Stupid shit in Medellin

[JustTK]

Here is PETA's take on this:
That said, in many of your posts it seems you are grasping for straws, ... it seems to escape you what conditional probabilities are.

Hey Prtbrgr.

How are you? Thanks for you reply.

Yes, PETA and the official Vegan Society both have said it's a personal choice, up to the individual, and it is not anti-vegan to have a vaccine (or take medicine). Personally I think there is a lot politics going on in their public positions. Can you imagine if they took the hardline position and said taking medicine was anti-vegan? I would say they would immediately lose most of their members, and end the vegan movement for years to come. It is a hard enough struggle, without alienating the majority of, otherwise, good people. You make a special case for personal health – which is the one time they argue for being selfish. To me it lacks some consistency but I understand that it would be very damaging to take the opposite position.

"it seems to escape you what conditional probabilities are".

No, I have taken that it into consideration. Let me try to explain why the conditional probability is the same. This study result – vaxd person chance to catch COVID – 25%, non-vaxd person chance to catch COVID. Ok, on the face it these results you are more likely to catch COVID if you are not vaxd (due to the vax having some efficacy). However, there are 2 obvious flaws in this data – it is far from complete!

1. The study was run over a fixed period of time. If we lengthen the period then everyone will catch the disease. Both groups will be at 100%. This was verified by Andy Slavitt, the former White House Senior Advisor for COVID Response, who wrote "Given Delta's contagiousness & the fitness of future mutations in order to beat it, this means SARS-CoV-2 will be contagious enough that everyone will get the virus". And that makes logical sense too bcos if we extend the period under review then both groups percentage approach 100 and slow down. So that being the case, every person, whether vaxd or non-vax, will have the virus once, and during time every person will be as equally contagious (as the report stated). So everyone is equally dangerous to a vulnerable person.

2. the research compared a vaxd group vs an unvaxd group. But that unvaxd group is made up of some with natural immunity and some without. If however, there were more people with natural immunity, the stats would be closer together. Until we reach a point when one group is vaxd, and the other group entirely has natural immunity? Then what would the stats show? And what if the vax efficacy has waned in that group? Then what would the stats show?

Studies show natural immunity is better in the long term – see this Israel study - https://www.timesofisrael.com/study-...than-vaccines/.

And for those that say science is against the non-vaxd, read this - https://www.clarkcountytoday.com/new...ovid-vaccines/.

[PedroMorales]

I just noticed that Mileroticas website title for Sta Marta section is ".

Escorts why prepagos en Santa Marta. Putas Mileroticos" - must be a huge insult to sex workers if one of their primary sales channels refers to them as putas. Haha. I was obviously showing no respect to these people who are not even here to read my words. What disgracefull behaviour! Hehe.

I got put on moderate mode as an American in the Philippines who has yet to post one field report or piece of useful information objected o me using the word skank on a report about "the ladies of the night" "courtesans" "escorts" "fille de joie" or whatever one calls feral prostitutes. Maybe Pornhub should moderate its language.

On a slightly different note, I watched a contemporary Sandista band play a Let's Go Brandon number en español, por supuesto. The chick was hot.

[JustTK]

American men travel to Colombia to get their sexual needs met and you have to hear about how exceptional we are. I can understand why you think we are crazy even if others do not.
You might be confused by the freedom line so let me explain. Freedom does not refer to doing drugs, gambling, or paying women for sex. We Americans have to go to Colombia for those freedoms.
Probably the greatest threat to my freedom is the number of people being paid off by our government and that includes current and former members of the military. These people care a helluva lot more about their government check than freedom.

Hehe, yes I agree that "greatness" and "freedom" are meaningless words without context. In what sense are you greatest or free? As you highlight. But in whatever sense you are thinking, it does seem that the USA is becoming less "great" and less "free" with each passing puppet / idiot is in charge. Any rational person can see that the reigns of power have passed completely to the ruling elites. And unfortunately, its not only the USA people that must suffer. And this is why I speak about it.

Where do you think to live?

[ChuchoLoco]

When will USA send the money they owe the EU for taking the consequences of your failed wars in the Middle East?

You USAns might not know it, but you are laughing stock of the rest of the World and one of the biggest reasons for that is your lack of education. So I guess that your lack of knowledge about the WW2 really doesn't surprise me.

The Russians, supported by the UK, did much more than the USAns to beat the Germans. Maybe you didn't know that UK and the US are two different countries? That would explain why you appear to be so confused.

Actually Stalin was basically begging for help for a couple years for a western front against the Germans while Churchill and Roosevelt argued but finally decided to wait a so the Russians would be brutalized and also weaken the Germans which is what happened. The UK had been fighting the Germans all over the place usually losing and this is said with no offense intended to the Brits who suffered more than most of us Americans know. Then finally came Normandy.

[JustTK]

I only entered this thread because I thought it was funny and some American hamburger chomper was insulting the Spanish language from a position of ignorance. I guess I should apologize for arguing with a fool, one who thinks putas are addressed as Seora Prostituta.

I just noticed that Mileroticas website title for Sta Marta section is ".

Escorts why prepagos en Santa Marta. Putas Mileroticos" - must be a huge insult to sex workers if one of their primary sales channels refers to them as putas. Haha. I was obviously showing no respect to these people who are not even here to read my words. What disgracefull behaviour! Hehe.

[Villainy]

When will USA send the money they owe the EU for taking the consequences of your failed wars in the Middle East?

You USAns might not know it, but you are laughing stock of the rest of the World and one of the biggest reasons for that is your lack of education. So I guess that your lack of knowledge about the WW2 really doesn't surprise me.

The Russians, supported by the UK, did much more than the USAns to beat the Germans. Maybe you didn't know that UK and the US are two different countries? That would explain why you appear to be so confused.

I'm sure the US will be happy to square accounts with you Euro-cheats. When are you going to pay up the decades of arrearages in your balances for supporting NATO?

As to your knowledge of WW2 history. You should be bending down kissing our feet and throwing in a few BJ's when asked. If it weren't for US support during and especially after the war, Europe would be a collection of 3rd world countries.

[ShooBree]

You know less of history than you do about CoVid. I wonder if anyone here is surprised by that?

Russia did well against Germany largely because the US provided massive support when they needed it most. But you have to give a major assist to Hitler who made a myriad of bone-head mistakes that cost dearly.

You also failed to mention or recognize that after the war the US sent billions of dollars in aid to rebuild the war torn countries of Europe. When in the history of the world has a victorious nation helped rebuild the countries that were allies as well as those that were conquered?? I think the world you'll search for is "never".

When will USA send the money they owe the EU for taking the consequences of your failed wars in the Middle East?

You USAns might not know it, but you are laughing stock of the rest of the World and one of the biggest reasons for that is your lack of education. So I guess that your lack of knowledge about the WW2 really doesn't surprise me.

The Russians, supported by the UK, did much more than the USAns to beat the Germans. Maybe you didn't know that UK and the US are two different countries? That would explain why you appear to be so confused.

[JjBee62]

Hi JjBee62,

Ethical concerns aside, I disagree with most of JustTK's statements about vaccination, but that doesn't mean I have to disagree with him if he says the sky is blue.

I enjoy your methods, although it's been many years since I've been patient enough to emulate them. Benjamin Franklin would approve. If you can find a copy, his autobiography is well worth your time.

I've been doing the online debate thing for over 30 years, well before the worldwide web. Long ago I learned the paradox of reasoned debate. It's nearly impossible to have a reasoned debate.

If you are debating someone capable of reasoned debate, they've done their research, they've correctly applied logic and have built a robust argument. Which leaves only minor points of contention. If your opponent is incapable, or unwilling to engage in reasoned debate, you're left wading through a flood of logical fallacies from someone who has no interest in fact.

The vaccination debate illustrates this perfectly. The main question, to vaccinate or not, is clear, both for the individual and the larger population. What you're left with are reasonably minor side issues. For example, do the rights of the individual override the welfare of the population. I believe it does, with restrictions. However, if you're making the argument of your right to refuse the vaccine, you've given up your argument that others should refuse the vaccine.

One subplot which is fertile for debate is vaccination strategy. Is it better to begin with the most vulnerable, or with those with greater risk of exposure? Another one, should distribution distribution begin with the wealthiest nations or with the poorest? There are many others, but few are interested in pursuing them.

[JjBee62]

I'm currently, much busier than any dead or completely disabled person should be. Sorry for the confusion, but I had some difficulty with your diagnosis. There was only 1 bit which I'm certain about.

You're insane.

When someone who isn't a doctor, who has demonstrated an abysmal level of knowledge, claims he's more qualified than 7 doctors he knows nothing about, that's insane.

When someone (not a doctor, etc) claims to know more about the health of a person he's never met, than the person (or any of his doctors), that's insane.

I could go on, but there's only 2 possible conclusions. Either you're insane, or you're trying to convince everyone you're insane. Considering you're making the effort on an anonymous monger board, I believe it amounts to the same thing. That's not a diagnosis, just an analysis of what you've demonstrated. Feel free to consult with a qualified professional.

I'm certain you will have a response which is equally insane, but it's unlikely I'll find the time to read it, what with being busy and in whatever state of invalidism you've declared for me.

However, I would like to leave you with something you caused me to remember.

https://youtu.be/Oz-TPoswOQA

[JjBee62]

Every thing you said is either mistaken or a lie. You tell me which?

90% of the casualties weren't at the Eastern Front but it certainly was the highest percentage. Mostly because a complete German army was abandoned and not permitted to retreat during the battle of Stalingrad.

https://www.britannica.com/event/Battle-of-Stalingrad

If it had not been for the American supplies and equipment sent to Great Britain and Russia you wouldn't be able to manufacture your version of history.

Oh and BTW you are full of shit about who invented the internet as well.

https://www.history.com/news/who-invented-the-internet

The scientist you reference above, came along later and developed the WWW methodology. BTW he was working at MIT (for ignorant like you that is the abbreviation of Massachusetts Institute of Technology) when these new protocols were developed.

I'm not going to wade into the WW2 conflict. It's obvious a few people didn't learn their history. It also appears one person is very upset that the Nazis lost.

However, the internet was created by the US DARPA. Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency. Originally it was called DarpaNet.

I was heavily involved in the rollout of access to the WorldWideWeb at Sandia National Labs, in 1995. At the time everyone had access to the internet at the labs, but it was decided that everyone needed WWW access. At the time that required manually configuring each computer, adding the drivers and installing the Netscape browser. Once we got into the swing of it, we could set someone up in about 10 minutes. The hardest part was explaining to everyone why they needed it.

With most of the people, we would just ask what they were interested in, then type it into a search engine and show them the results. Easier and more visual than a Gopher search.

At the time they hadn't come up with an Acceptable Use Policy yet, and told us to tell everyone "use your best judgement. " I warned them that they were going to end up firing a lot of people, because "best judgement" is going to tell them, since they're already allowed to use the internet for personal use during their own time, they would go straight to the porn.

It took less than 3 weeks before they had to start firing people. As soon as it started, my phone started ringing. I went around, changed NICs, Network Interface Cards, changed IPs, and cleared browser histories and saved about 10 people from getting fired. At our next IT meeting my boss had the nerve to ask why nobody had thought about how people might misuse the web. That's when I decided I was done with IT.

[JjBee62]

Hi JjBee62,

I started reading some of the posts on this board a few weeks ago, and you always struck me as a very level-headed guy. This post however was a bit of a head scratcher.

I am not a vegan, but I fully recognize how much damage to the planet and animal suffering is caused by the meat industry. With all due respect, your rationale and bean examples seem a bit underwhelming in light of the fact that less than 10% of all soy is used for human food products such as tofu and soy milk, and a large number of studies suggest that global land use could drop tremendously if everybody went vegan (for example https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aaq0216). I recognize that I might be missing something, and I'd certainly be open to change my mind if you can corroborate your statements. I also recognize that this board is not about diet choices, but then, I didn't start it.

Ethical concerns aside, I disagree with most of JustTK's statements about vaccination, but that doesn't mean I have to disagree with him if he says the sky is blue.

There's some hyperbole in there.

What I was pointing out is there's much more involved than what most people recognize.

Global land use could be reduced if everyone went vegan. However, what happens to 500 million chickens, 100 million cows and 75 million pigs (just in the US)? We either kill them into extinction, or we turn them loose. I already have to deal with too many deer on the highways, the typical cow weighs 500 lbs more. The pigs are a bigger concern, because they're much more dangerous. Let them go feral and we're going to start losing people to them.

There are very few simple answers to complex problems.

[Elvis 2008]

Actually it's thanks to Russia that Germany lost the war.

The USA was so anti-USSR that it did not want to teach about their role in WW2. The USA beat the Nazi's be team.

With the movie Patton, you would think that Patton, Eisenhower, Bradley, Montgomery, or Rommel were the greatest generals in WW2 but I remember one text book saying Zhukov was WW2's greatest general and I was thinking, "And who the fuck is he?" he is actually rated here as the #8 greatest general of all time, and most Americans have no clue who he is: https://www.wearethemighty.com/popul...by-statistics/.

But congrats on dropping the A-bomb on Japan after they had basically already surrendered. Really impressive. Not.

Well, the Soviet armies were done with Germany and turning their eyes on feasting on Japan. The bomb was meant to end the war as quickly as possible even if it meant the loss of a huge amount of civilian life not just to defeat Japan but to keep the Soviets out. Given that the Soviets did not take over Japan, and Japan became the world's #2 economic power in comparison to what happened to those nations in Eastern Europe, I think it is fair to say it worked out for the best for the country as a whole. The USA likes to think of itself as their WW2 machine was the most powerful military ever assembled but it seems to me the Soviets had a force that actually was.

BTW, good work in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan.

Oh, you are most welcome. There is more to come. Biden is doing something big in Asia and Africa. I suspect he is going to be fighting proxy wars with China there. I suspect the Syrian refugee flood in Europe will be an African flood soon.

I think the Democratic douches learned their point and hate thing from the military. I am not sure what African or Asian leader is going to be threatening our way of life next but I have every confidence our military will find someone who fits the part.

[Elvis 2008]

Yes you are being disrespectful again. I guess that's just the way many USAns are. They can't help themselves in their "exceptionalism".

You will probably like this clip, JustTK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2HKbygLjJs

"We didn't identify ourselves by who we voted for and we do not scare so easily. " That probably encompasses 90% of what we did wrong with Covid.

We have a section here on American women and how bad they are and then we have this section where American men travel to Colombia to get their sexual needs met and you have to hear about how exceptional we are. I can understand why you think we are crazy even if others do not.

You might be confused by the freedom line so let me explain. Freedom does not refer to doing drugs, gambling, or paying women for sex. We Americans have to go to Colombia for those freedoms.

However, I was in Singapore when an American there was caned for spray painting cars. The police chief in his American home town said the police there would have done nothing to him had he vandalized cars there, so that is what the freedom refers to: the freedom to commit vandalism.

I would think that our nation which is #1 in the world with its incarceration rate would shut up about freedom, but we do not. Thank a veteran for your freedom is a good military slogan.

The notion that veterans are there to protect our freedom (what freedom?) is something even the current soldiers do not buy. One of them told me that the nations we declare war on or are our enemies are the ones thinking about setting up another reserve currency. He said his job was not to protect American lives or freedom but the American dollar, and that makes a lot more sense to me.

So, yeah, we own the world's printing press and because of that and the money we have, we think we are exceptional in everything just like a rich man thinks he is good at everything. The irony is how many Americans believe that #1 talk but have never left the country.

For me, it is precisely that we do not have freedom that I am going to retire outside of the USA. Sure, I will work next to the printing press and be rewarded for it, but I am not staying in a nation that is so full of it. You can see the hypocrisy dripping through just on this forum.

I will tell you one of the worst events in this nation's history. It was when Obama killed an American citizen without a trial. This was a blatant constitutional violation and where were the men and women who took an oath to protect the constitution, our "heroes", when this happened, storming the White House? Nope, they were sitting on their asses getting their pension checks and free health care.

Probably the greatest threat to my freedom is the number of people being paid off by our government and that includes current and former members of the military. These people care a helluva lot more about their government check than freedom.

One of the reasons I think some here were so pro lockdown is that they are or were government people who got paid during the lockdowns. For them, the idea they got paid for nothing is too tough to take. No, they were paid to lock down and keep us safe.

That is another thing the USA may be #1 at, the number of government workers patting themselves on the back.

[PedroMorales]

I only entered this thread because I thought it was funny and some American hamburger chomper was insulting the Spanish language from a position of ignorance. I guess I should apologize for arguing with a fool, one who thinks putas are addressed as Señora Prostituta. Perhaps that is what they do in the Hamptons when they are playing at The Great Gatsby. The civilised world, those with words in their veins, speak more earthily.

The thread has been useful in showing Americans who can see they are not universally loved. Was Marilyn Monroe the only American woman whose accent did not grate? What is it with Americans and their loud, atonal voices? Who knows or cares really. Best avoided.

Salud!

[JustTK]

But congrats on dropping the A-bomb on Japan after they had basically already surrendered.
BTW, good work in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan.

Enola Gay. The ultimate despicable act of cowardice of the 20th century. Seems they had no faith in their soldiers to win a war if they had to fight man to man, so instead they dropped the most lethal weapon ever designed (by UK, BTW) on helpless citizens. Bcos they are Asian and worth less than USAn lives. And I guess they were correct bcos they have lost many wars against 3rd world countries since then.