Stupid shit in Medellin

[Paulie97]

The whole notion that you can't compare Sweden to Peru though based on demographics falls apart if you know three facts. The virus hits the elderly worse than they young. The median age in Sweden is 40. The median age in Peru is 27. So if anything, Peru should be having a lower death rate given that it has a younger population and implemented the Draconian measures you Democrats wanted, but the numbers do not bear that out.

You can compare Sweden to Peru on a monger board all you want. This though will never change the fact that you are using a non-squitur. Compare Sweden to their neighhors, who have similar demographics and societal constructs, and your argument instantly folds. With Peru some of it relates to societal constructs, but ultimately it's all non-compliance. 40% of Peruvians don't have refrigerators. They are used to crowding in markets. Articles on this are legion. Social distancing, masks, and stay at home orders hardly happened. That destroys your comparison, no matter how long you want to hang out here flopping around like a fish on the shore.

Again, this is a mindless Democratic talking point when you dive into the numbers. Look at this graph comparing Covid to the 1918 pandemic: https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/i...?itok=NJQ1-nGM.

What do Democrats and a 102 year old flu have to do with the price of rice in China? Talk about a goal post shift. Why not go back to the Bubonic Plague? You'the get a lot more mileage that way. Covid isn't the flu, nor does it have anything to do with flus in our generation. It's killing a lot more people, as JJBee62 showed you with credible stats. There are also long term health consequences of Covid, brain, heart, lungs, kidney that aren't typically found with the flu.

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/2...-immune-system

The emphasis then should have been on people who are in their 20's and younger to isolate themselves from the elderly not shutting down schools and preventing young, healthy athletes from competing.

Even though a lot of athletes have been testing positive.

In fact, I have had four chicas from four different countries in their 20's tell me that they are absolutely terrified of getting corona and dying, and THAT fear is a fucking conspiracy, and that shit does not wash off easily, and I don't like it when fear porn gets in the way of my getting laid.

There ya go, the source of all the passion and dogged determination from this guy. Well damn, Covid is hampering his ability to buy cheap Latin American pussy. Such high priorities in life, I rest my case.

And anyone spreading this fear bullshit to people in their 20's and younger is either a hard core Democrat or not getting laid.

There have been younger people that have died from this. There's evidence of long term consequences, in the matter of the young and old. But there are some young people that aren't out only for themselves, want to protect others so they are inclined to social distance and wear masks. But since this is all about you, and how the Democrats are picking on you and Trump, I don't expect you to grab ahold of that. It's well beyond your tiny, me oriented existence.

[Elvis 2008]

Back to all those numbers you seem to be afraid of.

Oh please, if you compare Sweden's numbers to Peru, the Swedish policy is a success. If you compare it to South Korea, it was not.

The whole notion that you can't compare Sweden to Peru though based on demographics falls apart if you know three facts. The virus hits the elderly worse than they young. The median age in Sweden is 40. The median age in Peru is 27. So if anything, Peru should be having a lower death rate given that it has a younger population and implemented the Draconian measures you Democrats wanted, but the numbers do not bear that out.

The information they've been collecting for the past 17 years, easily debunks the "no worse than the flu" noise you've been making. It also can easily be used to demonstrate the current administration has not excelled in their handling of the crisis. Which means, according to your reasoning, 17 years ago, every health agency, every hospital administrator, from the smallest public hospital to the CDC and the NIH, signed on to a conspiracy to make Donald Trump look bad in 2020.

Again, this is a mindless Democratic talking point when you dive into the numbers. Look at this graph comparing Covid to the 1918 pandemic: https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/i...?itok=NJQ1-nGM.

By the way, the ratio of death not the number but the ratio of death demographically due to seasonal flu and the flu of 1918 is pretty similar. So yeah, Covid is way way worse for people over 85 than the flu and I would go as far to say it is worse for people over 60 but when you start talking about people in their 20's? FUCK NO! It is not even close.

The emphasis then should have been on people who are in their 20's and younger to isolate themselves from the elderly not shutting down schools and preventing young, healthy athletes from competing. That makes no sense at all unless you look at things from a political POV.

In fact, I have had four chicas from four different countries in their 20's tell me that they are absolutely terrified of getting corona and dying, and THAT fear is a fucking conspiracy, and that shit does not wash off easily, and I don't like it when fear porn gets in the way of my getting laid.

So how do I know you are not getting laid? Because anyone who is sexually active has to deal with this fear porn.

And anyone spreading this fear bullshit to people in their 20's and younger is either a hard core Democrat or not getting laid.

So that is my stereotype and I am sticking to it!!

[JjBee62]

It is "All over the place" because comparing those two counties puts a wrench in your liberal, Democratic bullshit. The fact is that you had two countries try extremely different methods against the virus and both had terrible results. However, Peru's horrible results does not fit into the Democratic agenda so to paraphrase you, "Peru does not count because Peru sucks."

The real agenda is not mentioned, which is to destroy the world economy and get Trump out of office, and the Peruvian method most certainly devastated their economy. That you link an Irish newspaper quoting an anti-Trump American think tank commenting on a Swedish economy projection begs the question, "Why are you Democrats so invested in saying Sweden was a failure?

Because it wasn't. The Swedish economy actually grew in Q1 despite negative projections, and you Democrats cannot have that: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/29/coro...t-quarter.html.

It was never destroy the economy to save lives. It was always use the virus to destroy the world economy period and on that, it is mission accomplished.

The only question left is if you, JJBee, and Black Page are going to form a group where you whack off to a picture of Nancy Pelosi.

Back to all those numbers you seem to be afraid of.

Flu Serve Net was set up in 2003, to collect data about influenza around the US. Data is provided by every state and territory health department, who get their data from count health departments, who get the data from the hospitals, doctors and labs. Part of it is the ILI Surveillance System (Influenza Like Illness). A useful tool, unless you're a useless tool.

Unfortunately, the information they've been collecting for the past 17 years, easily debunks the "no worse than the flu" noise you've been making. It also can easily be used to demonstrate the current administration has not excelled in their handling of the crisis. Which means, according to your reasoning, 17 years ago, every health agency, every hospital administrator, from the smallest public hospital to the CDC and the NIH, signed on to a conspiracy to make Donald Trump look bad in 2020. It means that when George W. Bush pushed to develop a pandemic response, and when Obama built upon that, they did it knowing their efforts would be used to discredit Trump in 2020. Of course we also have to include the WHO and practically every government in almost every country, all falsifying everything in order to make Trump look bad.

Apparently, the "keep Donald Trump from saving the world" conspiracy, not only involves nearly 7. 5 billion people, they also have a motherfucking time machine.

I need to get onboard with that. I just recently saw that incredibly hot cheerleader from my high school days. She's pushing 300 pounds and looks hideous. I need to get that time machine, go back and fuck her and get her off the path that turned her into a blob.

[JjBee62]

As of today.

https://www.oxfam.org/en/world-brink...ons-starvation

You'll get that. Every time there is any problem in the news, every one looking for donations sticks out their hand. The guy who I've seen begging every day for the past 8 months changed his cardboard sign to say "Lost job to corona. Please help. " Before the sign said "I could really use a beer. ".

[JjBee62]

Depression.

Their is a strong correlation between boredom leading to depression. There is not a study for every damn thing and most studies are BS! This one is pretty much common sense really, if you have it. Nobody can go to a restaurant, movie, bar, gym, park, or visit family in retirement facility. Kids can not play with their friends and some will not see their friends if and when schools start up again. I remember being a kid out every day. I can not imagine what these kids are going through. People lost their retirement in the stock market, lost jobs, many about to be evicted. You are saying the current way of life is not boring you and / or causing you some depression? Even the super rich are effected in some form.

https://study.com/academy/lesson/the...epression.html

Hunger.

With closed borders and ports many countries can not get the pesticides to kill one of the largest locust swarms on record. This article is a month old. Locusts are now in India.

https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/...frica/locusts/

Many farmers and ranchers are having problems getting their products to market. Hard to get feed for their stock and seeds to plant. Many migrants can not move from state to state of country to country to ready the soil, plant the seeds, or harvest the product with borders and ports closed.

Suicide and the world economy. This will show up years from now.

JjBee62. You know girls were sending money to their families in Venezuela. Venezuela had it rough before the virus. How bad do you think it is there now? Twice as bad? Three times as bad? You think those girls are not depressed as hell that they can not help their families like they once could before? So many guys on this board thought they could come in July. Then August. Who knows when. You think they are depressed? Based on what I have read and heard I believe the United States is 3 times worse than when I left 4 months ago.

Now here is something else for you to worry about: Hand sanitizers!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...ed-people.html

I haven't bothered to chase down the survey, I only heard it mentioned briefly on the radio yesterday. Apparently, a majority of couples responded to the survey that the forced togetherness has improved their relationship, rather than worsened it. A majority also responded they had learned things about their partner.

My anecdotal evidence is something I began to notice back in April. I spend about 63 hours every week driving, more if there are backups due to construction, accidents, weather, or people simply being lousy drivers. I have an excellent point of view into the cars that pass me by. For several years I've complained that cellphones have taken the fun out of driving. Before the smart phone, couples on road trips got bored, which often resulted in them finding ways to entertain themselves. I kept track one year and about once every 4 days some woman would flash her tits at me. Occasionally they'd flash pussy or ass. I've had them drive alongside me for miles, tits out and fingering. Couples would drive along with the woman giving head, even fucking, which was impressive. Add it all together and if I was driving, I was almost guaranteed to see at least some good, old-fashioned road head daily.

That all disappeared when everyone began living with their phone in their hand. Once every 4 days dropped to once or twice a year. Road head? Almost completely disappeared. Even couples holding hands while driving became rare. In early April I noticed a trend. Even though traffic was way down, couples being affectionate were becoming common again. Haven't seen any increase in titty flashers, but road head I'm seeing about 3 times a week. Couples holding hands, or thighs has gone from a few times a week to about every hour.

If you're in a strong relationship, adversity tends to strengthen it. Weak relationships can go either way.

Overall, I don't see the depression going that bad right now. Suicide rate in the US rose by 35% between 1999 and 2018. Roughly 2% annually, although I doubt it is a smooth curve.

Certainly there will be an increase in suicides and some of the increase will be attributed to the shutdown. Any disaster is going to push some people over the edge. But a doubling or tripling of the suicide rate isn't likely. I'd be shocked if the rate for 2020 is more than 5% above 2019. However, we'll have to wait awhile, 2019 numbers aren't out yet. Here's an article that notes the likelihood of an increase, without being alarmist.

https://www.usnews.com/news/healthie...virus-pandemic

The current situation isn't boring me. It's affected my life somewhat, although not in a significant way. That's mainly because I'm self-supporting. Not just in the economic sense, but emotionally as well. I don't require outside validation. I've got several Colombianas who I talk to every day. Most of them will send me a picture or video. Afterwards they almost always ask twice if I liked it. That's twice after I already told them I liked it. They require that ego boost. I don't. That's also why flirting and complimenting the women works so well. Their self-worth is tied up with what other people think about them.

Don't get me wrong. I get a warm, fuzzy feeling when I get a compliment. But that's like dessert. I eat every day, but I seldom have dessert. It's great when I do, but I rarely go looking for it.

I imagine all the leisure classes are bored and somewhat depressed. They're the ones mostly affected by the shutdown. They can't jet off to Istanbul on a whim. They can't be out being seen, and having their pictures pop-up in the media.

The people who put in 40-60 hours a week aren't noticing. They're still heading to the lake on the weekend to do some fishing or boating. They're still handling projects around the house. They're still mowing the lawn and washing the windows.

Back in March, before the shutdown, I wrote about the weakness of the US supply chain. Our systems have been deteriorating for decades. Part of the reason is profit. We've cut regulations across the board, not because the regulations are unnecessary, but because they cut into profits. We've weakened every wall that supports our economy, because immediate gratification is more important than sustainability. If not the coronavirus, it would be something else coming along. Droughts, wildfires, flooding, extreme weather, locusts. We've decimated our ability to withstand adversity.

Look at the meat processing fiasco. Meat processing facilities should have been the least affected by Coronavirus outbreaks. These are the people who are actually touching the food that you eat. Shouldn't they have already been wearing masks, gloves, tyvek suits and frequently sanitizing everything? That used to be required. I know, I've done it. 2 pairs of gloves, disposable coveralls, plastic shoe covers, facemask, eye protection and face shield. Not anymore. All those things cost money, so we got the USDA to eliminate most of the requirements. If all those employees were so quickly able to spread the disease at work, just imagine what you've been eating.

You've pointed out all the effects of shutdowns, without recognizing the pre-existing conditions. The countries you listed have all been dealing with these problems for years. We haven't tried to fix them. In most cases we've made them worse. Once everything is opened back up, we're still not going to try and fix the underlying problems. The next disease, the next typhoon, the next war and we'll be in the same place.

I'll ask this question again. Where were you on all these issues last year? 10 years ago? Where will you be on them next year? Have you been calling your Congressmen telling them to normalize relations with Venezuela? Or Cuba? Have you been asking them to strengthen regulations which we need to protect our supply chain? Have you called for increased support of UN efforts to eradicate poverty, disease and hunger? Have you called for the US to open up our borders to more refugees?

You're pointing out all of these issues to support your position, without actually being in favor (I assume) of doing what's needed to address the issues.

I enjoy your approach. It's an appeal to reason. However, it comes off as a campaign speech to me. It approaches the problem from one side and assumes one solution. Shake hands, kiss babies and sign a few autographs.

But there's another side of the problem. It's still too early for a definitive statement, but it appears we're about to surge off the charts. I'm certain you're smart enough to recognize the increase in cases isn't from increased testing. We're well below reaching a saturation point, even if we did 100% random testing. 100,000 new cases per day? 4,000 deaths per day? These are possibilities and potentially conservative numbers. Imagine those numbers if we open up all the schools. What happens to the numbers when you combine the flu season with a coronavirus outbreak that's out of control?

Like it or not, the US is headed for another shutdown and it's going to be much worse than the first one.

I want this shit show over with at least as much as you do. If we had maintained the shutdown through July, we'd be looking at a much brighter picture right now.

[Black Page]

Instead of addressing the numbers, all you can think about is me and my penis.

Everyone speaks on topics where he is feels stronger to provide arguments.

[Paulie97]

Truer words are seldom spoken. Been following this discussion and agree spot on Elvis.

The Tall Man.

I'm sure that Elvis is pleased to have a "me too" reply or co-signer. But you are the guy that wanted to fight and whip all the Fase Dos bouncers at once, right? Gotcha amigo. Keep on truckin.

[Paulie97]

It is "All over the place" because comparing those two counties puts a wrench in your liberal, Democratic bullshit. The fact is that you had two countries try extremely different methods against the virus and both had terrible results. However, Peru's horrible results does not fit into the Democratic agenda so to paraphrase you, "Peru does not count because Peru sucks."

The real agenda is not mentioned, which is to destroy the world economy and get Trump out of office, and the Peruvian method most certainly devastated their economy. That you link an Irish newspaper quoting an anti-Trump American think tank commenting on a Swedish economy projection begs the question, "Why are you Democrats so invested in saying Sweden was a failure?.

Not surprisingly you quoted my thesis statement but cut out / ignored my evidence that supported it. For the sake of the readers I'll post it again:

"Sweden is best compared to their Nordic neighbors because there are great similarities with demographics and the way their societies are constructed. Like the rest of Western Europe all are seeing a decline in confirmed Covid cases and deaths. But these are the death totals as of today, Sweden 5,500, Norway 252, Denmark 600 (sic), & Finland 329. All are doing pretty well at the moment, but Sweden in their foolishness arguably caused the needless deaths of 1000's of their citizens, and with no economic benefits to show for it."

That's a whole lot of senseless death as a result of a failed experiment that virtually every contagious disease specialist in the world warned against, don't ya think? Here is the source for the numbers, though I had a typo on Denmark, it's actually 609.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries.

And no, they are not part of some worldwide, every corner of the globe conspiracy to get Trump out of office, Rothchilds, New World Order, Moon Landing Hoax, Bigfoot, or even alien abductions.

https://www.worldometers.info/about/

On the Irish Times recent article, published Thursday this week, a history of criticizing Trump hardly discredits a source. With all the silly things the latter says it takes a team of creative lawyers performing Houdiniesque gymnastics and abrupt departures just to try and break even with the press. Plus there are plenty of conservatives that oppose his isolationist trade policies. Regardless of the messenger though, the article was correct.

Your CNBC article was published in May and is old news. And a slight gain of 0. 1% in GDP is hardly worth boosting Sweden's body count 10 to 20 times higher than each of their Nordic neighbors (See above). But here's the new information. The Swedish national bank, Riksbank on July 1 published their forecasts for 2020 and expect a GDP decline, -4.5%, down from the 1.3% expected gain assessed back in February. Unemployment is expected to rise from the 7% assessed in February to 8.7. So is Riksbank cooking the numbers to pick on Trump? Your Swedish model is a done deal, and Norway and Denmark know this as Swedes are banned from tourism.

https://www.reuters.com/article/swed...-idUSS3N2AC001

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52853556

And yes, Peru has had a load of non-compliance with lockdown measures, as has Colombia and the US. That's all common knowledge. Lockdowns minus compliance aren't really lockdowns. That destroyed your thesis with the monumental reach, Sweden versus Peru before you ever got off the ground.

Now pick a short phrase from this post as a launching pad, ignore all the uncomfortable facts, and get to screaming about conspiracy theories and playing the victim for Trump by proxy. If you do that long enough maybe the facts you find so troubling will melt away, just like the virus was supposed melt away in the summer heat. How's it going over there in Texas?

P.S. Don't ever take on a debate in a formal and / or academic setting, unless you can handle getting loudly laughed off the stage. Stay right where you are. Heck you even got a few co-signers here. Impressive!

[JjBee62]

It is "All over the place" because comparing those two counties puts a wrench in your liberal, Democratic bullshit. The fact is that you had two countries try extremely different methods against the virus and both had terrible results. However, Peru's horrible results does not fit into the Democratic agenda so to paraphrase you, "Peru does not count because Peru sucks."

The real agenda is not mentioned, which is to destroy the world economy and get Trump out of office, and the Peruvian method most certainly devastated their economy. That you link an Irish newspaper quoting an anti-Trump American think tank commenting on a Swedish economy projection begs the question, "Why are you Democrats so invested in saying Sweden was a failure?

Because it wasn't. The Swedish economy actually grew in Q1 despite negative projections, and you Democrats cannot have that: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/29/coro...t-quarter.html..

Strange.

You ask for numbers. I provide you numbers. Instead of addressing the numbers, all you can think about is me and my penis. Are you certain your sex life is going great? Because, I would think dreaming about me masturbating would be somewhere below the top 2 of things to do today.

No sense in a new post for your other one.

Why not ask around? Read the board. I'd be interested in a little informal poll. I'm always happy to read what people think about my writing, even when the reviews aren't overly kind.

How about it? Chime in and tell me.

1. Fuck off JJBee. I'm sick of reading your shit.

2. Sometimes it's okay, sometimes it sucks, more bad than good.

3. Sometimes it's okay, sometimes it sucks, more good than bad.

4. Generally it's okay, but you're still an asshole.

5. I love it! I can't wait to see more! (Your hangover is going to be epic).

While we wait for results, shall I describe whacking off for you? Just to help with the visualization.

[The Tall Man]

It is "All over the place" because comparing those two counties puts a wrench in your liberal, Democratic bullshit. The fact is that you had two countries try extremely different methods against the virus and both had terrible results. However, Peru's horrible results does not fit into the Democratic agenda so to paraphrase you, "Peru does not count because Peru sucks."

The real agenda is not mentioned, which is to destroy the world economy and get Trump out of office, and the Peruvian method most certainly devastated their economy. That you link an Irish newspaper quoting an anti-Trump American think tank commenting on a Swedish economy projection begs the question, "Why are you Democrats so invested in saying Sweden was a failure?

Because it wasn't. The Swedish economy actually grew in Q1 despite negative projections, and you Democrats cannot have that: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/29/coro...t-quarter.html..

Truer words are seldom spoken. Been following this discussion and agree spot on Elvis.

The Tall Man.

[Elvis 2008]

However, when I write I'm writing for myself.

Yeah, I think most people get that.

[Elvis 2008]

You are all over the place pitting Sweden against Peru.

It is "All over the place" because comparing those two counties puts a wrench in your liberal, Democratic bullshit. The fact is that you had two countries try extremely different methods against the virus and both had terrible results. However, Peru's horrible results does not fit into the Democratic agenda so to paraphrase you, "Peru does not count because Peru sucks."

The real agenda is not mentioned, which is to destroy the world economy and get Trump out of office, and the Peruvian method most certainly devastated their economy. That you link an Irish newspaper quoting an anti-Trump American think tank commenting on a Swedish economy projection begs the question, "Why are you Democrats so invested in saying Sweden was a failure?

Because it wasn't. The Swedish economy actually grew in Q1 despite negative projections, and you Democrats cannot have that: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/29/coro...t-quarter.html.

It was never destroy the economy to save lives. It was always use the virus to destroy the world economy period and on that, it is mission accomplished.

The only question left is if you, JJBee, and Black Page are going to form a group where you whack off to a picture of Nancy Pelosi.

[LoveItHere69]

As of today.

https://www.oxfam.org/en/world-brink...ons-starvation

[LoveItHere69]

Depression.

Their is a strong correlation between boredom leading to depression. There is not a study for every damn thing and most studies are BS! This one is pretty much common sense really, if you have it. Nobody can go to a restaurant, movie, bar, gym, park, or visit family in retirement facility. Kids can not play with their friends and some will not see their friends if and when schools start up again. I remember being a kid out every day. I can not imagine what these kids are going through. People lost their retirement in the stock market, lost jobs, many about to be evicted. You are saying the current way of life is not boring you and / or causing you some depression? Even the super rich are effected in some form.

https://study.com/academy/lesson/the...epression.html

Hunger.

With closed borders and ports many countries can not get the pesticides to kill one of the largest locust swarms on record. This article is a month old. Locusts are now in India.

https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/...frica/locusts/

Many farmers and ranchers are having problems getting their products to market. Hard to get feed for their stock and seeds to plant. Many migrants can not move from state to state of country to country to ready the soil, plant the seeds, or harvest the product with borders and ports closed.

Suicide and the world economy. This will show up years from now.

JjBee62. You know girls were sending money to their families in Venezuela. Venezuela had it rough before the virus. How bad do you think it is there now? Twice as bad? Three times as bad? You think those girls are not depressed as hell that they can not help their families like they once could before? So many guys on this board thought they could come in July. Then August. Who knows when. You think they are depressed? Based on what I have read and heard I believe the United States is 3 times worse than when I left 4 months ago.

Now here is something else for you to worry about: Hand sanitizers!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...ed-people.html

[JjBee62]

Dear J, I loved to read all your posts. Well written and admirably argumented. This citation of Schroedinger is worth an Award by itself.

The only problem is that a long and logical message as yours is useless for those who need it, but needless for those who can understand it.
An old professor of my university once told a dumb student "if you need me to explain this, then you cannot understand my explanation".

Thank you. I'm aware of the contradiction. However, when I write I'm writing for myself. I enjoy the process of combining research with consideration to hopefully produce something either informative or entertaining. Although I'm certain my critics will say I fail in both areas.