Stupid shit in Medellin

[Bill]

Yeh the trolls got to eat and when they get fed we have no one to blame but ourselves.

Some trolls have no useful life and use this forum to agitate and bait others to argue minute details.

Are they coked up on something? Can one be born a troll or is this learned behavior?

Many trolls seem bipolar, as in something is great one day then terrible the next. How do you get a troll to take his medication?

Then you got the troll followers that take every troll posting as gospel. "Troll sheep" That's a whole different can of dog food.

Trolls. Can't shoot 'them and can't kick 'them off a public sidewalk.

I prefer to ignore them and they eventually go back to trolling in forums from whence they came.

[PedroMorales]

1) The mRNA vaccines are best and most cleverly designed in history. They are much better targeted and more effective than any of the successful vaccines in history, including measles, smallpox, HPV.

2) The vaccine only is effective if you take it. The only problem has been the anti vaccine propaganda and resistance driven by the know nothing party. If there were 100% vaccination rate, this disease would disappear. Unfortunately, the idiot minority has allowed it to become endemic.

3) There is false propaganda / ideology of individual responsibility, individual protection, and individual choice. Here's a better model of humanity: the earth is a culture plate covered with a thin biological film -- we are like bacteria. The idea that some part of the culture can be innoculated against an organism is false -- we have to innoculate the entire population. We can't leave pockets of the disease on the culture plate to survive and mutate.

You should give what passes for your brain to science when you are declared clinically dead. I know a PhD Maths genius who, aged 2, figured out there were minus numbers when he say negative temperatures displayed on the TV, You would show some people have negative IQs.

[Mr Enternational]

You might cosnider it fine in your own personal situation, but coming from a developing country, you can not expect the same level of competence.

The world accepts card based evidence for all other vaxxes. I expect they will continue with this one, especially since the data will need to be updated every 6 months per person.

Exactly. Imagine the resources it would take to verify somebody's vaccination. In my country it is just a piece of paper not even saying where the person received the vaccination. No airport, grocery store, disco, etc in their right mind is going to have workers dedicated to making phone calls verifying the vaccinations of thousands of people standing in line in front of them. And the company they call to verify it? They as well would not pay people to man phones to receive the calls to verify if John Smith got a vacination at that particular drug store on such and such date. And what about the pop up places that people received vaccinations? Those have disappeared.

Same as the card that I received for my yellow fever vaccination, no country I enter is going out of the way to ensure the card is not fake. The only people that would be caught on this is those with shotty work like the chick that spelled the name of the vaccine wrong. Otherwise there is no way in telling that your card is authentic from actually getting the shot and another person's is not. Of course they have to publish stories like that and put fear in people as a deterrent.

Here is a picture from immigration in Brazil a couple of weeks ago. It took 2 and a half hours to get through. Now imagine if they had to call all over the world to verify a vaccination card of all these people from 300 different countries. That would take days and an amount of money that nobody is trying to spend on bullshit as such. For the foreseeable future people that are savvy enough to get around the "rules" will enjoy the same benefits as people that follow everything to the letter.

[John Clayton]

...So one thing is clear. The vax is NOT doing its job...

1) The mRNA vaccines are best and most cleverly designed in history. They are much better targeted and more effective than any of the successful vaccines in history, including measles, smallpox, HPV.

2) The vaccine only is effective if you take it. The only problem has been the anti vaccine propaganda and resistance driven by the know nothing party. If there were 100% vaccination rate, this disease would disappear. Unfortunately, the idiot minority has allowed it to become endemic.

3) There is false propaganda / ideology of individual responsibility, individual protection, and individual choice. Here's a better model of humanity: the earth is a culture plate covered with a thin biological film -- we are like bacteria. The idea that some part of the culture can be innoculated against an organism is false -- we have to innoculate the entire population. We can't leave pockets of the disease on the culture plate to survive and mutate.

[JustTK]

So are you saying the record deaths in South Korea are from vaccinated people?

South Korea is an interestinf case isn't it? Never went in to lockdown yet has one of the lowest death rates among developed countries. Even now, its deaths are spiking but only from a very low historic basic level.

It's difficult to say with any certainty why deaths are spiking now bcos there are many potential contributory factors. Omicron and other variants, low natural immunity, changes to pandemic laws and attitudes. But some scientists in Korea blame it on the waning effectiveness of the vax. South Korea is amont the top 10 most vaxd countries.

So one thing is clear. The vax is NOT doing its job. One could counter that deaths would be even higher without the vax and no doubt that is true too. But they are not effective in preventing spread and eliminating the virus. Which was the initial objective of the virus. Now people are having the change their thinking and pretend the purpose of the vax is like a health booster shot. BUt then that line of thinking destroys the mandate movement bcos it can never achieve its objective.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...ovid-patients/

[JustTK]

If I wanted to point out the flaws in veganism, I would say that by killing and eating a wild bear, I am actually saving the hundreds of other animals the bear would eat.

There is a lot to say about your comments. The first being that you are not finding a flaw in veganism at all here. You are highlighting the main diffference between deontology and utilitarianism. It would be a long and no doubt interesting debate that perhaps we should have over a beer or six. Hehe. No doubt Jpaedo would have a definitive answer for us in 3 paragraphs, after all his mind is infinitely more powerful than all the great philosophers that have trod this earth over the centuries before us.

[JustTK]

So, you fucking moron, in a double blind study, the researchers are unaware of the subjects' status because the research subjects were selected independently. Independent selection of the subjects is one part of the "double" blind process, meaning random selection from a given target population. Survey the target population and determine it is X% vegan and why% not.
Set up sample pools of vegans and non vegans. Use a statistically appropriate randomized (single blind) sample size with a finite population correction factor from each of the two pools. Then the second part of the double blind process (get it? Second part? Double blind?) is that the people performing the research and analysis must not know whether the subjects are vegan or not.
It's like you want to set up a fucking moron contest but assure in advance you'll win. That's not a double blind test either but you have a good shot at winning.

"random selection from a given target population".

No need to go deeper huacho. You confirmed it there. So you agree that they target vegans. They do it by CHOOSING vegans for the target population. You think anyone would set up a study on for example Muslims without first confirming that their population included Muslims? They wouldn't get very far in an analysis of cerebral palsy if there target group didn't have any sufferers. Of course they know they are vegans. But they would mix them up before they assign them to the different groups. So I stand very comfortably with my previous statement. You fkn moron.

[Mr Enternational]

And then you have the insane story of the day: Twitter, which dubs itself the arbiter of medical misinformation through its constellation of conflicted 'fact-checkers,' will start imposing penalties on users who claim that vaccinated people can spread Covid-19. Maybe JJBee started this one up?

I am pretty sure he did. Adding to the list 1 more vaccinated friend that has gotten covid versus 0 unvaccinated friends that have gotten covid. Let Jj tell it she is probably lying though. And if she really does have it, then she got it from an unvaccinated person.

[Paulie97]

So are you saying the record deaths in South Korea are from vaccinated people?

This is directed at everyone, not just you. Your question though afforded a good opportunity to analyze Korea.

First we are talking about a country that had done extremely well up until recently, largely due to the mask wearing, social distancing and other restrictions that many here in Stupid Shit object to and insist have no positive effects. They've recorded 1627 deaths over the last two months and it would be interesting to know how many had received shots. They do have a high vaccination rate and currently still maintain a low case-fatality rate of 0. 8%, very much on the lower end of the scale when compared to the rest of the world.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

Waning immunity coupled with recent loosening of restrictions in a highly urbanized country where 50% of the population live in the capital all surely factor into the recent rise in deaths in South Korea. 80% of the cases were reported in Seoul. Most of the elderly started their shots back in February and March. Though cherry picking South Korea while ignoring the many Euro nations with high vaccination rates and stable death stats is disingenuous at best and betrays an agenda.

"The prime minister went on to urge the elderly to get booster shots, noting that people aged 60 and above accounted for 35 percent of infections and 84 percent of severe cases."

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/...-among-elderly

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...y/south-korea/

[Paulie97]

Haha. . Obvious. Super effective vax in securing the people against the virus. You guys really are like flat earhers, or young earthers. What evidence do you need to see before you finally accept that you have been fed BS?

Portugal ... 88% fully vaxd... 3rd highest vax rate in the world... going thru a 3rd covid wave now..

Bluster and insults are no substitute for substance. In fact when all you bring is bluster and insults it makes us all suspect that you have no argument.

Portugal? Given the season with increased indoor activities, at least a bit of a surge was expected, but that's all it is to date. As to cases it's considerably less than their January / February pre-vaccine surge. Most importantly the deaths scale has hardly moved, which points to the effectiveness of vaccines. Add this to the similar data profiles I recently demonstrated for France, Germany, Ireland, and we can add the UK, and looks like we have a pattern in this.

It takes merely ten minutes of research to see how full of shit you are, so why don't you give it up and go get laid? That's assuming you truly are in Colombia and not in your mum's basement in England. I more suspect the latter as you spend so much time here posting, whining about Covid and meat eaters and cowardly dissing the USA, and no one here has met you. If I were in Medellin hanging out in ISG Stupid Shit is the last thing I'd be doing.

Here's the data, deaths are so under control, as they typically are in Euro nations with high vaccination rates.

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...ntry/portugal/

[JjBee62]

108 doses per 100 people worldwide now. Spot the vaccine. Where is it? . Haha. . Obvious. Super effective vax in securing the people against the virus. You guys really are like flat earhers, or young earthers. What evidence do you need to see before you finally accept that you have been fed BS?

Portugal ... 88% fully vaxd... 3rd highest vax rate in the world... going thru a 3rd covid wave now. Singapore, just passed its highest peak. S Korea now at record cases and deaths.

Imagine going through life and at every point choosing dishonesty and stupidity. Or you can just observe specimen #1 here.

Let's go with the dishonesty first. The suppurating vagina known as JustTK stated he is not anti-vax, he's just anti-vivisection. Clearly a lie, as he has once again gone on an anti-vax rant.

Now for the stupidity. The malignant rectal polyp has cherry picked 3 countries but failed to examine the data. Let's start with South Korea. Early in the pandemic South Korea saw a surge in infections. They went all out in response and became the poster child for how to flatten the curve. And until fairly recently they maintained their response, with a great deal of success.

However, with their vaccination campaign proceeding well, they have loosened restrictions. Anyone smarter then an ingrown toenail recognizes that vaccination is only one piece of the Covid attenuation plan. When you abandon the other parts, there will be more infections. Add in new variants which are more contagious and the number of new cases will climb quickly.

Which brings us to 2 important numbers:

1. 75.6%- that's the percentage of South Korean Covid deaths which were unvaccinated as of November. With over 90% of adults vaccinated this clearly shows that the vaccines are highly effective at preventing death.

2. 0. 8%- That's the percentage of Covid cases in South Korea which were fatal. During the peak in March, 2020 that number was 2.4%. Part of that is due to better therapies of Covid cases, and part is due to added protection from the vaccine.

Next step on the "proof JustTK is an idiot" tour, Singapore. Singapore's story is about the same as South Korea's, an early spike followed by an all out response which flattened the curve and kept it flat for well over a year. Once restrictions were lifted, a surge of infections and deaths. It's worth noticing, if you're more observant than a genital wart, that Singapore has seen a recent sharp decline in new cases and deaths.

Something else worth noting is Singapore has declared that unvaccinated people are responsible for the cost of Covid treatment. Surely an intelligent person with integrity would have noticed that before choosing Singapore as an example of an ineffective vaccine.

If you prefer numbers, Singapore reports that 5.2 of every 100,000 unvaccinated people are critically ill or intubated in ICU from Covid. That's compared to 0.5 of every 100,000 fully vaccinated people.

Now let's hop on the dumbfuck express for a trip to Portugal. At first glance Portugal might be an example of vaccine ineffectiveness. However, at first glance a lot of trannies look like women, so it's best to take a closer look.

First thing I see is that the current surge is nowhere near the peak Portugal experienced in January. Next let's do some math. We need 4 numbers; new cases and deaths for January and for December. We'll use the 7 day average for January 25 and December 11.

New cases January 25 - 12,373.

Deaths January 25 - 242.

New cases December 11 - 3,915.

Deaths December 11 - 19.

We can assume that almost nobody was vaccinated on January 25, and most people were vaccinated by December 11. All we need to do is divide deaths by new cases and we know whether or not the vaccine does any good.

January 25 -0.01956, or about 2% of unvaccinated COVID cases died.

December 11 - 0.00485, or about 0. 5% of vaccinated Covid cases died. Of course that's assuming that none of the cases or deaths were unvaccinated, an assumption which data from around the world shows is invalid.

So what have we learned today? We've learned that JustTK is a clueless idiot who can't be trusted and we've learned that the vaccine is highly effective at preventing serious illness or death. Just to be clear, serious illness and death are the only reasons anyone cares about Covid.

[Nounce]

108 doses per 100 people worldwide now. Spot the vaccine. Where is it? . Haha. . Obvious. Super effective vax in securing the people against the virus. You guys really are like flat earhers, or young earthers. What evidence do you need to see before you finally accept that you have been fed BS?

Portugal ... 88% fully vaxd... 3rd highest vax rate in the world... going thru a 3rd covid wave now. Singapore, just passed its highest peak. S Korea now at record cases and deaths.

So are you saying the record deaths in South Korea are from vaccinated people?

[JjBee62]

Of course they would have to choose vegans for the study you fkn moron. You are now banned along with the other 3 fkn morons here. Stupid byeond belief the lot of you.

There are many ways to react when someone points out your lack of understanding of a subject. One way is to examine the subject, learn and continue through life using your newfound knowledge.

Or you can choose the 5 year old reaction: stick your fingers in your ears, stick out your tongue and say "nyah, nyah, nyah, I can't hear you."

I guess you have to go with what you're good at.

[JjBee62]

Hey is it true that anti-vaxxers can no longer get into Colombia? Lmao jajaja.

Soon. I'm working on making sure the Colombian Ministry of Health knows how to catch them with their fake vax cards.

[Elvis 2008]

108 doses per 100 people worldwide now. Spot the vaccine. Where is it? . Haha. . Obvious. Super effective vax in securing the people against the virus. You guys really are like flat earhers, or young earthers. What evidence do you need to see before you finally accept that you have been fed BS?

Portugal ... 88% fully vaxd... 3rd highest vax rate in the world... going thru a 3rd covid wave now. Singapore, just passed its highest peak. S Korea now at record cases and deaths.

Yeah, Joe Rogan and the people he has on his show have been all over this. Quite frankly, the data on Ivermectin for covid prevention is like 100 X better than the vaccine (actually you could use infinity because the vaccine does not prevent disease).

Here is an article on it and if you scroll down, you will see the Joe Rogan video. The surprising part is that it is on Youtube and has not been banned.

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/t...vid-treatments

And then you have the insane story of the day: Twitter, which dubs itself the arbiter of medical misinformation through its constellation of conflicted 'fact-checkers,' will start imposing penalties on users who claim that vaccinated people can spread Covid-19. Maybe JJBee started this one up?

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/t...pread-covid-19