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[Elvis 2008]

Science has progressed a little bit since the 16th century yet some people still believe the earth is flat.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110345

In an ongoing, placebo-controlled, observer-blinded, multinational, pivotal efficacy trial, we randomly assigned 44,165 participants 16 years of age or older and 2264 participants 12 to 15 years of age to receive two 30-956;g doses, at 21 days apart, of BNT162 b2 or placebo.

Reactogenicity events among the participants who were not in the reactogenicity subgroup were reported as adverse events, which resulted in imbalances between the BNT162 b2 group and the placebo group with respect to adverse events (30% vs. 14% related adverse events (24% vs. 6% and severe adverse events (1. 2% vs. 0. 7% New adverse events attributable to BNT162 b2 that were not previously identified in earlier reports included decreased appetite, lethargy, asthenia, malaise, night sweats, and hyperhidrosis. Few participants had serious adverse events or adverse events that led to trial withdrawal.

During the blinded, placebo-controlled period, 15 participants in the BNT162 b2 group and 14 in the placebo group died; during the open-label period, 3 participants in the BNT162 b2 group and 2 in the original placebo group who received BNT162 b2 after unblinding died. None of these deaths were considered to be related to BNT162 b2 by the investigators.

Then there was this study from 9 months earlier.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577

The incidence of serious adverse events was low and was similar in the vaccine and placebo groups.

LOL Whoops!

And this was the line that got the vaccine approved: A two-dose regimen of BNT162 b2 conferred 95% protection against Covid-19 in persons 16 years of age or older.

The science is real, even if you can't understand it.

Yeah, this is such a Democratic douche thing to say by someone who thinks he is super smart because he reads the Times and watches MSNBC. If you told me that mRNA vaccines are the future because of politics, the media, and that people particularly Democratic douches still think of them as wonder drugs that saved millions of lives, we totally agree, but you mentioned science when you meant "science" and when I say "science", I mean political science based on feeling and not data.

Because any sane person who looks at the data and the projections made when the vaccines came out knows the vaccine is / was a fucking joke. Without the 3.5% death rate hysteria made up to get Trump out of office, these vaccines NEVER would have been approved nor should they have been.

And before you say the vaccines "worked" against Covid, keep in mind the all time high number of Covid cases by far were in Spring 2022 one year after the vaccines were made widely available. The boosters were made available because the vaccines were not working.

[AmorPorFavor]

Didn't Bayer say the same thing when they started selling heroin over the counter to treat coughs and headaches? Didn't the universe used to revolve around the earth? Science is always real until it is proven to be dead wrong.

Science has progressed a little bit since the 16th century yet some people still believe the earth is flat.

[Mr Enternational]

The science is real, even if you can't understand it.

Didn't Bayer say the same thing when they started selling heroin over the counter to treat coughs and headaches? Didn't the universe used to revolve around the earth? Science is always real until it is proven to be dead wrong.

[Elvis 2008]

You mean the same as I did not take the last one and did not get sick or anything either? It has been 35 years since I have taken any vaccines. That is when I joined the military. So I do not see myself taking any in the foreseeable future.

Just like military guys have a different perspective on prostitution and foreigners if they have traveled abroad, a lot of the smarter guys in the military are questioning vaccines too.

If vaccines were looked at for what they are, poisons you are trying to get your body used to, instead of as a measure that lowers your immediate risk of disease, the military might be the place for people to get more rational. As it stands now, I was talking to one military man, and the new recruits were just pounded them with vaccines their first day. The military assured the recruits the vaccines were safe, but the next day they had a slew of doctors around checking for side effects. He wondered to himself and later said to me, "Hey, if these vaccines are so safe, why were there so many doctors around the next day?

There was controversy with the MMR vaccine, and there was an autism doctor I knew who questioned it. He was not anti-vaccine but he said why are you packaging three diseases (measles, mumps, rubella) at one time. No one gets all three of those diseases at once in real life. Why don't you split it up? It makes perfect sense if you look at vaccines as mimicking nature and if you look at vaccines as poison you are trying to get used to. I suspect they are lumped together because of money.

The military is one group that could stand up to the drug companies. It would be interesting to see if some general allowed for his soldiers to opt out of getting vaccines and study which group was healthier, the vaxxed or unvaxxed.

After looking at the data from that doctor Paul Thomas, I would suspect the people not getting massive doses of poison all at once would be healthier.

[AmorPorFavor]

You mean the same as I did not take the last one and did not get sick or anything either? It has been 35 years since I have taken any vaccines. That is when I joined the military. So I do not see myself taking any in the foreseeable future. Thanks for the advice though doc.

The science is real, even if you can't understand it.

[Elvis 2008]

No kidding! One of the most outspoken critics of the vaccine (at least on ISG) was first in line to get the CoVid vaccination. Right Elvis?

I got the jab twice. The first was by choice when the vaccine effectively prevented a person from getting Covid.

The second was ten months later when the vaccine did not work and was mandated for travel.

I guess your little brain does not understand the difference between the words voluntary and mandate or the words effective and not effective. All it can handle is provaxx and antivaxx.

Maybe your brain is as alcohol and aluminum soaked as Huacho's is.

[Villainy]

MRNA vaccines are the future. The next pandemic and many other viruses will be attacked using them. Do me a favor and don't take the shot when that time comes ok?

No kidding! One of the most outspoken critics of the vaccine (at least on ISG) was first in line to get the CoVid vaccination. Right Elvis?

[Mr Enternational]

MRNA vaccines are the future. The next pandemic and many other viruses will be attacked using them. Do me a favor and don't take the shot when that time comes ok?

You mean the same as I did not take the last one and did not get sick or anything either? It has been 35 years since I have taken any vaccines. That is when I joined the military. So I do not see myself taking any in the foreseeable future. Thanks for the advice though doc.

[Huacho]

The interesting thing is they did a poll of party affiliation on marriage and sex. There were more Republicans in every group (married men and women, single men) but one. That one was single moms.

I'm just flat out calling bullshit on your poll. Let's see it.

[AmorPorFavor]

No matter how many times people say they are not against vaccination, but this vaccination in particular, they are taunted and labeled this way. I do not recall anyone in this thread saying they were against vaccinations in order for them to be called anti vaxxers. But throw it to see if it sticks.

MRNA vaccines are the future. The next pandemic and many other viruses will be attacked using them. Do me a favor and don't take the shot when that time comes ok?

[Elvis 2008]

I hope that all the anti vaxxers never take another vaccine especially when the next pandemic hits. Its called thinning the herd.

The people who got the Covid vaccine were more likely to die. That is what the science showed. The math models showing Covid saved lives are about as accurate as the ones on global warming. AOC said we were all going to die because of that in 2031, and the global warming nuts fly around in private jets and buy places on the beach at the same time they talk about the oceans swallowing up cities.

And YOU need to get educated on vaccines. Mumps, Rubella, HPV, Hepatits A, chicken pox ETC do not kill people but they are routinely given to children. Vaccines are poisons themselves to elicit an immune response and when they did not elicit enough of an immune response the poisonous elements of mercury were added. Mercury freaked people out so drug companies took that out and added aluminum, which is just as poisonous, but is more PC.

So you may label me antivaxx but really it is dummies like you who paint everyone with a simplistic brush. Do YOU understand the difference between polio / tetanus and chicken pox?

And there was a doctor in Oregon who began noticing how much healthier his unvaccinated patients were. It was so obvious to him that he quit recommending vaccines all together. Of course, his state medical board came after him big time. Drug companies were making too much off vaccines for them not to come after him, so the doctor hired an outside agency to audit his charts, and this is what they found.

Be careful. If you watch this six minute video, you will never take another vaccine again.

https://rumble.com/v106rmt-stunning-...veincredi.html

Yeah, it is amazing what happens when you do not inject poison into the body.

And yeah, gee, I wonder why this is not on youtube. LOL.

And the state medical board did get the license of this doctor, Dr. Paul Thomas at the behest of the drug companies. If you know how medicine really works, this would be expected.

[Elvis 2008]

Leftist LibTards Always Get Personal-- they are the Most Hateful People I have Ever met-- They are Disgusting people-- How many libTurds people have cut you off because of politics? Me, many-- just so nasty-- like my cousin who said I was mentally ill and so many others with TDS. And a Whole other level with Donald J Trump our 47th President.

Yeah, you used to be able to understand why people voted like they did. Now being a Democratic douche is part of their identity. If you are 80 and scared that Republicans are going to cut social security and Medicare, I get why you vote Democrat. But if you are a business owner sick of regulations and high taxes and vote Republican, well, you are just a fucking moron.

The interesting thing is they did a poll of party affiliation on marriage and sex. There were more Republicans in every group (married men and women, single men) but one. That one was single moms. It is why the Democrats push for a nanny state, and a state where government takes up the role of father.

[Elvis 2008]

You would think that, but humans are funny people. Too much of the time there is a go along to get along mentality. And even if someone told the truth who would believe it and moreover who would even care? As JTK pointed out, look what happened to the people that showed skepticism. They were silenced, fired, deplatformed, and ridiculed.

As a matter of fact, when I was teaching 30 years ago this is one of the first things I was told in a totally different district. If you give a kid a failing grade, it will be sent right back to you to change to a passing grade. Speaking of a conspiracy involving hundreds of thousands of people, last year alone in my state there were 123,000 teachers.

Yeah, it is easy to get thousands to fall in line when you control them with money. The reason Fauci was the highest paid government worker was he sucked up to the defense and pharma industries. He knew he could get power by scaring the shit out of people like he did with AIDS. He also was completely in control of the federal research budget so if you were a researcher and you bucked him, you got no money. Then he was the genius scientist that was used to make Trump look stupid in comparison. So Democratic douches who made fun of Trump and bleach made excuses for Fauci "the brilliant scientist" when he flip flopped on masks.

And you have the emails showing censorship of alternate points of view and you have the emails of Fauci calling for taking down the writers of the Great Barrington Declaration. The conspiracy is right there for anyone to see if they open their eyes. And everyone freaked out over a virus with a known 0.2% mortality rate that mutated into something even less potent than that.

[JustTK]

You would think that, but humans are funny people. And even if someone told the truth who would believe it and moreover who would even care? As JTK pointed out, look what happened to the people that showed skepticism. They were silenced, fired, deplatformed, and ridiculed.

You are just listing a load of establishment websites, all parroting the same stats. I could give you 100's more that do the same. But it does nothing to validate your point bcos my point is that dissenting voices are being shut down (smeared, ridiculed, deplatformed, fired, access to social media accounts denied, accounts buried from searches, de-monitised, denied access to ads, denied access to financial institutions, lots of other tactics). Anyone who doesn't see that is walking around with their eyes closed.

Often it was right wingers such as Alex Jones, Jordan Peterson, Steven Crowder. Some would say good riddance, but it is only a matter of time before they come for you, bcos they are not just against right wingers, they are against anyone that does not support their actions and views. They ruined the businesses of many scientists and doctors that stood against COVID policy – everyone involved in the Barrignton Declaration, Robert Malone, Brett Weinstein, and anyone that is left of them too, such as Glenn Greenwald, Jackson Hinkle, even Unherd – one of my fave independent news and discussion channels was hit by put on the red list of MDI – a "Disinformation' red alert list bcos they interviewed some TERFs. Now they are blocked from advertising revenue and have their channel views suppressed. NYT was caught instructing its journalists not to use "genocide", "occupied territories", "refugee camps", even "Palestine" in their articles. And always to refer to Hamas as "terrorists". USA GOVT recently also caught lying that it supported Palestinian statehood. The Tik Tok saga is just another example of a strategy to deny access to a platform that the USA Govt can't control. The list in endless. The establishment and mainstream media control what you hear and it is getting much worse every year. There is no conspiracy about that. You need to abandon it to hear the truth.

[Mr Enternational]

I hope that all the anti vaxxers never take another vaccine especially when the next pandemic hits. Its called thinning the herd.

No matter how many times people say they are not against vaccination, but this vaccination in particular, they are taunted and labeled this way. I do not recall anyone in this thread saying they were against vaccinations in order for them to be called anti vaxxers. But throw it to see if it sticks.