Stupid shit in Medellin

[RamDavidson84]

I'm glad I skipped making fun of your other post. This will be more fun.

1. When is a man at his best, his prime? Who decides? What is this sexual marketplace you speak of? If you're including paying for sex, then a man is at his prime whenever he can afford "the most highly desirable women. " A broken down wreck of a man who won $200 million in the lottery just needs some grooming, new clothes and a Yacht and he's in his prime. A fat 50+ man living off daddy's money is in his prime too.

To continue, in your other post, you seem to be saying that you can only get 5-6 range girls, unless you go to Colombia and pay a 7-8 girl. And you can't get a 9-10 at all. Yet, you seem to be suggesting you're in your prime.

When I was in my prime, by your definition, getting a 7-8, on your scale was simple. No money required. Getting a 9-10, again on your scale, was almost as easy, it just took a few minutes more to get their attention.

2. I can state my occupation and I'm not "deemed to be successful. " I can show my income and I'm deemed to be successful. However, only the shallowest of men does either of those things when dealing with women. Success is an attitude not a number. Happiness I have in abundance. For the rest, ask my friends and family. Be careful how you phrase your questions. One of my best friends made a joke that appeared to be insulting and he got buried by irate responses from my other friends.

It's happened here on ISG. Some guy in his prime posts bullshit about me and someone who I helped out jumps down his throat.

If you're relying on paystubs, mortgages and your 401 k to convince women to fuck you, it's no wonder you can't move up from the 5-6 range without pulling out cash. Women want to fuck. They don't want to fuck a bank account, a W-2 or even a Ferrari. They want to fuck a guy who can leave their legs quivering. They want to fuck a guy who makes them feel good about themselves. And that's nothing more than the most basic of sales techniques.

3. This is just bullshit, except for gay men. A lot of gay men seem to be into that look. Women? Not as much. Clean? Well groomed? Confident? Well spoken? Funny? Sincere? Those things will get you into more panties than your gym membership.

Louis L'Amour wrote something like "man's greatest advantage in the war between the sexes is the curiosity of women. " It's as simple as that.

You're the one complicating things. Why add a 1-10 rating? As you said it's completely subjective. A few simple adjectives paint a clearer picture. Why include numbers in the scale that are not in your range. 6 of the 10 numbers on your scale you either won't fuck, or can't fuck. That's like having a 0-100 speedometer that won't go below 40 or above 80.

Look at how complicated you made it:

First, the 1-10 scale must be established by the most desirable men, who will rate the most desirable women, but first the most desirable women have to decide who the most desirable men are. Next you state that you're not one of the most desirable men, but you have your own scale, even though you have no interest, or ability to get the most desirable women.

I've kept it simple, as simple as possible.

1. Do I want to fuck her?

2. Is she worth my time?

And a follow-up:

3. Was she worth my time.

You're over there trying to decide if a low 5 is actually a 5, or if she's really a 4 based upon what you think someone, who you consider better than you, would think about her. At the same time you're debating whether you're willing to not get laid and just wait until you can afford to go to Colombia for something you can afford.

Props to you bro. You must have been the man when you were younger taking down 7-8's and you say you took down 9-10's with ease as well. Now I don't know you but few guys take down 9-10's for casual sex with ease. Those guys are alphas and they are rare. If you were one of those guys, props to you bro, but I do wonder about how truthful you are being with that one.

Just being real and I think a lot of guys will resonate with what I state here about the women I can fuck. In my 20's I got 7-8's with some regularity. Had some girlfriends who were also in the range. Now close to 40, I can still get a 7-8 to fuck, but it has to come with real emotional attachment and a true commitment somewhere down the line. Without a commitment and just a random fuck, the 7-8's are kinda out of my range at this point unless I am batting 100 and really on my game. I could make another run at it and I am planning it. I got to the point where I was really pissing girls off by fucking them and then ghosting them and it wasn't cool on top of the fact you get a bad rep in town for constantly doing it. Another problem is I am a member of the local community, I am known and due to my employment, I really can't be a life long tinder guy just out trying to bone every chick who pops up on there. By the end of my 20's I already had a bad reputation for that in town and at some point you do have to grow up and you can't be running around like that openly.

My solution to this dilemma is travel and take down them gems, treat them right, play the game right, keep it safe and no one gets hurt.

As to the other stuff, whatever makes you happy BJ69. Define success however you want. The reason I use 1-10 and not 5-10 is because a lot of guys will fuck the girls in the 1-4 range, so I keep it in the scale even though personally I don't fuck with girls below a 5. All I am really trying to get at is, we all can use the 1-10 scale to just get a general idea of where to find the type of girls were looking for. It's just weird to me guys get so offended and insecure if someone wants to give a girl a number rating. I don't get it. Why do you care so much if a guy wants to use that scale to exchange information.

[JjBee62]

You are not married to her, nor you don't have kids with her. You don't even live in the same country. What makes you think she will patiently wait for you to come back? If she is good looking, she will get snatched before you know it.

Again, what does any of that matter? I'll give you an example from my wife's (my wife more than 30 years ago, died from cancer) best friend. She met a guy, fell hard for him, wanted to have him for herself, but he didn't want to settle down. She stopped taking the pill, got pregnant, and got him to marry her that way. Kid was barely 3 months old when he split.

Being married to someone, having kids with them, or living together guarantees nothing. That's something everyone who has ever had a relationship learns. Relationships are built on much more than fucking someone (and it's bizarre that you define a relationship as having regular sex with someone).

Why does she need to wait patiently for me? She's got school, she's got training, she has her pets to take care of, and of course there's her family. In addition she's in the process of opening a brick and mortar business with her family. It's much different than a girl who depends on fucking to make money so she can afford to party. You seem to believe that women have no purpose in life unless they're fucking a man. Weird.

"If she's good looking", there it is again. The implication that only ugly women would ever have anything to do with me. Are you basing that on the PMs you received from a certain other ISG member, telling you how ugly and misshapen I am? He's certainly entitled to his opinion, and to run around whispering about me like he's training for the passive-aggressive Olympics, but his opinions are not widely accepted.

As for her being "snatched up", again you seem to know nothing about women. She might meet someone, go out with him, fall for him and that will be it. Big deal. First, in order for that to be a possibility, you're once again declaring she's in a relationship with me. Next, that's what I'm hoping for, for her future. I want her to grow, learn, become successful and meet an equally successful man who will treat her well, marry her and raise a family with her. I don't own her, I don't want to keep her until I die. For now our paths run parallel. At some point in the future they will diverge. I think anyone who has ever had any relationship understands that.

Why? Because you literally have it written on your forehead. Do you think people who are not prostitutes are dumb enough not to understand what's going on and why you and other gringos frequent Colombia? Give me a break.

Why would a webcam model showing her pussy or fucking on camera for money refuse to share an apartment with a sex tourist? I think is it a perfect match, "I don't judge you, you don't judge me" type of situation. And why would her boyfriend let her do what she does for living? Because he is a loser and can't provide, and obviously could care less if she lives with a gringo sex tourist.

You've never seen my forehead.

Do you honestly believe I run around declaring to everyone "I'm looking for hookers?

You're familiar with elevator etiquette in Colombia? Whenever someone gets on or off the elevator there's an exchange of courtesies. "Buen theía", "hasta luego", it confused me at first, because in the US, nobody speaks or makes eye contact.

Living in a high-rise, I often bumped into other residents, people with their kids and pets. Once I opened my mouth, everyone knew I was a gringo. Would you encourage your child to practice her English with an obvious sex tourist? Would you strike up a conversation with him in front of your wife?

Colombians love Colombia. They think Colombia is wonderful and beautiful. Most, at least that I've met, are thrilled that foreigners come to their country and appreciate all it has to offer. Not one person, who was not connected with prostitution, has ever suggested anything to me about sex tourism. Shit, at the urging of a friend, a taxi driver invited us into his house and introduced us to his wife and granddaughters. He was driving us around Paris and pointed out his house. My friend told him to stop and asked if we could see his home. Do you invite obvious sex tourists into your home with your granddaughters? Assuming your granddaughter didn't die from the raccoon attack.

My roommate's boyfriend was an engineer and professor at National University in Bogota. Her current boyfriend emigrated (before they met) to a first world country, where she lives now. They own property on 2 continents.

Add webcam models to the lengthy list of things you know nothing about. She was finishing her BS when I was there, and has since earned a graduate degree. Like most of the successful webcam models I've met, she comes from a good family (it's a work ethic thing. The lower economic classes don't seem to have a good work ethic. The middle class seems to understand the value of working every day towards your goals).

So no. She didn't assume I was a sex tourist. Her mother, father, grandmother, brother and stepmother didn't assume I was a sex tourist. Maybe because I've never been a sex tourist. She knew me as someone who was respectful, well-mannered, protective and funny, all from my visits to her webcam. While her father may have been skeptical at first, he talked to me (yet another reason to learn the language) and I got his approval. Her mother loved me from the start, because she had told her all about me. Plus, she tasted some of my cooking and almost 6 years later is still raving about it.

Because you know so little, let me fill you in on my behavior when I was watching and working in webcams. I was never the guy saying "show me", or anything sexual. Instead I treated everyone the same as I would treat anyone. I'd just talk, be respectful and make jokes. If someone else was rude, I'd tell them to be respectful. It's how I got asked to work. I took a chat room of guys saying "show me your tits" and turned it into a bunch of friends all chatting and laughing. The "Show me" guys rarely spend any money. The guys who feel appreciated and accepted do spend money.

Many webcam customers are guys who can't talk to women, they have no social life. They're lonely and trying to fill the emptiness. Seeing a naked woman doesn't compare to having a normal conversation with a naked woman while a bunch of friends are all having a good time with you.

You could not even answer a simple question.

I answered a simple question. I gave an honest answer, which turned a potential tense moment, into something to laugh about. That's all part of social interaction. Maybe one day you'll experience it.

Al Pacino is a celebrity multi-millionaire. He is one leg in the grave, and his GF and their kid will be set for life once he passes away.

I'm again wondering how anyone ever hired you to do any job. You know nothing and have no interest in learning anything. You just blurt out whatever bullshit crosses your mind.

The woman has her own money and it doesn't appear the relationship is still ongoing. He may or may not provide any support, but it's certain the woman and child won't receive everything when he dies.

Once again you missed the point. You've said such a large age gap can't work, yet it's easy to find examples where it does work.

Touched on the subject? LOL. What commitment are we talking about? You are a sex tourist, and I hope she is not dumb enough to marry your ass, let alone have kids with you. What is she going to inherit once you die? A semi-truck? Will she be ready to take care of your ass once your health deteriorates?

It's amazing watching how your mind works. It's like watching an engine blow in super slow motion.

Last June she came for a short visit. Less than 2 months later she came for a longer visit. That visit was originally planned to last for 5 months. Naturally we discussed the possibility of making that stay permanent. It's part of trying to accumulate knowledge and being prepared for the future.

However, see&BP has the final say on anything. When she entered, they decided she could only stay for 7 weeks. We went through the appeal process, I paid the fee, she went in to get fingerprinted and we waited until the last week for their decision, before getting a return ticket. I've got a letter right here from DHS saying they approved the extension and she could stay for 5 months. The date on the approval was 5 months after the 5 months ended. Government efficiency.

Why would she inherit anything? If we did get married and we did have kids, she'd get the right to live and work in the US. If I died, she'd get a big enough payday from the insurance to retire comfortably back in Colombia, or to ensure her future in the US.

When my health deteriorates? You already declared I have 1 foot in the grave. Make up your mind (or better plan, stop making shit up).

This means she was barely 18 years old (or even younger?) when you first met. She was (and still is) just a kid. While you are an old pervert. You could find someone more mature and suitable for your age, a woman in her 30's or 40's, but instead you picked a girl who just graduated high school. And while you were waiting for 18 months to fuck her, I'm sure you you didn't observe celibacy.

You literally just said that one good reason for a man your age to see prostitutes was because he was married. Now you want to judge me?

If an 18, or 20 year old is "just a kid", how is it acceptable for a 30-40 year old man to be fucking them? You understand you shot yourself in the foot again? You keep grasping at straws and just keep contradicting yourself.

I'll fill in the details.

When we first started talking she was 17. She said she was 18, her sister confirmed that she was 18. I didn't even realize it until last year when I needed a copy of her passport. However, we were just talking, not even talking about sex. I know that's not something you can understand, but it's possible to talk to a woman without discussing anything sexual (or in your case without asking how much she'll charge you for sex).

She turned 18 about 2 months before we first met, which I believed was 19. However, our contact was limited to 4 quick hugs (at airport, in front of my apartment, at the restaurant and at her car after dinner. All 4 were chaperoned by her sister, who got the same hugs. The first time we kissed was shortly before 19 and she was halfway through 19 before we had sex.

I was never "waiting to fuck her. " Again we're venturing into completely alien territory for you, so I'll try to simplify it.

When we were first talking, we were just online acquaintances. When we first met in person we were just casual friends. 8 months later we were friends showing interest in becoming friends with benefits. 9 months later we were FWBs deciding whether or not to make it something more. A few months later the decision was made.

If you say "Hello," to a woman do you immediately take a vow of celibacy? Waiting pure and chaste until you figure out that she was just being polite? If you have a conversation with a woman do you immediately start shopping for an engagement ring? Seems a bit premature.

I didn't "pick a girl. " I got on speaking terms with a lot of women. While my motives weren't entirely pure, I wasn't seeking anything in particular. It turned out we enjoyed each other's company. Later, it turned out we enjoyed each other physically as well. Then it turned out we enjoyed being emotionally supportive of each other.

So, now you claim yourself a guru who knows what a woman wants and how to arouse them through their mind? LOL. I guess time to sell pickup courses.

No. I know how to talk to women. More importantly, I know how to listen to women. Once you have those 2 skills, finding out what a woman wants is simple. Although, if you can't speak Spanish, you will never get there.

Perhaps the most damning thing, in all of your statements which illustrate your lack of knowledge about women, is you scoffing at the idea of arousing a woman through her mind.

Arousal comes from the mind. Sure, you can rub your dick and get it hard, but what do you think is causing you to wake with an erection? That's all coming from your mind, which seems to be the only time your mind does anything useful.

Sticking your hand between a woman's legs and fumbling around is frequently painful to the woman. Dry skin rubbing dry sensitive skin isn't a pleasant thing for most. You're like Eric Idle in the sex education scene in "Meaning of Life. ".

If you're doing it right, long before you touch anything, a woman's panties are going to be soaked. If you only deal with prostitutes there's no need to understand that. The smart ones lube up because they know you probably won't have a clue. Of course, paying by the hour does put limits on what you can accomplish.

After all that it's time for the big questions. You've already confirmed, multiple times and in multiple ways, you believe I have a relationship with the girl who I refer to as my girlfriend.

Why does it matter? Whether she's "ugly af" or gorgeous, whether she's 20 or 40, whether we live together, get married, or have kids, why does it matter so much to you?

What is it about me being in a relationship which causes such a huge disruption in your life? In what way is my interaction with a woman you've never met, creating trauma for you?

Before you you claim it doesn't matter to you, do something you never do, think. This is at least the second time you've ventured down this road. When it comes to the material on ISG there is nothing more important to you than the fact that I have a girlfriend.

Why? Why go through all the mental gymnastics trying to prove something that you can't prove?

[MiamiBoy1]

What does living in Colombia full time have to do with anything? While it does limit the amount of time we spend fucking, it also requires both of us to put in more effort. Until my father's death, my mother was married to a man who spent 9 months of every year halfway around the world, fighting a war in Vietnam, and he didn't have Whatsapp. They could only communicate through letters which took several weeks to arrive. Yet somehow they had a relationship which netted 5 kids.

You are not married to her, nor you don't have kids with her. You don't even live in the same country. What makes you think she will patiently wait for you to come back? If she is good looking, she will get snatched before you know it.

Why would she think I'm a sex tourist? If you had spent any significant time in Colombia, meeting people who weren't prostitutes, you would realize that most Colombians think nothing of the sort.

Why? Because you literally have it written on your forehead. Do you think people who are not prostitutes are dumb enough not to understand what's going on and why you and other gringos frequent Colombia? Give me a break.

For 10 months I shared an apartment with a webcam model. We've been friends ever since. I've met her entire family. I just saw them all again over Christmas and Valentine's Day. Not one of them had any issue with me living in the same apartment with her. Even her boyfriend at the time, had no problems with it. If they all think every gringo is a sex tourist, would that have been acceptable?

Why would a webcam model showing her pussy or fucking on camera for money refuse to share an apartment with a sex tourist? I think is it a perfect match, "I don't judge you, you don't judge me" type of situation. And why would her boyfriend let her do what she does for living? Because he is a loser and can't provide, and obviously could care less if she lives with a gringo sex tourist.

Funny thing is, when I was with the old roommate and her father, somehow the subject came up. My roommate asked if I had ever paid someone for sex. I told her that women always make men pay for sex, 1 way or another.

You could not even answer a simple question.

Women care very little about any age gap. Put on a movie with an older leading man and women aren't shy about how sexy they think he is. Shit, AL Pacino is 82, and he's not looking very good at 82, but he's got a 29 year old woman carrying his child. Last year everyone was griping about Leonardo Decaprio dating women 30+ years younger. Back when I was in high school a bunch of 14-18 girls drooled over a teacher who was in his 40's.

Al Pacino is a celebrity multi-millionaire. He is one leg in the grave, and his GF and their kid will be set for life once he passes away.

Who has declared I won't commit to anything serious? It wasn't me and last time I checked, I'm the only one who gets to make that decision. I'm not shopping for rings, but we have touched on the subject. However, I don't expect that to happen.

Touched on the subject? LOL. What commitment are we talking about? You are a sex tourist, and I hope she is not dumb enough to marry your ass, let alone have kids with you. What is she going to inherit once you die? A semi-truck? Will she be ready to take care of your ass once your health deteriorates?

This might come as a surprise to you, since you've clearly only had sex with prostitutes, but most women don't expect to be paid for sex. Most women would be offended by the suggestion of being paid for sex. However, most women aren't giving it up for free either. They want something in return. I started giving it to her the moment I decided she was worth the effort. Although I had flirted with her, like I do with most women, I hadn't pushed her towards anything sexual. She was the one who first steered our conversation to sex. That was what sealed the deal, although it took us another 18 months to get it into the bedroom. I wish I had saved that conversation.

This means she was barely 18 years old (or even younger?) when you first met. She was (and still is) just a kid. While you are an old pervert. You could find someone more mature and suitable for your age, a woman in her 30's or 40's, but instead you picked a girl who just graduated high school. And while you were waiting for 18 months to fuck her, I'm sure you you didn't observe celibacy.

But what is it that women want? What payment is more effective than cash? They want to feel valued. They want to feel respected. They want someone to get them aroused through their mind, instead of fumbling around in their panties.

So, now you claim yourself a guru who knows what a woman wants and how to arouse them through their mind? LOL. I guess time to sell pickup courses.

[AfternoonSnack]

With today's sex toys, no man can compete on strictly sexual satisfaction. You've got to bring something else to the table. If you don't have any personality, bring plenty of cash.

With today's sex toys, no man has an excuse for being bad in bed. If you have a hitachi magic wand and one of those clit stimulators you're 90% of the way there. I can't believe how many women think I'm amazing in bed just because I pick the right toys and know where the on / off switch is.

[JjBee62]

Nope. I have a lot of gay friends. They are all different types AND they all have different types same as straight men and any people for that matter.

Man, woman, straight, gay, bi. Every possible preference is represented. If I made a fake account for a dating site with a 350# woman with bad acne and toenail fungus, there would be guys trying to set up a date within 24 hours.

Never heard this but I think it is 100% true. For some reason chicks always say I am mysterious and I guess that is what makes them more curious. Besides that, I never tell them what they want to hear like most guys probably do. I tell them shit that is against the grain or they will disagree with.

In the streets we used to say she hates my fucking guts but she loves my pimpin. Chicks are used to guys trying to butter them up and use money, but come from a different angle and they become curious, which leads to said advantage. But it is all in personality. You can read all the pick up artist books you want, but personality can not be taught. Some of the shit that I naturally say or do would seem really weird coming from other people that I know because it is not their personality.

With today's sex toys, no man can compete on strictly sexual satisfaction. You've got to bring something else to the table. If you don't have any personality, bring plenty of cash.

[JjBee62]

Raccoons don't tend to hang out at local parks. You're thinking of pigeons.

Raccoons also carry rabies and will bite. Don't even have a granddaughter yet and you've already declared you'll endanger her life. Stick with the hookers.

[SubCmdr]

Ahh yes and here come the comments from the old peanut gallery. Elvis have you ever noticed how no one ever speaks to you, but you feel it necessary to chime in on stuff that has nothing to do with, flaming a fire that was almost out of fuel. But then again that is what a troll does, and you my friend, are the definition of a troll.

Anyways I see the admin isn't doing his job again, so let the attacking and derogatory trolling comments continue if that's what floats your boat LOL.

Chao.

Now I get what is the deal with Elvis 2008. He found a sparing partner. I knows I am going to keep responding. And I am not going to let his illogical posts stand unanswered. It is not problem for me because I write the way I piss. It is easy for me. Where as Elvis 2008 talks a lot of shit and practices what he preaches.

I was not even going to say this, you and Mr. E had a discussion. Mr. E thinks his way is the right way. He gets average looking women to fall for him and says he has real relationships while other guys pay for sex. When others pay or up their game to get the most in demand women, IMO I think he is jealous. Still, I have no problem accepting his POV because even though it is different than mine, it is logical.

Your boy Mr. E said "pussy is pussy" along with:

Pussy is pussy to guys who been getting laid. You just started sleeping with women 2 years ago so its still unique and brand new to you.

So the idea is not unique to me. Either you have low reading compression skills or you just choose to ignore what others have written in order to stay in the ring with with me. Got to respect you though. You are taking your beating like a unloved step child well. And you keep coming back for more.

Mr. E is way more intelligent that you and has no reason to be jealous of you. The mere fact that you think he is are the thoughts of a stone cold narcissist. Mr. E is not lying his dick. You very well could be Elvis 2008..

Dramafree is killing it with the women in Mexico, and I am in Colombia on a farm North of Bogota with my gal and her family having a blast.

Sang said the women in Medellin are spoiled and materialistic and Tall Man and I agreed. Let the Medellin morons have Medellin. There is gold to be found elsewhere.

JJbee, you got some competition now with a new mouth and his War and Peace novels. Maybe you two should go on a date. Last one to shut up wins.

If you are really in Bogota right now having a great time, how do you have time to post in a Medellin thread?

Finally, figure out who you are. You step to me initially screaming names at me like a man child now your are acting like a girly man with your passive aggressive bullshit. Man Up! Or just leave the building. You don't even know what it means to be a capitalist. You do not determine who is a winner. Take your narcissistic ass of the building please and give the rest of us "paz and tranqulidad" we deserve.

How you like me now?

[JjBee62]

Great list! Except for #10, these are all the activities I will do if or when I have a granddaughter. We will go to Disney, eat ice cream, play Jenga, feed raccoons at the local park, I will read her fairy tales before bedtime.

Raccoons don't tend to hang out at local parks. You're thinking of pigeons.

[JjBee62]

And what does this have to do with a monger who does not live in Colombia full time? Why would a young attractive girl give it up for free, if she knows the gringo is a sex tourist (like it or not, gringos coming to Colombia are deemed as sex tourists) and will not commit to anything serious?

Also, what age gap are you talking about? 10 years? 20 years? 30 or even 40 years? Do you realize that if a girl is 20 and her Romeo is 60, they are two generations apart, meaning that her parents are young enough to be his kids? If we are talking about a real relationship, this kind of gap is fucked up in any country. The dude is one leg in the grave, and there is no guarantee she will inherit any of his shit when he dies. Now, what I call an acceptable age gap, which is the norm in any culture, is up to 10-15 years. Lets say she is 20, he is 30-35. They are still technically of the same generation. By 30-35 most men are mature enough, have careers and are able to provide. And still be in great shape. No need to date grandpas.

In p4 p, age gap doesn't matter that much, because you are a paying customer, and she needs your money. You still can get pussy, but, the older you are, the more you will be charged (in a free market), especially if you want quality. Some girls won't sleep with an older dude even if he offers much more than a going rate. Some girls would throw some crazy number, hoping he would fuck off.

Funny thing. I spent Christmas with her mother, grandmother, aunt, great aunt, great uncle, sister, sister's boyfriend and of course her. Her mother is much too old to be my daughter. Nobody seemed to think it was fucked up.

I'm going to bounce around a bit in addressing the various points in this latest proof of your insanity.

What does living in Colombia full time have to do with anything? While it does limit the amount of time we spend fucking, it also requires both of us to put in more effort. Until my father's death, my mother was married to a man who spent 9 months of every year halfway around the world, fighting a war in Vietnam, and he didn't have Whatsapp. They could only communicate through letters which took several weeks to arrive. Yet somehow they had a relationship which netted 5 kids.

Why would she think I'm a sex tourist? If you had spent any significant time in Colombia, meeting people who weren't prostitutes, you would realize that most Colombians think nothing of the sort.

For 10 months I shared an apartment with a webcam model. We've been friends ever since. I've met her entire family. I just saw them all again over Christmas and Valentine's Day. Not one of them had any issue with me living in the same apartment with her. Even her boyfriend at the time, had no problems with it. If they all think every gringo is a sex tourist, would that have been acceptable?

Funny thing is, when I was with the old roommate and her father, somehow the subject came up. My roommate asked if I had ever paid someone for sex. I told her that women always make men pay for sex, 1 way or another.

Women care very little about any age gap. Put on a movie with an older leading man and women aren't shy about how sexy they think he is. Shit, AL Pacino is 82, and he's not looking very good at 82, but he's got a 29 year old woman carrying his child. Last year everyone was griping about Leonardo Decaprio dating women 30+ years younger. Back when I was in high school a bunch of 14-18 girls drooled over a teacher who was in his 40's.

And this has been going on forever. Until fairly recently, if an old man's wife died, there was no shortage of father's offering up their teen daughters, even if he wasn't wealthy. That still happens within certain communities.

You seem to think women have no interest in anything beyond a man's age and his fitness level. I understand why you think that. It's because you have nothing to offer. However, most women are looking for something more.

Who has declared I won't commit to anything serious? It wasn't me and last time I checked, I'm the only one who gets to make that decision. I'm not shopping for rings, but we have touched on the subject. However, I don't expect that to happen.

This might come as a surprise to you, since you've clearly only had sex with prostitutes, but most women don't expect to be paid for sex. Most women would be offended by the suggestion of being paid for sex. However, most women aren't giving it up for free either. They want something in return. I started giving it to her the moment I decided she was worth the effort. Although I had flirted with her, like I do with most women, I hadn't pushed her towards anything sexual. She was the one who first steered our conversation to sex. That was what sealed the deal, although it took us another 18 months to get it into the bedroom. I wish I had saved that conversation.

But what is it that women want? What payment is more effective than cash? They want to feel valued. They want to feel respected. They want someone to get them aroused through their mind, instead of fumbling around in their panties.

Of course there are other benefits, but until you learn at least something about women, there's no sense in listing them.

I'm not going to elaborate, but it's obvious you don't even understand P4 P.

[JjBee62]

JB. Every time for write your dumb reports you prove our points. You are truly a bitter and angry dude.

Why Elvis and M. Boy waste their time debating with you and the other clowns I will never understand.

That's the best you can do? You claim guys wouldn't know what to do with a "hot chick", yet when faced with a list of options you go and hide in the closet?

[JjBee62]

Something is wrong? LOL. If someone under 50 is paying for pussy, this should be none of your concern, because as you said it, my money, my dick. There are various reasons why someone in his prime age pays for pussy. Maybe he has no time nor desire to start a real relationship, too focused on career / work to invest time and effort in building one. Maybe he is married or just got out of a marriage / relationship and doesn't need any commitments. Maybe just for the sake of adventure, hunt, or convenience.

Why do you need to start a relationship to fuck a woman without paying for sex? It baffles me every time you blurt it out. Do you have to buy a house every time you visit a new city?

In my 30's and early 40's I was working 70-100 hours per week. During the summer I'd frequently work 30-40 days straight without a day off. Other than Sundays, most days I was working 12 to 20 hours. On top of that I rarely started my day in the same time zone as the previous day. Yet, at least once per week I'd find the time to meet a girl and fuck.

Almost every night I'd get online, chat with as many women as possible and get them interested. If I was headed to Eugene, Oregon, I'd hit up Tina and tell her I'm going to be close to her next Tuesday. Tuesday evening I'd let her know when I was done for the day, she'd pick me up, we'd eat, fuck and have our fun and in the morning I'd be heading out to Phoenix, or Denver, and Patty, or Angie.

There were always women thrilled to meet up. Some were just lunch or dinner, a few ended up being multi-day fuckfests. Most of them ended up in bed with me. I had regulars in a few cities I visited often, others I only saw once. All of them knew I wasn't getting into a relationship with them.

Should the admins set a minimum age requirement of 50 for all ISG members then, because there is something wrong with younger mongers?

But I think we both would agree on this. The wider the age gap, the more difficult it becomes to develop a real relationship or just hooking up with someone on a non-p4 p basis, and the more necessary it becomes to pay to cover the age gap. Therefore, I don't believe fairy tales about older dudes dating girls 40 years younger, unless these girls are ugly af and can't find a better alternative.

The only effect the age gap has is that it requires more effort to find a suitable partner, either for recreational sex, or a relationship. Developing a relationship is the same process, regardless of age gap.

I've posted this several times. Other than to break a taboo, or from boredom, I didn't do p4 p until after I hit 50. From 43-48 I was in a swinging relationship. My girl and I averaged fucking with 2 or 3 other couples every week. After we split, I went back to dating, but putting in the same effort as before wasn't yielding the same results. Finding women to fuck was just ad easy, but either they weren't much interest to me, or they came with too much baggage.

I didn't feel like increasing my effort, so I turned to P4 P. Then Medellin opened my eyes. I was still doing P4 P, but I was also making friends with the girls and saw the potential for something more.

The start of the pandemic canceled my trip. Since I had to wait, I set a goal: Try to connect with girls who were completely outside the P4 P circle. It turned out to be ridiculously easy. All the schools were closed, many women with jobs were out of work, stuck at home. So they jumped online. TikTok went crazy as well as all the livestream platforms. Suddenly, all those young women were trying to make some money and fight the boredom by just sitting (fully clothed) in front of a camera and chatting with strangers.

And there I was, with 30 years experience of chatting with strangers. To make it even easier, I knew Colombia, especially Medellin and I could chat in Spanish. I was collecting Whatsapp numbers from girls all over Colombia, but I mainly focused on Medellin.

I wasn't some guy 30 or 40 years older than them. I was a guy who knew about their city, a guy who made them laugh, entertained them and made them happy. I was the guy they were hoping would show up whenever they got online.

Eventually, I settled on 10 girls to focus on, 7 in Medellin, 1 in Bogota, 1 in Cartagena and 1 in Cucuta. That ended up being just 6 in Medellin. Of the 6, 1 was the girl in the recent picture, 1 is my girlfriend, the other 4 were her sister, 1 of her friends and 2 of her sister's friends. The 2 I decided to focus on were the girl in the picture and the GF.

When I could finally get to Medellin, the GF offered to pick me up at the airport. By that time she knew what I looked like and knew my age. She showed up with her sister and they drove me to Laureles. They didn't ask for gas money, or for money to pay the tolls. They even brought me a couple donuts and made me a "welcome" sign. The next night I took them to dinner.

That was it with her for the trip. The girl in the picture was easier to get into bed and I had other women lined up. I didn't feel like putting time into the GF.

8 months later I was back in Medellin. The GF and I were getting more involved, talking every day. We spent a lot of time together, but always with her sister or friends, until my last day, when we finally spent about 5 minutes making out. They next trip, early last year, sealed the deal. We've been together ever since.

The punchline is that you gave a definition for a relationship, which definitely means we are in a real relationship, by your definition. Yet, even after doing that you claim it's a fairy-tale.

Or she must be "ugly af and can't find a better alternative. " Right? Even though I've posted pics of her on more than 1 occasion and you didn't mention her being ugly once.

We've been through this several times on various subjects. Each time you make a fool of yourself. Remember when you declared that I never post anything useful and almost immediately someone replied that you were full of shit, because of all the useful information they had gotten from my posts?

This is no different. If I was a 60 year old guy who always commented on how great your posts were, and constantly stroked your ego, you'd be congratulating me on the great relationship I have with a 20 year old girl. OTOH, if I was 25, with a 24 year old girlfriend and still calling you out for your bullshit, you'd be claiming it's impossible for me to have a relationship with a girl who was so close to my own age.

[Mr Enternational]

3. This is just bullshit, except for gay men. A lot of gay men seem to be into that look.

Nope. I have a lot of gay friends. They are all different types AND they all have different types same as straight men and any people for that matter.

Louis L'Amour wrote something like "man's greatest advantage in the war between the sexes is the curiosity of women. " It's as simple as that.

Never heard this but I think it is 100% true. For some reason chicks always say I am mysterious and I guess that is what makes them more curious. Besides that, I never tell them what they want to hear like most guys probably do. I tell them shit that is against the grain or they will disagree with.

In the streets we used to say she hates my fucking guts but she loves my pimpin. Chicks are used to guys trying to butter them up and use money, but come from a different angle and they become curious, which leads to said advantage. But it is all in personality. You can read all the pick up artist books you want, but personality can not be taught. Some of the shit that I naturally say or do would seem really weird coming from other people that I know because it is not their personality.

[Elvis 2008]

Here's a question I've been meaning to ask.

Is DramaQueen just Elvis in drag? Same atrophied grasp of English, and logic. Same bitterness.

Bitterness? LOL. You are the loser who spent terabytes trying to say I had dated no beauty queen. Every time I upload a photo you have some bullshit story about her because you are seething with jealousy. And logic? I just posted what my latest experience was coming to Colombia and Dramafree has said he will never return here. Just like with the photos, you do not see where your imagination and reality meet. You must have been dropped too much as a child.

Dramafree is killing it with the women in Mexico, and I am in Colombia on a farm North of Bogota with my gal and her family having a blast. That is unlike the El Centro bars, what your sorry ass thinks the "real Colombia" is.

But MB, DF is right. No point in arguing with these losers who do no want to rate women on a 1 to 10 scale since they are only fucking ugly women. JJBee said guys here cannot date the elite because no elite woman would have shit to do with his old cheap unhealthy ass, and he is so egotistical that he thinks no one can do better than him.

My gal has a cousin who is 18 and is cute. It is amazing all that she does. She makes butters and jams and sells them and has saved up for a trip to Spain. She works as a dental assistant part time and starts university soon. I know no American girl as cute or as skilled. And the country side is teaming with beauties up here.

Sang said the women in Medellin are spoiled and materialistic and Tall Man and I agreed. Let the Medellin morons have Medellin. There is gold to be found elsewhere.

JJbee, you got some competition now with a new mouth and his War and Peace novels. Maybe you two should go on a date. Last one to shut up wins.

[JjBee62]

So this post is just for you JBJBJ. I ll answer some of your questions even though as adult men I find it silly I have to do this for you or any other man.

1. Prime means when something is at its best. Here we are referring to the sexual market place value for men, so a man's prime is when he is at his peak value in the sexual market place meaning he can obtain the most highly desirable women. Men can hit their prime value in the sexual market place at all different ages, but in general this is going to be anywhere from late 20's to early 40's.

2. Generally if a man is deemed to be successful in American society, he has a acquired the necessary skills to obtain lifelong resources in the form of owning property / home, steady salary / cash, and a form of income for when he retires / pension. Success also refers to the man's happiness in regards to his mental health and sense of worth as well as the meaningful relationships he has obtained with friends and family.

3. "Fit" would be a healthy man, he has no afflictions from disease or vice and maintains an aesthetically pleasing physique in the form of low body fat and some form of muscle tone. This doesn't mean a man has to be a bodybuilder, but a dude should not look unhealthy if he wants to hit his peak in regards to his value in the sexual market place.

I'm glad I skipped making fun of your other post. This will be more fun.

1. When is a man at his best, his prime? Who decides? What is this sexual marketplace you speak of? If you're including paying for sex, then a man is at his prime whenever he can afford "the most highly desirable women. " A broken down wreck of a man who won $200 million in the lottery just needs some grooming, new clothes and a Yacht and he's in his prime. A fat 50+ man living off daddy's money is in his prime too.

To continue, in your other post, you seem to be saying that you can only get 5-6 range girls, unless you go to Colombia and pay a 7-8 girl. And you can't get a 9-10 at all. Yet, you seem to be suggesting you're in your prime.

When I was in my prime, by your definition, getting a 7-8, on your scale was simple. No money required. Getting a 9-10, again on your scale, was almost as easy, it just took a few minutes more to get their attention.

2. I can state my occupation and I'm not "deemed to be successful. " I can show my income and I'm deemed to be successful. However, only the shallowest of men does either of those things when dealing with women. Success is an attitude not a number. Happiness I have in abundance. For the rest, ask my friends and family. Be careful how you phrase your questions. One of my best friends made a joke that appeared to be insulting and he got buried by irate responses from my other friends.

It's happened here on ISG. Some guy in his prime posts bullshit about me and someone who I helped out jumps down his throat.

If you're relying on paystubs, mortgages and your 401 k to convince women to fuck you, it's no wonder you can't move up from the 5-6 range without pulling out cash. Women want to fuck. They don't want to fuck a bank account, a W-2 or even a Ferrari. They want to fuck a guy who can leave their legs quivering. They want to fuck a guy who makes them feel good about themselves. And that's nothing more than the most basic of sales techniques.

3. This is just bullshit, except for gay men. A lot of gay men seem to be into that look. Women? Not as much. Clean? Well groomed? Confident? Well spoken? Funny? Sincere? Those things will get you into more panties than your gym membership.

Louis L'Amour wrote something like "man's greatest advantage in the war between the sexes is the curiosity of women. " It's as simple as that.

You're the one complicating things. Why add a 1-10 rating? As you said it's completely subjective. A few simple adjectives paint a clearer picture. Why include numbers in the scale that are not in your range. 6 of the 10 numbers on your scale you either won't fuck, or can't fuck. That's like having a 0-100 speedometer that won't go below 40 or above 80.

Look at how complicated you made it:

First, the 1-10 scale must be established by the most desirable men, who will rate the most desirable women, but first the most desirable women have to decide who the most desirable men are. Next you state that you're not one of the most desirable men, but you have your own scale, even though you have no interest, or ability to get the most desirable women.

I've kept it simple, as simple as possible.

1. Do I want to fuck her?

2. Is she worth my time?

And a follow-up:

3. Was she worth my time.

You're over there trying to decide if a low 5 is actually a 5, or if she's really a 4 based upon what you think someone, who you consider better than you, would think about her. At the same time you're debating whether you're willing to not get laid and just wait until you can afford to go to Colombia for something you can afford.

[Villainy]

And what does this have to do with a monger who does not live in Colombia full time? Why would a young attractive girl give it up for free, if she knows the gringo is a sex tourist (like it or not, gringos coming to Colombia are deemed as sex tourists) and will not commit to anything serious?

Nothing to do with mongering. Apparently you lost track of your own discussion. We are talking about dating and age differences. Your contention is that you won't be able to date beautiful Colombian girls if there is a large age difference. Let me repeat it again. You don't know what you are talking about and you clearly don't know Colombia.

Also, what age gap are you talking about? 10 years? 20 years? 30 or even 40 years? Do you realize that if a girl is 20 and her Romeo is 60, they are two generations apart, meaning that her parents are young enough to be his kids? If we are talking about a real relationship, this kind of gap is fucked up in any country. The dude is one leg in the grave, and there is no guarantee she will inherit any of his shit when he dies. Now, what I call an acceptable age gap, which is the norm in any culture, is up to 10-15 years. Lets say she is 20, he is 30-35. They are still technically of the same generation. By 30-35 most men are mature enough, have careers and are able to provide. And still be in great shape. No need to date grandpas.

You are using the cultural norms you are familiar with in the US. In the US a 60 year old man dating a 25 year old girl is scandalous. She must be (and probably is) a gold-digger. Think Anna Nicole Smith and that millionaire in his 80's from Texas. But, Colombia has a different culture. Girls are not reluctant to date men who are 20,30 and yes maybe even 40 years older than they are. If you knew the country better you might see it for yourself. All you can grasp is paying money to get laid. Have you tried talking to any young women that you are attracted to? Have you asked them for their WhatsApp and started a conversation with any of them? Have you ever been on a date that wasn't a pay-4-play arrangement or as they say here "beneficios mutuos"?

In p4 p, age gap doesn't matter that much, because you are a paying customer, and she needs your money. You still can get pussy, but, the older you are, the more you will be charged (in a free market), especially if you want quality. Some girls won't sleep with an older dude even if he offers much more than a going rate. Some girls would throw some crazy number, hoping he would fuck off.

You must be speaking from your own experience. I can't imagine very many Colombian girls that have a hungry crying baby at home, would turn down a good pay-day because she (like you in your judgement) thinks the guy is too old or unattractive.

If you really want to understand Colombia a little better, why don't you visit and just talk to people and not schedule any prostitute encounters. Just one time. You would be surprised what you might learn about the people, the culture and how people live their lives here. Of course, that might mean setting aside all your preconceived notions and showing a little intellectual curiosity.