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01-20-22 18:17 #3033
Posts: 1775Finally power speaking truth to power!
This is terrific news.
A leader of the Israeli vax / COVID department saying that vax passports should be ended.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnMMYJKZvnU
Basically he says Israel has made mistakes and they have learnt that vaxes do not work in the long term, and natural immunity gives better long term results. He also says with Omicron, the vax gives almost no immunity. BTW Isreal is on to the 4th jab and their cases are higher than ever.
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01-20-22 18:06 #3032
Posts: 5448Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]
It's really quite simple. You've declared, more than once that I had a stroke, now backtracking to a mini-stroke. If I had a stroke, if there was any indication I had a stroke, that finding would be right there. What does it say? Any doctor, any nurse, even any medical transcriptionist can provide the standard medical phrasing for such a diagnosis. You keep pretending to be a doctor, so let's see it. What was the diagnosis?
There are things you have said that you do not attach great importance to that I think are very significant. I just do not tell you what they are, but what do I know?
Since of course a wizard of your caliber (0.177), would never reveal his secrets, I'll ask a different question. How do you know what I attach importance to?
I do no think you know my position on vaccines. Care to state it? Am I antivax or just antivax now?
If you think Biden or anyone's "plan" in government is working, then can I have some of whatever you are smoking?
What I do discuss are things related to getting laid, particularly in Medellin. One of those things is personal safety. At this time, Covid and the questions about vaccination are a big part of personal safety while mongering.
When there are idiots, like you, claiming Covid is no worse than the flu, claiming the vaccines are totally ineffective and just generally providing bad information, which puts the lives of others at risk, I take offense.
Yeah, you really are scoring points with your knowledge and even more with your wisdom but hey maybe we can take an IQ test and if you score higher maybe everyone will think you know all about Covid and health care despite your personal history.
I proposed a bet, more than once, IQ tests for both. If you wish to claim I'm stupid, put your money on it. The results have nothing to do with whether any post, by you or I, contains relevant, factual information. What kind of fool would think it would?
What does my medical history have to do with my knowledge? Are you suggesting that no cardiologist could ever have any type of heart disease? Urologists never get UTIs? Nutritionists never get fat?
This might surprise you, but viruses can't read. They don't read forums looking for people who don't know about them. They don't evaluate a potential host to decide how much that person knows before deciding to infect them.
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01-20-22 17:55 #3031
Posts: 1775Originally Posted by Huacho [View Original Post]
So there are many things to say about this. I will restrict myself to a couple.
1. During the Delta wave. The CDC and mainstream news were all pushing a lie. That the vaccine gives better protection that natural immunity. So now can we have recognition that the media and CDC do push lies in order to support their agendas?
2. The report does not cover length of time since vax. We all know efficacy wanes. Many people in the vaxd group would have been newly vaxd. Hence the performance in the stats will be overstated than if they had run the study now. And the results could (no doubt would) be entirely different.
So now do you accept that I, as a healthy person, have a right to decline a vax and take my risks with the virus? I prefer to seek natural immunity. Hell, I could even get a booster of natural immunity with Omicon! Hehe. My own body is my best defensive weapon.
It will be very interesting to see what the CDC publishes WRT Omicron. It says data will be released this week. . And we must all recognise by now that Omicron is just the latest. There will be many new variants in the future, each with their own set of outcomes. Do you plan to take a course in vax acupuncture to cover all your bases Huacho? Hehe.
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01-20-22 07:21 #3030
Posts: 3215Originally Posted by Huacho [View Original Post]
https://thefederalist.com/2021/11/12...ing-the-virus/
Then you look at the CDC's own site and they say reinfection is rare and they do not have reinfection data: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...infection.html.
"In general, reinfection means a person was infected (got sick) once, recovered, and then later became infected again. Based on what we know from similar viruses, some reinfections are expected."
So the CDC does do not have even one example of Covid reinfection. They know reinfection happens with other viruses though.
Then you have this study. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2108120.
Of 353,000 people who were sick with Covid, allegedly 1300 got reinfected and of those, 4 were hospitalized. None died and none were even in the ICU.
Yes, Haucho, you have drunk so much of the Kool Aid that you are cool with our spending money to vaccinate 353,000 people to prevent 4 reinfections that resulted in hospitalization. Maybe if 350,000 people get vaccinated, we can get that number down to 3.
The definition of reinfection "was defined as the first PCR-positive swab obtained at least 90 days after the primary infection."
But even that definition is not enough because you have to extract out those who have been reinfected versus those who have the virus reactivated. Here is a study where they showed that a number of "reinfected" patients actually were those in whom the virus was reactivated.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8604456/
And that 90 day cutoff was not sufficient to distinguish between reactivation and reinfection. So even 4 out of 353,000 may be too much.
At least in that study, they show 12 examples of people who had Covid and got infected later with a different strain. So there you go there are actually 12 people in the whole world who have been definitely been reinfected with Covid. Thing is that none had two severe infections.
As for why, the answer is here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8025942/.
It seems like if you have a mild case of Covid, your body might not produce any antibodies: This result was strongly associated with disease severity and presence of symptoms. Although 11% of 308 asymptomatic patients did not develop antibodies, none of the 79 patients hospitalized for COVID-19 were seronegative.
So when Dr. McCollough went on Joe Rogan's podcast and said that no one has ever been reinfected with Covid, you could point out that he is wrong here. What is better to say is that no one has proof that anyone has ever had two severe Covid infections and since the Covid vaccine is only supposed to prevent you from having severe disease, what the fuck is the point of giving it?
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01-20-22 02:08 #3029
Posts: 687https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/pa...P1d?li=BBnb7Kz
I'm sure the anti-vaxxers will jump on this. What is says is:
1) During Delta, people with prior infections and no vax did better than people with vax and no prior infection, in terms of infection rate.
2) But vaxxed still did better than unvaxxed with prior infections, in terms of HOSPITALIZATIONS.
3) People who'd had covid and were vaxxed did the best.
4) All this relates to Delta and cannot be extrapolated to Omicron.
From #1 and #3 I'd conclude that natural immunity certainly exists. I never said it didn't, just that I doubted it was as good as being vaxxed. So, this particular fairly large study contradicts what I said here. I'll own that. But focus on #2 and #3, and the conclusion is pretty clear: getting vaxxed helps both the vaxxed person and the hospital system.
#4, of course, is just disturbing but not surprising, since each variant seems fairly different. I'll just go with being double vaxxed and boosted and hope now that I've had three government microchips injected to control my brain and movements instead of just two, maybe they can form some kind of coalition government in my brain.
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01-19-22 20:53 #3028
Posts: 650Choice?
Originally Posted by JustTK [View Original Post]
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01-19-22 20:17 #3027
Posts: 1775Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]
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01-19-22 20:06 #3026
Posts: 1775Originally Posted by PedroMorales [View Original Post]
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01-19-22 14:37 #3025
Posts: 1775Originally Posted by Lou32 [View Original Post]
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01-19-22 14:31 #3024
Posts: 1775Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]
But TBH my position wouldn't change if none of that was true.
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01-19-22 13:33 #3023
Posts: 1056Glen Greenwald John Pilger
Originally Posted by JustTK [View Original Post]
Greenwald's favourites are cute, male Brazilian orphans.
John Pilger is 82. Not Greenwald's type.
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01-19-22 13:05 #3022
Posts: 430Originally Posted by JustTK [View Original Post]
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01-19-22 12:44 #3021
Posts: 1775It's not left v right, it's libertarians v authoritarians
This is a superb analysis of the Djorkovic saga by Glenn Greenwald, and a presentation on that this landmark decision means to Australia and the signals it sends to the rest of the world.
As I have said all along, this is a fight against creeping authoritarianism, not a bttle between left and right. It is right wing governments that are at the heart of this deeply foreboding shift to authritarianism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dJZuAHriNQ
Glenn Greenwald is a real shining beacon in a dark dark world of sycophantic jornalism. He is my facourite, along with John Pilger. He speaks honestly, and puts his own life at risk for the honour of doing the right thing (see Assange, Bolsoonaro, and other handlings of potent leaks). He is also proudly leftist, although the mainstream media have unbelievably and qiute disgustingly started to smear him as having lost his left values. He is so good in fact, that I am quite surprised he is still alive at this stage.
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01-19-22 07:40 #3020
Posts: 3215Originally Posted by JustTK [View Original Post]
What separates the USA is a spirit of dissent. The problem in our country now is the dissent now is not being directed at government or those in government being wrong but whatever your party you are not in. But even then I am not sure whether that is new or those foolish dissenters are getting more air time. The media model to make money is or rather was to sew partisan dissent.
What is happening now is a new model to get to the truth but that does allow media to make money, even huge money, is coming to be. Joe Rogan's interviews with Dr. Malone and McCollough have had an estimated audience of 40 million. Those are not super bowl ratings but playoff ratings. Matt Taibbi and Glen Greenwald are killing it now.
Huacho thinks imitating what a raging talking head on MSNBC says will make him popular because others will think he is knowledgeable about the virus. Is that new? I do not think so. I just think in the past people rolled their eyes at it, and they will again IMO.
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01-19-22 06:46 #3019
Posts: 3215Originally Posted by JjBee62 [View Original Post]
If that makes you feel better, have at it. If that is what happened, it changes nothing from what I have said previously, and I am not going into why.
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