Medellin Chit Chat Thread

[Mongerer88]

They don't need English. All their business is conducted in Spanish. In fact my colleagues in Spanish speaking LATAM learn Portuguese as a higher priority than English because they do more business in Brazil. My Brazilian colleagues tend to study Italian and Spanish as well. I've only met one Colombian who spoke French and that's because he comes from a wealthy family and was sent abroad to study. He speaks Spanish and French (not English).

Also how does speaking English raise incomes? I mean other than working in the tourist industries I don't see it being very important. Multinationals who hire locals in LATAM don't necessarily pay them higher wages. They look at what the market pays and maybe pay a little more to attract better talent but that's about it. Unlike what some mongers do (paying $200 USD for short time with a chica), foreign investment in LATAM isn't looking to pay European or North American wages in LATAM countries.

I was under the impression that if a person has a product or service to sell, and he or she can produce that product at a low cost, he would seek out the customers with the most cash to sell the product or service to them at the highest price. If the majority of those potential customers who are flush with cash primarily speak English, I would think the seller of the product or service would want to speak English to communicate with them to let them know the product or service exists, and to be able to close the deal.

Maybe I am wrong, but I am guessing the actual Pablo Escobar and the actual version of the mythical Juan Valdez spoke English.

[Mongerer88]

Your ignorance is unbelievable, and is part of the problem...

Thank you. Very kind of you.

To the best of my knowledge, educational materials for an second language are relatively inexpensive, and most ladies in South America seem to have cell phones, and apps are certainly available to help with languages, both in learning them and in translating.

You seem to advocate for American men, most of whom have good paying jobs and relatively little free time, to learn Spanish. While I agree that learning Spanish will allow an American John to have a better time in Central and South America, I make the presumption that ladies in South America are as intelligent as I am, and frankly they may have more free time than I do. So I don't think it is unrealistic to expect that they might learn a bit of English, especially if they are proposing a transaction where they want to sell something to English speakers in exchange for cash.

Now over time, as the levels of income and wealth equalize, non-Spanish speakers would have more incentive to learn more Spanish.

I notice that ladies in South America who do speak fluent English tend to get much higher rates per hour. While one is at the extreme in rates, there is an independent in Buenos Aires who seems to be getting a lot of business for herself and her friends by being able to communicate efficiently in English.

This principle is not limited to South America. In Lisbon, my favorite escort group is about 50 euros per hour more expensive than most of the local independent escorts. Some of this is the outcall transportation charge, but some of it is the convenience charge for communicating in English, and for having a group of ladies who speak English and can make the hour more enjoyable to customers. The local Lisbon escorts who speak fluent English do often charge more per hour than the local independent escorts who do not, and are more likely to advertise on sites catering to English speakers.

All I was saying was that escorts who learn English can likely earn more than those who don't. So they should be economically incentivized to learn English.

And I see economic incentives for American guys to learn Spanish. Many of the johns on ISG who get the best rate per hour in places like Medellin do in fact speak fluent Spanish and are at an enormous competitive economic advantage over those who don't. All I was saying us that it seems to me that more ladies in Central and South America would recognize this economic principle and raise their overall income by making an effort to learn more English and seek out more English-speaking customers.

I would respect any provider who does that, and I don't think the lack of prior education should be that much of a detriment. But maybe I am wrong, having received a good education. That would tend to decrease the competitive economic advantage that Spanish speaking johns have over non-Spanish speaking johns, which might tend to irritate the former. Perhaps that explains the hostility some of the guys on ISG have for The Mansion, since it caters to non-Soanish speaking johns?

[YippieKayay]

I can't figure out why South America is so far behind Europe in English, given the proximity of South America to the United States and the importance of the trade relationship. Wouldn't an emphasis on English raise incomes throughout South America, including those of sex workers? Why the lack of English in South America?

They don't need English. All their business is conducted in Spanish. In fact my colleagues in Spanish speaking LATAM learn Portuguese as a higher priority than English because they do more business in Brazil. My Brazilian colleagues tend to study Italian and Spanish as well. I've only met one Colombian who spoke French and that's because he comes from a wealthy family and was sent abroad to study. He speaks Spanish and French (not English).

Also how does speaking English raise incomes? I mean other than working in the tourist industries I don't see it being very important. Multinationals who hire locals in LATAM don't necessarily pay them higher wages. They look at what the market pays and maybe pay a little more to attract better talent but that's about it. Unlike what some mongers do (paying $200 USD for short time with a chica), foreign investment in LATAM isn't looking to pay European or North American wages in LATAM countries.

[Dickhead]

Okay Dickhead, I will bite on this discussion. Here are two links I posted in the Valencia, Spain section.

https://hbr.org/2013/11/countries-wi...tter-economies

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-085927-3579r/

I was very hopeful that the desosvalencia operation, which posted a notification on ISG of its grand opening, would make an effort to service non-Spanish speakers like their sister operation desosbarcelona does. All a person has to do to make an appointment with desosbarcelona is to compose a message in English on one side of Google Translate, translate it to Spanish (or Catalan if you think you might be dealing with a rebel), copy and paste it into whatsapp, and send it. Sometimes the message comes back in Spanish, and you reverse the process, sometimes it comes back as a whatsapp voice message in English from a sexy sounding lady. But at the Valencia location, so far, they don't have whatsapp, they ignore translated SMS messages, and they politely say they don't speak English when someone calls.

Most all Madrid brothels and independents either speak English or use the above-described translation system either via Whatsapp or email. But there is one specialty place I wanted to go in Madrid where they just have a landline and they speak no English. They post their exact address and door code on the Spalumi message board and invite walk-ins, and when I called I could tell the madam really wanted me to come over, but her spoken English was as bad as my spoken Spanish. So I just went someplace easier.

So I am less likely to go to Valencia in comparison to Barcelona, and I am less likely to go to that particular "non-English friendly" Madrid place in comparison to other Madrid places.

I have been to two countries in South America and I had a much more difficult time getting around in comparison to Europe, including when it comes to mongering. If it hadn't been for Laura's wonderful translation service for john's in Buenos Aires, I would have been completely lost. So I am relatively more likely to go to Europe than to South America. I was supposed to stay at the Mansion once, but I had to cancel the trip due to a flight schedule change. But if I go to Medellin, I would definitely stay at the Mansion due to my lack of Spanish.

So here is my question as it relates to the links I posted. Given the relative proprtion of overall worldwide income and wealth amongst English speaking men, wouldn't it make more sense for South American providers to greatly step-up their game with technology to translate to and from English, and step-up their game with respect to speaking English in general?

It is automatic in the hospitality industry that English will be spoken, because the hospitality industry knows that their ideal customer base speaks English. If you were a hot, young female sex worker, wouldn't it make the most sense to work on English skills, and technological abilities to attract the customers with the most wealth. The English speakers?

I can't figure out why South America is so far behind Europe in English, given the proximity of South America to the United States and the importance of the trade relationship. Wouldn't an emphasis on English raise incomes throughout South America, including those of sex workers? Why the lack of English in South America?

Because of the vestiges of colonialism. South Americans have poorer educational opportunities and live in more economically disadvantaged conditions. The per capita incomes in LatAm are 1/5 that of Spain. Your ignorance is unbelievable, and is part of the problem. Europeans get free public education. Latin America remains 20-30% illiterate because if your parents can't pay for your education you don't get any. Understand?

[BayBoy]

More on this CIA Factbook. The CIA has had a despicable record when it comes to Central and South America and the Caribbean. From overthrowing countries, to suppressing progressive / liberal / socialist movements and politicians. But that being said, there's no reason for them to jimmy the racial / ethnic people mix of a country. Even though when it comes out with 84% of the population of Colombia is Mestizo and white. That's a wide berth and they don't have very accurate statistics for those 2 groups; could have wide variance with the numbers.

[JjBee62]

Regarding the discussion about learning languages that is taking place in the Med forum, Knowledge posted:

'Starting younger makes it easier. Of course, we no longer have that option. My advice to make maximum progress in the shortest amount of time is to focus on the spoken language and leave reading and writing for last. Another helpful tactic is watch lots of television and film, preferably without subtitles. Even with subtitles TV and film are helpful because you learn vocabulary as you see people acting out and reacting to the spoken dialogue. It also helps improve pronunciation and comprehension. It takes a bit of discipline because the path of least resistance is to go back to what's familiar, but that only interferes with learning.

The written language, reading and writing, is not as useful for our purposes as the spoken language. In fact, unless you need it for work, you will find not being able to read or write to be only a minor inconvenience. In less developed countries, large segments of the population are illiterate. '.

I agree that speaking is the most important. I agree that TV and film are useful tools. I would add that watching soap operas, while painful at times, is good because the plots are so obvious, even if you miss the meaning of a few sentences, you don't get lost overall and later you figure out what they must have said. Listening to Spanish language radio in your car helps too. Those fuckers talk really fast so just let it wash over you for the most part, but it will sin.

There are 4 parts to learning a new language, in order of difficulty: reading, speaking, writing and hearing.

Hearing is most difficult because most people speak rapidly and informally. Spoken language is full of colloquialisms and cliches. Especially in English, it's often full of grammatical errors. Reading is easiest because any unknown word is right where you can look it up and the meaning of many words can be inferred contextually.

Speaking correctly, not only with correct pronunciation, but also with the correct rhythm takes a lot of time and practice. However, unlike hearing, you control the tempo and vocabulary. Making yourself understood is easier than understanding others.

The difficulty with writing is that written language needs to follow all the rules. Mastering the written language is easier than mastering the spoken language, but for a beginner the ñ (tilde in English) and ' (tilde in Spanish) can be confusing.

Neglecting reading and writing will slow down the learning process. Reading helps to build your vocabulary in a controlled environment. It also helps stress correct structure and grammar. Writing helps to organize your thoughts and helps you to avoid mistakes like confusing ano and año, cono and coño.

Work on all 4. Since hearing is the hardest and most important, more effort should be put there, with less effort towards writing.

[Richmond72]

I have seen this phenomena several times, most recently from a chica from CR & another Paisa who is currently on a world wind tour of Europe (5 or 6 countries in the last 2 weeks or so. My thoughts are they don't want the other gringo fb friends unfriending them because they have a bunch of pics with their current sponsor. They seem to want to put up a facade of traveling alone so as not to miss out on a future opportunity. Anyway, I guess to some extent we all do that. Whatever, just rent, don't buy because someone else will eventually outbid you.

El Mechanico.

I don't get it. Do you guys WANT to be plastered all over a work girl's timeline? Not me. I'd rather stay under the radar. Why bring attention to yourself like that?

And if I see pics of any of the girls on my Medellin FB outside of Colombia, it's almost certain they're with a client.

The girls I find weird are the ones who post pics of their Colombian BF all over their timeline with lovey dovey messages to each other. I like to avoid drama and prefer the more discreet ones who keep their private and working lives separate.

[Mongerer88]

Okay Dickhead, I will bite on this discussion. Here are two links I posted in the Valencia, Spain section.

https://hbr.org/2013/11/countries-wi...tter-economies

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-085927-3579r/

I was very hopeful that the desosvalencia operation, which posted a notification on ISG of its grand opening, would make an effort to service non-Spanish speakers like their sister operation desosbarcelona does. All a person has to do to make an appointment with desosbarcelona is to compose a message in English on one side of Google Translate, translate it to Spanish (or Catalan if you think you might be dealing with a rebel), copy and paste it into whatsapp, and send it. Sometimes the message comes back in Spanish, and you reverse the process, sometimes it comes back as a whatsapp voice message in English from a sexy sounding lady. But at the Valencia location, so far, they don't have whatsapp, they ignore translated SMS messages, and they politely say they don't speak English when someone calls.

Most all Madrid brothels and independents either speak English or use the above-described translation system either via Whatsapp or email. But there is one specialty place I wanted to go in Madrid where they just have a landline and they speak no English. They post their exact address and door code on the Spalumi message board and invite walk-ins, and when I called I could tell the madam really wanted me to come over, but her spoken English was as bad as my spoken Spanish. So I just went someplace easier.

So I am less likely to go to Valencia in comparison to Barcelona, and I am less likely to go to that particular "non-English friendly" Madrid place in comparison to other Madrid places.

I have been to two countries in South America and I had a much more difficult time getting around in comparison to Europe, including when it comes to mongering. If it hadn't been for Laura's wonderful translation service for john's in Buenos Aires, I would have been completely lost. So I am relatively more likely to go to Europe than to South America. I was supposed to stay at the Mansion once, but I had to cancel the trip due to a flight schedule change. But if I go to Medellin, I would definitely stay at the Mansion due to my lack of Spanish.

So here is my question as it relates to the links I posted. Given the relative proprtion of overall worldwide income and wealth amongst English speaking men, wouldn't it make more sense for South American providers to greatly step-up their game with technology to translate to and from English, and step-up their game with respect to speaking English in general?

It is automatic in the hospitality industry that English will be spoken, because the hospitality industry knows that their ideal customer base speaks English. If you were a hot, young female sex worker, wouldn't it make the most sense to work on English skills, and technological abilities to attract the customers with the most wealth. The English speakers?

I can't figure out why South America is so far behind Europe in English, given the proximity of South America to the United States and the importance of the trade relationship. Wouldn't an emphasis on English raise incomes throughout South America, including those of sex workers? Why the lack of English in South America?

[Dickhead]

Regarding the discussion about learning languages that is taking place in the Med forum, Knowledge posted:

'Starting younger makes it easier. Of course, we no longer have that option. My advice to make maximum progress in the shortest amount of time is to focus on the spoken language and leave reading and writing for last. Another helpful tactic is watch lots of television and film, preferably without subtitles. Even with subtitles TV and film are helpful because you learn vocabulary as you see people acting out and reacting to the spoken dialogue. It also helps improve pronunciation and comprehension. It takes a bit of discipline because the path of least resistance is to go back to what's familiar, but that only interferes with learning.

The written language, reading and writing, is not as useful for our purposes as the spoken language. In fact, unless you need it for work, you will find not being able to read or write to be only a minor inconvenience. In less developed countries, large segments of the population are illiterate. '.

I agree that speaking is the most important. I agree that TV and film are useful tools. I would add that watching soap operas, while painful at times, is good because the plots are so obvious, even if you miss the meaning of a few sentences, you don't get lost overall and later you figure out what they must have said. Listening to Spanish language radio in your car helps too. Those fuckers talk really fast so just let it wash over you for the most part, but it will sink in at some level and be helpful.

Dccpa writes:

'in your opinion is the hardest Romance language? I have limited exposure to most of them, but for me, Romanian is by far the most complex. Also, any suggestions for the best course for learning Spanish?

I only have exposure to Spanish, Italian, French, and Portuguese. I feel those are in order of ease. Spanish is easier than Italian by just a bit because Italian does not have the accent mark rules to indicate the syllable that should be stressed. It also has both grave and aigu accents, while Spanish does not. Then in French you have more silent letters, plus both types of accent marks, plus cedillas and circonflexes. Portuguese has all the pronunciation symbols that French has, plus the tilde, and silent letters.

I learned Spanish the hard way, but learned Italian using Pimsleur tapes, which I recommend.

[The Tall Man]

I have seen this phenomena several times, most recently from a chica from CR & another Paisa who is currently on a world wind tour of Europe (5 or 6 countries in the last 2 weeks or so. My thoughts are they don't want the other gringo fb friends unfriending them because they have a bunch of pics with their current sponsor. They seem to want to put up a facade of traveling alone so as not to miss out on a future opportunity. Anyway, I guess to some extent we all do that. Whatever, just rent, don't buy because someone else will eventually outbid you.

El Mechanico.

Ditto that as I am one guilty of it, not often but when I do I show nothing of us together anywhere yet she shows great solo photos of her on the beach or in a boast, funny but guess who is taking those photos of her, jajajaja.

TTM.

[El Mechanico]

everytime some stupid Paisa bimbo gets some halfwit to fly her out to the Bahamas or some shit she'll only have photos of herself on vacation and he'll never appear in any of them.

I have seen this phenomena several times, most recently from a chica from CR & another Paisa who is currently on a world wind tour of Europe (5 or 6 countries in the last 2 weeks or so. My thoughts are they don't want the other gringo fb friends unfriending them because they have a bunch of pics with their current sponsor. They seem to want to put up a facade of traveling alone so as not to miss out on a future opportunity. Anyway, I guess to some extent we all do that. Whatever, just rent, don't buy because someone else will eventually outbid you.

El Mechanico.

[Knowledge]

It's a nice event, absolutely worth a visit and a refreshing change from the normal collection of addicts, transvestites, and assorted ne'er do wells. You can combine it with a meal at Hacienda, or a visit to chicas puntocom LOL!

1st weekend of the month is the craft fare at Parque Bolivar. Lots of cool handmade stuff for sale.

[Wolf662]

1st weekend of the month is the craft fare at Parque Bolivar. Lots of cool handmade stuff for sale.

[The Tall Man]

That chica who openly has a photo of her boyfriend in her whatsapp profile messages me out of the blue. She needs to tell me something she says. Then I get one of those biiiiiiig long messages describing her pitful economic state and how she needs help. I've been through this before and have my standard non-committal answer ready. Then she drops a bomb shell. She's 21 weeks pregnant. I immediately go to my calendar and start counting the weeks back to the time I barebacked her like a sweaty pig all night (creampie after creampie). Oh shit. It falls in or around that time. I ask her point blank if its mine. She says 'no lo creo' or she doesn't believe it is. Turns out other than her boyfriend I'm the only guy with that privilege (yeah right). She's pretty sure its the boyfriend because she took the morning after pill with me.

The conversation then goes on and on about other stuff. She told me she doesn't look pregnant but at 21 weeks I doubt that. I told her we could meet up when I'm in town and maybe we can work something out. I see even the start of a baby bump and I'm exiting stage left. Otherwise, we're doing a full dress rehearsal of the last night I was with her.

These chicas are fucking bizarre. I think it's like a mini matriarchal society with these hookers. They have their boyfriend and then other men they recruit into their circle. Sadly, she's such a sweet hottie. If she wasn't a hooker I'd easily make her a girlfriend. But putas be putas.

Been there and done that. Good luck to you, tread carefully. I know if they were not so much damn fun and cute I would be long long.

TTM.

[YippieKayay]

That chica who openly has a photo of her boyfriend in her whatsapp profile messages me out of the blue. She needs to tell me something she says. Then I get one of those biiiiiiig long messages describing her pitful economic state and how she needs help. I've been through this before and have my standard non-committal answer ready. Then she drops a bomb shell. She's 21 weeks pregnant. I immediately go to my calendar and start counting the weeks back to the time I barebacked her like a sweaty pig all night (creampie after creampie). Oh shit. It falls in or around that time. I ask her point blank if its mine. She says 'no lo creo' or she doesn't believe it is. Turns out other than her boyfriend I'm the only guy with that privilege (yeah right). She's pretty sure its the boyfriend because she took the morning after pill with me.

The conversation then goes on and on about other stuff. She told me she doesn't look pregnant but at 21 weeks I doubt that. I told her we could meet up when I'm in town and maybe we can work something out. I see even the start of a baby bump and I'm exiting stage left. Otherwise, we're doing a full dress rehearsal of the last night I was with her.

These chicas are fucking bizarre. I think it's like a mini matriarchal society with these hookers. They have their boyfriend and then other men they recruit into their circle. Sadly, she's such a sweet hottie. If she wasn't a hooker I'd easily make her a girlfriend. But putas be putas.