Stupid shit in Medellin

[JjBee62]

Whether you're happy with the Colombian election results or not, look at the bright side. Quite a few Colombian women vowed to post a picture in a thong if Petro won. Twitter and Facebook are entertaining today.

[JjBee62]

An almost-developed country, Colombia, gets a new president and people use it as an excuse to espouse their own political predilections, glory and doom, while ignoring reality?

This discussion, as do most political discussions, rises almost to the same level for me as one of my favorite (original) allegories, "a pack of rabid pitbulls in a pool of piranha" that I used here to describe the vaccine debates, all points there now moot, as I predicted.

JuJuBee comes across as an appropriately sardonic voice of reason on this topic. Where do people get the idea that change occurs so easily?? Modern politics move in sludge. No one asked me, and I am not going to give another opinion on this thread.

My guy lost. I doubt I will notice any direct impact on my-way-of-being. Actually, I loved Catgirl's response when I asked her if she cared to share who she was going to vote for, she told me, "I have a blank. " Jajajajjaajajajaaaaaa. She probably voted based on the sound of the candidates names, like many people do.

Before the first round of the Presidential election I asked my girlfriend* if she had properly prepared for the election. She wanted to know how to prepare. I told her the most important preparation was to buy a bottle of tequila before the dry law went into effect. Worrying about the outcome of the election, once voting begins is completely useless. Might as well drink.

Catgirl was probably saying "Voto en Blanco."

https://thebogotapost.com/what-is-voto-en-blanco/29983/

[Elvis 2008]

They do. But the ones that allow the USA a free pass to exploit its resources, are tolerated. Only the ones that refuse to be subservient are targetted for coups and embargoes and wars.

Maybe that is how things were, but Venezuela constantly went back on its word. The Europeans and Chinese got screwed just as badly as the Americans in Venezuela. Exxon sued Venezuela in world court and won. Chavez was convinced the Western world needed his oil but companies invested in USA shale and the Vaca Muerta field in Argentina.

https://www.bbva.com/en/vaca-muerta-...e-gas-deposit/

The USA Department of Energy calculated that combined, USA And Argentina's shale gas and shale oil resources account for 32% of the world's crude and 10% of its natural gas.

The villains in Bolivia were not American energy companies but Brazilian. Morales sent out the national guard to seize the natural gas wells and Lula wisely backed off a military action. Afterwards, Morales reneged on the original deal, raised gas prices, and had a short lived economic miracle. Of course, any action like this, stealing what is not yours, works in the short run but fails in the long run because no one wants to invest in a country where you build up a business and once it is profitable, the government steals it or buys it on the cheap.

Venezuelan law was that any country in Venezuela had to pay out 50% of its profits to shareholders in the form of dividends. The goal was to make sure shareholders do not get ripped off by companies and to me, that was an interesting take but when I went to Venezuela after having invested in said phone company, the Venezuelans were hostile to any Americans getting one penny of dividends. And that is when I knew the company and country were doomed. Why would anyone invest in a country like that when you have ones like Chile who welcome you with open arms and are hostile towards the notion that stealing is okay?

For all the socialistic talk of helping the poor, demonizing the rich, and denouncing the USA, Hugo Chavez snuck out $8 billion and put it in his daughter's name and she currently lives in Miami. The issue with me is which kind of socialism / leftist policies is Colombia going to adopt: those of Venezuela and Bolivia or those of Chile.

[JustTK]

I thought that the US (CIA and FBI) hated all leftists.

They do. But the ones that allow the USA a free pass to exploit its resources, are tolerated. Only the ones that refuse to be subservient are targetted for coups and embargoes and wars.

[NorthernLight]

I'm pretty sure the US is going to take the same extreme action they took when Uruguay elected a former leftist rebel as President. And Colombia will probably experience the same total collapse as Uruguay under Mujica.

I love it. Excellent answer! People without background knowledge don't understand your humor. Hahaha.

[Elvis 2008]

I wonder how the election of the former guerilla Gustavo Petro will affect the mongering scene? Will prices increase? Will the scene decrease? Who knows with liberal policies it may expand exponentially. Your next p4p encounter may be performed by a former Abogada or Enfermera. It may become a Profesiand de estreno or worst case scenario time to find a new mongering scene.

In the near term, the Peso is probably going to go down because a lot of companies particularly the oil companies will move out or lower investment. This guy was against further oil drilling and probably used the climate change agenda to do so. What happened in Venezuela was the oil production went way down while drug trafficking went through the roof. The same happened in Bolivia though it was natural gas not oil. There they actually brag about the cocoa crop numbers exploding (for legitimate purposes of course). I am not sure why this happens. Does drug trafficking offer greater freedom than energy production? Or is Colombia like the USA where oil and gas production money is used by conservatives against the socialists / Democrats in the financial world? I would imagine it cannot be traced as easily by organizations like the IMF.

Oil is Colombia's #1 cash export so if they quit drilling, a falling peso is sure to result. The question then is if the narco operations are going to make up for the fall. They did in Bolivia but not in Venezuela. That would actually be good for mongers as the dollar would rise further still. The problem is you have promised the poor all this money and if you no longer have as much oil money, there likely will be relaxation on rules with regards to theft. In Brazil, Venezuela, Bolivia, Mexico, and even now in many of the Democratic states in the USA, theft went through the roof when the socialists moved in.

Duque was looking at tourism as Colombia's next great money maker, a good move, but he botched it IMO with his horrible Covid response. If he kept Colombia open like Mexico did, tourists would have flooded the country. If this guy wants to go ahead with the plan, he better keep Colombia safe or at least not worse with regards to safety.

The narcos like their women so the chance of the hobby going way down is unlikely. OTOH, in a few years, I suspect mongers will be looking over their shoulders a lot more than ever before.

[Osteoknot]

Probably just as much as things were affected in <fill in almost any country in the world> under <fill in almost any elected leader>. In other words, no.

An almost-developed country, Colombia, gets a new president and people use it as an excuse to espouse their own political predilections, glory and doom, while ignoring reality?

This discussion, as do most political discussions, rises almost to the same level for me as one of my favorite (original) allegories, "a pack of rabid pitbulls in a pool of piranha" that I used here to describe the vaccine debates, all points there now moot, as I predicted.

JuJuBee comes across as an appropriately sardonic voice of reason on this topic. Where do people get the idea that change occurs so easily?? Modern politics move in sludge. No one asked me, and I am not going to give another opinion on this thread.

My guy lost. I doubt I will notice any direct impact on my-way-of-being. Actually, I loved Catgirl's response when I asked her if she cared to share who she was going to vote for, she told me, "I have a blank. " Jajajajjaajajajaaaaaa. She probably voted based on the sound of the candidates names, like many people do.

[AmorPorFavor]

Petro won by a sliver. As I wrote earlier, he is said to have been funded heavily by narcos and right wing interests. During his victory speech tonight he swiftly moved to the center while pandering to the poor masses: "we support capitalism," "we will grow the economy to distribute it," "no more violence."

Who is saying that? People say a lot of things.

[JjBee62]

I wonder how the election of the former guerilla Gustavo Petro will affect the mongering scene? Will prices increase? Will the scene decrease? Who knows with liberal policies it may expand exponentially. Your next p4p encounter may be performed by a former Abogada or Enfermera. It may become a Profesiand de estreno or worst case scenario time to find a new mongering scene.

1. Nothing at all will change until his inauguration.

2. After his inauguration nothing will continue to change for several months.

3. After several months there might be some tiny changes, but it will likely take years before they have a significant impact on the mongering scene.

4. There's a microscopic possibility he will attempt to make some drastic changes. If so, the Colombian Supreme Court will almost certainly whack his peepee and nothing will change.

[JjBee62]

Will that affect our 'entertainment'?

Probably just as much as things were affected in Uruguay under Mujica. In other words, no.

[JjBee62]

If Petro does to Colombia's oil industry what Hugo Chavez did to Venezuela, then it will be Venezuela 4.0 All over again.

Enjoy it while you still can.

Why would he? The situation in Venezuela is not comparable to the situation in Venezuela in 1999 and Petro isn't attempting to follow in Chavez's footsteps. Even if he looked at Venezuela, considered it's current state and decided "yep, that's exactly what I want for Colombia" he's dealing with a government which will happily restrict his power if they feel he's abusing or exceeding it.

[CeeJay1]

I wonder how the election of the former guerilla Gustavo Petro will affect the mongering scene? Will prices increase? Will the scene decrease? Who knows with liberal policies it may expand exponentially. Your next p4p encounter may be performed by a former Abogada or Enfermera. It may become a Profesiand de estreno or worst case scenario time to find a new mongering scene.

[Turgid]

I'm pretty sure the US is going to take the same extreme action they took when Uruguay elected a former leftist rebel as President. And Colombia will probably experience the same total collapse as Uruguay under Mujica.

Will that affect our 'entertainment'?

[Turgid]

Seriously? You think a leftist like Petro who believes in alleviating poverty and corruption in Colombia is "like" a military propped up dictator who believes in lining his own pockets and the rest of the population of Venezuela be damned. I don't think they are even remotely similar.

I didn't think it made a difference to the US. I thought that the US (CIA and FBI) hated all leftists. I am continually learning in politics.

[JjBee62]

You are sooooo neutral, LOL.

I'm old enough to have voted in 11 US Presidential elections. Before and after every election I've listened to people from both sides tell about the golden age coming if their candidate won and the total inevitable total collapse if the other guy won.

About the only noticeable change is the picture hanging in government offices. No golden age, no collapse, just minor changes that do almost nothing except get people to complain about how the nothing that happened under a previous President was much better or worse than the nothing happening under the current President.

The Colombian government, like most governments is a slow moving beast that doesn't like to change direction. It plods along no matter who holds the reins. Sometimes it shits on one side of the road, sometimes on the other, and occasionally right in the middle. The only guarantee is that everyone following the government is going to have to deal with some shit.