Smooci Advertiser Thread

[EihTooms]

ET,

I read the rating guidelines, and found nothing really unusual or surprising in there. I think I could have given a girl a fair rating without having read the guidelines. So I don't quite understand why you think guys will rate so wrongly, as yet.

Essentially it comes out something like:

1. Very disappointing, well below average expectation considering money spent. Should not be an escort at all.

2. A little disappointing or a below average expectation, not recommended.

3. Average, acceptable, middle of the road (probably no repeat). Likely to be okay For others. Qualified recommendation.

4. Generally very happy, above average, and could do it again. Recommended.

5. Amazing, exceptional, fantastic time. Well above expectations. Could not find any faults of significance. Highly recommended (if willing to share).

Obviously there are all types of criteria, beauty, figure, personality natural or fake, sweet or aggressive, GFE, pornstar or not.

There are no separate ratings for each category, so we have to roll them all in together.

If I was rating a girl, I would therefore mark her out of 5 in several categories and average them.

If a girl looked nothing like her pics, bait and switch, I would not even accept her from the start (unless she was too pretty to resist). LOL. So that could be an automatic 1.

One guy's 1 is another guy's 5, due to some guys rating pornstar performance others rating other aspects. Would be nice if each rating had a short text to indicate reason for the rating being so high or so low. That is if ratings are ever shown individually.

We know there are pessimists and optimists out there. Optimists will give 5's too easily and pessimists will give 1's too easily. I am probably on the optimists side and very willing to give a girl a fair go, if she has the looks to excite me at all, if she is sweet and has a good attitude.

Perhaps Smooci could ignore guys that rate every girl far below the average rating or every girl far above the average rating, as being guys whose opinions are obviously too warped. You want voters that have different opinions of different girls, ideally, or at least seem to be fair with ratings.

I mean if a guy booked 10 girls and gave them all a 1, you have to think he is a nut case. Who in their right mind would keep booking such pathetic girls not worth the money? LOL. I exaggerate a bit, just to make a point.

If a guy books 10 different girls, gives them all a 5 when their average ratings vary wildly from that, he could be written off as a super suck, too.

That's good for you, Syzygies. And if I were to see your rating of a particular girl, I would know what your criteria were. If I were to read the SmoociApp management's rating of a particular girl, I would know what his rating criteria were. But without making sure the next guy rating a girl has at least SEEN the criteria set up and spelled out quite nicely by the owners of smooci.com, I might as well assume the previous customers gave the girl I am thinking of choosing a high rating because she reminded them of their Aunt Tilly. And they always had the hots for their Aunt Tilly. So that means zero to me or anyone else.

Yes, I realize each guy is going to decide whether he wants to follow the guidelines set up on that very site or not. But not making it abundantly apparent that there ARE any criteria that some if not many of the potential customers who have read those criteria have every reason to assume those Star ratings represent renders the Star system mostly meaningless. Those 5 guidelines spelled out by smooci's management should be on the email that asks the customer to rate the girl the same as they are on the website behind the blog button. No reason I can think of not to do it, unless the management has a very practical one I haven't considered.

Frankly, Syzy, the reason you gave, that there is "nothing really unusual or surprising in there" TO YOU would be one of the weakest reasons not to put it there. It does not need to be there in order to "surprise" anyone. Only to help promote some level of consistency and a reference point. The reason, I assume, the management took the time to write it and post it on his blog in the first place.

Here is what happened when my friend gave smooci a try the other day; the girl was mostly what her pic represented and he indeed did engage in FS with her. But when he moved in for a bit of DFK as her profile said she would engage in, it was no go. She would not even open her tightly pursed lips a fraction of an inch. Otherwise, it was also nothing worth repeating. On her way out, she turned and pleaded with him, "You give a '5', yes? I want a 5!" She was talking about the rating system, not a 500 baht tip.

LOL. Shrewdly, and very tellingly, imo, she didn't bring up her great desire to be awarded a '5' at the START of the session where it might have prompted him to say something like, "No problem, sweetheart, just do what you said you would on your profile and I'll give you that '5'. " No, she brought it up on the way OUT. Obviously hoping to play on his natural sympathies and also assuming he hadn't and wouldn't read the criteria on the website before rating her. And what did he do? He gave her a 4!

I told him about the written Star Rating Guidelines on the website, which he had no idea even existed, and he said if he had looked at those guidelines right before submitting a rating there is no way he would have given her a 4 rating. It would have been a 3, at most. He said he gave her a 4 because he thought she was cute, he was rating her LOOKS. In fact, he thought those "hearts" on the rating page instead of the expected "stars" might have been about rating her looks, whether he was attracted to her or something, not about whether or not she delivered as promised. He thought perhaps a star rating option for something else would come up after that.

The only other reason he gave her as much as a 4 rating was because she asked him for a high rating and, this is another point the smooci management ought to clarify, because he thought she might KNOW who gave her what kind of rating and he didn't want to hurt her feelings by giving her too much less than what she asked for. If the girl will never know who gave her what rating, the management at smooci ought to make that clear at rating time, too.

[Syzygies]

ET,

I read the rating guidelines, and found nothing really unusual or surprising in there. I think I could have given a girl a fair rating without having read the guidelines. So I don't quite understand why you think guys will rate so wrongly, as yet.

Essentially it comes out something like:

1. Very disappointing, well below average expectation considering money spent. Should not be an escort at all.

2. A little disappointing or a below average expectation, not recommended.

3. Average, acceptable, middle of the road (probably no repeat). Likely to be okay For others. Qualified recommendation.

4. Generally very happy, above average, and could do it again. Recommended.

5. Amazing, exceptional, fantastic time. Well above expectations. Could not find any faults of significance. Highly recommended (if willing to share).

Obviously there are all types of criteria, beauty, figure, personality natural or fake, sweet or aggressive, GFE, pornstar or not.

There are no separate ratings for each category, so we have to roll them all in together.

If I was rating a girl, I would therefore mark her out of 5 in several categories and average them.

If a girl looked nothing like her pics, bait and switch, I would not even accept her from the start (unless she was too pretty to resist). LOL. So that could be an automatic 1.

One guy's 1 is another guy's 5, due to some guys rating pornstar performance others rating other aspects. Would be nice if each rating had a short text to indicate reason for the rating being so high or so low. That is if ratings are ever shown individually.

We know there are pessimists and optimists out there. Optimists will give 5's too easily and pessimists will give 1's too easily. I am probably on the optimists side and very willing to give a girl a fair go, if she has the looks to excite me at all, if she is sweet and has a good attitude.

Perhaps Smooci could ignore guys that rate every girl far below the average rating or every girl far above the average rating, as being guys whose opinions are obviously too warped. You want voters that have different opinions of different girls, ideally, or at least seem to be fair with ratings.

I mean if a guy booked 10 girls and gave them all a 1, you have to think he is a nut case. Who in their right mind would keep booking such pathetic girls not worth the money? LOL. I exaggerate a bit, just to make a point.

If a guy books 10 different girls, gives them all a 5 when their average ratings vary wildly from that, he could be written off as a super suck, too.

[EihTooms]

SmoociApp, congratulations on the terrific article about your service on this week's Stickman Bangkok Weekly! He makes as good a case as I have ever read for the value to the customers and the girls of your Star Rating Guide. And he accurately points out there isn't anything comparable to it in Bangkok.

However, I have discovered that the follow-up email to the customer asking if he would like to rate the girl and his experience with her does not include a recap of the very useful Star Rating Guidelines you spelled out so well in the blog section of your site's homepage. Wouldn't that be a perfect place for you to include those Guidelines, every word of them, right on that email where you are asking the customer to rate the girl / experience? As it is now, the customer is only taken to a page with five "hearts" (not "stars") on which to choose his rating of the girl. My guess is the vast majority of customers would have no idea your Star Rating Guidelines even exist, have never read them and don't even know where to find them on your site. Consequently, as far as I know, virtually none of the ratings the girls have earned up to now coincide with or represent in any way what you have established and suggested the next customer might assume they represent.

Maybe you have practical reasons for not including your Star Rating Guidelines in that follow-up email. If not, is there any chance you might start including those Guidelines on the follow-up email asking the customer for a rating so he will at least have a shot at providing some objective evaluation of the girl's actual performance for the next customer to know about rather than his purely subjective overall impression of her?

[SmoociApp]

SmoociApp, are there any plans to allow potential customers browsing your site to filter out profiles based on services the girls offer?

No solid plans yet, but it's definitely something we are considering and we've had other feedback asking for a service filter to be introduced.

At the moment there's a lot going on behind the scenes and we are incredibly busy. We never really had our official launch and things grew very quickly over the last 2 months. At the moment we are trying to keep things as simple and smooth as possible, but once we are in full swing we will certainly be looking to develop the features (while trying to maintain the ease and simplicity of the booking experience).

Regarding the ratings system:

We are trying to set our standards high and encourage users to do the same. Creating high service standards and encouraging companions to be more conscious of their reputation (and rewarding those who offer genuinely good service), is a big part of our goals for smooci. For us, a 5 star is an exceptional experience and one you would highly recommend, while a 1 is a very negative experience and one you want to warn everyone about.

Being able to rate your experience in this field and actually influence the scene in a positive way is something quite new to a lot of users, so we thought it's important to have some guidelines to keep everyone working to the same scale. At the moment we've seen a lot of 5 and 1 ratings, but as people get more familiar with the ability to rate and it's overall importance to the grander scheme of things, I'm sure a lot of these 5's and 1's will become 4's and 2's, saving the highest and lowest ratings for more exceptional experiences, creating a more reliable rating system.

If anyone would like to look at our suggested ratings you can find it here in our blog - http://blog.smooci.com/post/star-rating-guide.

[EihTooms]

SmoociApp, are there any plans to allow potential customers browsing your site to filter out profiles based on services the girls offer? I think that would be very useful. Personally, I would not be the least bit interested in choosing a girl who does not offer, for example, DFK or BBBJ+CIM and find it annoying to have to scroll down through a dozen or more girls' profiles to weed out those who do not.

Also, I see on your site's blog that you have now included some guidelines for what kind of experiences might deserve a particular rating. I think that is a good idea. Sure, it might still evolve over time. But for now it offers at least a starting point for what the star ratings are all about, what in your opinion deserves a 4 or 5 star rating and what does not, and what a customer looking to book an escort through your site might reasonably expect based on those ratings.

I also appreciate that your standards as expressed in those guidelines are fairly high in order for a girl to earn a 4 or 5 star rating. I'm with you on that! I doubt I would consider choosing an escort with less than an overall 4 star rating no matter how hot she looks in her pics.

[SmoociApp]

Re: photoshopping

We certainly share your concerns over the photoshopping, one of the original motivations behind the Smooci project was to improve the standards and create a level playing field for all agencies and independents, and verifying photos / photo standards is an important part of that in our long term goals.

Again, please understand that this is an industry wide problem and something that we have seen with just about every agency we have been in contact with, in Bangkok and beyond. While we haven't been able to check and vet individual photos, we have checked the reputation and standards of all the agencies we have accepted so far (and have rejected some which we felt weren't up to standard).

In the past photoshopping has seen as being acceptable and 'the norm', but we hope to change that.

Re: ratings and reviews.

We received feedback from two users who had made bookings and had been asked to give their companion a rating while still in their presence, and in both cases they said they felt somewhat pressured to give a very good rating. While this was a bit unexpected it at least shows us that the companions are aware of the rating system, its importance, and the need to maintain good service.

In both cases we allowed the users to edit their ratings and gave warnings to the companions. We have now changed the system so that users have 7 days to submit their rating and review, and a further 4 hours to edit their rating after original submission.

[Syzygies]

I think if you want to talk about all time "Best Photoshopped" Pic, the title will go to "Grace" The tall and saggy boobs Grace. She is in all sites possible I guess. Should see her pics and her person in real. LOLx.

Yes we got warned about Grace / Sanya some time back (Aug 2015). Would be nice to see a real pic though. LOL. Could be she was really hot when a lot younger? I have seen various pics of her and sometimes was very hard to believe it was the same girl.

Listed in different names.
http://www.luxuryhotgirl.com/index.php/sanya
Very saggy boobs, should be more than 31, not worth the money.

My GF is late 30s, has a child, and yet still has a great body very little sag. Maybe did not breast feed much. I wonder why some are fortunate and not others.

Grace pictured, not my GF. Based on this pic, I would pass. I don't know how realistic it is. Other much younger pics exist (less real).

For escort level money, an 18 YO like Bam would be a better possibility for me, and I was considering her:
http://www.escortdirectory.com/escort/Bam-42481/

Then again I found another website that made me change my mind (bad nose job):
https://bangkok.escortsdot.com/bam Why the fuck, did she do it? Looks great in the first web site. Pics adjusted maybe? or maybe she looked a lot better before surgeries.

Looking at pics is all too risky. Are there actually any really pretty escorts out there at all? The whole scene is depressing for me. How to find really beautiful girls to my spec without surgeries, so that I would not mind paying more? Probably an impossible task. Even the famous Faline looked a bit pudgy for me in Stickman's column.

[Tiandihui]

Never seen such an obvious photoshopping as in the case of Fujis pics.

Look at the stones, kind of funny shaped.

I think if you want to talk about all time "Best Photoshopped" Pic, the title will go to "Grace" The tall and saggy boobs Grace. She is in all sites possible I guess. Should see her pics and her person in real. LOLx.

[Syzygies]

Never seen such an obvious photoshopping as in the case of Fujis pics.

Look at the stones, kind of funny shaped.

Ha Ha. Yes Educational. Her feet look very big compared to her waist.

[Tummen]

Never seen such an obvious photoshopping as in the case of Fujis pics.

Look at the stones, kind of funny shaped.

[Crocodilexp]

The customer ratings system should also be useful when choosing an escort and be a measure of accuracy of photos as well as service.

Service quality and photo accuracy are entirely separate issue.

I would never give a poor rating to a girl who provided great service if her photos were inaccurate (though I may well have refused her at the door). Equally, I'd not rate a girl higher with accurate photos but poor service. I guess if she had both fake photos and horrible service, it would be a hearty one star, but that's just one case where the two ratings coincide.

Would be nice to have a bit more info than a single star rating, perhaps space for a short review/comment.

[SmoociApp]

Services provided

As someone already kindly pointed out, you will find a list of services a companion provides on their profile. We aim to keep the platform as clean and simple as possible.

Ratings

The rating of an escort will only be displayed once a minimum number of 3 respondents is achieved. The escort will then have a star rating based on these scores. Over time we will be adjusting the algorithm to better reflect the quality of service the escort provides and as our data set increases.

Photo accuracy

With regards to comments about photo accuracy, I think these comments are more a response to the Escort industry as a whole and not a result of smooci (also an issue found in online dating and hookup sites). We currently check the reputation and performance of all agencies before we accept them on to our platform. We do intent in the future to implement a better system to verify photos the companions use.

The customer ratings system should also be useful when choosing an escort and be a measure of accuracy of photos as well as service.

This is an industry wide problem and one which we intend to address. It is hard to solve quickly, however, we will do our best to introduce some photo verification and attempt to tackle the issue.

[Member #4591]

To me "cute" does not go with "average". So which is it? Have you actually tried her or met her? I have not met her myself. Average in Snow White is certainly not going to be called cute. Even average outside SW is not very special.

Smooci a mecca for hot quality? I hardly think so. A really mixed bag of good and poor is much more likely. I don't see there is any standard girls have to reach to be on Smooci.

No need to clutter this thread with discussions about an MP girl. I've bumped it over to the proper thread. Hope that's ok!

[Syzygies]

Pudgy faced, fake tits, average looking. Sure she's cute and performs well, but if she is the supposed gold standard I feel sorry for you guys who think so. As the world economies begin to tank smooci will become a mecca for hot quality.

To me "cute" does not go with "average". So which is it? Have you actually tried her or met her? I have not met her myself. Average in Snow White is certainly not going to be called cute. Even average outside SW is not very special.

Smooci a mecca for hot quality? I hardly think so. A really mixed bag of good and poor is much more likely. I don't see there is any standard girls have to reach to be on Smooci.

[Member #4591]

I've been browsing Smooci regularly for the past week and even taking into consideration the photoshop factor I'm seeing quite a few ladies that look more than just "OK" personally I am willing to spend more $ once for an extraordinary experience, which for me is somewhat edgy stunning Thai beauty combined with a full array of enthusiastic services offered, rather than hit a well known PSE oily twice. For me, a married guy who won't have this option (a few days alone in BKK) more than a few times the rest of my life.

I completely agree with you on that point. If you want something, go big and get exactly what you want.