWinkie]

When you browse current off-line girls are you able to advance book them or is it just info on who is available at other times?

[SmoociApp]

It's kinda bad that with the current rating system a single 1 star rating can bring it from a 4. 9 to a 4. 7 rating. Probably means the girl won't put in the same kind of effort as before.

I tried Daisy when she was 4. 9, and she's definitely not a 1 rating. When all the rest is 5 stars, it seems fair to say it's one bad customer who would give the 1 star.

Maybe Smooci should change their rating algorithm to work something like IMDB, where one outlier does not hugely impact the rating?

The algorithm takes into consideration how recent a review is given. However, the major factor of how a review score will affect a companion's overall rating is how many previous ratings she has had.

If a companion is new and within her first 10 bookings then each rating can affect her overal score greater for obvious reasons. Whereas when a companion has had 30+ bookings, then each rating will have less of an overall impact (unless she has been inactive for some time and then a little bit more weight will be given to new ratings).

The ratings are a good indication, but the comments help to give them context. Seeing how many ratings and comments a companion has received helps to better understand the rating, and spotting what the common complaints / compliments are.

[Tiandihui]

It's kinda bad that with the current rating system a single 1 star rating can bring it from a 4. 9 to a 4. 7 rating. Probably means the girl won't put in the same kind of effort as before.

I tried Daisy when she was 4. 9, and she's definitely not a 1 rating. When all the rest is 5 stars, it seems fair to say it's one bad customer who would give the 1 star.

Maybe Smooci should change their rating algorithm to work something like IMDB, where one outlier does not hugely impact the rating?

As I thought, Most for those giving low ratings, they will just go straight to the lowest at 1, but when give the positive points, they will think and consider from 3-5.

Maybe when the girls are asked to do some out of their services and they decline, the customer will still give 1 stars regardless if the lady has done most of her stated services.

Because his extra request was rejected. That's my thoughts.

[Shiba7]

It's kinda bad that with the current rating system a single 1 star rating can bring it from a 4. 9 to a 4. 7 rating. Probably means the girl won't put in the same kind of effort as before.

I tried Daisy when she was 4. 9, and she's definitely not a 1 rating. When all the rest is 5 stars, it seems fair to say it's one bad customer who would give the 1 star.

Maybe Smooci should change their rating algorithm to work something like IMDB, where one outlier does not hugely impact the rating?

[Tiandihui]

I booked her (Cherry from Bangkok Escort) several times early last year. The first time she asked for the money upfront, but the other times, she did not and I paid her at the end. In all occasions, the service provided was above average and I enjoyed. I guess that once you are a repeat customer, the girl attitude to paying upfront or at the end changes. Also, I've noticed that once you become a regular or VIP customer to one of the top agencies, this information is passed on to ladies that you might be booking for the first time and this conditions their behaviour.

Exactly as I had always mentioned. For us to have good service for the long term- "Want good service, be a good customer first".

Just like, in other biz transaction, a first timer always need to pay in cash but as for the regular and good paying customer, by 2nd or 3rd time, will able to get 30-60 days credit term in their transactions.