Stupid shit in Medellin

[Mr Enternational]

And Mr. E are you paying your "girlfriend" with time? And is part of the time you spend with her in hopes of being charming enough so that she will have sex with you? And doesn't time equal money? So stop with the bullshit about I am not paying a "grown ass woman". You are paying. You are paying with time, and for a lot of us but maybe not you, time equals money.

Man stop being disingenuous. When someone says paying you know exactly they do not mean paying with time. If I go sign up for some courses, I would look like a damn fool asking the registrar how much time do I need to pay the school for these courses?

Are you 10 years old? Grown men do not have to hope someone has sex with them. When grown people like each other that is just what they do. There is no mysticism in having sex with someone. It is nature.

Time is only money when you are using that time for something in lieu of making planned money. If it is just planned free time that you are using then time would not be money. And money isn't everything. Some people value human interaction as worth more.

There is a guy in the Rio thread right now who is down in Brazil with plenty of money, but lamenting that Brazilians or foreigners that he is coming into contact with will not give him the time of day. Pocket full of money but can not make friends to enjoy his time with.

[Mr Enternational]

If you are helping out a woman you care about and are seeing other women, she is a sugar baby. If the woman is not getting a financial reward, you can call her a fuck buddy or a friend with benefits.

This is the dumbest shit I have ever heard. If you have a girlfriend that you do not give money to while you are seeing other women then she is only a fuck buddy or friend with benefits. Elvis does it again! So what is a wife called if her husband fucks with other women? What if a guy lives with a chick and she pays all the bills? What is she called then? What if a guys lives with his girlfriend and they split the bills 50/50. What is she called then? An even better question: What if you have a girlfriend and you are waiting for marriage for sex. What is she called then? The Book of Elvis is a damn fool. It states that a woman is only to be called a girlfriend if the guy is not seeing anyone else AND is giving her money. Well what if the woman starts seeing someone else in conjunction? Is she then no longer a girlfriend? So many questions and so many dumb answers.

[Elvis 2008]

All the women don't want me. I've never made that claim. I spent almost a full year cultivating contacts, meeting women, getting referrals, and generally making a good impression. I spent another 2 years weeding out the bad and selectively adding the good. After that I spent at least 6 months seeking out women who were completely off the gringo radar, most of them were not in any way involved with P4 P.

I will make it easy to explain. You described sugar daddies as suckers who send money to Colombian women via Western Union. Let me help you out. You care about your woman? Yes. Do you pay her? Yes. Are you faithful to her? No. Do you see other women you pay? Yes. Do you care about them? Yes. Do you expect sex from said women? Yes Are you an older man seeing younger women? Yes.

Then you are a sugar daddy. When I say she does not care about you, I do not mean as a friend but she is not a girlfriend. You are just using that term because you trashed other guys. You spent day and night trashing MB for having a sugar relationship when you yourself have one or more than one.

As for another member of crew, Mr. E, claims to have a GF too. I have one question for him: are you hanging out with your "girlfriend" with the expectation of sex? Then you are paying with time so you can stop with this notion you are not paying.

And any woman who has a BF and says that she does not mind if he is off fucking working girls is advertising herself as damaged goods. What guy would want to be with a woman after that? You are devaluing her in the sexual market place, and that is why you are full of shit it you say she does not mind.

Both of you are trying to portray yourself as such studs that the women care so much about you that they fuck you for free and do not care if you are off fucking other women, and that is total bullshit. The only women who would ever accept such an arrangement are trash no one wants.

Having a GF requires commitment, and you two are not financially or emotionally committing. The only thing you two are committed to is yourselves.

[JjBee62]

LOL. Apparently, we need to do a different cute-rich matrix for you where the whole graph is filled in because all the women want you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pInk1rV2VEg.

All the women don't want me. I've never made that claim. I spent almost a full year cultivating contacts, meeting women, getting referrals, and generally making a good impression. I spent another 2 years weeding out the bad and selectively adding the good. After that I spent at least 6 months seeking out women who were completely off the gringo radar, most of them were not in any way involved with P4 P.

I have spent money on them but have not paid them for sex? Say what?

I've spent money on many women without paying them for sex. Christmas presents for family members, buying drinks for friends, giving change to homeless women, helping girls fix various household or automotive problems. The list goes on. Does your mom suck your dick when you buy her a Mother's Day card? I guess my family is different. We just say "thanks."

I've bought meals and given small gifts to girls I've dated. Sometimes the dates led to sex, sometimes not. Are you saying, if I take a girl to a cheap diner, buy her lunch and then a few weeks later we bump into each other at a bar, have a few drinks, each buying their own, then decide to fuck, I paid her for sex?

Truth is if if these women really cared about you they would not want you seeing other women. When a woman says she does not care if you are fucking other women, it means she does not care about you.

Truth is you know nothing about women. Although replacing "women" with any subject doesn't change the accuracy of the statement.

I think I see. I'm supposed to ask for permission to fuck? Is that right? I don't do that. However, I can understand it from a guy who thinks he has to earn the right to fuck a girl. What I do outside of any relationship, I do because I want to, and I don't ask permission. The same if my wife cooks only lactose free meals, and I decide to stop somewhere for a milkshake. I don't beg her to let me have a milkshake, I don't tell her I had a milkshake. If it would bother her, I'll brush my teeth before going home.

And if you are fucking multiple women, it just means that you have not found one good or trust worthy enough to commit to.

There are other options. If you weren't such a clueless whiner, you could have come up with something much better. Maybe I'm the one not worthy. That was the case at least once in the past. I wasn't prepared to commit, but committed anyway and it fell apart.

However, in this situation, I'm not seeking a monogamous relationship. Biologically humans aren't evolved for monogamy. All the current couples I know, who have been married for 30+ years have engaged in some form of extramarital sex. Someone who has repeatedly talked about having a harem shouldn't be stupid enough to point the finger here. But, if there's 1 thing you excel in, it's being stupid enough for any situation.

MB, if you look at the female version of the hot-crazy matrix, the cute-money matrix, what the guy is saying, and I agree with, is that women do not take men seriously, I. E. Are husband material, if they do not have money. If you are attractive and poor, the women will play with you (AKA the fun zone), but they won't take you seriously.

As far as what a hooker is versus a "regular" woman is not that she fucks for money. That is all women. The difference between a GF / wife and a hooker is there is a relationship beyond sex for money, and the GF / wife only has one man she is servicing. For me, a sugar baby is in the middle. There is a relationship beyond sex for money but sex for money is still there, and a sugar baby will not just fuck any guy for money. She only fucks guys she is comfortable with and trusts.

The gibberish of Elvis is truly something to behold.

So all women are hookers, right? That's what you're saying.

1. All women fuck for money. "As far as what a hooker is versus a "regular" woman is not that she fucks for money. That is all women.

2. Sugar Babies fuck for money, but have a relationship with the sugar daddy.

3. Hookers fuck for money, but don't have a relationship.

4. The difference between a hooker and a regular GF or wife is that the hooker doesn't have a relationship.

Ergo, all women are hookers. Some hookers have relationships. It baffles me how you can write it down, read through it and have no clue what you just said.

Girlfriends and wives quite often fuck other men. I can attest to that because I've fucked a lot of wives and girlfriends. There are even wives and girlfriends who work as hookers. I've fucked some of them too.

So JJBee has sugar babies and once again perverts the term to GF to please his ego and brag. This is like his "marriage" where he and his "wife" were both fucking everything that moved. He does not have a girl friend, and he did not have a wife. In both cases, he had sugar babies even if he had a marriage certificate.

Oh Elvis! Just like Mami'sBoy, your inability to understand objectivity prevents you from ever being right. Well, that, your inability to remember basic details, your insistence on twisting reality to coincide with your warped beliefs and your sub 90 IQ also contribute.

This all began because your fuck buddy DramaQueen stated that all of the college girls he talked to on seeking didn't have computers, and when he asked if they needed computers, all of them said "no. " Either almost all were not college girls, or it's just another DramaQueen fantasy.

I pointed out the ridiculousness of every college girl refusing a free computer and Mami'sBoy boy decided to change the subject to "how he fucks college girls" and I only fuck trash. He's been unwilling to address the DQ inconsistency of college girls refusing free computers. Instead, he chose to make the discussion about my GF.

No bragging on my part (another Elvis deja vu moment. Everything I explain to you, feels like I've had to explain a dozen times before). How is "I have a girlfriend" bragging? They're easy to get. I've had dozens. If I mention that I have a car, is that also bragging?

You really should have been a baseball player, although obviously not a pinch runner, because you're batting 1. 000 on getting things wrong.

I've had 3 wives. The first had a boyfriend (unknown to me) the whole time. I only fucked her during the marriage. The second wife I cheated on a few times, before the cancer which killed her returned. She never cheated on me. The third wife, might have cheated on me. Once we separated, I was fucking lots of women before the divorce went through.

I did have a casual girlfriend for a few years and we frequently went to a swingers club, although we had limited interactions with others. When I was in town, maybe every 6 weeks, for 2 or 3 days, I was her boyfriend. The rest of the time we did our own thing.

Several years later I had a girlfriend and we were swingers. We went to swingers clubs, house parties and hotel parties together. We even hosted a few couples at our place. We were same-room swingers. Usually we would go with 1 other couple, sometimes 2 or 3 couples. The girls would typically have some fun together before the guys joined in. We would swap partners, or just stay with our partner. Each time we made the decision together. At the end of the night, we'd go back home.

Swinging successfully requires trust and a suppression of ego. You can't be insecure. It's not something you could ever handle. I'm not really sure how she could be considered a sugar baby. We always split all household expenses, although I usually paid for date nights.

My gal's daughter loves Korean shows, and in one sense, they are more wholesome but practical and honest in another. There was this old lady who said to a young man, "Oh, you have money now. You should get married. " I so prefer that to the bullshit Hollywood puts out. You want to get laid and have fun? Work on your looks. You want to get laid and have a serious relationship? Work on making money. That is why JJBee is such a POS liar. He thinks he is not paying for sex. Hollywood has told him that it is virtuous to not pay for sex.

Still batting, or babbling 1. 000.

Hollywood hasn't told me anything. I've rarely watched TV for 30 years. An occasional movie, some sports. When I wanted to get laid and have fun, I didn't work on my looks. I just talked to women. Some wanted relationships, some wanted to get laid and have fun. It's quite simple. About 90% of the women in the world want to have sex with men. Instead of going on sites where women are looking for johns or sugar daddies, I've always just talked to women. Turns out, if you can make them laugh and your breath doesn't stink, most women are happy to talk.

When I don't want to deal with that, I choose a prostitute and pay her.

I'm thinking of 3 couples. Two have been married for more than 50 years, the other over 30 years. All 3 started married life with nothing, just a job. All struggled for years, together. Two couples are retired comfortably with modest incomes. The third struggled for years, had some rough patches, before all their hard work paid off. They'll retire in a few years with a substantial income.

If you want a sugar daddy / sugar baby relationship work on making money, because the only thing holding the girl to you is the money. If you want a real relationship, work on the relationship. Of course, you first have to work on you. You have to be someone who offers more than just money.

What a girlie man like JJBee does not get is this a way for men to let go of their money and power. If you believe that bullshit about she likes me and not my money, you are giving away your power. It is totally cool if women take your money and do not put out. It is their right to consent or not. Well, if he likes her for her, and she quits putting out, JJBee the Girlie man should stick with his women right?

That's not just bullshit, it's self-deprecating insanity. In other words, your girl is only with you for your money. There's nothing she likes about you, and if the money stops, or some guy offers more, she's spreading her legs for someone else.

My way, she doesn't get my money. If the relationship doesn't provide me with what I want from the relationship, I walk away. I don't give more money to try and keep her. That's just pathetic. Then again, I don't provide her with a place to live, don't pay her expenses and don't give her a monthly allowance.

It is her right to consent or not. What kind of shitstain would question that? That's rhetorical, because everyone knows what kind of shitstain you are.

It's her right to consent. It's my right to get consent. That's what men do. Giving her more money is a sad way to go about things, which is what you said you had to do to get your girl. And you're saying it again, make money to get a relationship, use money to maintain the relationship.

I just use smiles. She's smiling when I see her and I keep her smiling. If I can't make her smile, and vice versa, I don't try to buy a smile, I pack my bags and go.

I have been watching the men's rights groups, and it is refreshing that there are being so honest. They used to all be female hating but now they are realistic. They are saying if your wife is not putting out, dump her, and I am so glad they are saying that. When you do not equate sex with money, it plays right into the hands of women.

Ah. Is that Simps Anonymous, the Incel Commandos?

You're like Charlie Brown begging Lucy to pull the ball away.

I equate sex with money, when I'm conducting a straight sex for money transaction. Anything else is necessarily more complicated. Am I just looking for a one time thing, or a semi-regular encounter. Am I looking for a relationship. How much time and effort will it take? Will it be worth it?

If I'm in a relationship and the sex stops, I don't try to solve the problem with money. If the problem is solved by money, I was never in a relationship. Why did the sex stop? Is there a viable solution? Is it worth the effort?

The "if your wife isn't putting out, dump her" advice is the advice of children, emotionally undeveloped adults who still think like pre-pubescent brats. It's "I'll just take my toys and go home. ".

Adults, specifically those who deserve to be called men, don't crawl away crying when they encounter problems. They fix them. Some problems can't be fixed, some aren't worth fixing. But bawling your head off and walking away from the problem is disgusting. Stock up on maxi-pads, because you're about to begin ovulating.

Maybe everything about the relationship is great, except the sex is lacking. Has she lost desire? Menopause will do that, something you'll soon be dealing with. Did you stop putting in the effort? If it can't be fixed, find yourself outside options and keep the happy relationship. Unless you think a relationship is only about money, there's a great deal more.

Solutions require thought and effort, 2 things you're incapable of.

[Elvis 2008]

Mr E, surely you understand by now that in the World According to Elvis, a GF is an IAB female and non trans man with whom you have a long term monogamous relationship with. Open relationships and other options do not exist.

It is not according to me. If you are helping out a woman you care about and are seeing other women, she is a sugar baby. If the woman is not getting a financial reward, you can call her a fuck buddy or a friend with benefits. All these terms though have negative connotations, and you all know that.

GF and wife have positive societal connotations, and you all know that and that is why you want to use them. If you have a woman who you call GF and she says that she does not mind you fucking other women, that just means the two of you have gotten together and tried to redefine its meaning. Show me one mainstream source that says it is okay to have a GF and fuck hookers on the side.

OTOH, there is no societal expectation of monogamy with a FWB, fuck buddy, john, or sugar baby.

Mr. E's definitions do not allow for sugar babies. There are hookers and not hookers, and a sugar baby is not any different from a hooker. Hookers take money for sex and non hookers do not. JJBee has derided sugar daddies as suckers who pay Colombian women who do not have sex so he wants to use the term GF instead of sugar baby when that is exactly what his "girlfriend" is.

And Mr. E are you paying your "girlfriend" with time? And is part of the time you spend with her in hopes of being charming enough so that she will have sex with you? And doesn't time equal money? So stop with the bullshit about I am not paying a "grown ass woman". You are paying. You are paying with time, and for a lot of us but maybe not you, time equals money.

[JustTK]

As far as what a hooker is versus a "regular" woman is not that she fucks for money. That is all women. The difference between a GF / wife and a hooker is there is a relationship beyond sex for money, and the GF / wife only has one man she is servicing. For me, a sugar baby is in the middle. There is a relationship beyond sex for money but sex for money is still there, and a sugar baby will not just fuck any guy for money. She only fucks guys she is comfortable with and trusts.
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In the World According to Elvis, what type of girl is this. I pick her up in an online platform, take her out fotr he evening, for dinner and pretend she is my GF, then take her home and FK her for money. Transactional?

[JustTK]

What status and ego? I have had girlfriends since I was a teenager. It is just like breathing.

Mr E, surely you understand by now that in the World According to Elvis, a GF is an IAB female and non trans man with whom you have a long term monogamous relationship with. Open relationships and other options do not exist.

[TjBrazil]

You're the one who brought it up. Again:

Guys often force a girl to fuck someone she doesn't like and that's either called rape, or sexual slavery.

Probably, 10-25% of us have had sex with women held as sex slaves, even in Medellin. I suspect I have, although it was in the US.

I know for a fact that I have had sex with a woman who was formerly held as a sex slave. At least as early as 6, her mother was letting guys molest her for cash. At age 12 she sold her to a couple who owned a brothel in Atlanta. At 16, when she was getting too old for their clientele, they sold her to a guy who then married her. His fetish wasn't kids, he just wanted a woman he could beat whenever the mood struck him. He put her in the hospital a few times. She got away from him briefly, which is when we met. Eventually he tracked her down. It didn't end well for her.

Human beings are awful. Was he ever arrested.

[JjBee62]

Some of those truck stop bathrooms are pretty nice though. There's even some Pilots and Flying J's out in Wyoming that have private showers inside the bathrooms. I saw one in Iowa one time that even had a buffet restaurant called iron skillet inside of the the truck stop! Sounds as good a place as any to masturbate, then get a nice ribeye steak afterwards.

You missed the really good ones, although most of them have gone downhill.

The Shell truckstop, in Holbrook, AZ had some deluxe shower rooms with Jacuzzis. They also had a good Mexican restaurant. The old Giant in Gallup, NM had a parking lot shuttle, full arcade, mini-mall and 4 or 5 restaurants. Little America truckstops in Little America, WY and Flagstaff, AZ had showers that resembled Las Vegas Hotel bathrooms, plus excellent steakhouses and hotels.

Sturbridge, MA, Morris, IL and Tucumcari, NM all had great restaurants. A few other places had in-house bakeries.

Those days are mostly passed. Everything is generic now. Still clean showers available, but it's fast food or Denny's instead of real food.

I almost forgot Pantyhose Junction, at least that's what everyone called the place. It was in Dunnigan, CA.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs...227-story.html

[JjBee62]

I am glad you brought that up. So if the girl was drunk and could not give consent, what if you were drunk too? Shouldn't that also relieve you of your ability to give consent? Seems you two are on even ground. So if two drunk people decide to do something and one later regrets it, how is it that in general it is the man that bears the burden of receiving the consent? Why are men seen as the ones that are supposed to be the responsible party while women are seen as the helpless party?

That's a good question. In that particular situation there were extenuating circumstances which were part of my decision.

1. I was still married, although not happily married.

2. My best friend, his wife and kid were sleeping just down the hall. Her boyfriend was sleeping in the RV in the backyard. Someone waking up and walking in was a concern.

While I was drunk, I was sober enough to consider the consequences and potential problems. To me that meant I couldn't use the "I was drunk" escape.

Unless someone catches you in the act, like that swimmer raping a passed out girl by the dumpster, convictions are rare. Most of the natural consequences land on the girl. She's the only one with a chance of getting pregnant (which could trigger the "I was drunk and he raped me" report, if the guy bails.

[Balboa]

I know you guys don't like each other and if you tried for 100 years you would never convince each other on who has the right idea about mongering. Mean while the rest of us would like to see a trip report or two.

Probably better to check in the Medellin Reports thread.

This thread is obviously for battling it out, and Stupid shit like that, LOL.

[Mr Enternational]

You and JjBee keep calling your women GFs to boost your status and ego when you are out fucking hookers left and right. You are lying to everyone here, the women, and yourselves. Quit using the term GF. There are dozens of other terms to use. You two do not have GFs.

What status and ego? I have had girlfriends since I was a teenager. It is just like breathing. You must be one of those late bloomers and to you getting a girlfriend is really something spectacular for you to think that having one boosts one's status or ego.

You still never answered what Mr. Faithful to one woman is doing posting on a hooker board everyday. The attention that you constantly give to us could be better used on your one and only. But I am sure that you have already told her about this website and that you post on it everyday, being that she is a REAL girlfriend and all. I know she gave it her stamp of approval, since you are running around worrying about what everybody else's girlfriend knows.

[John Gault]

So I guess I need to give a half assed trip report. I stayed in three different hotels all in Centro. For once I was not robbed or bothered by crooks. I feel that my trips at night to Centro were helped by my carrying my baton. I did not have once to open it up for defense but I really feel that just having it with me gave of the vibe that there were other targets better to go after than me. The one or two times I forgot to take it with me made me feel less secure so I think I gave off a different vibe then when I had it in on my person. I have been to MDE more times than I can count so I have decided I am done with MDE. Let the make it rain guys and the fools that beg to pay 400 K for short time have their way. I am starting to think about I think it was called not seeing the same girl more than a few times the way to go. All I get now that I am home is requests for money via Western Union from girls who I came to like. If I travel again in the near future it will be to visit my friend Doom in GYE. No worry about security with him as even the real Gangters show him respect.

[Huacho]

in regards to condoms I still say it's your body your choice

I think that too, with condoms and heroin and tattoos and many other things. Just. Not. Vaccines.

[John Gault]

I know you guys don't like each other and if you tried for 100 years you would never convince each other on who has the right idea about mongering. Mean while the rest of us would like to see a trip report or two.