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11-16-21 19:22 #2185
Posts: 1680Ok
Originally Posted by MrEnternational [View Original Post]
Someone recently said in so many words that it isn't debate when one side is constantly dishing out logical fallacies while the other side is tasked with unraveling them. I call that a circle jerk, and that's about all you can find in a hooker forum. Some of it is stupidity, some is just ignorance and lack of education, but if one wants real debate they need to look elsewhere. And there are places to find it around the internet, depending on the topic of interest.
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11-16-21 03:24 #2184
Posts: 3222Originally Posted by PedroMorales [View Original Post]
BTW, love that clot shot nickname.
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11-16-21 02:42 #2183
Posts: 2579Woww
Originally Posted by JustTK [View Original Post]
One of the best one-liners ever on ISG!
Encore por favor!
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11-16-21 02:17 #2182
Posts: 3222The most logical Covid article
Originally Posted by MrEnternational [View Original Post]
Let me start with my favorite line of the whole article: As of August 25,2021, it takes over twenty-five hundred vaccinations to prevent a single death in the US. The data for the developed world are worse.
The scientific basis for the mandate is dubious. We are told that the vaccine is effective and safe. If this assertion were true, there would be no reason for coercion, as everyone would voluntarily take the vaccine. Furthermore, anyone taking the vaccine would have nothing to fear from the unvaccinated. If the vaccine worked, then everyone taking the vaccine would be protected. Of course, the vaccine does not work for everyone. Since the vaccine does not work for everyone, it becomes a judgment call whether the risk of vaccination is worth the benefit. Contrary to what is claimed on a daily basis, the vaccine is not safe. There is a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention database of adverse effects. As of November 7, 2021, there were 2,725,582 adverse events in 634,609 adverse event reports, including 8,284 deaths, 9,726 life-threatening events, 9,580 permanent disabilities, 363 congenital anomalies or birth defects, 38,818 hospitalizations, 79,615 ER visits, and 121,100 doctor's office visits attributed to the covid vaccines. These are only the risks we know about so far. Nobody knows what the adverse effects will be one, five, or ten years from now.
The risk versus benefit calculation is purely subjective, as the risks are unknown currently. Even if the total risk were limited to what is currently known, the risk versus benefit calculation would remain purely subjective, because death from covid and death from blood clots and other known covid vaccine complications are not directly comparable, as individual fear of one type of death is not equal to the fear of all other types of death. Furthermore, the benefits to society of an individual covid vaccination are not necessarily the same for the person taking the risk of the vaccination due to the very large disparity in risk versus age. While it may be noble to voluntarily accept a risk to benefit someone else, it is immoral to coerce someone to accept a risk to benefit someone else.
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11-15-21 21:41 #2181
Posts: 5460Originally Posted by MrEnternational [View Original Post]
I'm sure you realize this already, but you shouldn't accept everything everyone says as the truth, even if it comes from a Mexican chick.
There is a big world out there. Which is confusing if you're attempting to say that 1 Mexican chick is the yardstick we should use for everyone. There are people who have been shot in the head, who survived with no long term problems. Does that mean getting shot in the head doesn't pose a health risk?
Trump no longer has anything to do with this, although I hear from people everyday who also missed the election where he lost and is no longer in charge. I'd estimate there are millions of them just in the US.
I've told you before, you shouldn't care about people trying to shame you for whatever reason. Can you walk into a local church and start talking about all the prostitutes you've fucked without people shaming you? If you believe what you're doing is right, then stop worrying about what other people think.
Shit, there are people out there getting shamed because they're on food stamps and they sometimes spend money on things that aren't necessities. I had an old boss try to shame me because a work injury that laid me up for 18 months cost the company $50,000. People right here on ISG tried to shame me because at one point I was flat broke.
Personally, I haven't seen anyone being shamed because they don't want to get vaccinated. Even most of the ones who are spreading false information about the vaccines aren't getting shamed. Some of them are losing their jobs, but that's nothing new.
It seems like there's a simple solution. If you don't want to get vaccinated, don't. Almost nobody will know, or care. If you want to convince other people not to get vaccinated, expect some resistance. It's the same as if you try to tell your married friends they shouldn't be married. There will be some resistance.
Now, if your big issue is that your employer, or the countries you want to visit require vaccination, the solution is still simple. Decide what's more important to you. Everyone does it every day. I know guys who won't work certain jobs, because smoking weed is more important to them.
Every employer, every country has the right to make rules. If you don't like the rules, go somewhere else.
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11-15-21 21:02 #2180
Posts: 5460Originally Posted by PedroMorales [View Original Post]
Let's start with the basics. You keep referring to the vaccines as "clot shot. " Current studies indicate that about 20% of people with Covid develop blood clots. Both the AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson vaccines have a rare side effects of causing blood clots, almost exclusively in women under 60 and primarily in women under 24. The incidence of blood clots from the vaccine is much lower than the incidence of blood clots from Covid. Unless you're a woman, under the age of 60, a group most of us don't belong to, your risk of blood clots from the vaccine is almost non-existent, while you're risk of blood clots from Covid is reasonably high.
"Herd immunity" is not a precise measure. I'm going to refer to it as "criticality" for a moment.
A nuclear reactor is considered "critical" at a SUR (Startup Rate) of 1. That is, when the reactor power level is exactly self-sustaining, when each atom which undergoes fission causes exactly 1 other atom to fission, the power level is stable. The reactor could be at 10% power, or 100% power, but as long as that ratio is equal to 1, the reactor is critical. If it's greater than 1, it's supercritical, under 1, subcritical. This ratio is the most important measure of the reactor, because if it gets too high, the reactor effectively becomes a bomb. (This is something the movies have always fucked up. They'll say "the reactor is critical" and panic, but critical is where you want the reactor to be.).
That criticality is the same for infectious diseases. If the ratio is 1, then case numbers remain constant. The spread of the disease is stable. Herd immunity is achieved when each infected person, on average, infects less than 1 person, due to acquired immunity.
However, with Covid, there's no indication yet that infection or vaccination provides permanent immunity. Quite the opposite. It could be, in a year or two we'll discover that a combination of multiple vaccinations and multiple infections gives permanent immunity, or not.
We can simulate herd immunity, which most countries have attempted, with varying degrees of success. That's done with a combination of infection reduction strategies, masks, social distancing, reducing large public gatherings, contact tracing, quarantine and vaccination all play a role.
Even if either the vaccines or infection gave permanent immunity, we haven't reached the level where vaccination would provide herd immunity. Worldwide about 53% are fully vaccinated, 58% in the US.
There's really only 1 benefit of getting vaccinated. If you're vaccinated, your chances of surviving Covid go way up. If you survive you have a chance of seeing herd immunity achieved. If you don't, you move the rest of us closer to the goal.
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11-15-21 19:06 #2179
Posts: 15917Originally Posted by Huacho [View Original Post]
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11-15-21 17:32 #2178
Posts: 2579Originally Posted by Villainy [View Original Post]
We can only imagine what you look like, of course my post strikes a nerve with you.
Trust me you don't want to meet up with me.
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11-15-21 17:14 #2177
Posts: 1779Originally Posted by Huacho [View Original Post]
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11-15-21 13:15 #2176
Posts: 688Or as an alternative, all you unvaxxed fucks could take a plane to Never Never Land where Trump is still fuhrer. Then you could get on a bus to Go Fuck Yourself. Now don't get me wrong. Unvaccinated people should still have certain rights. Such as, the right to inhale, but not the right to exhale. Get your fucking heads out of your stinky asses, roll up your arms, and bend over.
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11-15-21 11:09 #2175
Posts: 1056Spike Up
Our leaders, who are paid by Big Pharma et al, want us all spiked up. Given most have taken the clot shot, why no herd immunity?
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11-15-21 02:58 #2174
Posts: 1226Originally Posted by MrEnternational [View Original Post]
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11-15-21 02:21 #2173
Posts: 15917Originally Posted by Gabacho [View Original Post]
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11-15-21 02:16 #2172
Posts: 650Little Internet Traveler
Originally Posted by MarquisdeSade1 [View Original Post]
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11-15-21 00:34 #2171
Posts: 2579I've been vaxed 4 x
Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]
Reminiscent of the trains to the "work camps" ala WW2.
Some boarded the trains willingly, some didn't.
We all know how it worked out for all of them.
Many pro-vaxers (pro lockdowns pro maskers) here remind me so much of the capos in Viktor Frankls, Mans Search for Meaning.