Stupid shit in Medellin

[NapataJohn]

My viewpoint is that you do not need a vaccine; you only need a vaccine card. Besides, they have said that the vaccine does not do much for the new strain, so what is the point?

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...riant-12483481

[Surfer500]

My viewpoint is that you do not need a vaccine; you only need a vaccine card. Besides, they have said that the vaccine does not do much for the new strain, so what is the point?

Actually it may turn out that if your going to get COVID, then Omicron is the strain to get, as there are reports surfacing that the symptoms are very mild for those catching that strain. Yet it's all speculation right now, so saying the current vaccines don't work well against it, or what I just stated, is all pure conjecture at this point.

[SouthEaster]

So you are telling people to purchase fake documents and break laws individual countries have enacted to try to safeguard their populations? I normally am on the same page as you but not this one. This isn't getting a fake drivers license on Khao San road, this is potential illness or worse, and not just for the individual breaking said laws.

As for "they" saying vaccines are ineffective against the new strain. Well I keep a fairly keen eye out for developments and so far the jury is out on that. It may well turn out to be true but so far it falls under "misinformation", in other words bullshit.

[Mr Enternational]

So is everybody getting their vaccines now that they will probably be required? It's not official yet, but the writing is on the wall, that's where this thing is heading.

If not, you're running out of places that don't require vaccines.

Would you quit the hobby over it?

Just curious about people's viewpoints on this.

My viewpoint is that you do not need a vaccine; you only need a vaccine card. Besides, they have said that the vaccine does not do much for the new strain, so what is the point?

[Villainy]

Your "source" did not even list those countries, and your list contains a number of heavily vaccinated countries in Europe getting pounded with Covid right now.

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

Seriously dude. I think most 3rd graders could figure out how to use the page. Here let me explain it so that even an 'Elvis' can understand it. You look at the chart. If you see a country is missing and you want to look at their information, you go down the list of countries and check the box and 'low and behold' it will mysteriously appear along with the data. I realize that is very complicated for someone from the 'Elvis School of Analysis'. It's a lot easier to just make up whatever you need to support your make-believe arguments.

No, you do not. You use "scientists" to advance your political agenda and ignore data when it does not suit you.

I am not going to get into a debate on global warming / climate change.

All evidence to the contrary....given what follows

What I will say is that the theory is that rising CO2 leads to higher temperatures. Again, just like if the vaccine worked, we would see a linear decline in cases. The same should go with CO2 and temperature, higher CO2 leads to higher temps but when the data does not fit, you see all the bullshit excuses.

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/fe...mperature4.php

Of greater concern to Hansen than global warming skeptics is the problem of global warming itself..

Gee and foolish me. I thought you were only an expert on the Corona Virus and Epidemiology and Statistical Analysis. Little did I know you are an expert on Environmental Science too. Now if you could just learn to add and subtract and read. Maybe some of us would stop laughing at your hair-brained theories.

[MarquisdeSade1]

https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/p...30/id/1046826/

[MarquisdeSade1]

Great post FL! So if the vaccine lived up to its 95% efficacy and seeing as how we are about 60% vaccinated, the number of cases should have gone from about 20 million to about 10 million. Furthermore, as people were vaccinated, the number of cases should have gone down in direct correlation to how many were vaccinated, I. E. Fewer cases in October than March. That did not happen.

And the most vaccinated countries in the world (Israel, Ireland, and Gibraltar) should have seen near complete eradication of the virus. Instead they have all dealt with new severe outbreaks requiring lockdowns.

So what did Fauci and the "scientists" do? The same thing the "scientists" who spoke of global warming did. They changed the name. For global warming, it was "scientists" changing the name to climate change when the earth quit heating up and here the focus was not on percent effectiveness with stopping new cases but preventing death and hospitalization. You are 11 X less likely to die if vaccinated they say.

I do not get that last part because if we have more deaths in 2021 and over half the population is vaccinated and the death rates are higher in 2021, the only way those numbers add up is if the unvaccinated had to deal with a virus like 11 X more potent right?.

No bueno.

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/co...30/id/1046827/

[Elvis 2008]

Israel and Ireland are the most vaccinated countries in the world? Simply not even close to being true.

Your "source" did not even list those countries, and your list contains a number of heavily vaccinated countries in Europe getting pounded with Covid right now.

Let's get back to the question at hand. The cases of Covid have doubled in 2021 despite the vaccine. How many do you project in 2022 and how would you define success?

The thing we know about you douches is that no matter what the result is, you will bash Republicans as the cause of disease and death and praise "scientists" no matter what the data shows.

Afterall I believe in math, statistics and science; and I don't believe in the latest ravings from the Elvis school of make-believe.

No, you do not. You use "scientists" to advance your political agenda and ignore data when it does not suit you.

I am not going to get into a debate on global warming / climate change. What I will say is that the theory is that rising CO2 leads to higher temperatures. Again, just like if the vaccine worked, we would see a linear decline in cases. The same should go with CO2 and temperature, higher CO2 leads to higher temps but when the data does not fit, you see all the bullshit excuses.

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/fe...mperature4.php

Of greater concern to Hansen than global warming skeptics is the problem of global warming itself. If greenhouse gases are to blame then why did Earth's average temperature cool from 1940-1970? And why has the rate of global warming accelerated since 1978? Hansen's answers to these questions brought him full circle to where he began his investigation more than 40 years ago.

"I think the cooling that Earth experienced through the middle of the twentieth century was due in part to natural variability," he said. "But there's another factor made by humans which probably contributed, and could even be the dominant cause: aerosols."

https://www.winterwatch.net/2021/02/...-winter-phase/

The biggest driver of the Earth's climate is the Sun, not carbon emissions. The Sun controls 99.5% of climate, not trace CO2.

Climatologists have also theorized that Sun-spot activity follows cyclical trends. Right now, Sun-spot activity is very diminished and diminishing. This will rapidly manifest as colder weather. Furthermore, historic cyclical temperature patterns indicate the Earth is on schedule for a 30-years cooling trend, which will likely include four extreme troughs with virtually no Sun-spot activity, or cold so extreme that it's as though your thermostat shuts down in the winter.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-thats-normal/

The current cooling episode is mostly the result of a reversal of waters in the Tropical Pacific, which can modulate global temperature. Since the Pacific Ocean is our largest global body of water, what it does makes a big difference on global climate. Temperature anomalies hit record peaks in 2016 but have been sliding since then.

So after pounding home that rising CO2 leads to rising temperatures, we see the "scientists" reach for straws when the data does not go their way. The climate is totally dependent on CO2 levels except for natural variability, aerosols, the Pacific Ocean, and this just in, the sun.

The irony is that I am using your data and your "scientists" excuses when the data does not go their way. What else is there to do but just personally attack me and get involved in partisan politics?

[MarquisdeSade1]

Great post FL! So if the vaccine lived up to its 95% efficacy and seeing as how we are about 60% vaccinated, the number of cases should have gone from about 20 million to about 10 million. Furthermore, as people were vaccinated, the number of cases should have gone down in direct correlation to how many were vaccinated, I. E. Fewer cases in October than March. That did not happen.

And the most vaccinated countries in the world (Israel, Ireland, and Gibraltar) should have seen near complete eradication of the virus. Instead they have all dealt with new severe outbreaks requiring lockdowns.

So what did Fauci and the "scientists" do? The same thing the "scientists" who spoke of global warming did. They changed the name. For global warming, it was "scientists" changing the name to climate change when the earth quit heating up and here the focus was not on percent effectiveness with stopping new cases but preventing death and hospitalization. You are 11 X less likely to die if vaccinated they say.

I do not get that last part because if we have more deaths in 2021 and over half the population is vaccinated and the death rates are higher in 2021, the only way those numbers add up is if the unvaccinated had to deal with a virus like 11 X more potent right?

In the late 70's the media was screaming that the "scientists" were sounding the alarm that the next ice age was 10-20 yrs away.

Yes ice age? ROTFLMAO.

I am no expert on "climate science" but I can easily see it is a political issue.

With a large anti capitalism segment and I suspect a huge campaign from the CCP to con western countries.

To pass stricter environmental laws, so that it will be easier for everyone just to move all global manufacturing to lawless CCP land.

Politics and science don't mix well.

Case in point, the CCP plague of 2019.

[JustTK]

How much of the global spread of the CCP plague is attributable to the "PPE" they are selling? ROTFLMFAO.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/30/h...DEm0d-l8_JOc5Y

When are you going to realise that no one can read your linked articles? Who TF would make a subsrcription to the NYT?

[MarquisdeSade1]

LOL. There was never a discussion with you. All it takes is to expand the data to show you are full of shit. Here you go douche: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51235105.

Look at the graphs. Europe is in a massive upswing while SA, and North America, the Middle East, and Asia are down. Why is that douche? A Republican convention in Europe? Europeans quit using masks? And why the down trend in South America after they loosened up?

"I am not answering you Elvis." Well how about answering the data douche?

Look at world wide cases. Despite the vaccine, social distancing, and masks ETC, the TOTAL number of world cases has gone from 84 million at the end of 2020 to 258 million. That is an increase of 174 million so 2021 has more than double the number of cases as 2020, and we are not even done with this year yet. This data is what you and every contagious disease specialist define as "bearing fruit"? You are so fucking stupid you are running around declaring victory when it is clear you do not know what the fuck you are talking about. If you and the contagious disease specialists are proud of these numbers, you should be hung.

So that was the goal of the global lockdowns, a doubling of cases in 2021? Yeesh. We destroyed the world economy for nothing.

Okay, douche, put your money where your mouth is: how many cases will there be in 2022, and what do you define as success? Show everyone how gutless you are and do not answer the question.

How much of the global spread of the CCP plague is attributable to the "PPE" they are selling? ROTFLMFAO.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/30/h...DEm0d-l8_JOc5Y

Not unlike the vax they were selling which was made from sewer water.

[ScatManDoo]

So what did Fauci and the "scientists" do? The same thing the "scientists" who spoke of global warming did. They changed the name. For global warming, it was "scientists" changing the name to climate change when the earth quit heating up

As usual, you are flat out wrong.

Unfortunately the earth's temperature continues to rise.

What fake news reports the earth has stopped heating up?

The truth is that our planet is still getting warmer.

IPCC climate report: Earth is warmer than it's been in 125,000 years.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02179-1

[Mr Enternational]

Patience folks. Your new jabs are coming soon.

https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...ft-2021-11-30/

[PVMonger]

Great post FL! So if the vaccine lived up to its 95% efficacy and seeing as how we are about 60% vaccinated, the number of cases should have gone from about 20 million to about 10 million. Furthermore, as people were vaccinated, the number of cases should have gone down in direct correlation to how many were vaccinated, I. E. Fewer cases in October than March. That did not happen.

And the most vaccinated countries in the world (Israel, Ireland, and Gibraltar) should have seen near complete eradication of the virus. Instead they have all dealt with new severe outbreaks requiring lockdowns.

So what did Fauci and the "scientists" do? The same thing the "scientists" who spoke of global warming did. They changed the name. For global warming, it was "scientists" changing the name to climate change when the earth quit heating up and here the focus was not on percent effectiveness with stopping new cases but preventing death and hospitalization. You are 11 X less likely to die if vaccinated they say.

I do not get that last part because if we have more deaths in 2021 and over half the population is vaccinated and the death rates are higher in 2021, the only way those numbers add up is if the unvaccinated had to deal with a virus like 11 X more potent right?..

Everyone on this board knows that you are an anti-science, anti-vax, anti-everything RethugliKKKan.

You were probably cheering when, at one of the former guy's post-election-loss propaganda events, he was booed when he suggested to the "crowd" that they get vaccinated. 74 million Americans were duped in 2020 and they are too ignorant to realize it.

[Villainy]

And the most vaccinated countries in the world (Israel, Ireland, and Gibraltar) should have seen near complete eradication of the virus. Instead they have all dealt with new severe outbreaks requiring lockdowns.

Israel and Ireland are the most vaccinated countries in the world? Simply not even close to being true.

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations This is just one source, the rest that I looked at all say the same thing.

Cuba is far more heavily vaccinated than Ireland or Israel (just to give one example).

I agree Gibraltar is heavily vaccinated but sheesh there are only 33,000 people living there. Hell, Elvis my family has more cousins than that.

I understand you have your looney tunes arguments to make and facts and statistics just get in the way. So you make up your own.

I know. I know. I must be a Democratic douche. Afterall I believe in math, statistics and science; and I don't believe in the latest ravings from the Elvis school of make-believe.