Stupid shit in Medellin

[Paulie97]

I was saying that the general public will give you accolades for serving in the military then on the other hand those same people will tell those same veterans they are not shit if they don't want to get the vaccine. Which is it? Am I the best ever, or am I a piece of shit? Or does it just depend on which side of the issue I stand on at the moment? Same as everyone was labeled heros and essential workers this time last year. Now if those same people don't want the vaccine they don't even deserve to feed their families; fired!

There's no end to your faulty reasoning, this time creating a fake distinction followed by a question which is a fake dilemma. Essential workers were typically required by governments or private employers to wear masks, as the same were proven to slow the spread of a deadly and destructive virus. And now that the vaccines are proven to do likewise, the same applies. Really simple, but you are a selfish crybaby, promoting nonsense that is costing lives, that doesn't deserve to feed your family, but hopefully someone else will.

[Mr Enternational]

Most people don't understand freedom. What they want instead of freedom, which you already have, is freedom from consequences. Anything you can imagine you have the freedom to attempt. However, others and society have the freedom to halt your attempt, or impose consequences. The consequences are often not equitably applied, but they are there.

True. There used to be something called redlining in the USA where when Black people thought they were free to buy houses anywhere they wanted, there were certain White people that exercised the freedom to halt their attempt. And there were other cases where some would just come burn them out if nothing else worked.

[Mr Enternational]

If the advice of someone who knows absolutely nothing about a subject runs contrary to the advice of all the experts on the subject, it doesn't seem difficult to decide which path to take. If all the experts on the subject give advice, do you wait to find out if the person who knows nothing on the subject agrees, before making a decision?

So if you worked at Enron and Ken Lay told you to put 20% in your 401 K...Or you were on Apollo 13 and the engineers said all systems go...

[Mr Enternational]

Maybe there were some drastic changes between when I served and when you served. When I was in boot camp. They didn't ask me how I wanted my hair cut, didn't ask what style of uniforms I wanted to wear and didn't ask which vaccines I wanted. They didn't even tell me which vaccines I was receiving. They also didn't ask if my wisdom teeth were causing me any problem. They just told me they were going to remove them. So the idea that members of the military should be allowed to make decisions about vaccines is completely foreign to me.

When you swear the oath, you hand your balls to the government, knowing they are under no obligation to return them.

I was saying that the general public will give you accolades for serving in the military then on the other hand those same people will tell those same veterans they are not shit if they don't want to get the vaccine. Which is it? Am I the best ever, or am I a piece of shit? Or does it just depend on which side of the issue I stand on at the moment? Same as everyone was labeled heros and essential workers this time last year. Now if those same people don't want the vaccine they don't even deserve to feed their families; fired!

[The Cane]

So I think first we need to understand well what freedom we are talking about.

Nice discourse LOL. But here, it's quite plain to see what we're talking about. That would be the freedom to choose whether to be vaccinated against COVID or not. That's what we're talking about. In case anybody didn't know.

[JustTK]

What I often say is that it isn't "freedom" that some people are talking about, but rather "license" (the ability to act with wantonness or disregard). People (especially Americans) are quick to assert their rights, but not too quick to acknowledge their obligations. They're all about freedom of self-expression, but have little time for self-restraint. It's all about them and what they want to do (or not do) when and where and how.

Freedom is a very broad subject. I see little point on criticising or objecting to someone else's interpretation of it unless it is clear in what sense they are referring to it. One could mean freedom of choice, freedom of expression, of movement, from prison. There are countless ways in which we can discuss freedom.

A great example of it is when I discuss politics with liberals or conservatives. Typically they insist that they would hate to live under communism or socialism bcos it would take away their freedom. BUt, apart from that being a complete misunderstanding of both communism or socialism, I typcially respond with. So when we consider freedom, we cannot simply think of our own personal liberty, we need to consider that of society as well, because it is a part of us; it is who we are. There is no freedom in notions of exploitation, individualisation and atomisation. Freedom is found in egalitarianism, in the common good of constructing an ideal world for all sentient beings.

"To be free is not merely to cast off one's own chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others". Nelson Mandela.

So I think first we need to understand well what freedom we are talking about.

[JustTK]

Hear hear .... awesome quote

That's 2 friendly replies in one day. Whats wrong w you? Were you drunk? Hehe.

[The Cane]

Most people don't understand freedom. What they want instead of freedom, which you already have, is freedom from consequences. Anything you can imagine you have the freedom to attempt. However, others and society have the freedom to halt your attempt, or impose consequences. The consequences are often not equitably applied, but they are there. You're free not to get vaccinated, but like everything else, there may be consequences.

Amen brother! What I often say is that it isn't "freedom" that some people are talking about, but rather "license" (the ability to act with wantonness or disregard). People (especially Americans) are quick to assert their rights, but not too quick to acknowledge their obligations. They're all about freedom of self-expression, but have little time for self-restraint. It's all about them and what they want to do (or not do) when and where and how. But you know what? If you don't want to get vaccinated? Fine. But, you're not going to have your cake and eat it too. There will be consequences. You don't get to travel and / or you have restrictions placed upon you that the vaccinated traveler doesn't face. Don't want to vaccinate your kids either? OK, then they don't get to go to school. And when you get up tomorrow morning? You just may not have a job to go to that pays your bills. Consequences! Do as you please. But you best be prepared to accept the consequences. Far too many people aren't. They want to have their cake and eat it too. Nope! When it comes to fighting COVID, we're done with that. Get vaxxed or get axed! As they say in Thailand, up to you.

[PVMonger]

---SNIP--- Same as me being a military veteran.

Were you "forced" to get vaccinated during basic training? Was every recruit? Did they have a choice?

[BlackThought]

https://amgreatness.com/2021/10/17/l...onomy-matters/

What's the matter coward? Don't have a passport to prove your extensive mongering experience? Jajaj LOL. You've gotten exposed and ran out of the threads lmao. Haven't seen anything so pathetic jajaj.

[JjBee62]

Please list any member of the "right-wing" who is advocating for others to not get vaccinated. As for politics, this is what Kamala Harris said about the vaccine in the Vice Presidential debate in October of last year "If the public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, I'll be the first in line to take it. Absolutely. But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I'm not taking it.".

I'll just list one: Rand Paul.

As for your closing comment, let me put it into perspective. If your local garbage collector tells you that you need to have a double bypass surgery, are you going to rush to the hospital to schedule the surgery? Or would you take the advice of a cardiologist over the advice of a garbage collector on matters of cardiology? Take all the time you need to think it over.

Has the light bulb clicked on yet?

If you go back and read your quote here's what it boils down to:

If Fauci said get the vaccine and Trump said don't get the vaccine, she would have gotten the vaccine. If Fauci said get the vaccine and Trump said get the vaccine, she would have gotten the vaccine. If both said don't get the vaccine, she wouldn't have gotten the vaccine. However, if Fauci said don't get the vaccine, but Trump said get the vaccine, she would have taken the advice of someone who is recognized around the world as one of the foremost experts over someone with zero credentials.

Does that seem wrong to you? Because it seems perfectly normal to me.

If the advice of someone who knows absolutely nothing about a subject runs contrary to the advice of all the experts on the subject, it doesn't seem difficult to decide which path to take. If all the experts on the subject give advice, do you wait to find out if the person who knows nothing on the subject agrees, before making a decision?

And it doesn't matter to me whether the advice comes from a Republican or Democrat. I refuse to consider medical advice from someone who is not qualified over someone who is qualified.

[MarquisdeSade1]

I am not anti-vax. I am anti hypocritical bullshit. My country has a history of preaching one thing and practicing another. You better not have slaves and treat people bad, meanwhile we are over here with slaves and treating people bad. Where did Adolf Hitler say he got his way of doing things? He just followed the example of America.

They fill the population with BS to get them to do what they want. Why is it not mandatory for the mfs that are making laws for everyone to be vaccinated to be vaccinated themselves? That is some red flag do what we say and not what we do stuff to me.

Why was everybody heros for going out bravely working during the pandemic when there was no vaccine to speak of, and now those same people are billed as selfish pieces of shit not even worthy of having a job when they want to forego taking the vaccine and risking their own lives same as before? Same as me being a military veteran. Thanks for your service to the country, but fuck you you do not deserve shit because you don't want to take a vaccine.

This kind of shit just gets my goat. I am called free as long as I am doing what you are making me do. The minute I no longer want to follow the path that I am pushed into, freedom REVOKED! The pandemic has definitely shown me that this freedom rhetoric is definitely a sham.

https://amgreatness.com/2021/10/22/l...arian-control/

[MarquisdeSade1]

"We now live in a nation where doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the press destroys information, religion destroys morals, and our banks destroy the economy. " ― Chris Hedges.

Chris Hedges is a very intelligent writer.

[JustTK]

Please list any member of the "right-wing" who is advocating for others to not get vaccinated. As for politics, this is what Kamala Harris said about the vaccine in the Vice Presidential debate in October of last year "If the public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, I'll be the first in line to take it. Absolutely. But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I'm not taking it.".

Tucker Carlson is one. To anyone outsdie the USA, Kamala Harris is also right wing. And Joe Biden. They certainly lie like right wingers.

[JjBee62]

I am not anti-vax. I am anti hypocritical bullshit. My country has a history of preaching one thing and practicing another. You better not have slaves and treat people bad, meanwhile we are over here with slaves and treating people bad. Where did Adolf Hitler say he got his way of doing things? He just followed the example of America.

They fill the population with BS to get them to do what they want. Why is it not mandatory for the mfs that are making laws for everyone to be vaccinated to be vaccinated themselves? That is some red flag do what we say and not what we do stuff to me.

Why was everybody heros for going out bravely working during the pandemic when there was no vaccine to speak of, and now those same people are billed as selfish pieces of shit not even worthy of having a job when they want to forego taking the vaccine and risking their own lives same as before? Same as me being a military veteran. Thanks for your service to the country, but fuck you you do not deserve shit because you don't want to take a vaccine..

Some thoughts about your rant.

If you do some checking you will find many who are supporting vaccination posted publicly when they were vaccinated. But to turn it around why is it acceptable for someone who got the vaccine to urge people to not get vaccinated. I believe you'll find that is much more common than what you suggested.

Maybe there were some drastic changes between when I served and when you served. When I was in boot camp. They didn't ask me how I wanted my hair cut, didn't ask what style of uniforms I wanted to wear and didn't ask which vaccines I wanted. They didn't even tell me which vaccines I was receiving. They also didn't ask if my wisdom teeth were causing me any problem. They just told me they were going to remove them. So the idea that members of the military should be allowed to make decisions about vaccines is completely foreign to me.

When you swear the oath, you hand your balls to the government, knowing they are under no obligation to return them.

Most people don't understand freedom. What they want instead of freedom, which you already have, is freedom from consequences. Anything you can imagine you have the freedom to attempt. However, others and society have the freedom to halt your attempt, or impose consequences. The consequences are often not equitably applied, but they are there.

You're free not to get vaccinated, but like everything else, there may be consequences. Just about everywhere has rules about acceptable behavior, acceptable speech, acceptable clothing, even acceptable extracurricular activities. If you're on a flight bound for Barranquilla and it turns around because some passenger is exercising his freedom which is against airline regulations, are you going to be mad at the airline for restricting freedom, or at the guy who started screaming about having to wear a mask?

A white supervisor at my company was just fired this week for a remark he made to a black employee. I didn't witness the exchange, and I don't know if his meaning was racist, but what he said certainly qualifies as racist language. What are your thoughts about his freedom?

One final not. Didn't you post something about using someone else's Covid test results, and about faking a vaccination card? I either fundamentally different from someone who is unvaccinated mandating vaccination?