Medellin Chit Chat Thread

[JjBee62]

Is there a need for a driver to take you around the country?

Is there a list or link to the reliable driver / tour guides around Medellin who can be trusted?

Thanks in advance.

Around the country, or around the city? Around the country, it's best to fly. Tickets are not expensive. If you're really on a budget and have the time, take a bus. Hiring a driver to take you around the country will cost more than flying and take as long as riding the bus.

Getting around the city is easy and cheap by either Taxi or Uber. It's even cheaper to take a bus or the metro. Why pay someone $30-$50 for a $5 ride?

What tours are you interested in? What areas of the city or country? There are plenty of guides, but some are better for certain things and others aren't good for certain things.

[Scamnew]

Is there a need for a driver to take you around the country?

Is there a list or link to the reliable driver / tour guides around Medellin who can be trusted?

Thanks in advance.

[TheCarlAnthony]

I've tried to say this 1 million times! I agree with every single sentence here! The sizzle concept is icing on the cake! People are forgetting that your having sex! Banging beautiful women. I get there is money involved but don't let $17 extra dollars ruin an amazing experience that you obviously couldn't get for free with equal amounts of effort. I see guys that complain about paying 250 k but will pay 200 k. It blows my mind. I get everyone wants to get the best bang for their buck. Pun intended. But remember you are on vacation. Spoil yourself sometimes! Don't be stupid. Just be realistic. If you want to bang her but she is out of your price range then move on. Take a 2nd 3rd or 4th option but just know. You really wanted to bang her. Weigh it on the scale! Is my mental and physical experience with her worth this amount. She is one of the most beautiful women I've ever seen. Do I pay her say 300 k and remember her for the rest of my life. Or do I pay 7 regular pretty girls 125 k and remember 3 of them. It's all about the experience that you want to give yourself! Remember mongering is one of the most selfish sports to partake in. Sure your "helping" some girl feed her kids but at the end of the day it's about using money to satisfy your "own" sexual needs. When it comes to pleasing yourself. Always go the distance. You'll be way happier at the end of your trips. There's no guarantee the expensive girl will perform better than the cheaper girl or vice versa but the thing I can guarantee is you gave yourself what you will become more in tune with yourself by always spoiling yourself when you have the chance. The money will come and go. You will travel. You will monger. Make it an experience thing rather than a notched on belt thing and you'll enjoy it more. At least I do.

I think what everyone is worried about is that the girl they want won't be available, because someone just sent her some money, or someone took her to Germany. Big deal. Each one of them has 6 cousins, 14 friends and a sister who aren't in Europe, that don't have a WU sugar daddy and are looking for a little bit of money.

Do what makes you happy.

[JjBee62]

Well I feel like the redlight blocks are sort of a hunt. At least a hunt for the one I think is hot. Do a lap or 2 of Vera Cruz then over to Raudal then back to VC.

I'll reply to everyone in one post, starting with Wolf662.

My preferred path was down the alley, down 1 side of Veracruz, down to Raudal, cover both sides, then up to Carrera 53, cruise the bars on both sides, up to Carrera 52 a,. Walk it down to Calle 54, take that back to Raudal, cruise, usually the west side, then back up the other side of Veracruz. But that's just the selection process. I walked with a guy who was hunting in El Centro, but he was hitting up all the women working in the stores and kiosks. He found more than one taker.

Mongerer88:

What they're bemoaning is the loss of the frontier. It's inevitable that the frontier will disappear. There was a time, before my time when Ireland and Australia were the places to go. If the stories are halfway true, all you needed was a US Military ID and some basic manners. Money wasn't required other than to take the girls to dinner. Then there was a time when $5 in the Philippines would get you a woman, a bed and breakfast, $25 would get all the above for a week. Now half the hookers in PI have a PayPal account.

There are probably places in Colombia where you can find real bargains, but it's not Medellin. Medellin is too accessible. There are also, probably, some relatively unknown bargain spots in Europe, especially in some of the former Soviet Republics.

Big Boss Man, I think you've got the right idea. It's not so much hunting as TOFTT. Taking one for the team. It's a valuable service you're providing.

As for your dad's hunting. Nothing wrong with using the tools that are available. It means he probably always comes back with a pheasant. That's what Facebook is. Just another tool.

Combo, I like most of the mongers that I've met. A lot of good guys. Each has their own routine that works for them. I've used all the methods. Facebook appeals to me, because it gives me a better understanding of the girls. It adds depth which is usually not going to be found in the bar.

However, I also prefer to meet the women in a bar. Even better if there's a party going on. I'd rather sit and talk before making a decision.

[Combo]

JjBee.

I, like some of those posters you refer to, enjoy meeting them in person. However, it's not so much the "hunt" that appeals to me. It's the seeing and interacting with them live. You can much better judge both their physical appearance and the chemistry you feel with them when you meet them in person. For me, that greatly increases the odds of a good experience with them en la cama.

FWIW, there are still enough places where you can meet them in person. I rarely use Facebook and I've had no trouble in recent visits meeting and boning hot women. Our hobby hasn't gone to shit like some of the doomsayers insist.

[Big Boss Man]

I'm curious about one thing. In what way is going to a bar where prostitutes hang out and picking out a prostitute, hunting? Do you hunt for meat at the grocery store? It sounds suspiciously like shopping to me. I can understand going to a strange city, wandering the streets, hitting all the bars and clubs trying to find the bars with the hookers. That sounds like hunting. But, if you're just looking it up on a map, or asking a taxi driver, or another monger, you're simply getting directions to where you're going to shop.

What I described as hunting in the other thread is really shopping. I like to shop in places that others on the ISG Board have not been or at the very least have not been described in reports. If you look in the Madrid thread last June, I reported on 4 places previously unidentified.

If you look at the Buenos Aires thread, you will see that I liked to go to the places listed as therapeutic on the website http://www.todomasajes.net/page00.htm to find the chicas who gave full service.

From my research, I would say there are at least 100 apartments in Belen and Laureles that have not been reviewed on ISG. Nobody seems to travel to the apartments in Bello or at least reports on it.

The local Boards don't use the metaphor of hunting but use the term "going kamikaze. " It means going to a place that has no reviews. However, it is obvious that no one is going to die and everybody is going to return from the mission.

I think when I use the word "hunt", I really mean that I am searching for chica prostitutes that are keepers.

But on the other hand, maybe your definition of hunting is too strict. When my Dad went pheasant hunting in Iowa, he hired a guide who owned bird dogs. By your strict definition, my Dad has never been pheasant hunting because he used other people's expertise to find the best spots.

[Mongerer88]

JjBee62,

I always enjoy your humorous and thought-provoking posts.

If the issue is simply adapting to technology, I think people need to do so. One of my favorite episodes of the cartoon King of the Hill involves the old grandpa who had taken his sons and the friends of his son to a hotel brothel thirty or forty years ago (they all loved it except for the son. The old grandpa decides to take his grandson and the grandson's friends to the same place but the reactions are not positive as grandpa slaps attractive women on the butt and tells the youngsters to pick out a good one, then the camera shows the sign at the now upscale hotel, "Women Trial Lawyer Assiciation Meeting."

Guys who don't adapt run the risk of ending up like that Grandpa.

But I can't help but feel that some of the guys taking issue with Facebook appointments are correctly concerned about disruptive technology entering the South American market, which is relatively more limited to Spanish and Portuguese speakers in comparison to the markets of Europe and Asia that are more easily accessible by English-only speaking johns. I realize The Mansion is the exception, but it only holds so many guests.

For the prototype attractive sex worker who most of us would rate 8-10, the highest prices in the world by far is in the USA Upper-end call girl scene, followed closely by London England and the upscale agencies in Sydney and Melbourne Australia. Canada is less expensive than either of those places, but English-speaking Toronto is more expensive than largely French-speaking Montreal. The recent FOSTA crackdown on sex work in the US has made that market even more difficult to access for American johns.

Those places are likely the most expensive in the world because the Johns there have the highest level of income and wealth. When an English-only speaking John looks at some markets, he realizes that many less expensive markets are fully accessible with a smartphone that he can use WhatsApp and Google Translate with. The market I do most of my posts on, Barcelona, offers a guy willing to translate the ability to read reviews by locals and access relatively lower priced local ladies (in comparison to the prices at brothels that more specifically cater to tourists). Plenty of guys communicate with a lady and find her incall location using electronics in a manner that would simply be impossible with a verbal conversation with his English and her Spanish, even if they know a few words of the other language.

The pricing difference is more pronounced between the South American market and the USA Market than it is between the USA Market and the European market. But a lot more USA English-only speakers make mongering trips to Europe than to South America in my observation.

I have always thought that the lack of ability to easily communicate with women was one of the primary factors driving the favorability of Europe for English-only speakers. I realize there are others, including lack of guest-friendly hotels and perception of greater physical dangers.

But it would seem to me that in the long run, if more USA Guys felt comfortable that they would be making a trip that would result in them actually seeing a specific very attractive lady (or three or four) that they are communicating with online with real pictures and who are reviewed by guys they trust, there would be more travel by these guys to South America.

That would probably result in higher prices as the large price gap decreases a little bit, and South American ladies realize these guys will pay more than the ladies are currently charging.

I could of course be wrong, it is just a hypothesis. But it would rationally explain why a lot of mongers, with a competitive advantage of speaking Spanish and knowing where the non-electronic meeting places are, would dislike ladies starting to use electronic communications accessible by johns worldwide.

I notice on the argentinaprivate forum that one lady, who also has provider friends, advertises very specifically for English speakers and goes out of her way to make the process of seeing her very easy for English-only customers. She charges a ridiculously higher price than her Spanish speaking competitors, and gets blasted in comments by some long-term contributors to that forum (even though she gets good reviews). That would be evidence that some guys reasonably do not want technology to change their existing market in a manner that might significantly increase prices. I am not being critical of them, just presenting a hypothesis.

[Wolf662]

I'm curious about one thing. In what way is going to a bar where prostitutes hang out and picking out a prostitute, hunting? Do you hunt for meat at the grocery store? It sounds suspiciously like shopping to me. I can understand going to a strange city, wandering the streets, hitting all the bars and clubs trying to find the bars with the hookers. That sounds like hunting. But, if you're just looking it up on a map, or asking a taxi driver, or another monger, you're simply getting directions to where you're going to shop.
If you're getting your information from ISG, you're not hunting.
There is one example that qualifies as hunting. If you're trying to find a girlfriend or wife, or trying to find someone who's never considered selling sex, that's hunting. Unless you're just asking another prepago to bring her cousin.

Well I feel like the redlight blocks are sort of a hunt. At least a hunt for the one I think is hot. Do a lap or 2 of Vera Cruz then over to Raudal then back to VC.

[JjBee62]

To keep from further clutter in the Medellin reports thread, I'm putting this here.

There have been a few guys complaining that the internet in general and specifically Facebook has ruined the hunt for prepagos in Medellin. Instead of hanging out in bars or working at casas or strip clubs, the women are sitting at home waiting for some loser to send them a message. It's a real tragedy.

I'm curious about one thing. In what way is going to a bar where prostitutes hang out and picking out a prostitute, hunting? Do you hunt for meat at the grocery store? It sounds suspiciously like shopping to me. I can understand going to a strange city, wandering the streets, hitting all the bars and clubs trying to find the bars with the hookers. That sounds like hunting. But, if you're just looking it up on a map, or asking a taxi driver, or another monger, you're simply getting directions to where you're going to shop.

If you're getting your information from ISG, you're not hunting.

There is one example that qualifies as hunting. If you're trying to find a girlfriend or wife, or trying to find someone who's never considered selling sex, that's hunting. Unless you're just asking another prepago to bring her cousin.

Facebook hasn't really changed anything. Maybe the average person is paying more now than 15 years ago. But everything you buy has gone up in price over the past 15 years. Why should pussy be exempt? Maybe there are less quality girls in the places where you used to find them. Any hunter will tell you that's what happens when an area gets hunted out.

If you still want to don your pith helmet and pretend you're the mighty hunter tracking his prey, just send a message and ask her to meet you at a bar. Then you can use your finely honed skills to bag the trophy.

[Fun Luvr]

After seeing the discussion about sending money to girls, I've reached a conclusion; it doesn't matter what you do. If you want to send money to a girl, whether for a life saving operation or to buy cat food, send the money. If you don't want to send the money, don't.
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Do what makes you happy.

Thanks for the post, JjBee62. A few days ago, I thought about writing almost the same thing.

I worked many years and saved money so I could enjoy retirement. When I was working, I didn't envision enjoying time with the young ladies of Medellin. Actually, I never did any research about life in Colombia. It was happenstance that I discovered the mongering scene in Central and South America. I was looking to have some dental work done, and didn't want to pay the outrageous prices in the US. I decided to go to Costa Rica because reports were good about dentistry there. As a by-product, I found some nice ladies there that wanted to be mutual "friends with benefits". Migration from Costa Rica to Colombia was only natural for me. I still go to Costa Rica for dental work, but not for the ladies, other than friends.

I never tell other adults how they should live their life, and I respect those who don't try to tell me what I should do with my money. If I feel like sending money to someone I know in Medellin or paying 200 mil for an hour with them, I will do it. If someone feels that is upsetting the apple cart, then so be it. I take gifts to waitresses in Medellin who I don't envision ever being in bed with. They show appreciation when they receive the gifts, and that's enough for me. When I was growing up, my parents were very poor, money wise. I appreciated any gift of anything. I think that same feeling is in many of the young people of Medellin.

I don't think I will ever over extend myself with being generous to others. I know my limits. If only one person whom I have given something to or paid a little extra to has had their life enriched in any way by what I did, then my mission is a success.

[Balboa]

After seeing the discussion about sending money to girls, I've reached a conclusion; it doesn't matter what you do. If you want to send money to a girl, whether for a life saving operation or to buy cat food, send the money. If you don't want to send the money, don't.

I've sent money to a few, I've told most no. I've got my criteria and don't believe I'm scoring any points or somehow winning them over. Sometimes I enjoy doing nice things, knowing I'll get nothing in return.

Do the few I've sent $30 to think I'm a fool? Do I care? Not in the least. Do you honestly believe that your prepago friends respect you? When you're not around, you're just another Bobo. When they are around me, I expect certain things. When they're not around me, I expect them to talk about me the same way they talk about other guys with me.

If you want to give a girl 300,400 or 900 k, when others are paying 150 k, go for it. It's your money. If you want to take her shopping, or take her to Europe, more power to you. It's your life, enjoy it while you can.

Now everyone will want to blame you for ruining the market, but fuck them. They are neglecting one important factor; the sizzle.

Probably came from Zig ZIglar, "don't sell the steak, sell the sizzle. " Why are young, gorgeous Colombianas eager to come fuck us old gringos? I can guarantee they aren't figuring out how much they can save, how to invest, etc. They are looking for that pot of gold. Each one of us is a potential winning lottery ticket. Every one of them knows someone who found a rich husband, or a sugar daddy. They all know someone who got to travel around the world, who got a high paying modeling job, or who got out of their barrio and moved up in the world.

When there are no more Cinderella stories, the fountain will dry up. If all the lotteries had a top prize of $50,000 they'd sell a lot less tickets. If the best any girl can hope for is to get 200 k, a lot more are going to be looking for other lines of work. Even if economic conditions force them into prostitution, the incentive is gone. There's no big payoff, it's just something to tolerate to get paid. Instead of fun, energetic sessions, you'll just get starfish.

I think what everyone is worried about is that the girl they want won't be available, because someone just sent her some money, or someone took her to Germany. Big deal. Each one of them has 6 cousins, 14 friends and a sister who aren't in Europe, that don't have a WU sugar daddy and are looking for a little bit of money.

Do what makes you happy.

Once again, the voice of reason and common sense.

You posted exactly what I was thinking.

I just bought and gave a few girls here in Brazil refurbished nice android phones off eBay, 100 bucks each. They didnt ask for them, I know theyre struggling and needed them.
Made me feel good, I know they loved it.
Now if they call me a bobo behind my back, or dont respect me like some guys here say, which I doubt, I really dont care, Lol
I feel good about it, and they always take good care of me.

Be happy as you say.
Great concept! 😉

[Sangnyc21]

After seeing the discussion about sending money to girls, I've reached a conclusion; it doesn't matter what you do. If you want to send money to a girl, whether for a life saving operation or to buy cat food, send the money. If you don't want to send the money, don't.

I've sent money to a few, I've told most no. I've got my criteria and don't believe I'm scoring any points or somehow winning them over. Sometimes I enjoy doing nice things, knowing I'll get nothing in return.

Do the few I've sent $30 to think I'm a fool? Do I care? Not in the least. Do you honestly believe that your prepago friends respect you? When you're not around, you're just another Bobo. When they are around me, I expect certain things. When they're not around me, I expect them to talk about me the same way they talk about other guys with me..

I agree with everything you said except the part about sending them $$ when you're not with them. Otherwise spend it on them as you please it's your own $$ and no one has the right to tell you how yo spend it.

I agree there's a lot of folks here getting upset because they have hot girls who won't take their 150-200 k anymore because others are willing to pay more.

[HBoy54]

After seeing the discussion about sending money to girls, I've reached a conclusion; it doesn't matter what you do. If you want to send money to a girl, whether for a life saving operation or to buy cat food, send the money. If you don't want to send the money, don't.

I've sent money to a few, I've told most no. I've got my criteria and don't believe I'm scoring any points or somehow winning them over. Sometimes I enjoy doing nice things, knowing I'll get nothing in return.

Do the few I've sent $30 to think I'm a fool? Do I care? Not in the least. Do you honestly believe that your prepago friends respect you? When you're not around, you're just another Bobo. When they are around me, I expect certain things. When they're not around me, I expect them to talk about me the same way they talk about other guys with me.

If you want to give a girl 300,400 or 900 k, when others are paying 150 k, go for it. It's your money. If you want to take her shopping, or take her to Europe, more power to you. It's your life, enjoy it while you can.

Exacto! Right on!

[Mongerer88]

Jbee62,

That is the best post I have read on ISG all year.

While I have probably been guilty of it myself, one of the worst things about ISG is the attitude that everyone must do things exactly the same way and that this dynamic market can be controlled and unchanged if everyone does things exactly the same. Services are variable from Girl to Girl and even from the same girl to the next guy since it is a personal service business that is difficult to commoditize, higher prices usually bring better talent and performance, the cure for higher prices is higher prices (lower cost entrants enter the market and / or demand falls off), and the cure for lower prices is lower prices (guys will travel there if performance is good and bid the prices up).

I get amused at the techniques for guys who like a market to try to eliminate or stall these changes. Your advice is the best. Let everyone do what makes them happy and let the market adjust how the market adjusts. I have never seen a controlled market for anything turn out good.

[JjBee62]

After seeing the discussion about sending money to girls, I've reached a conclusion; it doesn't matter what you do. If you want to send money to a girl, whether for a life saving operation or to buy cat food, send the money. If you don't want to send the money, don't.

I've sent money to a few, I've told most no. I've got my criteria and don't believe I'm scoring any points or somehow winning them over. Sometimes I enjoy doing nice things, knowing I'll get nothing in return.

Do the few I've sent $30 to think I'm a fool? Do I care? Not in the least. Do you honestly believe that your prepago friends respect you? When you're not around, you're just another Bobo. When they are around me, I expect certain things. When they're not around me, I expect them to talk about me the same way they talk about other guys with me.

If you want to give a girl 300,400 or 900 k, when others are paying 150 k, go for it. It's your money. If you want to take her shopping, or take her to Europe, more power to you. It's your life, enjoy it while you can.

Now everyone will want to blame you for ruining the market, but fuck them. They are neglecting one important factor; the sizzle.

Probably came from Zig ZIglar, "don't sell the steak, sell the sizzle. " Why are young, gorgeous Colombianas eager to come fuck us old gringos? I can guarantee they aren't figuring out how much they can save, how to invest, etc. They are looking for that pot of gold. Each one of us is a potential winning lottery ticket. Every one of them knows someone who found a rich husband, or a sugar daddy. They all know someone who got to travel around the world, who got a high paying modeling job, or who got out of their barrio and moved up in the world.

When there are no more Cinderella stories, the fountain will dry up. If all the lotteries had a top prize of $50,000 they'd sell a lot less tickets. If the best any girl can hope for is to get 200 k, a lot more are going to be looking for other lines of work. Even if economic conditions force them into prostitution, the incentive is gone. There's no big payoff, it's just something to tolerate to get paid. Instead of fun, energetic sessions, you'll just get starfish.

I think what everyone is worried about is that the girl they want won't be available, because someone just sent her some money, or someone took her to Germany. Big deal. Each one of them has 6 cousins, 14 friends and a sister who aren't in Europe, that don't have a WU sugar daddy and are looking for a little bit of money.

Do what makes you happy.