Stupid shit in Medellin

[PVMonger]

I don't deny they save lives. As I said, I am not anti-science. I just don't believe my life (or anyone's) is more important than an innocent and non-consenting beings that are tortured in laboratories for it. We have to find better ways to develop medicines. Its not "stupdiity". Its a hard-deontological ethical position. Respect the lives and rights of other sentient beings.

Sure there is a risk associated with my decision, but I am happy to take it. Don't forget that the avge real death rate is very low. Plus I don't have any mitigating factors against me. I am not over 65, I am in good health, and I have a diet that gives me 73% better COVID outcomes than meateaters. So my personal risk is far lower.

As for spreading the disease. Well, anyone can spread it. Vaxd, non-vaxd, previously infected. Case rates are spiking in plenty of highly vaxd countries. I don't think I have any potential guilt there. If I am sick I will stay home.

The one thing that vaccine avoiders always forget to mention is how their decision to not get vaccinated affects others.

You may be in great health and your risk of catching COVID may be low. But if you catch it, do you know for certain how many days there are after infection but before symptoms develop? I'll bet you don't. The delta variant has an R0 of 6 or more. If you have 3 days of "spreadability", you personally could infect 18 people. Each one of them could infect 18 in 3 days. That's 324 infections.

As to your "Well, anyone can spread it. Vaxd, non-vaxd, previously infected. Case rates are spiking in plenty of highly vaxd countries." assertion, you are correct but only partially. That's because your numbers don't break down by age. https://news.yahoo.com/simplest-expl...095512097.html.

[Elvis 2008]

Its not "stupdiity". Its a hard-deontological ethical position. Respect the lives and rights of other sentient beings.

Sure there is a risk associated with my decision, but I am happy to take it. Don't forget that the avge real death rate is very low. Plus I don't have any mitigating factors against me. I am not over 65, I am in good health, and I have a diet that gives me 73% better COVID outcomes than meateaters. So my personal risk is far lower.

As for spreading the disease. Well, anyone can spread it. Vaxd, non-vaxd, previously infected. Case rates are spiking in plenty of highly vaxd countries. I don't think I have any potential guilt there. If I am sick I will stay home.

I need to add a couple of things. I have advised some people not to get shots. If you are living an isolated life and are in good health, the risks of the vaccine may outweigh the benefit. The stupidity was aimed at this individual who is in a position where she absolutely should have gotten vaccinated.

Sorry, I do not buy the good diet and good health schtick. That was the case with the previous variant. Delta is something else. It is actually milder for most people but not for some. I am seeing younger people with no comorbidities getting slammed. Before the only people who really got horribly sick with Covid were older or diabetic.

Thing is Covid causes the immune system to react and cause blood clots. That is why people can be a little sick one day and nearly dead from shortness of breath the next and who clots and why as far as I can tell is unpredictable.

Again, I am not the typical pro-vaccine guy. I think it has risks and some people should not get it. I think Fauci saying natural immunity is nothing and those previously infected getting vaxxed is his being an idiot again. I think people who travel and monger though should get vaccinated for sure, at least getting one shot. Side effects with just one shot are pretty low for most / many people.

Colombia had its own variant apparently. I am not sure how much Delta has gotten there or if the lambda version is going to hit Colombia hard. I wish that their case load stayed this low, but that just does not seem to be what this virus does.

[MarquisdeSade1]

I don't deny they save lives. As I said, I am not anti-science. I just don't believe my life (or anyone's) is more important than an innocent and non-consenting beings that are tortured in laboratories for it. We have to find better ways to develop medicines. Its not "stupdiity". Its a hard-deontological ethical position. Respect the lives and rights of other sentient beings.

Sure there is a risk associated with my decision, but I am happy to take it. Don't forget that the avge real death rate is very low. Plus I don't have any mitigating factors against me. I am not over 65, I am in good health, and I have a diet that gives me 73% better COVID outcomes than meateaters. So my personal risk is far lower.

As for spreading the disease. Well, anyone can spread it. Vaxd, non-vaxd, previously infected. Case rates are spiking in plenty of highly vaxd countries. I don't think I have any potential guilt there. If I am sick I will stay home.

https://news.yahoo.com/mississippis-...093113372.html

[MarquisdeSade1]

JusTK,

I will tell you what I tell everyone. It is great to have that view but when you come to a hospital with low oxygen levels and tell a staff you are not vaccinated, you are going to get horrific comments and care from a medical staff.

I told a woman about this who was unvaccinated and she went off on what medical staff was saying but when she is sick, she is not going to be able to talk. It is not just staffs that are sick of the stupidity, it is also that these patients are spreading the disease around.

It is one thing to be high and mighty and against the vaccine in principle, but I see antivaxxers a lot like smokers. You should hear what smokers do when they find out they have lung cancer. Sheer denial.

I make fun of Fauci all the time but not getting at least one shot IMO is endangering others. So understand you may soon be choosing between vivisection and breathing.

This delta variant is some scary shit. In my experience, the CDC was right. It is as contagious as chicken pox. If your country is one not seeing much delta, do not worry, it will come.

I will blast all the Fauci and his fuckers for their stupid views like social distancing, staying home and staying safe, and their nazi like attitude on masks. But vaccines are another matter. They save lives.

https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2021/08...y-second-dose/

[MarquisdeSade1]

I don't deny they save lives. As I said, I am not anti-science. I just don't believe my life (or anyone's) is more important than an innocent and non-consenting beings that are tortured in laboratories for it. We have to find better ways to develop medicines. Its not "stupdiity". Its a hard-deontological ethical position. Respect the lives and rights of other sentient beings.

Sure there is a risk associated with my decision, but I am happy to take it. Don't forget that the avge real death rate is very low. Plus I don't have any mitigating factors against me. I am not over 65, I am in good health, and I have a diet that gives me 73% better COVID outcomes than meateaters. So my personal risk is far lower.

As for spreading the disease. Well, anyone can spread it. Vaxd, non-vaxd, previously infected. Case rates are spiking in plenty of highly vaxd countries. I don't think I have any potential guilt there. If I am sick I will stay home.

A strict deontological position? That's cool Ill take all the anti vaxers doses.

I feel like I get a lot of exposure in my day to day, I'm willing to take the vax 1 x per week!! Fuck it 1 x per day!!

The CCP ain't takin me out like this.

[MarquisdeSade1]

I don't deny they save lives. As I said, I am not anti-science. I just don't believe my life (or anyone's) is more important than an innocent and non-consenting beings that are tortured in laboratories for it. We have to find better ways to develop medicines. Its not "stupdiity". Its a hard-deontological ethical position. Respect the lives and rights of other sentient beings.

Sure there is a risk associated with my decision, but I am happy to take it. Don't forget that the avge real death rate is very low. Plus I don't have any mitigating factors against me. I am not over 65, I am in good health, and I have a diet that gives me 73% better COVID outcomes than meateaters. So my personal risk is far lower.

As for spreading the disease. Well, anyone can spread it. Vaxd, non-vaxd, previously infected. Case rates are spiking in plenty of highly vaxd countries. I don't think I have any potential guilt there. If I am sick I will stay home.

Aggravating factors?

[JustTK]

It is not just staffs that are sick of the stupidity, it is also that these patients are spreading the disease around.
So understand you may soon be choosing between vivisection and breathing.
But vaccines are another matter. They save lives.

I don't deny they save lives. As I said, I am not anti-science. I just don't believe my life (or anyone's) is more important than an innocent and non-consenting beings that are tortured in laboratories for it. We have to find better ways to develop medicines. Its not "stupdiity". Its a hard-deontological ethical position. Respect the lives and rights of other sentient beings.

Sure there is a risk associated with my decision, but I am happy to take it. Don't forget that the avge real death rate is very low. Plus I don't have any mitigating factors against me. I am not over 65, I am in good health, and I have a diet that gives me 73% better COVID outcomes than meateaters. So my personal risk is far lower.

As for spreading the disease. Well, anyone can spread it. Vaxd, non-vaxd, previously infected. Case rates are spiking in plenty of highly vaxd countries. I don't think I have any potential guilt there. If I am sick I will stay home.

[Elvis 2008]

BTW. I am not vaccinated. Not bcos I think the vax is dangerous or smthg like that. Simply bcos I don't agree with vivisection. Other than that, I don't have skin in the game. And would like to think I am open to accepting the science, whichever way it leads. The problem is that so many are making the same claim even though they are obvioulsy not open to the science. I am having so many arguments with my real friends on Facebook bcos they are showing themselves to be sheeple.

JusTK,

I will tell you what I tell everyone. It is great to have that view but when you come to a hospital with low oxygen levels and tell a staff you are not vaccinated, you are going to get horrific comments and care from a medical staff.

I told a woman about this who was unvaccinated and she went off on what medical staff was saying but when she is sick, she is not going to be able to talk. It is not just staffs that are sick of the stupidity, it is also that these patients are spreading the disease around.

It is one thing to be high and mighty and against the vaccine in principle, but I see antivaxxers a lot like smokers. You should hear what smokers do when they find out they have lung cancer. Sheer denial.

I make fun of Fauci all the time but not getting at least one shot IMO is endangering others. So understand you may soon be choosing between vivisection and breathing.

This delta variant is some scary shit. In my experience, the CDC was right. It is as contagious as chicken pox. If your country is one not seeing much delta, do not worry, it will come.

I will blast all the Fauci and his fuckers for their stupid views like social distancing, staying home and staying safe, and their nazi like attitude on masks. But vaccines are another matter. They save lives.

[John Clayton]

...Simply bcos I don't agree with vivisection. Other than that...

What? ...amazing.

[Osteoknot]

Love reading your reports Osteoknot, you're a legend but they also make me happy my drug taking days are behind me jaja.

You're definitely living the life though, respect.

I would never suggest someone take up recreational drugs as a lifestyle. Generally a very bad idea. I don't promote it. And super respect for anyone who went there, beat it, and came out alive on the other side. But here's my Sir-Mix-A-Lot Big Butt. The pink shit is different. Mine is custom, and the ingredients are pharmaceutical grade. Muy puro. And as I recently posted, the lines are about to become very blurred in society about what is recreational and what is therapeutic drug use. We are just on the cusp now. Mark my words.

But for someone who was raised in a household with an alcoholic or had a close friend or family member addicted to opioids or maybe even heroin, that will fall on totally deaf ears and I have complete empathy for their situation. I remember my dad used to say, "Do as I say, not as I do. " In reality, that is one of the biggest cop-out sayings of all time, jaja, no offense, dad, RIP.

As always, stories about recreational drugs are purely fictional and are for entertainment purposes only. I am simply doing research for a fictional book I am writing. I do not condone the use of illicit drugs and would never buy, sell, transport or use any illegal substances in any countries of the world.

[JustTK]

I am less than impressed with peer review. The issue is if other papers match the data of this one. That Israel is one of the most vaccinated nations on earth and is having a higher number of cases now than any time in its past are facts.

Well, a peer review would confirm if the data has been interpreted correctly and that there are no unsupported conclusions drawn from the data.

But for sure, it is quite amazing the way that cases are spiking in many of the most vaccinated countries. Something doesn't make sense from what officialdom is still trying to have us know.

If this study is approved by peers, I wonders how long it will take before governments start to accept the findings. How long they will continue to try to push their faulty narratives.

BTW. I am not vaccinated. Not bcos I think the vax is dangerous or smthg like that. Simply bcos I don't agree with vivisection. Other than that, I don't have skin in the game. And would like to think I am open to accepting the science, whichever way it leads. The problem is that so many are making the same claim even though they are obvioulsy not open to the science. I am having so many arguments with my real friends on Facebook bcos they are showing themselves to be sheeple.

[Elvis 2008]

That article on vaccines. Wow, that will be dynamite. So many science followers will now be searching thru their ad hominems. Haha. TBF though, the Bloomberg article does say the data has yet to be peer reviewed. So there is still time for smthg to be found. Where would that leave us in terms of global (western) policy? It would be in ruins. Back to sending our children off to school to catch measles, chicken pox and mumps. Haha. . well, I did that when I was a child. Much better than torturing animals in laboratories in order to create vaccines IMO.

Here is the science article, and the guy PVMonger refers to is very anti-vaccine: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021...ection-parties.

I should say up front that I am not an anti-vaxxer and have been vaccinated. I was commenting on Lord Fauci's BS about the 3rd vaccine dose. THAT proclamation was not based on science, and the vaccine was rammed through the FDA.

But this is just more of the same. The Democratic douches get a bunch of "scientists" together who vote and declare whatever they vote on scientific and insist via force that is science, and I cannot stand that. "Scientific" guidelines in the Western world have become de facto laws.

I am less than impressed with peer review. The issue is if other papers match the data of this one. That Israel is one of the most vaccinated nations on earth and is having a higher number of cases now than any time in its past are facts.

What is also a fact is that when Colombia ended its stupid quarantine, the number of cases plummeted. Stay safe, stay home was completely bone headed advice given that most cases of Covid were transmitted at home.

The 3rd vaccine dose is more of the same. I am in Mexico now and the number of people wearing masks outside blows me away.

[MarquisdeSade1]

Maybe better questions would be:

1. Who is the Alex Berenson mentioned in the article and does he have any credibility? https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...st-man/618475/ and https://www.thedailybeast.com/covid-...d-from-twitter.

2. Is the Israeli study referred to in the article a peer-reviewed, double-blind study? It isn't.

Rather than taking an adult approach and laying out all of the facts, good and bad, the music man simply blathers.

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/bi...29/id/1034224/

[JustTK]

It is a good paper and summary. Thing is it is like most standards. You get a bunch of scientists together and vote and proclaim it science when that is the definition of politics, people voting. Science is objective data not consensus.
But the Democratic douches still worship the "scientists". This is the latest Fauci debacle. Here he is pumping vaccines over natural immunity when for the Delta variant, natural immunity works 13 X better: https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/e...cines-stopping.

Yes I totally agree. So many people claim to follow the science, but only so far as it supports their POV. Haha.

What I like about the article on masks is that it analysies CRTs. This is the gold standard in research. You can't argue with the results.

That article on vaccines. Wow, that will be dynamite. So many science followers will now be searching thru their ad hominems. Haha. TBF though, the Bloomberg article does say the data has yet to be peer reviewed. So there is still time for smthg to be found. Where would that leave us in terms of global (western) policy? It would be in ruins. Back to sending our children off to school to catch measles, chicken pox and mumps. Haha. . well, I did that when I was a child. Much better than torturing animals in laboratories in order to create vaccines IMO.

[PVMonger]

It is a good paper and summary. Thing is it is like most standards. You get a bunch of scientists together and vote and proclaim it science when that is the definition of politics, people voting. Science is objective data not consensus.

The USA is such a nanny state right now that most people embrace the government telling them what to do versus giving them helpful guidelines. I would say when it is most important to wear a mask instead of shaming people on wearing it all the time.

I still cannot believe how many people wear masks outside. Thank God that is over in the USA.

But the Democratic douches still worship the "scientists". This is the latest Fauci debacle. Here he is pumping vaccines over natural immunity when for the Delta variant, natural immunity works 13 X better: https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/e...cines-stopping.

Instead of reading the study the article is based on, you will have a douche say, "Zero Hedge huh? Yeesh. " Their playbook is so predictable. You piss in their face, and they swear it is champagne.

Maybe better questions would be:

1. Who is the Alex Berenson mentioned in the article and does he have any credibility? https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...st-man/618475/ and https://www.thedailybeast.com/covid-...d-from-twitter.

2. Is the Israeli study referred to in the article a peer-reviewed, double-blind study? It isn't.

Rather than taking an adult approach and laying out all of the facts, good and bad, the music man simply blathers.