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11-11-21 05:49 #2129
Posts: 1680Rofl
Originally Posted by JustTK [View Original Post]
A lot of Euros love to run their mouths, until they need us, and they inevitably do. The two World Wars are just two of many examples, and of many more to come.
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11-11-21 05:21 #2128
Posts: 14Originally Posted by JjBee62 [View Original Post]
I started reading some of the posts on this board a few weeks ago, and you always struck me as a very level-headed guy. This post however was a bit of a head scratcher.
I am not a vegan, but I fully recognize how much damage to the planet and animal suffering is caused by the meat industry. With all due respect, your rationale and bean examples seem a bit underwhelming in light of the fact that less than 10% of all soy is used for human food products such as tofu and soy milk, and a large number of studies suggest that global land use could drop tremendously if everybody went vegan (for example https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aaq0216). I recognize that I might be missing something, and I'd certainly be open to change my mind if you can corroborate your statements. I also recognize that this board is not about diet choices, but then, I didn't start it.
Ethical concerns aside, I disagree with most of JustTK's statements about vaccination, but that doesn't mean I have to disagree with him if he says the sky is blue.
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11-11-21 04:45 #2127
Posts: 1026Originally Posted by JustTK [View Original Post]
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11-11-21 03:56 #2126
Posts: 14Originally Posted by JustTK [View Original Post]
Apologies for not responding to you earlier, I have been very busy at work. I am also an ultra runner, so there are always days where I just run, eat, and sleep, and don't do anything else.
I did not know that your objection to the vaccine was primarily because of ethical reasons. I fully agree that lots of unsavory things happen at pharma, but it stands to reason how much blame can be put on them in this instance, since testing was required by law. Here is PETA's take on this:
"The goal of being vegan and advocating for animal rights should always be to bring about positive change for animals. As long as tests on animals are a legal requirement, refusing to take a medicine on ethical grounds will not help animals who have already been used in tests or spare any the same fate in the future. ".
https://www.peta.org.uk/blog/vegans-covid-19-vaccine/
So while there are differing opinions, I think no reasonable person would / should give you too much grief if you cite plausible ethical concerns for not getting vaccinated. Taking this into account, I would still argue you should get vaccinated in part because prolonging the pandemic invariably will result in more animal experiments being carried out, which is completely counter to what you want to achieve. Perfect can be the enemy of good.
That said, in many of your posts it seems you are grasping for straws, trying to come up with additional explanations why people shouldn't get vaccinated (and I suspect this is because you want this to be true). Unfortunately, this is where the wheels are coming off in your reasoning, as several people have pointed out. Your post on "vaccinated just as likely to spread virus as unvaccinated" is another example in my opinion, as it seems to escape you what conditional probabilities are. What is the chance a person from Utah you see is a Mormon? What is the chance a person from Utah you see is a Mormon, given he is lying drunk in the gutter? Totally different. The same thing in the paper you cite, which reports on transmissions in a household *given the vaccinated person had a breakthrough infection. It is not very surprising if you spend an extended period of time with an infectious person that you don't see a big difference in rates of transmissions comparing breakthrough and natural infections (even though by all accounts people with natural infections are infectious for a longer time). If you had read the manuscript, you probably would have noticed this sentence in the abstract:
"Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts."
Reducing this to "vaccinated just as likely to spread virus as unvaccinated" is absurd. I am going back to my first response to you: it is not helpful to "amplify stuff you read somewhere without understanding the meaning of it. Be better. And dare to think for yourself. " I fully respect your ethical concerns, but I don't think you are doing yourself a favor peddling some nonsensical soundbites.
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11-11-21 03:31 #2125
Posts: 3160Originally Posted by ShooBree [View Original Post]
If you are going to make a side by side comparison, you have to know which variants there are, how cases are reported, how the diagnosis is made, and how one determines if Covid was the cause of death or just along for the ride, and no one cared if that data was accurate. In Italy, of all the death attributed to Covid, only about 3% did not have comorbid risk factors. I have seen dozens of people with low oxygen and in respiratory distress, some in their 20's. On the other, I have seen exactly one person declared dead with Covid, a 93 year old with leukemia, a dubious claim to be sure.
On top of that, you have to account for other decisions. Sweden's early high death rate was much like New York's in that the vulnerable elderly were not isolated from those contaminated with Covid. That decision about the elderly is not factored into with Sweden by the media. No, the death rate was higher because they did not lock down.
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11-11-21 02:57 #2124
Posts: 16Originally Posted by JustTK [View Original Post]
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11-11-21 02:15 #2123
Posts: 2580Well jajajajaja
Originally Posted by MrEnternational [View Original Post]
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11-11-21 01:04 #2122
Posts: 1056But he "thinks"
Originally Posted by JustTK [View Original Post]
Even European heroes are better.
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11-11-21 00:37 #2121
Posts: 1056Hollywood's Wehrmacht
Originally Posted by Villainy [View Original Post]
90% of German casualties were on the Eastern Front. The Yanks came in late, robbing and raping all round them. They even make movies boasting about their thieves.
Now off you go and polish up your brasses on the USS Harvey Milk.
This Brit invented the Internet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Berners-Lee Americans do not invent. They just rob (from German physicists after WW2) and rape. Away and eat your Big Mac and Coke.
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11-11-21 00:33 #2120
Posts: 3160Originally Posted by ShooBree [View Original Post]
So how do you be a good douche? You just point and hate.
Trump: evil. Trump voters: more evil. And then you go down the list: Putin, Joe Rogin, Aaron Rogers, Dennis Prager, Sweden, those not vaccinated, and lately parents AKA domestic terrorists in Virginia (that one did not work out so well).
The douches are in foul mood because of Virginia, and they know what is coming.
You are a bad douche if you criticize Fauci because he is on your team. He did not fund development of the virus because he says so, and you cannot criticize China for making and screwing up and releasing the virus. No, that is racist, but Sweden is mostly white so they are fair douche game.
You will never beat a douche. They will never admit they are wrong. What they will do is go silent. They will debate censoring Trump on Twitter but when you tell them that their stupid censoring led to Trump starting his own media company which put $4 billion in his pocket they will be silent. That is really a foreshadow of things to come.
They demonize those who do not get vaccinated as selfish because they are spreading Covid (even though getting the vax does not prevent transmission), but when one of their own is symptomatic and spreads the virus over 2 continents, it is crickets. You cannot criticize your fellow douche. It hurts your score.
The douches wanted to destroy the world economy so Trump would not get re-elected. Mission accomplished, but they thought they could just turn it back on, and it does not work that way. I think the funniest issue is on oil. Do you get what a great unifier Joe Biden is? The prices on oil and gas have skyrocketed, and there is a ton, I mean a ton, of spare capacity in the system. You have a very diverse set of producers in OPEC, in Russia, and the American oil companies. Inevitably, one country or group would increase capacity to get at the spare cash and drive the price down. Because of Joe Biden, no one is cheating, and prices are up and staying there. The American rig count is half of what it was when oil was this high before.
So Sweden's greatest sin was not participating in the destruction of the world economy to get rid of Trump. Everyone else was willing to do it. The reason that Sweden did not is this was not up to the pols. It was the only country that had a health care professional in charge, and he had the audacity to look at lockdowns and say they have not been proven to work with Covid. Do no harm again.
And my hat is off to the Colombian people who also did not allow their government to destroy their economy by fighting lockdowns.
The douches are going to have to pull out all the stops in 2022 and 2024 and it is not going to work. For people who so hate Trump, no one can match him financially now. His being president in 2024 now is virtually his choice. And this time, Trump will have his personnel (and not Bush's personnel) to drain the swamp, and all these douches will be deprived of their precious swamp water and only then will these douches perish. It is not going to be reason or logic that does them in but their own stupid douche plans for domination.
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11-11-21 00:25 #2119
Posts: 1762Originally Posted by ShooBree [View Original Post]
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11-11-21 00:22 #2118
Posts: 1762Originally Posted by Villainy [View Original Post]
How cowardly to claim victory when you only turn up after the fighting is done. It reminds me of the Galdiator movie when Commodus turns up in Germania to claim the glory just as Maximus has finished the barbarians off. You guys and your warped versions of history make me laugh.
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11-11-21 00:15 #2117
Posts: 1762Originally Posted by JjBee62 [View Original Post]
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11-11-21 00:02 #2116
Posts: 1184Originally Posted by Villainy [View Original Post]
Its embarrassing to see the moronic shit you write, Europeans are working for European companies. The high paying jobs are with European companies. I don't know anyone who works for an American company. It always amuses me to visit Japan and hear what they think of the Americans they have had the displeasure of dealing with.
And lets face it, there are not many USAns working in Silicon Valley. You Americans are too stupid and uneducated to do the work properly so the companies have to hire Asians and Europeans.
And how about the American car industry, its shit. Its the worst shit I've ever seen, and I've seen French cars. Don't even get me started on Air Boeing. USA is dependend on tariffs because no one outside the US wants to buy their shit. Why? Because you are incompetent, you should have realized that a long time ago but you didn't as you USAns suffers from the Dunning Kruger-effect.
USA is about to go belly upp, just look at the debt and trade deficit.
The problem with you isn't only your lack of education, its the combination of how uneducated and arrogant you are.
USAns are a bit like King Midas but whatever you touch turns to shit. If you want to make something into an overprised tourist trap just send in the USAns! Because you have no clue about anything. You tip when no one else will tip and you overpay because you're ignorant&arrogant.
Its 2021, and you are still stuck in the 70's.
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11-10-21 23:24 #2115
Posts: 1184Originally Posted by Villainy [View Original Post]
No matter what childish insults you throw at me the fact remains that, unlike you, I have actually managed to back up my statements with facts and statistics.
You have yet to explain how lockdowns can be so great while at the same time Peru has twice the number of deaths per capita compared to Brazil and Colombia.
You also have to explain how the number of deaths per capita can be less or roughly the same in Sweden as it is in other Western European countries such as France, the UK, Belgium, Spain, Italy, Belgium, Austria, Luxembourg, Portugal and Switzerland.