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  1. #3049
    Quote Originally Posted by Huacho  [View Original Post]
    A smoker who smokes around me is a selfish asshole, yes. Drug users, people with bad diets, etc. Does not affect me. COVID is contagious. A bad diet isn't.
    You don't seem to be applying the same rational to your arguments. You said not having vax is selfish bcos it clogs up health system (thus denying other people access to critical health care).

    So I asked you if you though my short list of items wer also selfish for the same reason. But then you switched argument and attacked them for different reasons, when that was not the question I put to you. So I ask again.

    A person that does no exercise, a person that has a bad diet, a motorcycle rider, a smoker, a drug user, a person that fks girls without condoms, . Everyone that assesses a personal risk and decides its acceptable for themselves and the health system, is a selfish arsehole or not, for accepting the possibility that they might clog up the healthcare system? If not, then please name the trait that differentiates them.

    Please answer straight. You are not allowed to attack them for other reasons. That is called DEFLECTING.

    I wathced this short video last night, and it could not have been more appropriate:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyJxdnOx7fA

    You can add to that list of selfish people, according to Huacho logic -anyone that votes Rep or DemParty, bcos they implement policies to reduce access to healthcare and numbers of beds. This denying others access to critical healthcare, just like the non-vaxd do. According to Huacho logic.

    Please, again, name the trait Huacho.

  2. #3048
    Quote Originally Posted by MrEnternational  [View Original Post]
    We were fucking away this afternoon bareback style when she told me that she wanted this unvaccinated dick to cum in her mouth so she could swallow it. She did a damn good job too. I hoped she was not infecting me with covid from all those sick vaccinated people she takes care of so I had to take a test right after. It was negative of course. But I think that if she was carrying anything then this unvaccinated skeet skeet was the cure she needed.

    About an hour later when me and my girl were eating dinner I asked her if she saw that weird sign on the door at the cellphone store that said no discrimination whatsoever is tolerated on these premises. She said yeah; funny they would say that and right in front of the sign get away with discriminating depending on who has a card and who doesn't. I told her that I like their style; fuck those rules!
    .
    That was on another level. Am sure it will fly right over them. Hehe.

  3. #3047
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnClayton  [View Original Post]
    It's pure bullshit. You've learned a few phrases that sound plausible, but it's bullshit.
    Sorry, John, are you saying that no one has had damaging clots after the vaccine? Because that would be pure bullshit.

    For the record, I got vaccinated in early 2020 and have no regrets about doing so and did so for medical purposes. Even with the newer risk profiles, I would still have gotten it done then. The benefit was for my health based on what was going on at that time.

    With the second shot, I was weary because of the reactions others were having to the vaccine so I spread out my doses. My arm pain was much more severe than the first one but my overall side effects were much less than other people I knew. I was glad that I spread out the vaccines and did not listen to the government.

    The benefit-risk ratio I made was not done based on health but based on politics because I wanted to travel and knew vaccine passports were on the way. The benefit had nothing to do with health and everything to do with politics. And that should never happen with health care decisions!

    The decisions on the booster and omicron were fucking nuts. There are too many people with natural immunity and the vaccinated community has antibodies levels all over the place. And given omicron was so much less potent than prior strains, I am not sure how you would prove benefit. As I said, you had teams that were 98% vaccinated, and 50% of the players came down with omicron.

    There are clotting induced side effects with the vaccine. The question is how common are they. I do not agree that 62% of people have damaging clots after the Covid vaccine, but I do want to know about the-dimer, CRP levels, and blood smears showing roleaux formation. What % of people have elevated levels and for how long are they elevated? I want to know what those levels were not just in the vaccinated but in those 20 people who died after getting the vaccine and the FDA said their deaths were not vaccine related.

    What is bullshit Jon is you do not have that data, and I do not have that data. And while you may be comfortable with the government monitoring system for side effects, I am not. I want the objective, raw data not their fucking opinions on cause of death.

  4. #3046
    Quote Originally Posted by Huacho  [View Original Post]
    Whereas any and all vax refusers are selfish assholes, current military who refuse are just unfathomable because they signed all those rights away when they enlisted. Retired military like you know this, and are just woofing because you're black and Tuskegee and yada fucken yada.
    Crazy shit is that I am in Peru with this nurse that works with covid patients. I have been messing with her 3 years and did not know she is a nurse. I always thought she was a firefighter. Turns out firefighting is her volunteer job (all firefighters in Peru are volunteers) but she is a full time nurse.

    Anyway she was telling me about the place she works were actually apartments they built for the PanAm Games. They were converting them to normal apartments but when covid came they had to convert them to hospitals. There are 7 towers 19 floors each (1 building with 20 floors) , I think 21 rooms on each floor and they are full with covid patients. She says she has to take care of 3 floors on her shift.

    We were fucking away this afternoon bareback style when she told me that she wanted this unvaccinated dick to cum in her mouth so she could swallow it. She did a damn good job too. I hoped she was not infecting me with covid from all those sick vaccinated people she takes care of so I had to take a test right after. It was negative of course. But I think that if she was carrying anything then this unvaccinated skeet skeet was the cure she needed.

    Believe it or not, there is a lot of shit that can be learned and experienced in this world when a person decides to come out from hiding (from covid) in their mom's basement.

    P.S. I went to the store to get a SIM card today. The girl working at the store had one of those lanyards around her neck with a plastic pouch. I could see she had a vaccination card from the USA. While I was standing in line outside she came and asked for my vaccination card so I could enter the store. I showed it to her. I said it is just like yours. She said yep; I went to USA to get vaccinated. Interesting she could not tell a difference in our cards.

    About an hour later when me and my girl were eating dinner I asked her if she saw that weird sign on the door at the cellphone store that said no discrimination whatsoever is tolerated on these premises. She said yeah; funny they would say that and right in front of the sign get away with discriminating depending on who has a card and who doesn't. I told her that I like their style; fuck those rules!

    P.P.S. My ex-girlfriend here also went to the USA like 1 year ago to get vaccinated. I got here and hit her up and she said that she can't see me because she is in quarantine due to her contracting covid. Selfish asshole abandoned her countrymen to go get a vaccine in another country and wound up getting covid! How you like them apples? Looks like that trip was a waste of money and time. That is what her ass gets for not coming to see me when she was there (although I don't believe I was in the country at the time anyway.) Why do damn near all the chicks I know in Lima have covid right now? Especially being that they are vaccinated.

    P.P.P.S. I will buy your ticket to the USA to see you argue with the court about what rights current military have and do not have. Let them know that YOU are the law around these parts and you have spoken!

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  5. #3045
    Quote Originally Posted by MrEnternational  [View Original Post]
    I guess I was right about this. Who all turned out to be wrong? (Hint:JjBabbleOn who I expect will be marching into federal court by Wednesday to explain at length to the bench that, in short, they don't know shit from applebutter). Maybe they will be undischarging those military personnel that were unjustly fired.

    Jan 21 (Reuters) - A judge in Texas ruled on Friday that President Joe Biden could not require federal employees to be vaccinated against the coronavirus and blocked the USA Government from disciplining employees who failed to comply.

    Biden issued an order requiring about 3.5 million workers to get vaccinated by Nov. 22 barring a religious or medical accommodation or else face discipline or firing.

    USA District Judge Jeffrey Brown said the question was whether Biden could "require millions of federal employees to undergo a medical procedure as a condition of their employment. That, under the current state of the law as just recently expressed by the Supreme Court, is a bridge too far. ".
    Whereas any and all vax refusers are selfish assholes, current military who refuse are just unfathomable because they signed all those rights away when they enlisted. Retired military like you know this, and are just woofing because you're black and Tuskegee and yada fucken yada.

  6. #3044
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnClayton  [View Original Post]
    It's pure bullshit. You've learned a few phrases that sound plausible, but it's bullshit.
    You sound like you've been reading posts written by Elvis.

  7. #3043
    I guess I was right about this. Who all turned out to be wrong? (Hint:JjBabbleOn who I expect will be marching into federal court by Wednesday to explain at length to the bench that, in short, they don't know shit from applebutter). Maybe they will be undischarging those military personnel that were unjustly fired.

    Jan 21 (Reuters) - A judge in Texas ruled on Friday that President Joe Biden could not require federal employees to be vaccinated against the coronavirus and blocked the USA Government from disciplining employees who failed to comply.

    Biden issued an order requiring about 3.5 million workers to get vaccinated by Nov. 22 barring a religious or medical accommodation or else face discipline or firing.

    USA District Judge Jeffrey Brown said the question was whether Biden could "require millions of federal employees to undergo a medical procedure as a condition of their employment. That, under the current state of the law as just recently expressed by the Supreme Court, is a bridge too far. ".

  8. #3042
    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis2008  [View Original Post]
    Of course, there is evidence, John. The mRNA vaccines trick the body into making a spike protein. The immune system reacts to it in a very similar reaction like there is with Covid with inflammation and clotting. It has to or the vaccine would not work.

    The vaccine manufacturers said the spike protein would just stay in the arm and if the clotting was just going on there, it is probably not going to hurt anyone, and they had support from the scientific community in the beginning.

    The problem is research is showing that is not the case: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/va...ngerous-toxin/.

    Vaccine researchers had assumed that novel mRNA COVID vaccines would behave like "traditional" vaccines and the vaccine spike protein responsible for infection and its most severe symptoms would remain mostly in the vaccination site at the shoulder muscle. Instead, the Japanese data showed that the infamous spike protein of the coronavirus gets into the blood where it circulates for several days post-vaccination and then accumulated in organs and tissues including the spleen, bone marrow, the liver, adrenal glands, and in "quite high concentrations" in the ovaries.

    And here is a study where the spike protein was found in the blood in 11 of 13 people who were vaccinated: https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance...iab465/6279075.

    And you can do blood smears in Covid patients and those vaccinated and see the red blood cells clumping up in the exact same way.
    It's pure bullshit. You've learned a few phrases that sound plausible, but it's bullshit.

  9. #3041
    Quote Originally Posted by JustTK  [View Original Post]
    So you would also think that a person that does no exercise, a person that has a bad diet, a motorcycle rider, a smoker, a drug user, a person that fks girls without condoms, . Everyone that assesses a personal risk and decides its acceptable for themselves and the health system. Is a selfish arsehole? If not, then please name the trait that differentiates them.
    A smoker who smokes around me is a selfish asshole, yes. Drug users, people with bad diets, etc. Does not affect me. COVID is contagious. A bad diet isn't. Any fucking moron should be able to differentiate. But you're not just any moron.

  10. #3040
    Quote Originally Posted by Huacho  [View Original Post]
    ...the conclusion is pretty clear: getting vaxxed helps both the vaxxed person and the hospital system. So, you're still a selfish asshole.
    So you would also think that a person that does no exercise, a person that has a bad diet, a motorcycle rider, a smoker, a drug user, a person that fks girls without condoms, . Everyone that assesses a personal risk and decides its acceptable for themselves and the health system. Is a selfish arsehole? If not, then please name the trait that differentiates them.

  11. #3039

    The Elvis School of Analysis

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnClayton  [View Original Post]
    This is simply false. There is no evidence for this at all. Hoffe is another in the line of anti-vaccine hucksters like Andrew Wakefield. In sum: there is no evidence, no science behind it, fake, a lie.
    Hoffe is a rural Canadian doctor with no expertise in epidemiology, virology or immunology. Which makes him exactly the kind of source Elvis would love. If a source agrees with the quackery that Elvis is preaching that source is elevated to "authority" status. Meanwhile well-informed opinions coming out of John Hopkins or the Mayo Clinic are just dismissed.

  12. #3038
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnClayton  [View Original Post]
    This is simply false. There is no evidence for this at all. Hoffe is another in the line of anti-vaccine hucksters like Andrew Wakefield. In sum: there is no evidence, no science behind it, fake, a lie.
    Of course, there is evidence, John. The mRNA vaccines trick the body into making a spike protein. The immune system reacts to it in a very similar reaction like there is with Covid with inflammation and clotting. It has to or the vaccine would not work.

    The vaccine manufacturers said the spike protein would just stay in the arm and if the clotting was just going on there, it is probably not going to hurt anyone, and they had support from the scientific community in the beginning.

    The problem is research is showing that is not the case: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/va...ngerous-toxin/.

    Vaccine researchers had assumed that novel mRNA COVID vaccines would behave like "traditional" vaccines and the vaccine spike protein responsible for infection and its most severe symptoms would remain mostly in the vaccination site at the shoulder muscle. Instead, the Japanese data showed that the infamous spike protein of the coronavirus gets into the blood where it circulates for several days post-vaccination and then accumulated in organs and tissues including the spleen, bone marrow, the liver, adrenal glands, and in "quite high concentrations" in the ovaries.

    And here is a study where the spike protein was found in the blood in 11 of 13 people who were vaccinated: https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance...iab465/6279075.

    And you can do blood smears in Covid patients and those vaccinated and see the red blood cells clumping up in the exact same way.

  13. #3037
    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis2008  [View Original Post]
    ...Dr. Charles Hoffe believes that the mRNA vaccines create microscopic blood clots in the capillaries of the vaccinated a...
    This is simply false. There is no evidence for this at all. Hoffe is another in the line of anti-vaccine hucksters like Andrew Wakefield. In sum: there is no evidence, no science behind it, fake, a lie.

  14. #3036
    Quote Originally Posted by JjBee62  [View Original Post]
    It's really quite simple. You've declared, more than once that I had a stroke, now backtracking to a mini-stroke.
    I did not say you had a stroke. Given the symptoms you listed here and what you shared here, assuming it was accurate, that was by far the most likely thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by JjBee62  [View Original Post]
    If I had a stroke, if there was any indication I had a stroke, that finding would be right there.
    Says who? https://wellbeingaotearoa.wordpress....les-hoffe-m-d/.

    Dr. Charles Hoffe believes that the mRNA vaccines create microscopic blood clots in the capillaries of the vaccinated and at least 60 percent of mRNA based vaccine recipients could eventually succumb to heart failure. When the media claims that blood clots causing strokes and heart damage are very rare they refer to those (large ones) seen only CT scans, angiograms and MRIs. The clots Hoffe is talking about are microscropic and scattered throughout the body within the capillary network so they are not going to show up on any CT scan. The majority of the blood clots are microscopic and remain undetected, unless the-Dimer tests are performed within a specific timeframe.

    And with Covid patients: Of the 287 patients with COVID-19, 92.3 percent of patients had plasma the-dimer levels of 0.05 g / ML. https://www.practiceupdate.com/conte...atients/124985.

    At admission, 1823 (76%) study of Covid patients had raised the-dimer, https://acutecaretesting.org/en/jour...-with-covid-19.

    I would ask what your the-dimer level JJBee but I would bet your doctors did not do one. And if you did say you had a the-dimer and it was normal, I would not believe you.

    No one told you did not have a stroke or clot JJBee because no one could exclude it and certainly not in a patient with your history. So when most patients have an elevated the-dimer with Covid, how did you determine you did not have any clots or embolic events?

    Your neurologist may have told you that your MRI was negative or that there was no evidence of stroke on your MRI and you danced for joy thinking I was wrong, but that does not mean you did not have a stroke or ministroke dummy.

    A neurologist can catch shit if he does not take someone's license away with a neurological event. So you may attach great importance to what the neurologist wrote, but it is just an opinion based on what you told him and if he has half a brain, he is going to put down the most benign diagnosis he can think of. If you are still driving, he is not going to put down a diagnosis like stroke or ministroke because it can come back and bite him in the ass if you have a wreck.

  15. #3035
    Quote Originally Posted by JustTK  [View Original Post]
    So now do you accept that I, as a healthy person, have a right to decline a vax and take my risks with the virus?
    Of course not. To quote myself, the conclusion is pretty clear: getting vaxxed helps both the vaxxed person and the hospital system. So, you're still a selfish asshole.

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