Stupid shit in Medellin

[Osteoknot]

I don't see why it's even relevant. When did we just start letting old people die?

80-90% of health care expenditures in the United States go towards hospitalization of old people in the final two years of their life. The USA spends double of any country in the world per capita on health care yet our outcome measures are not in the Top Ten. We also spend more on health care as a percentage (I think in the mid-twenties, not sure) of GDP than any other country in the world at an increasing rate that will eventually bankrupt the country. To me, you sound like someone who is making an emotional argument and projecting because you are in the age group under discussion.

The USA Ranks last in a measure of health care access and quality, indicating higher rates of amenable mortality than peer countries by the World Health Organization.

We have improved longevity without concentrating on quality of life.

One common error I see (of the many) argued here about Covid is that people confuse population health with individual health, or probably even more, don't understand the difference or even know there is a difference.

I won't respond directly to anyone's post about this, there is not one person taking an overall cohesive overall stance on this topic. The only recent post that came close was RamsButt or whatever his name is, his insane sounding rant was actually closer to the truth than anyone has acknowledged, but I think he is basing that on intuition and not knowledge, which is okay.

You are all a pack of rabid Pit Bulls who jumped into a pool of jungle piranha, and you don't know what you don't know.

Carry on like I know you will. Geez.

[JustTK]

But the mortality of the originally more lethal strains was all the way as high as 20% in the unvaxed 80+ yr olds and perhaps 0. 2% or less in the 40's. A hundred fold variance, but even then 1:500 is a larger risk than most for a 40 yr old when the discussed outcome is well, death.

Yes, but those are made up percentages, right Gene? Reuters say that the USA has had 50.000 deaths of people with no comorbidities. And stats show that only 58.000 deaths in USA have been people below 50 years old. I haven't see those stats combined in to one but would be interesting to know how few they are.

Thinking about these stats, one can see that the pandemic is really caused by poor health and the aged, right? Should the rest suffer for these 2 groups? ... and if so, for how long?

[Huacho]

The only person I know of here that is concerned about side effects is Elvis, and he already got vaxd. Who else is there?

I meant the majority of the general public, not the majority of we fairly crazed mongers on this board. I don't really think our cohort is very representative of the general public.

[JustTK]

double vaxxed and boosted ... No side effects for me. ... I'm pretty old but anyone who thinks I am feeble is cordially invited to show up and find out. Since this is ISG, I think 'old' should be defined as 'your dick does not work any more. ' I think it was Willie Nelson who said his greatest fear was outliving his dick. So when that has happened I will be fine with TK and Ram putting a bullet in my brain.

Who are you to say? Ever heard of the expression. A pig dones't smell its own shlt? Meaning people are not the best judges of their own characters.

Old is defined as when your dick no longer functions. Interestingly I am just watching a video on the subject of disability being a social construct. So for example, if you cannot walk (or FK in the case of people here), are you disabled? A strong argument can be made that a person is only disabled if society doesn't accommodate them very well. So 'the good life' can lived with viagra and you would be accommodated on that basis. Hehe.

I think a majority of people talking about side effects fall into one of two categories: pussies who think a sore arm from an injection is a "side effect," and pussies who are too afraid of needles to get a shot, and seek any excuse to avoid it. So, combining the two categories, the common thread is that unvaxxed people are pussies.

I couldn't say. The only person I know of here that is concerned about side effects is Elvis, and he already got vaxd. Who else is there?

[GeneHickman]

Many were younger as in 78 years old? You won't come up with an average of 81 with a bunch of 20, 40, or even 65 year olds. If you had 9 85 year olds and 1 20 year old, then the average would be 78.5. Or maybe your idea of many is less than 10% were younger.

When this thing is knocking off a bunch of 80's and 90's yr olds, like a significant majority then yes you can have many 40's, 50's and 60's and still land at 81.157 k is a large number. No one is arguing about whether this is more lethal in the elderly. But the mortality of the originally more lethal strains was all the way as high as 20% in the unvaxed 80+ yr olds and perhaps 0. 2% or less in the 40's. A hundred fold variance, but even then 1:500 is a larger risk than most for a 40 yr old when the discussed outcome is well, death.

[Huacho]

What would obviously be much better than getting vaccinated would be to let a committee composed of TK and Ram. They could just review who was too old and feeble to be any fun any more and just shoot them. I'm pretty old but anyone who thinks I am feeble is cordially invited to show up and find out. Since this is ISG, I think 'old' should be defined as 'your dick does not work any more. ' I think it was Willie Nelson who said his greatest fear was outliving his dick. So when that has happened I will be fine with TK and Ram putting a bullet in my brain.

In the meantime, double vaxxed and boosted here, free to travel. You deniers can just continue to face more and more restrictions. I'm too old for that and don't have enough time left for restrictions. So I get vaxxed. No side effects for me. I think a majority of people talking about side effects fall into one of two categories: pussies who think a sore arm from an injection is a "side effect," and pussies who are too afraid of needles to get a shot, and seek any excuse to avoid it. So, combining the two categories, the common thread is that unvaxxed people are pussies.

[RamDavidson84]

I say we hunt them all down and shoot them. Or start some concentration camps in the countryside and send all the over 80's off on trains to their doom. Thats probably for the best.

Haha, that may be a little extreme for me. I only advocate for no vaccine mandates and no more senseless restrictions or covid travel tests.

[JustTK]

Old people die Huacho LOL. Let people live while they are healthy and if you are at risk, you should be the one quarantining. Not shutting society down for people who are on their death beds anyway.

I say we hunt them all down and shoot them. Or start some concentration camps in the countryside and send all the over 80's off on trains to their doom. Thats probably for the best.

[RamDavidson84]

I don't see why it's even relevant. When did we just start letting old people die?

Old people die Huacho LOL. It's part of life. You can't make all of society suffer for a virus we haven't been able to control for over 2 years. At this point anyone advocating for vaccine mandates or crazy restrictions is not thinking clearly and following the "science". Even besides the "science", the people have spoke, no one gives a fuck anymore. Let people live while they are healthy and if you are at risk, you should be the one quarantining. Not shutting society down for people who are on their death beds anyway.

[Huacho]

You do realize that average means many were younger too right?

I don't see why it's even relevant. When did we just start letting old people die?

[JustTK]

So 88% had comorbidities? The majority were old? What's the news here?
You do realize that average means many were younger too right?

Yes, only 12% of the deaths had no REPORTED comorbidities, and the average age of those was 81+ years. Sure there no doubt were afew outliers, but there can't have been many for the avge to be 81+.

This is official news. It came from a Free of Information Application in UK. I don't know about you folks, but based solely on the evidence of the response from the UK Govt and these results, it seems to have been a huge overreaction and scaremongering to protect the old and fragile.

[Huacho]

Many were younger as in 78 years old? You won't come up with an average of 81 with a bunch of 20, 40, or even 65 year olds.

And does the article state whether the "average" is the mean or the median? Because the median of this series is also 81:16, 17,18, 81,81, 81,81.

Plus almost all old people have co-morbidities.

[MarquisdeSade1]

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...ral_crime.html

[Mr Enternational]

So 88% had comorbidities? The majority were old? What's the news here?

You do realize that average means many were younger too right?

Many were younger as in 78 years old? You won't come up with an average of 81 with a bunch of 20, 40, or even 65 year olds. If you had 9 85 year olds and 1 20 year old, then the average would be 78.5. Or maybe your idea of many is less than 10% were younger.

[GeneHickman]

Another one for Elvis.

Superb discussion. Have you heard much of Brett Weinstein? Intelligence is one thing he is not lacking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU_KpBzFrcY

Did you also hear about the key stat coming out of UK? That of the 155.000 reported COVID deaths in UK since start of pandemic, only 17.000 were of people with no previous co-mobidities recognised (but perhaps they did have them, who knows? And the avge ag was 81+ years old. Astonishing. And where is the reporting? We all know by now.

So 88% had comorbidities? The majority were old? What's the news here?

You do realize that average means many were younger too right?