Smooci Advertiser Thread

[Syzygies]

The way it relates to your post here, LA Guy 5, and why I am replying to it this way is because I am wondering if it is now more accepted than it generally has been over the past 20 years or so that GFE and/or PSE are, indeed, more likely as not "code" for BBFS being on the table and up for negotiation. I mean, there must be a reason all those escort services dropped those terms from the girls' offerings and why so few of their girls on Smooci have so far included the terms in their profiles. Is it because all too often when customers saw GFE or PSE, they hit up every girl claiming it for BBFS and the girls just got tired of the arguments that ensued?

Yes absolutely. Makes a lot of sense to drop GFE and PSE terms off, if are regularly misinterpreted to mean BBFS. To me GFE means apparent enthusiasm, including kissing and even perhaps letting herself go. So generally indistinguishable from a real GF, possibly better, with exception that condom might be required. PSE tends to mean things like CIM and anal and full on wild activities, perhaps extra stamina, accepts large cock, but not necessarily BBFS. Just my view of it.

Just because a girl provides pretty great service, does not mean she wishes to risk catching an STD, vaginal warts, Thrush, etc. , from any guy just met of unknown hygiene standards. Gonnoreah and Chlamydia are still pretty common, but less likely caught from BB oral. Can't agree with Crocodile's "exceptional circumstances" if needed to back out of BBFS. However looks like he did not mean it to apply to BBFS. Educated sensible girls surely are not trusting every customer, so easily.

I like BBFS a lot myself, but does not mean I expect to get it, and I am selective who I risk it with, and when. I am not trying to get it with every low class girl. Can't afford to give the long time GF a dose of something. That would not be nice, and hard to estimate the Psychological damage. Meanwhile Okamoto 003 condoms are giving me pretty good feeling such that it is hard to accept any other thicker condoms right now. I don't return to Durex. These condoms are smallish (Japan size LOL) so not easiest to get on, but they do stretch well and seem quite thin. So go on OK with the right stretching action (and tend to stay on). I have tried Sagami but the non stretching Polyurethane, that is not smooth (has wrinkles), does not work well for me.


If girl insists on using her own condoms, that is deal breaker for me. I could have very low feeling with bad thick condoms or too tight condoms.

[Crocodilexp]

I agree with one exception, and that is the inclusion of BBFS. I don't think it is fair to pin down the girls on this owing to the possibility the girl finds the customer has indications of STDs or open sores. In such a case should the girl be penalized if she backs out on doing this?

There are always exceptional circumstances. The girl is still free to refuse any service, for whatever reason, checking the box on the website is not an absolute guarantee. That's precisely why customer reviews matter. If there are a few dozen reviews, the girl won't be penalized for a single refusal.

As for BBFS (or even more, BBA+), there's a decent argument to be made that it shouldn't be on the menu at all since working girls should never be encouraged to engage in unsafe activities with high risk to their health (note that HIV transmission is much higher male-to-female than the other way around). On the other hand, it's a fact of life that some girls offer it, but maybe it's better not to explicitly call it out on the profile, giving the girls a bit more leeway to refuse it.

[Franciscass]

I agree with one exception, and that is the inclusion of BBFS. I don't think it is fair to pin down the girls on this owing to the possibility the girl finds the customer has indications of STDs or open sores. In such a case should the girl be penalized if she backs out on doing this? I suppose the inclusion of GFE can serve as a weak indicator of whether BBFS is available. If GFE is not included as one of the services provided, it is pretty sure (but not certain) BBFS is off the menu. OTOH, if GFE is included on the menu, it is anyone's guess.

Irrespective of whether GFE or PSE is listed to avoid any confusion it should be clearly shown on her profile when BBFS is not available. Some customers seem to require this more than any other service and when it's expected but not available it can cause friction.

Personally I truly believe it's irresponsible for either party to engage in casual unprotected sex for the obvious health issues involved but hey what goes on between consenting adults etc etc.

[EihTooms]

I agree with one exception, and that is the inclusion of BBFS. I don't think it is fair to pin down the girls on this owing to the possibility the girl finds the customer has indications of STDs or open sores. In such a case should the girl be penalized if she backs out on doing this? I suppose the inclusion of GFE can serve as a weak indicator of whether BBFS is available. If GFE is not included as one of the services provided, it is pretty sure (but not certain) BBFS is off the menu. OTOH, if GFE is included on the menu, it is anyone's guess.

I did a quick survey of some Smooci girls who now claim to provide GFE, PSE or both earlier today and discovered something very interesting; none of the half dozen or so girls I checked also say they provide GFE, PSE or both on their original escort service website profiles. In fact, none of the escort service websites related to those girls even include the option to check or cite GFE or PSE. Which, from what I recall, is not the way things were in the fairly recent past, like within the past 2-3 years. It seems to me almost all of the popular Bangkok escort services used to include the terms GFE and/or PSE in their check list of services offered and almost all of the girls on those websites claimed they provided one or both of them. Does anyone else remember that or am I mis-remembering it?

The way it relates to your post here, LA Guy 5, and why I am replying to it this way is because I am wondering if it is now more accepted than it generally has been over the past 20 years or so that GFE and/or PSE are, indeed, more likely as not "code" for BBFS being on the table and up for negotiation. I mean, there must be a reason all those escort services dropped those terms from the girls' offerings and why so few of their girls on Smooci have so far included the terms in their profiles. Is it because all too often when customers saw GFE or PSE, they hit up every girl claiming it for BBFS and the girls just got tired of the arguments that ensued? When you filter out for each term on Smooci, the number of girls claiming they offer them is reduced quite dramatically, by 50% or more for GFE and by around 70% for PSE. That just doesn't sound right if most of the girls think (and believe the customers think) it only means either being a bit more affectionate and sweet or less connected and driven than many customers typically experience with a Thai P4P girl. But it does make sense if the girls think (and believe most customers would think) it has something to do with adding a service as substantially more involved as putting BBFS on the table for negotiation.

Just my humble opinion, of course. Maybe someone in the know about why so many popular Bangkok escort service websites eliminated the terms GFE and PSE from their list of offerings from the girls. I did see a couple of essay type testimonials on those escort websites from customers reporting that they enjoyed a "GFE" with this or that girl. But, as usual, there was no clear description of exactly what that meant to them with regard to being so different from what almost any other Thai P4P experience would provide.

[Franciscass]

I'll post this here as a continuation of a conversation on PSE versus GFE and how they should be listed on an escorts profile.

If the escort lists PSE on her profile I believe it should be broken down further and at a minimum include the specific services I mentioned. There then should be no confusion I. E. A+ is A+, CIM means CIM. What can't be described but is hugely important is attitude, expertise and overall enthusiasm.

On GFE kissing and cuddling can be listed on her profile but the affection that for me is needed for a true GFE is so individually unique to each girl and indeed each situation that it will only be known whether it exists or not after spending time with her. No way of telling from a profile what she considers as a GFE.

So yes as much detailed information as possible should be shown on profiles but other than an actual booking customer reviews are by far the best source of knowing what the service is like and even here these as we all know can be highly subjective.

I don't use escorts but I visit oilies and occasionally soapies. I have my "known quantity" favorites but I like checking new situations. There are duds out there for sure but after some 20 years here I have found lowering your expectations, ordering a beer for both of you, being of good cheer, and respecting the girl almost always makes a for a good time even if sometimes she delivers less than what I may initially have wished for.

[LA Guy 5]

Agreed. Rating system should include customer reviews that cover not only general attitude but specific acts as well. I like the multiple choice system Croc suggests.

I agree with one exception, and that is the inclusion of BBFS. I don't think it is fair to pin down the girls on this owing to the possibility the girl finds the customer has indications of STDs or open sores. In such a case should the girl be penalized if she backs out on doing this? I suppose the inclusion of GFE can serve as a weak indicator of whether BBFS is available. If GFE is not included as one of the services provided, it is pretty sure (but not certain) BBFS is off the menu. OTOH, if GFE is included on the menu, it is anyone's guess.

[EihTooms]

PSE should include A+, BBBJ, CIM multi pops and multi positions delivered with a serious amount of sexual energy. It usually takes some time in the business before a provider reaches this level of expertise consequently is usually found in older working girls. It requires no real connection between the participants just hardcore nonstop physical action.

GFE is of an entirely different nature. Includes uninhibited cuddling and kissing but more importantly there has to have be a sense of affection. It is more an attitude than a particular type of service and works best when both parties are in tune with each other. In my experience this comes from girls who are naturally affectionate and who are intent on making their customers happy and are happy when they are happy. It will be a more relaxed routine with lots of touching and body to body contact.

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Ok. Then is it your suggestion that Smooci put an asterisk next to the terms GFE* and PSE* referencing to definitions of them exactly as you stated it here or were you just sharing with us on this forum your personal opinion for each term?

Of course, any definition conjured up by someone other than the girl herself ought to be prominantly posted in Thai as well as English on Smooci's site to improve the chance of the girls ever being made aware of it too before they claim to provide it, whatever it is determined to be.

[Loose Cannon]

My Bangkok stay was scheduled only for a weekend and I was weighing in the pro / con of taking up the premium subscription. The fact that it only cost $10 for a 3 days account and ability to book 24 hrs ahead made me choose the premium option. I feel it was a good decision as I had dates lined up and was ahead in line to choose my playmate. Reading the reviews especially the recent ones helped me choose better and I have not been disappointed with my choices during the act. Had booked Rain, Milan and Camry and below are my FR.

Rain, - Booked 2 hrs.

Very sweet girl, Curvier (fatter) than the photos available in the site. Arrived on time. Showered up at my room before the act. Undressed and started the session with a low pressure massage / this was followed by a wonderful BBBJ and tonguing my sensitive spots, which got me started. Was worried I would blow up, so started with woman on top for some few minutes and we went to missionary position. I blew my first shot in missionary. Had a shower before the next round. Again a massage and BBBJ to initiate the second round. I normally take very long for the second round, so had her in multiple positions before releasing my second shot 5 minutes before the 2 hour slot. Overall a good experience. Not great in english so conversation was limited to one word / sentence responses.

Milan. Booked 3 hrs.

Arrived half hour later than appointed time and was tired because of party she attended the night before, so she spent next half hour sleeping cuddling me. I had booked 3 hours knowing that I will take longer to release 2nd time, this extra hour was not spent on me. I forced her to wake up and told her to take a shower and get ready for the act, she said she already took shower, I gave her the local red bull to wake her up properly for the act and I started the deed. Good kisser, but not into DFK as she said she has mouth ulcer. This meant I had a covered BJ. Pussy was tight for me and I took more than 45 min for first time with multiple positions. Spent 15 min cuddling and talking general stuff. Her english was good so she is able to give good company. Was a GFE for me. Then I started with the second round, it took for ever and I was no where close to come, so told her to give BJ for 5 min and then HJ until I come while I was sucking her boobs. Boobs had silicon so was bit hard and looked a bit dis proportioned to her body structure. She took a shower before leaving my room. She forced me to rate her 5 star, but I modified the rating with detailed review in smooci after her departure. Felt she is good for a longer and more relaxed booking as she can give good company and maybe likes to cuddle and sleep. If I take out the fact that she came late for the meeting and slept of the first hour of the booking, it was a good session.

Camry. Booked 3 hrs.

I had booked Camry to arrive 4 hrs after my session with Milan, however she arrived half hour before the appointment. She came and changed to the black lingerie in her profile, which was a turn on for me. She started by giving me a good massage and followed it by a great BBBJ. Once I got ready, had her in multiple positions. Because of my recent session few hours ago I still had not come by end of 1 hour, so I told her to give me BBBJ until I come. She restarted the BBBJ and relentlessly for the next 20 min worked her jaws off. It was a CIM when I finally released. Both of us were tired with this effort and so took a small break. Then she again gave me a massage and asked whether I want to continue for the second round. By this time I did not have any energy and saw that she was also tired, so I told her to just lie down on me so that I can play with her body. This was the best session among all for me. She was also eager to please my body needs and can be a great companion too. I will definitely book her again if I visit Bangkok with a longer booking or take her along with me as a companion.

LC.

P.S. : this is a 2 month old FR. Was busy and could not find time to report.

[Loose Cannon]

At smooci.

I booked a girl few hours back to my hotel, after the session, I had rated and written a review about her.

I know that if you rated, your name will not be visible, but I am concerned if my name would be visible in the review session.

Could you please clarify?

Don't worry. Name does not get displayed in smooci site. It just mentions the month you gave the review.

LC.

[Zam007]

At smooci.

I booked a girl few hours back to my hotel, after the session, I had rated and written a review about her.

I know that if you rated, your name will not be visible, but I am concerned if my name would be visible in the review session.

Could you please clarify?

[Goatscrot]

You raise interesting points. The girl "yes" directly to the customer (to a question like "do you do anal? Is worth way more than general statements like "all girls in the shop do A+" or "I do everything", and these are worth more than checking some box when signing up for a website.

The only reliable way to know what girls do and what they don't is to ask customers. There should be 3 choices (a) yes; (b) no, she refused; (c) no, I did not ask for it.

I wouldn't even bother with vague terms like GFE and PSE, but simple acts like BBBJ / CBJ, CIM, DATY, DFK, A+, BBFS / CFS.

Agreed. Rating system should include customer reviews that cover not only general attitude but specific acts as well. I like the multiple choice system Croc suggests.

[Crocodilexp]

If girls are making that latter claim anywhere, on the street, in a go-go bar, a beer bar, outside a massage shop or on an escort service-related website in order to close a deal and convince a customer to "book" her, then she ought to be taken at her word and reap the rewards of actually delivering or the penalties of not delivering on them via an after-the-fact report. This is where that can finally happen.

You raise interesting points. The girl "yes" directly to the customer (to a question like "do you do anal? Is worth way more than general statements like "all girls in the shop do A+" or "I do everything", and these are worth more than checking some box when signing up for a website.

The only reliable way to know what girls do and what they don't is to ask customers. There should be 3 choices (a) yes; (b) no, she refused; (c) no, I did not ask for it.

I wouldn't even bother with vague terms like GFE and PSE, but simple acts like BBBJ / CBJ, CIM, DATY, DFK, A+, BBFS / CFS.

[Franciscass]

Not sure asking the companions would give you the result you'd like. I'd imagine it might be more of the same rote BS that appears in the write-up on their agency page.

I have an idea. Since they are both subjective instead of asking the companions to write something, why not provide an optional query to the customer? It could be very simple, right below the 1 to 5 rating selection there is a "would you rate this experience as GFE? Yes / No", and ditto for PSE. Certain percentage of yes votes triggers the GFE / PSE to be automatically added to list of services.

The YMMV would still apply. Seeing GFE as a service in this case would not guarantee it but would suggest its highly probable. In my (perhaps) relatively limited experience with P4P girls I would say its largely up to you anyway. You can either help foster a GFE atmosphere / situation or you can kill it. PSE is even more subjective I think. What kind of porn do you watch? What are your fantasies? I create a PSE type situation with my P4P companions because that's what I prefer to GFE but then my idea of PSE could be considerably different than yours.

PSE should include A+, BBBJ, CIM multi pops and multi positions delivered with a serious amount of sexual energy. It usually takes some time in the business before a provider reaches this level of expertise consequently is usually found in older working girls. It requires no real connection between the participants just hardcore nonstop physical action.

GFE is of an entirely different nature. Includes uninhibited cuddling and kissing but more importantly there has to have be a sense of affection. It is more an attitude than a particular type of service and works best when both parties are in tune with each other. In my experience this comes from girls who are naturally affectionate and who are intent on making their customers happy and are happy when they are happy. It will be a more relaxed routine with lots of touching and body to body contact.

Conversely to the PSE where the best providers are older in my experience it is with the younger newer girls that you will find the best GFE. Unfortunately they are usually quickly scooped up as girlfriends or mia noi's usually by Koreans or Japanese.

[EihTooms]

Not sure asking the companions would give you the result you'd like. I'd imagine it might be more of the same rote BS that appears in the write-up on their agency page.

I have an idea. Since they are both subjective instead of asking the companions to write something, why not provide an optional query to the customer? It could be very simple, right below the 1 to 5 rating selection there is a "would you rate this experience as GFE? Yes / No", and ditto for PSE. Certain percentage of yes votes triggers the GFE / PSE to be automatically added to list of services.

The YMMV would still apply. Seeing GFE as a service in this case would not guarantee it but would suggest its highly probable. In my (perhaps) relatively limited experience with P4P girls I would say its largely up to you anyway. You can either help foster a GFE atmosphere / situation or you can kill it. PSE is even more subjective I think. What kind of porn do you watch? What are your fantasies? I create a PSE type situation with my P4P companions because that's what I prefer to GFE but then my idea of PSE could be considerably different than yours.

I am all for customer reported after-the-fact check boxes for each of the services claimed on their profiles, essentially what Crocodilexp has suggested; Did she provide the CIM you requested? Did she provide the DFK you requested? And so on. Why confine it to just those two services, GFE and PSE?

In fact, that is what I had hoped the Star Ratings would be more specifically all about rather than the predictably vague "Overall Experience" bit. But that was an expressed hope for which there was mighty push-back on all sides and so it never happened. Not sure how an after-the-fact check box for just those two highly subjective and, therefore, potentially largely misleading services, GFE and PSE, would make them less highly subjective and, therefore, potentially largely misleading for the next guy considering booking her though.

I agree that a lot of what the girl might say if my concept is employed would be BS. But, again, that is where penalizing or rewarding them via the Star Rating system is theoretically supposed to come in, right? If the girl says nothing more than, "I am a sweet, affectionate girl who likes to smile" under her claim to provide a GFE, then that ought to help her earn a big 5 Star Rating from the guys who think that is primarily what a GFE is all about. On the other hand, if she says, "I do everything. Up to you," under her claim to provide a PSE, the kind of reply most of us have heard a million times from P4P girls in every conceivable venue trying to entice us to agree to book her and close the deal, then she'd better really mean what she says or risk getting the lowest Star Rating on her profile, right?

The way it is generally done and done on Smooci right now allows her to check the GFE and PSE box and not be held accountable for anything as long as those terms are defined solely by whatever unexpressed thing she thinks they mean. Having a customer tell me she did it based on what HE thinks it means really tells me nothing and still doesn't hold her accountable for the claim.

If girls are making that latter claim anywhere, on the street, in a go-go bar, a beer bar, outside a massage shop or on an escort service-related website in order to close a deal and convince a customer to "book" her, then she ought to be taken at her word and reap the rewards of actually delivering or the penalties of not delivering on them via an after-the-fact report. This is where that can finally happen.

Of course, we need to at least agree that an "I do everything. Up to you" claim must be confined to acts of a sexual nature. I mean, I wouldn't give her a 1 Star Rating because I asked her to paint my apartment and rotate the tires on my mini-van but, darn it, she refused.

I agree with you that we can do much to foster either a GFE or a PSE, whatever each one means to us individually, after the girl arrives. In fact, I would argue that those terms are so subjective and vague that, unless the girl behaves entirely like a mechanical robot throughout the session, it WILL be perceived as either more "romantic and intimate" or "wild and passionate" anyway. But that doesn't really address the dynamic where an escort customer would truly like to know what in the world she is claiming here while a major trade-off for not meeting or seeing the girl in the flesh first before booking is to know more specifically, in writing, what the girl will actually do for him during the session.

After all, some of us might book a girl who does not list CIM on her profile but by the end of our first session with her she has done that very thing and even more than that for us merely because we fostered the environment to make it happen. But that isn't what this kind of arrangement ought to rely on imo.

[Jaaxie]

Since they are really the only two highly subjective terms that I have seen on these kinds of lists, why not ask each girl who wants those terms put on her profile to add a few words or comments about what she means by it. ....

Not sure asking the companions would give you the result you'd like. I'd imagine it might be more of the same rote BS that appears in the write-up on their agency page.

I have an idea. Since they are both subjective instead of asking the companions to write something, why not provide an optional query to the customer? It could be very simple, right below the 1 to 5 rating selection there is a "would you rate this experience as GFE? Yes / No", and ditto for PSE. Certain percentage of yes votes triggers the GFE / PSE to be automatically added to list of services.

The YMMV would still apply. Seeing GFE as a service in this case would not guarantee it but would suggest its highly probable. In my (perhaps) relatively limited experience with P4P girls I would say its largely up to you anyway. You can either help foster a GFE atmosphere / situation or you can kill it. PSE is even more subjective I think. What kind of porn do you watch? What are your fantasies? I create a PSE type situation with my P4P companions because that's what I prefer to GFE but then my idea of PSE could be considerably different than yours.