Stupid shit in Medellin

[JjBee62]

Gee, that sounds just like Amway.

And so does that.

Hey, Lebron, if you were making so much money with this web cam stuff, how come you have to drive a truck? Is that by choice? And how come Paulie is banging these rich super elite cam girls on the cheap?

1. Who said I was making so much money? All of that's been explained before, probably 10 times or more over the past almost 5 years. If you still don't understand it, I'm guessing simple math is a skill you'll never acquire. However, yes. I do drive truck by choice. I'll even explain why below.

2. In what way are girls who live and work in Bello "super elite?" At most they're making 300-400 k COP weekly from webcam, probably half that. He paid the going rate. Nothing special about it.

30 years ago I was making a good living as a contract programmer. Loved coding, even loved the customer support, hated the managerial bullshit. One weekend took my mother, who was disabled, on a road trip to cheer her up. Conversation got me thinking about a driving job I'd taken temporarily a few years before. Decided to find out if I'd rather drive a truck than drive a desk.

I enjoy it and there's no stress. Just compared my pay with that of a friend who stayed on the programmer path and is a project manager for a tech giant. Gross pay, with over 30 years of experience and 2 degrees, he earns 20% more than me. When adding in cost of living adjustments (he has to live near a tech hub, all expensive areas), I make almost 50% more.

[Elvis 2008]

You have to be a real fucking idiot to agree to this. And being a webcam model doesn't mean shit imo. Most of them are unattractive as the law of averages applies here as well. Plus most of them have copious amounts of makeup, surgeries, and trashy tattoos. We've all seen beautiful women working normal jobs and dating average guys. When I was in Medellin, the hostesses at restaurants were better looking than most of the women there.

Obviously, if you're unattractive yourself and awkward, then of course they're going to gouge you, but $8 K? GTFO.

You have to be a real fucking idiot to agree to this. And being a webcam model doesn't mean shit imo. Most of them are unattractive as the law of averages applies here as well. Plus most of them have copious amounts of makeup, surgeries, and trashy tattoos. We've all seen beautiful women working normal jobs and dating average guys. When I was in Medellin, the hostesses at restaurants were better looking than most of the women there.

Obviously, if you're unattractive yourself and awkward, then of course they're going to gouge you, but $8 K? GTFO.

VJ, as we just learned, Lebron / JJBee has his own reasons for pumping up cam girls. Paulie's post was realistic. I met a cam girl off seeking. She was hot, good in bed, and then showed a stripper's attitude towards money on our 2nd date, and I cut her off. Second date she gave half the effort, half the time, and expected the same amount of money. She went back and looked at my profile a few times but I was done. She acted like a hooker on a sugar baby website. If I wanted a hooker, I would get one.

So obviously that is not an elite woman and this dumb idea of a woman being in a top 10% family is dumb too. Would you consider a 300 lb whale with a rich daddy an elite woman? Yeah, neither would I.

If you really are talking elite, what should happen is every guy who knows your woman should say, "I want a woman like that. " At first, it may be the surface things like looks, voice, career, but after that, it is how she treats you. Men are treated today like ATM machines and sperm donors, and the women who do not treat men like that are going to be the ones guys want. This cam girl can find another guy, but the same shit is going to happen with the next one.

In contrast, there was this one woman I met in Mexico. She was pretty, nice, and had an upbeat attitude. Things fizzled because I thought the sex was not that great and I thought she was kind of boring but unlike so many other women I had nothing bad to say about her character. I felt like if she met another man and clicked with him she would do well, and she did. I followed her on Instagram and she had a sugar daddy who treated her like gold.

I read a book where a guy totaled up the big red flags against women: drugs, debt, mentally ill, unemployed, fat, with children. When you excluded those things, you were left with 1% of all American women. So add in pretty and pleasant, and that is damned near enough to be elite these days.

[MiamiBoy1]

Gee, that sounds just like Amway.

And so does that.

Hey, Lebron, if you were making so much money with this web cam stuff, how come you have to drive a truck? Is that by choice? And how come Paulie is banging these rich super elite cam girls on the cheap?

Why would a gringo in his 60's engage in a web cam business in Colombia (not as a business owner, but actually WORKING FOR a model!) and share an apartment (if I understood correctly) with some web cam girls? So pathetic.

[Anthony2023]

Yet you are here crying when I post what I want and think of you.

You're a troll. I think that you should be banned from this site.

Crying? LOL please. You're a joke. You're dismissed.

[JjBee62]

A lot of these FB girls post "vacation pics" with stunning scenery, something that exists in plenty of poor countries that also have attractive room rates. They also like to have themselves photographed in front of expensive cars which likewise proves nothing. I know casas girls that occasionally post the same, but they never make it out of Manrique or Bello. Why? The answer is so easy. They haven't scored "wealthy" clients. Any average American can afford to take a girl on one of these trips to Mexico or the DR for a few days to a week, and most would be happy to take a modest daily fee in order to take a trip like that. So you, like JJBee62, way overestimate these Medellin prepagos, and that's why you pay more but get less from the same product than those that know what they are doing.

P.S. As has been stated before, the wealthy tend to be in places like the Mediterranean Coast, super hot girls plus far superior infrastructure, food, hotels, you name it, plus English speaking, better educated girls. Or they just stay in South Florida, where the higher strata Colombians go every chance they get, and have whatever girl that prefer delivered to them.

It's always a struggle to find the point of your posts.

Are you saying there are no wealthy mongers in Medellin? Are you saying there are no prepagos with wealthy clients? Are you saying that a selfie taken next to a Mercedes in Parque Lleras is equivalent to a professional photo shoot in Paris (the one in France, not the one overlooking Bello)?

Flights from Medellin to places like Aruba, Punta Cana and Cancun are cheap and someone of moderate means can afford such a trip with a girl. That's one of the possibilities when a girl posts scenic photos. However, there are other reasons.

1. There are several model agencies in Medellin. Models are often sent to various locations for some campaign. You can find many of the models on Facebook and Instagram.

2. Some women either earn enough, or save enough to take a vacation with their family.

3. There are agencies in Medellin who recruit girls to work as prostitutes in other places. Panama, Costa Rica and Mexico are a few options. If you're sufficiently connected with Facebook you'll see advertisements from those groups looking for girls.

4. Some girls have wealthy clients, or boyfriends, who either take them, or send them places.

There are obviously wealthy mongers in Medellin. Perhaps they aren't interested in the Mediterranean. There are also prepagos with wealthy clients, or excessively generous clients. There are guys tipping hundreds and thousands of dollars on webcams. Only a fool would assume the same doesn't happen with hookers.

https://www.camgirltoolbox.com/highest-tip-myfreecams/

Of course, gifts at that level are rare, but $500 tips are common on the webcams. With all the iPhone 13 Pros running around Bello, I'm going to assume the same is true for Medellin prostitutes.

Time for my favorite part. "Questions which you can't or won't answer. ".

1. How do you know how much Villainy or I are paying?

2. How do you know what either of us are getting?

3. The only time I went to a casa with you, a casa you picked because they have the best girls, you came out complaining the girl you picked had a disgusting odor. Of the 3 other girls you've ever mentioned to me, 2 were part of the crew that drugged and robbed you and the last was the Venezuelan street girl who you couldn't get to fuck you, after spending way too much, for any price. Does that sound like the resume of someone who knows what he's doing?

[Elvis 2008]

Once a girl becomes successful you provide her with an apartment. It works out well. A good model will bring in $5 k-$8 k USD every 2 weeks. A nice high rise apartment back then was $600-$1000. The studio takes 40% and pays for the apartment, or 25% and the model pays rent. As the model becomes more successful they pay less to the studio and take responsibility for more of the costs. Of course the downside is that it takes 12-20 weeks for a model to start earning money. Most won't last that long.

Gee, that sounds just like Amway.

She had all her own equipment and fiber internet in her apartment. Juan Busto only kept 10%, 10% went to me and she kept 75%.

And so does that.

Hey, Lebron, if you were making so much money with this web cam stuff, how come you have to drive a truck? Is that by choice? And how come Paulie is banging these rich super elite cam girls on the cheap?

[JjBee62]

You can tell all the "stories" you want here. I'll tell one that happens to be true. This month of last year I did three webcam models, all from Bello. I didn't meet them that way, but one through FB and she led me to the other two. The latter two were completely without condom. I did them all individually plus two in a threesome. Two were confirmed as webcam models as I was directed to their rooms in Strip Chat and I watched a bit of their shows. Prices were normal, 200 mil for the single sessions, 400 for the threesome but that one included two leches. I paid transportation.

Just some more information on the subject.

The fact the girls were from Bello should have tipped you off. Not that there's anything wrong with Bello, but it does have a large number of prepagos.

The top studios operating in Medellin own or hold leases on hundreds of apartments in Poblado and Envigado, along with some commercial properties used for offices and studios. Of the 90+ apartments, in the high rise where I lived, at least 6 housed webcam models.

I understand things have improved, but 6 years ago the high speed cable internet in Medellin wasn't fast enough to provide at least 30 fps broadcast video, so a dedicated fiber connection was required. You could only get that in Poblado and some parts of Laureles. I'm sure it's more widely available now.

In order to provide quality video streaming for their models, the studios had fiber installed wherever they could get apartments. Some buildings were set up with a bunch of small rooms, where models would come and work their shift. That was for new models. You don't give a computer, monitor, camera and studio lighting to a girl to take home to Bello. Instead you set everything up in a secure location and provide a workspace for each girl.

Once a girl becomes successful you provide her with an apartment. It works out well. A good model will bring in $5 k-$8 k USD every 2 weeks. A nice high rise apartment back then was $600-$1000. The studio takes 40% and pays for the apartment, or 25% and the model pays rent. As the model becomes more successful they pay less to the studio and take responsibility for more of the costs. Of course the downside is that it takes 12-20 weeks for a model to start earning money. Most won't last that long.

Two of the largest studios in Medellin are Juan Bustos and AJ Studios. Both employ around 2,000 models. Juan was big enough he got backing from Cam4 (one of the older webcam platforms) to launch Q Cams, although it only lasted about a year. AJ was big enough to get an exclusive contract with CamSoda. No Colombian models could work on CamSoda unless they worked for AJ Studios, or were subcontracted to AJ. For example, I worked with one of Juan Busto's models who was on CamSoda. 5% of her earnings went to AJ. She was a special case. She had all her own equipment and fiber internet in her apartment. Juan Busto only kept 10%, 10% went to me and she kept 75%.

I'm curious. Why didn't you post about your adventure when it happened? I'm sure there are plenty of guys who would have enjoyed the review.

[ShooBree]

So you have the same personality online as you do in person? You must be fun at parties.

It's called the internet bud, a place not to be taken seriously and post whatever you want without caring what anybody thinks.

Yet you are here crying when I post what I want and think of you.

You're a troll. I think that you should be banned from this site.

[JjBee62]

You can tell all the "stories" you want here. I'll tell one that happens to be true. This month of last year I did three webcam models, all from Bello. I didn't meet them that way, but one through FB and she led me to the other two. The latter two were completely without condom. I did them all individually plus two in a threesome. Two were confirmed as webcam models as I was directed to their rooms in Strip Chat and I watched a bit of their shows. Prices were normal, 200 mil for the single sessions, 400 for the threesome but that one included two leches. I paid transportation.

So once again, when it suits you you pull BS, or at best some unusual example out of your ass to try and gain advantage in a hooker forum debate. And no, of course, not everyone like you has to pay big just to look at those women, in your case groveling before one running her camera for a year for free with hardly the courage to even ask for your promised pay. You even rented a room from her, then went around telling all the mongers you met that she was your "roommate. " Okay, whatever. LOL.

Just took your testosterone shot did you? Feeling froggy?

What does that have to do with anything? There are tens of thousands of girls in Medellin who are, or were on webcam. What was their average income? Stripchat, like most of the platforms pays out twice monthly. How many tokens are they getting each payout? What percentage is the studio taking? It's not all that impressive when the "studio" is paying the girl 50 k per day, and forcing them to broadcast 8 hours per day. After 4-6 weeks they quit and someone else is using the same dildo on the same bed.

Honestly, you've fucked up the story at least 15 different times. Couldn't you get it right just once? It shouldn't be hard, I've told the entire story 5 or 6 times in exhausting detail. Here are some of the areas where you completely fucked up. Again.

1. I never rented a room. In fact at one point you called me out for freeloading because I stayed rent free for 1 year. Now I did pay the internet and split the utilities, about 250 k per month on average.

2. I never ran anyone's camera. That's not how it works. I did work as a monitor for several models, but never for the webcam model who held the lease to the apartment, or for my roommate. Her boyfriend was monitor for both women. I did provide some assistance to my roommate, mainly with helping her setup for her shows.

3. The webcam model I was tentatively working for and my roommate were 2 different women. I never claimed the first was my roommate.

4. There was no "promised pay. " The original idea was that the model and her boyfriend were starting a studio (my roommate already worked for them). I was supposed to work as monitor for their new models. They didn't sign any new models for 8 months. I did work with 3 different models for a major webcam studio, but the first 2 flaked and the 3rd quit for family issues. In the end, the income was insufficient for my needs.

How do you "gain advantage in a hooker forum?" Is there a preferred parking space, or theater discounts that I'm missing out on? The model who sold dates I've mentioned several times, going back over 5 years. What advantage do I gain by telling about her? I assume everyone already knows there are escorts getting $10 k USD and more per date. She's just an example of an "elite" escort.

I met her once, she was a speaker at Juan Busto's webcam university. He used to have a channel on Cam4 and held training sessions at his offices not far from the Aguacatela Metro station (I don't know if that's still going on). I attended several of the sessions and was even interviewed for 1 of them. You can find the interview in the online edition of Camgirl magazine, although I'm not telling you which issue. Shouldn't be too hard to find. I did it in under 1 minute.

Here's a question. Why do the things I did over 5 years ago matter so much to you? They don't really matter to me, but you just keep coming back to them, as if they have some bearing on the present. They don't. I learned things during that period. Occasionally the things I learned have some connection to current discussions. Other than that, it's just memories, no different than memories from high school.

Except for the continued friendship with my former roommate, I have no connection to those times. I've moved on, done different things, met other people and found new friends. Isn't it about time you moved on as well?

[Paulie97]

I don't know if JjB knows the girl and can respond but I know her and I've seen her.

She used to have a FaceBook account. I met her through a friend. He met her when she was on a WhatsApp account that would show you about a dozen girls and if you saw someone you were interested in you would contact the lady who owned that WhatsApp account and she would make the introductions. The fee would be a little bit higher back then (300 mil / HR) because the girl was giving the facilitator something like 100 mil and keeping 200 mil. Of course the benefit to the girl was any future dates with that person were now hers and hers alone. My friend contacted her and introduced me. I saw her a handful of times but then she started taking lots of vacation trips (hahahaha).

Mariana started posting photos on Instagram and developed a following. She may have also posted on Seeking or some other pay-for-play venues. She started posting photos of Cancun and other Island resorts. So I'm sure she started acquiring some wealthy clients.

So to bring it back to the questions of "is she elite". No. Not really. She is a high-end escort. She has had breast enhancement surgery but not the cheap sloppy kind with scars. She is stunning and good at "entertaining". So I guess if Elvis met her she would be "elite" because he liked looking at her. But as to reality. She is just one of hundreds of stunning looking girls that are available for a price. She learned that her good looks could command a higher price and so she asks for that price.

But elite? No, she doesn't come from an established family. She isn't a university graduate. So not elite. Just a gorgeous girl making her way.

A lot of these FB girls post "vacation pics" with stunning scenery, something that exists in plenty of poor countries that also have attractive room rates. They also like to have themselves photographed in front of expensive cars which likewise proves nothing. I know casas girls that occasionally post the same, but they never make it out of Manrique or Bello. Why? The answer is so easy. They haven't scored "wealthy" clients. Any average American can afford to take a girl on one of these trips to Mexico or the DR for a few days to a week, and most would be happy to take a modest daily fee in order to take a trip like that. So you, like JJBee62, way overestimate these Medellin prepagos, and that's why you pay more but get less from the same product than those that know what they are doing.

P.S. As has been stated before, the wealthy tend to be in places like the Mediterranean Coast, super hot girls plus far superior infrastructure, food, hotels, you name it, plus English speaking, better educated girls. Or they just stay in South Florida, where the higher strata Colombians go every chance they get, and have whatever girl that prefer delivered to them.

[Paulie97]

I've told the story before of the Colombian webcam model who was selling dates. To get one required a 100,000 token tip, lump sum, which would cost the guy about $8,000 (and the girl gets $5,000). That amount got you a 1 week vacation with her, totally at your expense and she picked the destination, first class and the best resorts. That didn't guarantee sex, but it at least got you to the negotiating table. Probably total expense from $15-$20 k USD.

You can tell all the "stories" you want here. I'll tell one that happens to be true. This month of last year I did three webcam models, all from Bello. I didn't meet them that way, but one through FB and she led me to the other two. The latter two were completely without condom. I did them all individually plus two in a threesome. Two were confirmed as webcam models as I was directed to their rooms in Strip Chat and I watched a bit of their shows. Prices were normal, 200 mil for the single sessions, 400 for the threesome but that one included two leches. I paid transportation.

So once again, when it suits you you pull BS, or at best some unusual example out of your ass to try and gain advantage in a hooker forum debate. And no, of course, not everyone like you has to pay big just to look at those women, in your case groveling before one running her camera for a year for free with hardly the courage to even ask for your promised pay. You even rented a room from her, then went around telling all the mongers you met that she was your "roommate. " Okay, whatever. LOL.

[Anthony2023]

Nope, I've seen your posts. I know more than enough about you to safely assure you that you're a true piece of work with a repugnant mentality.

So you have the same personality online as you do in person? You must be fun at parties.

It's called the internet bud, a place not to be taken seriously and post whatever you want without caring what anybody thinks.

[Voodoo Jones]

I've told the story before of the Colombian webcam model who was selling dates. To get one required a 100,000 token tip, lump sum, which would cost the guy about $8,000 (and the girl gets $5,000). That amount got you a 1 week vacation with her, totally at your expense and she picked the destination, first class and the best resorts. That didn't guarantee sex, but it at least got you to the negotiating table. Probably total expense from $15-$20 k USD.

You have to be a real fucking idiot to agree to this. And being a webcam model doesn't mean shit imo. Most of them are unattractive as the law of averages applies here as well. Plus most of them have copious amounts of makeup, surgeries, and trashy tattoos. We've all seen beautiful women working normal jobs and dating average guys. When I was in Medellin, the hostesses at restaurants were better looking than most of the women there.

Obviously, if you're unattractive yourself and awkward, then of course they're going to gouge you, but $8 K? GTFO.

[ShooBree]

I think it's just you that's ignorant, since you seem to enjoy judging people you know nothing about.

Nope, I've seen your posts. I know more than enough about you to safely assure you that you're a true piece of work with a repugnant mentality.

[Anthony2023]

Maybe it's just me but you sound so incredibly ignorant. Like you're a troll.

I think it's just you that's ignorant, since you seem to enjoy judging people you know nothing about.