Medellin Chit Chat Thread

[Mr Enternational]

For me the real question is: Is your partner motivated solely or primarily for the money?

The only people this is a question for are people that give their partners money. It amazes me what seems the amount of people that have never had a normal relationship where money was not involved. If a person can not see the difference between going to Hooters and ordering a meal for which they pay plus tip afterwards and going to their buddy's house when his wife has cooked Sunday dinner and going home without leaving "taxi money," then there is no hope.

Men with real self awareness do not have to ask those questions. They know when a girl is fucking them for money and when they are not. How do they know?

Because if he is not giving her money then she is not there.

I guess there is a lifestyle for everyone to live. I have never lived one where I saw it essential to give a woman money if I wanted to have a woman. Yesterday I was joking with a chick that I mess with in Colombia. I told her that she never has time for me. She said you know I had to work all the time when I was living in Bogota, but I came to you the little time I had between work. She then said well if you want to take care of me then I will have more time for you and I will do whatever you say. I told her that I was neither interested in taking care of a grown woman or controlling one. I know that is some guys' thing, just has never been anything I had the desire or need to do when dealing with the opposite sex.

[Zeos1]

You have thrown out your opinion before kand it sort of mirrors MiamiChild. Here are a few things to consider. Colombia is a machismo society. Men get almost all the high-paying jobs and women are expected to raise kids and work at the minimum wage jobs. That isn't a rule, there a myriad of exceptions but it is the commonplace reality. So??

The point is that women at least the women who grow up in the lesser economic stratas are taught to accentuate their looks to "catch a man". The most important thing isn't the man's age or looks but it is his ability to support the family.

You have the common misconception that the customs in the US are the same here and everywhere. They simply are NOT.

So, I don't know you. Are you old? (not so important) are you gross looking (I. E. Fat, bad dental hygiene, drop-dead ugly) can you speak Spanish? Are you cheap as hell? You'll answer those questions for yourself. But if you are in decent shape, speak Spanish and not afraid to spend at least a little money on gifts and going to restaurants and movies. You won't have much trouble finding non-pros who will be thrilled to go out with you.

Another thing to remember: Sex here is not a big deal. It isn't a major commitment. Girls here have been spreading joy (and hopefully only joy) since they were mid-teenagers.

Now to be fair. If you are mid-60's you might not get to date mid-20's girls. It isn't that it would have to be about money but you would have absolutely nothing in common and one or the both of you would get bored in a New York minute. But still. Dating young beautiful girls is not out of reach like you would experience in the US or Europe.

Fair responses and I appreciate them. I am in my low 70's. I am fit, been told I am attractive, I communicate reasonably well in Spanish, and I am single. Divorced. I have been in a relationship where I don't doubt that the gal liked me, and certainly there was sexual chemistry for both of us. But she was not really interested in a future together other than one that looked a lot like a ho-customer relationship. So it was a bit hard for me to figure it out. I was ready to make her the one and only and help her along the way for a while, but I realized I was basically just a client, albeit an important one financially for a time. I don't particularly regret having helped her along the way as the money part is transient and I can't take it with me, and in a way I don't think she really set out to rip me off. She never really made any future suggestions nor would she even respond to hints that I might like a future together. I just think she was in a position where she saw she could only lose my support by telling me that she was not really keen on a future together, and she was also not keen on losing her support of other patrons and customers. And I can't really blame her for that. Anyway. I'll be fine.

But it leaves me thinking that these distinctions between pro and non-pro, and girlfriend versus whatever are all unique and all relative and yes, most of these girls need money for their kids and lives, but also some of them are truly liberated women and if you think about it not that different than mongers. They have rejected the monogamous role of faithful wife in the house, and will graze in the pastures of having lovers or contributors that help them on their way, but these people do not in any way own them. I guess I have called that "pro" but perhaps I should have clarified that it is not a negative necessarily.

[SubCmdr]

Perhaps I am speaking from my own point of view. But at my age I don't think there is any possibility that a woman in Colombia would want to date me other than for money. Sure, she may give a GF experience, but without money it is not going to happen. Perhaps your experience is different. But my question is always. Would it have happened without money? If so what is the woman looking for and why would she date you? If she is looking for a boyfriend and perhaps a future together, or just looking for a sexual encounter. Ok. Perhaps. But I say very unlikely.

But if you are experiencing relationships that are not money related. Great.

You are ok and I am ok. And your experiences cannot be invalidated by mine. We are all speaking from our point of view, unless we are dealing in facts. Like who can or cannot use BioMag. In my opinion, your post leaves a lot open to interpretation. And that is good. I appreciate that you shared your insights. That is how I learn. And that is one of the two reasons I read and participate in ISG.

But at my age I don't think there is any possibility that a woman in Colombia would want to date me other than for money.

Here is my interpretation of your post: At my age I am not interested in any woman in Colombia that would date me for something other than money. In other words, the girls you are interested in having sex with, are probably not interested in having sex with you for reasons other than money. Now if that is a incorrect reading, please put me in check.

I am not trying to get into your business, but someone like me (who happens to be pushing 60) has a long time girlfriend that is 34 and a new friend with benefits that is 21. Do they see me for money? You have to ask them.

But with my long time girlfriend I happen to KNOW without a doubt it is not about money. With my new young friend with benefits it remains to be seen. What I do know is that in my country of origin no girls of that age would even look at me from the side. That is the nature of my culture and I am happy to have found a culture where I am relevant again within the sexual marketplace without money being the main motivator. Additional fact, I can fuck girl younger than me in my country of origin with money being a motivating factor, but only at stratospheric amounts compared to my favorite countries to live and visit.

For me the real question is: Is your partner motivated solely or primarily for the money? Did you discuss the money up front? Have you ever told her that you cannot give her money and does she still have sex with you? Those are the questions everyone must ask themselves if they are concerned with that sort of thing. And I can tell you most assuredly that I am not. If individuals are just worried about busting a nut, then why all the self introspection? Men with real self awareness do not have to ask those questions. They know when a girl is fucking them for money and when they are not. How do they know? They can feel it. To quote my biggest hater out there "There is a big difference between when a girl is sucking your dick because she wants to and one that you are paying to do it". I don't agree with that mother fucker much, but I give credit where credit is due. And he is right. There are levels to it. And if your are perceptive you know the difference. You can FEEL the difference.

Sure, she may give a GF experience, but without money it is not going to happen.

In my opinion, the concept of a girl friend experience is fake unless she is a real girl friend. You may get certain sexual services that you like. But you are paying for them. She is not kissing you because she actually likes you. You are paying her to kiss you. Yes, she is playing a role for you because she is getting paid. Porn stars and actresses on the big screen do that. It is fake. That is why people speak having girl friend experiences and I speak about girl friends.

Perhaps your experience is different. But my question is always. Would it have happened without money?

Dam straight my experiences are different because I don't lead with money. At my age I have had enough pussy so that is not my main focus. I got plenty of pussy in my home country and all over the world without leading with money as young to middle age man and did not even bring money into the picture until I was 50 years old. That is why I feel sorry for the individuals that want to call me old and yet they are flying to Colombia and paying for their hotel room, their food, their pussy and yet they are young men. And on top of that they want to argue with each other over beauty standards and brag about paying attractive prostitutes to have sex with them. As if that was some sort of achievement. GTF! I do not have to ask myself would it have happened without money in the cases where money is after the fact instead of before in the normal prostitute situation.

I spend time with the girls that have an interest in that goes beyond sex. And I ask, no I require that they bring more to the table in my life than their pussy. Others may or may not want that. Man Law 101 does not allow me to comment on how any other real man runs his life. No man ought to be telling another man, who they should be fucking, how to spend their money or worrying about about a dick other than their own.

If so what is the woman looking for and why would she date you? If she is looking for a boyfriend and perhaps a future together, or just looking for a sexual encounter. Ok. Perhaps. But I say very unlikely.

Real men don't give a fuck about that shit! After you bust a nut, are you really in the sex fog asking yourself those questions? I am not. And I don't give a fuck. I am enjoying, the pillow talk. Looking at the beautiful feminine form close to me. Thinking about the questions you listed after sex is like taking about world peace after putting smoke in the air. It messes up your buzz.

Example, my new friend with benefits actually discussed the nature of our relationship in the pre sex conversation. She stated up front that she was NOT looking for a boyfriend. That meant to me: "I'm cool with fucking you old man as long as nobody finds out I'm doing this shit". There was no money discussed. Until we were on the bed and she still had her clothes on and sexy heels on. Then the discussion was had about the expenses she needed to fund her birthday. She started high but then quickly stated that I didn't have to give her all the she needed for her birthday. I literally told her that we didn't have do do anything she didn't want. That if she did not want to have sex with me I was not going to pay her to do so. Her next response was to ask if I had condoms. And it was on from that point. Was the encounter based on money? Ask her. Because I can tell you that I don't give a fuck what you or ANYONE else posting here thinks. I did not ask the question after we BOTH got our nut. Natural wetness cannot be faked nor that pre and post orgasmic glow.

I will tell you Mr. Zeos that I am enjoying this classic discussion. It will never be resolved here. But I can tell you I have resolved it in my own mind. And when I bust my nut, my dick does not give a fuck. I am having too much fun to be worried about money. The most money ever paid to fuck was paid to my first ex-wife. Anyone who has been married going to tell me that is a relationship that is not money related. GTF!

Here are a few things to consider. Colombia is a machismo society. Men get almost all the high-paying jobs and women are expected to raise kids and work at the minimum wage jobs. That isn't a rule, there a myriad of exceptions but it is the commonplace reality. So??

The point is that women at least the women who grow up in the lesser economic stratas are taught to accentuate their looks to "catch a man". The most important thing isn't the man's age or looks but it is his ability to support the family.

You have the common misconception that the customs in the US are the same here and everywhere. They simply are NOT.

But if you are in decent shape, speak Spanish and not afraid to spend at least a little money on gifts and going to restaurants and movies. You won't have much trouble finding non-pros who will be thrilled to go out with you.

Another thing to remember: Sex here is not a big deal. It isn't a major commitment. Girls here have been spreading joy (and hopefully only joy) since they were mid-teenagers.

But still. Dating young beautiful girls is not out of reach like you would experience in the US or Europe.

Mr. Villainy is dead on point with this post. I will only add the following:

Money is just paper that is not intrinsically worth anything anyway. My thoughts is I may as well give it away to someone in need that is doing something valuable for me in real life. And I plan to die broke. My last check is going to be to my undertaker and it is going to bounce. LOL!

[Villainy]

Perhaps I am speaking from my own point of view. But at my age I don't think there is any possibility that a woman in Colombia would want to date me other than for money. Sure, she may give a GF experience, but without money it is not going to happen. Perhaps your experience is different. But my question is always. Would it have happened without money? If so what is the woman looking for and why would she date you? If she is looking for a boyfriend and perhaps a future together, or just looking for a sexual encounter. Ok. Perhaps. But I say very unlikely.

But if you are experiencing relationships that are not money related. Great.

You have thrown out your opinion before kand it sort of mirrors MiamiChild. Here are a few things to consider. Colombia is a machismo society. Men get almost all the high-paying jobs and women are expected to raise kids and work at the minimum wage jobs. That isn't a rule, there a myriad of exceptions but it is the commonplace reality. So??

The point is that women at least the women who grow up in the lesser economic stratas are taught to accentuate their looks to "catch a man". The most important thing isn't the man's age or looks but it is his ability to support the family.

You have the common misconception that the customs in the US are the same here and everywhere. They simply are NOT.

So, I don't know you. Are you old? (not so important) are you gross looking (I. E. Fat, bad dental hygiene, drop-dead ugly) can you speak Spanish? Are you cheap as hell? You'll answer those questions for yourself. But if you are in decent shape, speak Spanish and not afraid to spend at least a little money on gifts and going to restaurants and movies. You won't have much trouble finding non-pros who will be thrilled to go out with you.

Another thing to remember: Sex here is not a big deal. It isn't a major commitment. Girls here have been spreading joy (and hopefully only joy) since they were mid-teenagers.

Now to be fair. If you are mid-60's you might not get to date mid-20's girls. It isn't that it would have to be about money but you would have absolutely nothing in common and one or the both of you would get bored in a New York minute. But still. Dating young beautiful girls is not out of reach like you would experience in the US or Europe.

[Zeos1]

In my opinion there is such a thing as a non-pro. It means that you have to date her. Give her BFE and she gives your GFE. The relationship is not based on money alone. And don't give me that shit about this being a exclusive Forum about prostitutes. It is not. It is a Forum to share information on having sex with girls.

The description I gave are the type of relationships that I have focused on since I left the (Dis) United States of America. They exist and I have had them. And I don't give a fuck what anyone says about my posts about them.

Perhaps I am speaking from my own point of view. But at my age I don't think there is any possibility that a woman in Colombia would want to date me other than for money. Sure, she may give a GF experience, but without money it is not going to happen. Perhaps your experience is different. But my question is always. Would it have happened without money? If so what is the woman looking for and why would she date you? If she is looking for a boyfriend and perhaps a future together, or just looking for a sexual encounter. Ok. Perhaps. But I say very unlikely.

But if you are experiencing relationships that are not money related. Great.

[PassportGuy]

So I'm taking the dive and heading to Medellin next week. I've done Cuba and cdmx with pretty good success but I'm looking for advice. Airbnb over hotel? I'm leaning towards Poblado or Laureles areas. I'm planning on 11 or 12 days, for the most part is that too long in Med? Upgrading membership today so I can get DM's on here. If anyone is going to be there during those time and wants to help a bro out it would be appreciated.

[GeorgeCarta22]

Anyone have air bnb recommendations for 3 people. Looking for a nicer house.

[SubCmdr]

In my opinion there is such a thing as a non-pro. It means that you have to date her. Give her BFE and she gives your GFE. The relationship is not based on money alone. And don't give me that shit about this being a exclusive Forum about prostitutes. It is not. It is a Forum to share information on having sex with girls.

The description I gave are the type of relationships that I have focused on since I left the (Dis) United States of America. They exist and I have had them. And I don't give a fuck what anyone says about my posts about them.

No such thing as a non pro. If she'll see you she's a pro. As for anal. Ask how much, and if it's available she'll say a number. Go from there.

[Mr Enternational]

I was with a fellow traveler who had all the perks I knew. He used the VIP lane with Spirit like I did. He went to the Priority Pass lounge like I did and got free food like I did, but the one thing he had me beat on is that he had an expedited way through Colombian customs. This was for foreigners not Colombians. It was no big deal as the regular customs lines were short. I was just curious if anyone knew anything about that.

It is called Biomig. I posted about it last month in the general thread.

Biomig is now available for foreigners leaving the country out of Bogota.

https://www.opain.co/page/comunicado...etalle?id=4271

[Elvis 2008]

I did it yesterday and got the same end point. It says that it didn't work but it had anyway. Really shltty slte. A government department should be ashamed to put visitors thru thls shlt.

I was 3 out of 4 with check MIG my last two trips. I flew American into Colombia and showed them the site was down, and they shocked me and handed me a paper copy I could use in place of check MIG. I never saw that before. LOL. I later tried the check MIG while in the Bogota customs line and the site then worked. Who the fuck knows why? The funny part is no one in Colombia asked for it.

Bogota customs line was 45 minutes in line coming in, and Cartagena was 20 minutes going out this time.

I was with a fellow traveler who had all the perks I knew. He used the VIP lane with Spirit like I did. He went to the Priority Pass lounge like I did and got free food like I did, but the one thing he had me beat on is that he had an expedited way through Colombian customs. This was for foreigners not Colombians. It was no big deal as the regular customs lines were short. I was just curious if anyone knew anything about that.

[JohnnyWalker55]

Never had any problems with Check mig before, maybe a slow loading page at most.

Flew out of palonegro international yesterday through avianca, filled out the form the previous day, they didn't even ask for it.

And for anyone else seeing this, the paid check mig is a scam. Do not pay money for that LOL.

[JjBee62]

I was leaving. I ending up doing what Jjbee62 described (search for check-mig Colombia). When I filled it out in English, it got to a point and said it couldn't finish. I tried both as a frequent traveler and as a normal traveler. I then tried filling it out in Spanish as a normal traveler, and it completed. I also left the arriving city as the default. I don't know if that had any bearing.

From the WTF division of Migracion Colombia, yesterday I did my CheckMig to leave, through the website and everything worked exactly the way it's supposed to work. Maybe they finally figured it out. Probably not.

[Fun Luvr]

Are you coming to Colombia or leaving. I had too many problems using the Check-mig for arrival so I paid on www.ivisa.com.

I was leaving. I ending up doing what Jjbee62 described (search for check-mig Colombia). When I filled it out in English, it got to a point and said it couldn't finish. I tried both as a frequent traveler and as a normal traveler. I then tried filling it out in Spanish as a normal traveler, and it completed. I also left the arriving city as the default. I don't know if that had any bearing.

[JustTK]

That got me to the form and I was able to fill it out. At the end, on the final click, it said it couldn't process the request. I backed up, tried again, same result. However, within seconds I received 2 email confirmations.

I did it yesterday and got the same end point. It says that it didn't work but it had anyway. Really shltty slte. A government department should be ashamed to put visitors thru thls shlt.

[JjBee62]

I just tried going to the Check-mig site on my computer and cell phone, both show the site can't be found. Maybe it's temporary since another poster said he was on the site this morning.

I went to the Scotiabank-Colpatria ATM on the second floor of the Laureles Exito and verified if is now charging 20,900 pesos to withdraw 900,000.

I tried using the App, and it couldn't find the site. I did a search and what looked like an official site came up, but then it came to a payment page. I backed out quickly. Next I went to the Migracion Colombia page.

Http://migracioncolombia.gov.co

That got me to the form and I was able to fill it out. At the end, on the final click, it said it couldn't process the request. I backed up, tried again, same result. However, within seconds I received 2 email confirmations.

Don't know if that will help.