Stupid shit in Medellin

[ShooBree]

It's about compliance. Percentage of children vaccinated by 24 months: polio 92.6%, MMR 90.8%, Chickenpox 90.2%, etc. Percent fully vaccinated against SARS CoV-2 in Idaho 45.8%, Alabama 47%, etc.

I'm saying the Moderna (and Pfizer) vaccine are the most brilliantly designed, safe and effective vaccines to date. The vaccine is a great success. The disease has become endemic for other reasons.

That is simply incorrect, what you say have nothing to do with reality.

[JjBee62]

I am pretty sure he did. Adding to the list 1 more vaccinated friend that has gotten covid versus 0 unvaccinated friends that have gotten covid. Let Jj tell it she is probably lying though. And if she really does have it, then she got it from an unvaccinated person.

I forgot to thank you. I'm truly flattered that both you and Elvis consider me to be one of the most influential people in the world. Honestly, I never expected either of you to say I'm literally able to influence billions of people, from the comfort of my recliner. Thanks to both of you for assuming I'm today's version of E. F. Hutton.

However much power over media giants you believe I can exert, I'm not even very active on Twitter. Certainly I'm not setting policy.

It's also worth noting you're both without a clue. Someone able to outwit toast might have noticed Elvis's claro is bullshit. If you remove your head from your ass long enough to check, you might find that Twitter is continuing a policy which has been in place for months, restricting accounts which share false vaccination information. They also restrict accounts of people who engage in hate speech or promote violence.

Again, I already knew you spend much of your time dreaming of being publicly humiliated by me, but I never suspected you considered me one of the world's most powerful figures.

[Mr Enternational]

The coward's way is to go around attributing your lies about other people behind their back. Why not respond directly to me?

Because I can't stand to read more than the first 2 lines of the drivel that you write. So I do not know what I would be responding to you about if it is not in those first 2 lines. The last time I posted about someone having covid twice after getting vaccinated you called bullshit. So I was just saving you some typing time so you would not have to question me again why someone would tell me the truth about them having covid. We already know nothing is true unless you personally approve it as being true.

[ScatManDoo]

1. Tell that to those who took the vaccine got infected and died. The vaccine is deemed so effective that it's almost impossible to enter any country without a negative PCR-test. Mexico is one exception and they allow the unvaccinated to enter the country without a PCR-test as well.

Mexico knows its tourist base.

Wealthy Americans with more money than sense.

North of the border we call them republicans.

They stupidly remain unvaccinated.

[John Clayton]

I get that improved technology might have gone in to this vax creation, and the virus is a different beast to beaten viruses. But surely the best measure of a vax is its success in eliminating a virus or protecting the population from it. And by that measure, no way is the COVID vax the best.

It's about compliance. Percentage of children vaccinated by 24 months: polio 92.6%, MMR 90.8%, Chickenpox 90.2%, etc. Percent fully vaccinated against SARS CoV-2 in Idaho 45.8%, Alabama 47%, etc.

I'm saying the Moderna (and Pfizer) vaccine are the most brilliantly designed, safe and effective vaccines to date. The vaccine is a great success. The disease has become endemic for other reasons.

[JustTK]

The original Salk / Sabin vaccines were about 60-70% effective against PV-1. The newer polio vaccines are more effective (maybe 90% effective against the later variants.
One of the big problems with the continuing effectivity of SARS CoV-2 vaccines is the high mutation rate of the virus.

I get that improved technology might have gone in to this vax creation, and the virus is a different beast to beaten viruses. But surely the best measure of a vax is its success in eliminating a virus or protecting the population from it. And by that measure, no way is the COVID vax the best.

[JjBee62]

"random selection from a given target population".

No need to go deeper huacho. You confirmed it there. So you agree that they target vegans. They do it by CHOOSING vegans for the target population. You think anyone would set up a study on for example Muslims without first confirming that their population included Muslims? They wouldn't get very far in an analysis of cerebral palsy if there target group didn't have any sufferers. Of course they know they are vegans. But they would mix them up before they assign them to the different groups. So I stand very comfortably with my previous statement. You fkn moron.

The hits just keep coming.

"Target population" doesn't mean they are targeting vegans. In this case it means they are selecting a random group of people. If they deliberately select vegans, or any other dietary classification, then the entire study is flawed.

After selecting, for example, 100,000 participants, data is collected from each. Depending upon the purpose of the study, each person is assigned to a particular group, actually several groups, age, sex, vaccination status, diet, pre-existing conditions are just a few.

The researchers then examine each participant who is identified solely by a number, with no other information available, and determine things like infection rate, incidence of serious illness, incidence of death, and more. Afterwards, the data is analyzed and the specific outcome for each group is calculated.

If the study is about the benefits of veganism (to offset the profound stupidity it appears to cause) and out of 100,000 no vegans are found, then they either increase the sample size, or determine there are insufficient idiots like you to warrant any further study.

[ShooBree]

1) The mRNA vaccines are best and most cleverly designed in history. They are much better targeted and more effective than any of the successful vaccines in history, including measles, smallpox, HPV.

2) The vaccine only is effective if you take it. The only problem has been the anti vaccine propaganda and resistance driven by the know nothing party. If there were 100% vaccination rate, this disease would disappear. Unfortunately, the idiot minority has allowed it to become endemic.

3) There is false propaganda / ideology of individual responsibility, individual protection, and individual choice. Here's a better model of humanity: the earth is a culture plate covered with a thin biological film -- we are like bacteria. The idea that some part of the culture can be innoculated against an organism is false -- we have to innoculate the entire population. We can't leave pockets of the disease on the culture plate to survive and mutate.

1. Tell that to those who took the vaccine got infected and died. The vaccine is deemed so effective that it's almost impossible to enter any country without a negative PCR-test. Mexico is one exception and they allow the unvaccinated to enter the country without a PCR-test as well.

2. Pure BS. Why is it so hard for you to understand and accept that the vaccine is highly flawed?

3. Have you heard of Ebola?

[JjBee62]

I am pretty sure he did. Adding to the list 1 more vaccinated friend that has gotten covid versus 0 unvaccinated friends that have gotten covid. Let Jj tell it she is probably lying though. And if she really does have it, then she got it from an unvaccinated person.

The coward's way is to go around attributing your lies about other people behind their back. Why not respond directly to me? Are you tired of being shown up as the pathetic, fat whiney pussy you are?

Where is your response to my reply to your "my doctor didn't lecture me about Covid" stupidity? What about a response to my rebuttal to your "prostitutes taking advantage of customers" garbage?

Stop being such a sad, bloated ****. If you have something to say about anything I've posted grow a set of testicles that are larger than the nuts on the gerbils in your ass and bring it to me.

I'll happily and easily show everyone just how fucking worthless your posts are. After all, I've already done it several times.

[JjBee62]

Exactly. Imagine the resources it would take to verify somebody's vaccination. In my country it is just a piece of paper not even saying where the person received the vaccination. No airport, grocery store, disco, etc in their right mind is going to have workers dedicated to making phone calls verifying the vaccinations of thousands of people standing in line in front of them. And the company they call to verify it? They as well would not pay people to man phones to receive the calls to verify if John Smith got a vacination at that particular drug store on such and such date. And what about the pop up places that people received vaccinations? Those have disappeared.

Same as the card that I received for my yellow fever vaccination, no country I enter is going out of the way to ensure the card is not fake. The only people that would be caught on this is those with shotty work like the chick that spelled the name of the vaccine wrong. Otherwise there is no way in telling that your card is authentic from actually getting the shot and another person's is not. Of course they have to publish stories like that and put fear in people as a deterrent.

Here is a picture from immigration in Brazil a couple of weeks ago. It took 2 and a half hours to get through. Now imagine if they had to call all over the world to verify a vaccination card of all these people from 300 different countries. That would take days and an amount of money that nobody is trying to spend on bullshit as such. For the foreseeable future people that are savvy enough to get around the "rules" will enjoy the same benefits as people that follow everything to the letter.

The problem with you, and many others, is that you're unable to see beyond the nose on your face. If you haven't had direct experience with something you claim it can't happen, or is impossible. Remember your claim that Colombian airport security would never check phones or tablets? Remember how that turned out? Another example from several months ago: I stated that dozens of girls in Medellin we're setting up online stores, selling all kinds of things. You disagreed. I felt no desire to educate you on the subject, but everyday my Facebook and Instagram feeds are loaded with girls selling clothes, shoes, lingerie, alcohol, sex toys, etc. Easily I have contact with over a dozen who have started up some type of domicilio resale business.

Or if anyone recalls Routard posting in the Bogota thread that working girls wouldn't put family pictures in their profiles. Anyone who uses Facebook knows better. Of course there are also all the times when you've stated you've never seen a robbery in Santa Fe or El Centro, as if it can't happen. Again, plenty of reports confirm that robberies do indeed happen. Plenty of examples are readily available of people not believing something can happen, or be done.

I'll even use myself as an example. A bit over 4 years ago, in response to scopolamine panic posts, I posted that it rarely happened and many cases were made up by men who blew too much money and then needed to explain it to their wife. I was wrong. I didn't consider that most victims would be embarrassed to report they had been a victim. Within just a few days several people informed me they had been drugged.

Back to the subject. About 15 years ago I worked for a job placement company. One of the many duties was running a full background check on every applicant: arrest records, driving records, employment history, the results usually took up about 3 pages. Manually entering the necessary information and sending it off took me less than 1 minute, results usually within 10 minutes. Although it's not used as much now, many retail businesses used TeleChek to verify personal checks used for purchases. The process took 10-15 seconds. Clearly verifying a vaccine card is something which can be quickly and easily done, all it requires is a tiny bit of knowledge and a tiny bit of imagination to recognize how.

The only question which remains is when someone will set up a system where a vaccine card can be scanned and verified almost immediately. The method is as easy as any credit card transaction and even more reliable.

So, when the day comes and you find your travel privileges have been suspended, don't come crying about how unfair it is.

[John Clayton]

I find these really bizarre claims John...

The original Salk / Sabin vaccines were about 60-70% effective against PV-1. The newer polio vaccines are more effective (maybe 90% effective against the later variants. Polio was eradicated by this comparatively ineffective vaccine, but mostly through heroic public health effort. Smallpox vaccine was highly effective, but had a relatively high rate of serious side effects.

One of the big problems with the continuing effectivity of SARS CoV-2 vaccines is the high mutation rate of the virus. The mutation rate of RNA viruses is much higher than DNA viruses. The mRNA vaccines have a much higher effectivity than earlier vaccines made with "dead" or attenuated viruses and which were in no way specifically targeted.

Another problem is transmission rate. Polio was transmitted by oral intake of infected human shit (why they closed swimmng pools).

[Elvis 2008]

1) The mRNA vaccines are best and most cleverly designed in history. They are much better targeted and more effective than any of the successful vaccines in history, including measles, smallpox, HPV.

Sorry, John, that is just not true. https://peckford42.wordpress.com/202...take-the-shot/.

It's a huge problem that Peter Doshi, a senior editor at the BMJ calls the "elephant named waning immunity. " he cited Israel's Ministry of Health from early July showing Pfizer's vaccine was just 65% effective, which late July had dwindled to just 39% where Delta is the dominant strain. Apparently the downward trend is continuing. Considering that the FDA's own expectation is of "at least 50%" efficacy for any approvable vaccine. In terms of the vaccine "working," the FDA has violated its own low standards to fast-track approval for this vaccine and they haven't told us why.

2) The vaccine only is effective if you take it. The only problem has been the anti vaccine propaganda and resistance driven by the know nothing party. If there were 100% vaccination rate, this disease would disappear. Unfortunately, the idiot minority has allowed it to become endemic.

The fact is, Pfizer's clinical trials don't end until May 2023. FDA-approval usually requires letting clinical trials run their course but granting an emergency use authorization (EUA) the sort of thing that allows doctors to try experimental drugs on a patient because he is dying anyway is a different game altogether. And Pfizer's EUA extends to 12-year-olds whose odds of dying from Covid are significantly less than getting hit by lightning.

Just today, As of Dec. 16,1,700 cases of TTS following administration of J&J's vaccine were reported to VAERS, according to an Epoch Times review of the database. There were also 1,429 reports of thrombosis and 265 reports of thrombocytopenia. Altogether, the conditions were said to have resulted in 89 deaths.

So you have an injection with questionable efficacy that is approved only for emergencies and has horrible side effects and the FDA is not going to release safety data on the vaccine for 75 years? The question is not why some Republicans are scared of the vaccine. It is: why aren't you Democrats?

3) There is false propaganda / ideology of individual responsibility, individual protection, and individual choice. Here's a better model of humanity: the earth is a culture plate covered with a thin biological film -- we are like bacteria. The idea that some part of the culture can be innoculated against an organism is false -- we have to innoculate the entire population. We can't leave pockets of the disease on the culture plate to survive and mutate.

The elderly have been inoculated. 99% of those 64 to 75 have been inoculated and 97% over age 85. And you cannot do 100% inoculation because the virus has crossed species. Come on, man!

And 2017, Sanofi Pasteur was forced to yank its new Dengvaxia vaccine off the market after it killed several hundred children by making them experience a worse version of dengue fever than if they'the never been vaccinated at all. The Dengvaxia fiasco led to dozens of public health figures being indicted for "reckless imprudence resulting in homicide. " Do you think that can't happen again?

And if your side is so confident why the constant banning of things? Joe Rogan talks about the profits of vaccine companies, a doctor comes on and tells the truth that the vaccine is EUA, and says that the risk and benefit presented on all other treatments is being turned to the side with this vaccine. I can see why Pfizer wants this banned, but youtube? How much are they in Pfizer's pocket?

Furthermore, if you look at ivermectin versus the vaccine for prophylaxis, it is not even close. Ivermectin wins in a landslide. So why is no one talking about that or monoclonal antibodies? Joe Rogan does a series of treatments and gets better in a day and instead of figuring out why, people say they wish he died and that he took a "horse dewormer."

Is the goal of your party saving lives or making Pfizer its $36 billion?

That is a pretty good gig if you can get it. Taxpayers pay for the research, you have immunity from lawsuits, mandates that require your product, and you do not have to show safety data.

Here is a link to the latest Rogan video, the one youtube banned. https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...***-mccullough.

[JustTK]

1) The mRNA vaccines are best and most cleverly designed in history. They are much better targeted and more effective than any of the successful vaccines in history, including measles, smallpox, HPV.

2) The vaccine only is effective if you take it. The only problem has been the anti vaccine propaganda and resistance driven by the know nothing party. If there were 100% vaccination rate, this disease would disappear. Unfortunately, the idiot minority has allowed it to become endemic.

3) There is false propaganda / ideology of individual responsibility, individual protection, and individual choice. Here's a better model of humanity: the earth is a culture plate covered with a thin biological film -- we are like bacteria. The idea that some part of the culture can be innoculated against an organism is false -- we have to innoculate the entire population. We can't leave pockets of the disease on the culture plate to survive and mutate.

I find these really bizarre claims John.

1. You might be impressed by the vaxes, so in your opinion they are the best. I think a vax that wiped out a virus entirely (almost) such as the polio vax would get a higher rating than a vax that only lasts for 4 months.

2. I agree that a vax can only be effective if taken. BUt claiming that the virus would disappear if 100% wer vaxed is pure fantasy and propaganda. The virus was always going to be endemic. It has nothing tlo do with the "idiot minority". There are billions of people around the world that have no access to a vax. Are they part of the idiot minority? I beleive the idiots are the ones that think thought one could wipe out a virus like COVID, and the ones that decided to only give vaxes to people from tier 1 and tier 2 countries.

3. Agree with 3 entirely.

[Zeos1]

Apparently it's a felony in the USA to forge a vax card. I'm from California and they have a registry like most other states, so verification at least in Country is easy if actually required. Yet, it's a total joke for International travel without a worldwide verification system in place. No different than for the Yellow Fever shot issued by WHO.

It's just a matter of time until something is put in place. So for the time being, and I know guys that have done it, is they print up a vax card, insert the data required, and they are good to go at least for those from the USA.

A total joke for the time being.

It is easy to fake a card or a printed up vax certificate. But the current ones we will be required to have are much harder to fake, since the QR can be scanned and if it does not correspond to the provincial database it is fake. That will work well within a province here, or perhaps in the country, but outside the country I doubt if anyone will have access to the provincial database to verify.

But, if countries agree perhaps an international version could be done.

[Norbert61]

Exactly. Imagine the resources it would take to verify somebody's vaccination. In my country it is just a piece of paper not even saying where the person received the vaccination. No airport, grocery store, disco, etc in their right mind is going to have workers dedicated to making phone calls verifying the vaccinations of thousands of people standing in line in front of them. And the company they call to verify it? They as well would not pay people to man phones to receive the calls to verify if John Smith got a vacination at that particular drug store on such and such date. And what about the pop up places that people received vaccinations? Those have disappeared.

You're probably right. It is the fear of getting caught forging government documents that deters most people. It is a pretty serious crime in most places. I imagine if you got caught in Colombia entering illegally using fake documents you might be subject to some pretty serious down time. They really can't scrutinize you too fully yet but it will come I suppose- it will be a necessary part of staying open. I sure think someone is going to check your bona fides if you end up in the health care system with COVID. Anyway, lyin' slimeballs going to lie, what you going to do.