Stupid shit in Medellin

[JustTK]

But didn't China claim it?

Yes, if it turns out to be a lab leak, it would be a lab leak from China, obviously. But Fauci has already admitted that the CDC was funding the research in China. And you must ask urself why? Was it a collaboration? Was the USA funding smthg too dangerous to do in the USA? Was it trying to save money by having China do it? They know the situation, the risks. USA must at least take some responsibility, if not all.

[JustTK]

No, it doesn't "turn out" that way. Just another batshit crazy conspiracy theory without any viable supporting evidence. Love your tin foil hat, BTW.

Its easy to ridicule smthg that you don't like, but can you explain wihch part is batshit crazy?

[PVMonger]

Here is a study from the Cleveland Clinic on whether to vaccinate previously infected Covid personnel: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....01.21258176v2.

Then there are young men who have developed pericarditis and myocarditiis from the vaccines and the CDC is holding in emergency meeting: https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/c...covid-vaccines.

Then you have this article in children 0 to 12 and why the vaccine is recommended for a specific subset of children: https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion...ail-definition.

There really should not be any politics with regards to vaccinations but of course there is.

This is from the NY Times: Eight of the 10 least-vaccinated states are in the South, a reflection of vaccine hesitancy and poor access to health care..

So, did the Orange Buffoon pay big money to develop faulty vaccines or are side effects just part of vaccinations?

You only get to choose one answer. Trump supporters will never choose the first option so you must accept the second.

The risk of COVID far outweighs the "risk" of a minor reaction to the vaccine. And yes, people are dumb for not getting vaccinated. Here's an article from Science News (but Tucker didn't approve it, so). https://www.sciencenews.org/article/...us-myocarditis.

[MiamiSammy]

If it turns out that CV came from a lab leak.

It would have been caused by rich countries paying for research on potentially lethal viruses (it could quite possibly be the USA that caused all this).

Created by the West, paid for by the West, covered up by the West, vaccinations investigated by the West. But produced in poor countries at cheap prices and exported to the West for Western consumption. The patented by the West, and sold back by the West to the poor countries at inflated prices once their own citizens have been vaxed.

As of end of April, 1 in 4 people in West have been vaxed. 1 in 500 in poor countries have been vaxed. This will cause more people in poor countries to die, and meanwhile the virus will mutate and bite the rich countries in the arse. That seems like moral justice to me for the disgusting morality shown by the West.

No, it doesn't "turn out" that way. Just another batshit crazy conspiracy theory without any viable supporting evidence. Love your tin foil hat, BTW.

[Mr Enternational]

If it turns out that CV came from a lab leak.

It would have been caused by rich countries paying for research on potentially lethal viruses (it could quite possibly be the USA that caused all this).

But didn't China claim it?

[JustTK]

If it turns out that CV came from a lab leak.

It would have been caused by rich countries paying for research on potentially lethal viruses (it could quite possibly be the USA that caused all this).

Created by the West, paid for by the West, covered up by the West, vaccinations investigated by the West. But produced in poor countries at cheap prices and exported to the West for Western consumption. The patented by the West, and sold back by the West to the poor countries at inflated prices once their own citizens have been vaxed.

As of end of April, 1 in 4 people in West have been vaxed. 1 in 500 in poor countries have been vaxed. This will cause more people in poor countries to die, and meanwhile the virus will mutate and bite the rich countries in the arse. That seems like moral justice to me for the disgusting morality shown by the West.

[MarquisdeSade1]

Here is a study from the Cleveland Clinic on whether to vaccinate previously infected Covid personnel: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....01.21258176v2.

Then there are young men who have developed pericarditis and myocarditiis from the vaccines and the CDC is holding in emergency meeting: https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/c...covid-vaccines.

Then you have this article in children 0 to 12 and why the vaccine is recommended for a specific subset of children: https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion...ail-definition.

There really should not be any politics with regards to vaccinations but of course there is.

This is from the NY Times: Eight of the 10 least-vaccinated states are in the South, a reflection of vaccine hesitancy and poor access to health care.

I read this, and I immediately think prejudice against the South, and Republicans are stupid.

Then I go here and read As observed in prior weeks, Black and Hispanic people have received smaller shares of vaccinations compared to their shares of cases and compared to their shares of the total population in most states.

https://www.newsmax.com/thewire/jon-...15/id/1025157/

[MarquisdeSade1]

Here is a study from the Cleveland Clinic on whether to vaccinate previously infected Covid personnel: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....01.21258176v2.

Then there are young men who have developed pericarditis and myocarditiis from the vaccines and the CDC is holding in emergency meeting: https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/c...covid-vaccines.

Then you have this article in children 0 to 12 and why the vaccine is recommended for a specific subset of children: https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion...ail-definition.

There really should not be any politics with regards to vaccinations but of course there is.

This is from the NY Times: Eight of the 10 least-vaccinated states are in the South, a reflection of vaccine hesitancy and poor access to health care.

I read this, and I immediately think prejudice against the South, and Republicans are stupid.

Then I go here and read As observed in prior weeks, Black and Hispanic people have received smaller shares of vaccinations compared to their shares of cases and compared to their shares of the total population in most states.

So you can say Republicans are stupid, that is okay, but if you apply that same logic to blacks and Hispanics, then you are a racist piece of shit..

Anyone that calls white GOPers dum must be racist pieces of shit also? Is that what you are positing?

[Elvis 2008]

Here is a study from the Cleveland Clinic on whether to vaccinate previously infected Covid personnel: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....01.21258176v2.

Then there are young men who have developed pericarditis and myocarditiis from the vaccines and the CDC is holding in emergency meeting: https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/c...covid-vaccines.

Then you have this article in children 0 to 12 and why the vaccine is recommended for a specific subset of children: https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion...ail-definition.

There really should not be any politics with regards to vaccinations but of course there is.

This is from the NY Times: Eight of the 10 least-vaccinated states are in the South, a reflection of vaccine hesitancy and poor access to health care.

I read this, and I immediately think prejudice against the South, and Republicans are stupid.

Then I go here and read As observed in prior weeks, Black and Hispanic people have received smaller shares of vaccinations compared to their shares of cases and compared to their shares of the total population in most states.

So you can say Republicans are stupid, that is okay, but if you apply that same logic to blacks and Hispanics, then you are a racist piece of shit.

But what is really fucking pathetic that something as important as Covid vaccination has been turned into a political name calling football.

Mojo, my point with all this was that if you want to point someone to the Mayo Clinic page, that is fine, but this whole notion that people who get the vaccine are smart and those who do not are stupid needs to stop. I jumped on you for repeating that sentiment I have heard elsewhere. The vaccine has horrible side effects for some people and the benefit-risk ratio is not positive for everyone.

I apologize for venting with regards to your statement, however I read this stupid NYT comment and I am infuriated that they are politicizing the vaccinations.

[MarquisdeSade1]

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/co...10/id/1024588/

[JustTK]

It would be easy to say that lies have dictated USA politics for way too long, which it has, but that would make a special case of US politics. I imagine lies have dictated politics in nearly every country for too long. Its very said to say that honest politicians are a very rare breed.

Well shit. I am from USA and I am neither. On election day I go with whoever is best for my needs at the time. Like I am for guns (which the Reps are but Dems are trying to get rid of) and pro weed (which the Dems claim to be but Biden ain't got the shit legalized yet.) But like you said they are both full of shit.

[Mr Enternational]

I am not from USA so I am neither Dem or Rep, but I can say that I think both parties are disgusting and I would vote for neither

Well shit. I am from USA and I am neither. On election day I go with whoever is best for my needs at the time. Like I am for guns (which the Reps are but Dems are trying to get rid of) and pro weed (which the Dems claim to be but Biden ain't got the shit legalized yet.) But like you said they are both full of shit.

[JustTK]

Unfortunatelly you are making far too many false assumptions about me, and accusing me of positions that I don't have, to even bother to respond to your criticism.

I get the impression that you can only see things thru a Dem / Rep US-centric lens, and any other views dont make sense to you.

Yes you are dodging, and are simply wrong on this one. If Sweden falls then so do all the anti-maskers, Covid denier conspiracy theorists, etc. So they must twist themselves in knots trying to prop the country up. Watching it is both sad and comical.

Sweden has far more in common with its Nordic neighbors than the rest of Europe thus making the comparisons more valid. And you've yet to point out any major differences between the Nordics, most notably Sweden, Demark, and Norway that would explain the gross disparities in Covid deaths, other than of course Covid policy. The common variables would be population densities, the existence of major urban centers with inbound and outbound international travel, transportation, and cultures. As to the immigrants, all three countries mentioned have accepted plenty of refugees from the Middle East. Sweden has welcomed the most, but not a volume enough to begin to account for the findings. For example 14.1% of Norway's residents have an immigrant background, while in Sweden it's 20%. Yet Sweden has 18+ times the number of Covid deaths but only double the total population. Now you can run form this to Belgium or France, or even Peru like Elvis, but you only demonstrate to an audience of mongers that you don't know how to do science.

To put it bluntly you have an agenda or are just stupid. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and assumed the former. The former can possibly be fixed while the latter cannot. Any immunologist worth his salt would compare Sweden to it's Nordic neighbors before other countries in Europe or Peru because that's where by far the most common and significant variables exist. To argue otherwise is at best ignorant.

And of course here come the very predictable logical fallacies. No one has suggested that anyone hide in a cave for two years. Norway and Demark didn't, yet while having very similar societies have a small fraction of the Covid deaths, the former 789, the latter 2520, while Sweden has 14,525. There's nothing reasonable about accepting all these excess deaths with lax policy chasing herd immunity. They fucked up. And in a word, screw your liberty to get in people's faces maskless during a once in a hundred years pandemic. Lives are more important. Also your car analogy is another fallacy, as like successful Covid protocols, we do take actions to deter auto deaths, vehicle safety, recalls, speed limits, seat belt laws, etc.

That said, this is my last Covid post in a monger forum. I've been indulging over a year now so have done my duty. Wink. Plus once you unravel all the Fox News esque nonsense a new one comes along repeating it over again. I have better things to do than go in circles.

[JustTK]

I am not from USA so I am neither Dem or Rep, but I can say that I think both parties are disgusting and I would vote for neither Fauci has been caught lying so many times now, for both sides. I believe his lies have directly led to to the deaths of many people and he should be locked away for a very long time. He won't be of course bcos he worked for US government and that would be a crazy idea!

When covid first broke, we all heard the idea that it was a lab leak. It sounded like a wild conspiracy theory at the time, and once Trump got behind it, I wrote it off as such. But recent evidence, as you point out, clearly show that CDC were funding research in to virus transmission between bats and humans. They were paying a Wuhan lab to do this for them. Fauci has admitted this. Si it now seems highly plausible that the virus came from a lab leak. I can't say I am certain but I am willing to believe the evidence, and I believe both China and USA is covering that up. As ever, the public is being sold a lie to cover up huge mistakes by powerful people. All descent is shut down, as it has been throughout the pandemic. But slowly the truth seems to be taking shape.

Paulie et al are going to believe Fauci and the CDC are heroes because they are Democratic douches. You show them the research, even from a heavily Democratic leaning university like Stanford, and they are not going to change their minds. What they do not get is that the Biden Administration is getting ready to cut Fauci loose.
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It really is fucking disgusting but I doubt it is going to change the minds of anyone. It seems like everyone just wants confirmation bias at this point.

[Paulie97]

Of course having laws in place in no way assures enforcement and compliance. In fact a good portion of road deaths are the results of non-compliance, texting while driving, speeding, drunk driving, or operating an unsafe vehicle. To go leaping around the globe comparing very different societies to that of the Nordics while assuming broad compliance with Covid mandates in such countries is simply asinine. That especially holds true when leaping to South America, but hey maybe an eye doctor with a political agenda like Rand Paul would do it. Some mongers will do it as we've seen, but this point needs to be out there once more though it's already been made by me and others many times over the last year. It's very clear, Norway and Denmark did things in the matter of Covid that Sweden didn't, thus the drastically superior results as we come into the vaccines. No it wasn't inevitable that many millions die until natural herd immunity is achieved. The true scientists had it right, the fools and otherwise political ideologues wrong. The US is living proof of the value of the vaccines, and all the better if more MAGA morons would do the right thing for themselves and other and take the shots.