Stupid shit in Medellin

**JjBee62** · 11-06-21 16:51

Originally Posted by JustTK [View Original Post]

This is one of the dumbest takes I have heard during the pandemic. And I have heard it claimed here a few times. So let's exam the logic a little.

Is this an example of being respectful? You are constantly complaining about people being insulting and disrespectful, yet here you are again. If you are going to be so adamant about respectful discourse perhaps something like "I strongly disagree that having sex while unvaccinated is selfish" would be better than your "if you don't agree with me you are stupid" intro.

Firstly, one would need to verify that one is indeed a greater risk to a puta. This is far from clear. A vaxd person is equally likely to spread CV if they have the virus as an unvaxd person. But is the unvaxd person more likely to have the virus? That is very unclear. On average an unvaxd person has a 38% chance of catching the virus over a 20 day period, whereas a vaxd has 25% chance. However, immunological organizations confirm and agree that everyone will get the virus and everyone will have antibodies sooner or later bcos the vax does not prevent transmission. Furthermore, as time goes on, those stats will change in favour of the unvaxd bcos an ever greater proportion of the sample will have caught the disease and will have antibodies. So the 2 groups will effectively merge in to one with no discernible differences.

"Puta" is a derogatory word. If you must specify, "prostitute" is the respectful term.

Again, I must point out that your statement is incorrect. The study you continue to refer to specifically states that transmission rates for vaccinated and unvaccinated people are only equal within the household environment. All currently available studies show that outside of the household, unvaccinated people have a higher transmission rate than vaccinated people.

Another statement which is not correct is the declaration that everyone will eventually become infected. That's simply not supported. Some, for whatever reason, are not susceptible to the virus.

Your last statement is also incorrect based upon currently available data. We're seeing different levels of protection from different vaccines against different strains. While at some point in the future your statement may be factual, at this time it is not.

It's important to note also that those stats are averages. They say nothing of the circumstances that any individual may have. One could do a hell of a lot to reduce your likelihood of not having the virus when you have sex go for regular checks, avoid French kissing, make sure you don't go out when you have flu-like symptoms, social distance, take regular exercise, eat a vegan diet, avoid having sex when you're old or obese or have high blood pressure or diabetes (or any other contributory factor), make sure your 2nd vax jab is not more than 2-3 months old, or catch the virus naturally. These actions would be far more effective in reducing transmission than having a vax that is only partially effective. So if one argues that having unvaccinated sex is selfish, then you must accept that having sex while failing to meet any of these conditions is also selfish I doubt anyone here would accept that.

Haven't you stated an opposition to vaccine mandates? It appears you're suggesting mandates against having sex for people who don't fit into your definition of low risk. Unless you are also insisting all of your sexual partners submit to the same requirements, with proof, before any sexual encounter, your logic seems flawed.

If having sex unvaccinated is selfish, it's because of your risk of infecting others. While there are some ways to reduce your risk of becoming infected, most of what you mentioned are ways to reduce your risk of serious illness or death if you become infected. You understand your contradiction? You claim that everyone will eventually become infected and claim your lifestyle prevents you from becoming infected. Unless you get tested daily, you have no guarantee that you aren't infected.

Furthermore, while there are many communicable diseases, no other which is currently prevalent poses the health risks of Covid. If a girl gives me strep throat, or I give her a cold, complete and rapid recovery is almost certain. Covid however, even cases which aren't severe, poses long term health risks. It's a false equivalence to compare Covid with the common cold.

Furthermore, you could apply the same dumb logic to countless other activities where we all accept an element of risk. Is it selfish to ask a puta to visit you in your apartment bcos she needs to catch a taxi and that carries a risk of accident? Is it selfish to have sex with a puta if you had recent unprotected oral or penetration sex with one else that carries a risk too? Wearing a bright yellow T-shirt might attract bees and the girl might be allergic to bees! . OMG, we need to put a stop to all interaction!

Again, referring to something you disagree with as "dumb" is disrespectful. What's worse you have yet to prove the logic is flawed, since the core of your rebuttal is based upon your belief which contradicts the study you use to defend your belief. And again, "puta" is disrespectful.

Life carries risk. Every day, every thing comes with an element of risk. It's both hyperbole and a straw man to say nothing should be done that carries risk, and then declare the risk you pose to others as acceptable.

When you are only risking yourself, that is a personal choice. When you are deciding that risking the health, welfare and lives of others is perfectly acceptable, that's selfishness.

Finally, what about the girl the claim ignores her circumstances too. Maybe she already had the virus, maybe she is happy to accept the risk, maybe you told her when you arranged to meet her.

Overall, it is a VERY DUMB claim.

Seriously, can you not see the disrespect? Perhaps if you treated the discussion with respect, you would get respectful responses.

Let's examine it from your situation. If I have read your posts correctly, you have a wife and children and another post of yours indicates they are all living with you. Am I correct in assuming you have not allowed, or freely offered the others in your family the chance to get vaccinated? Are you informing them of the increased risk you pose to them each time you choose to visit a prostitute? Have you asked if they are willing to accept the increased risk? If not, selfish seems to be a fair assessment.

Here's an idea which might work better for you. Adopt an attitude of "fuck it." Do what you want. There's no need to constantly argue that what you choose to do is superior to everyone else's decisions. There's no need to misrepresent studies or rationalize what you want to do. Just say "fuck it" and do what you want.

That would save all of the hypocrisy over respect and disrespect and best of all it covers every eventuality. If someone around you gets sick, fuck it. If they die, fuck it. If you get sick, fuck it.

**JustTK** · 11-06-21 15:14

This is one of the dumbest takes I have heard during the pandemic. And I have heard it claimed here a few times. So let's exam the logic a little.

Firstly, one would need to verify that one is indeed a greater risk to a puta. This is far from clear. A vaxd person is equally likely to spread CV if they have the virus as an unvaxd person. But is the unvaxd person more likely to have the virus? That is very unclear. On average an unvaxd person has a 38% chance of catching the virus over a 20 day period, whereas a vaxd has 25% chance. However, immunological organizations confirm and agree that everyone will get the virus and everyone will have antibodies sooner or later bcos the vax does not prevent transmission. Furthermore, as time goes on, those stats will change in favour of the unvaxd bcos an ever greater proportion of the sample will have caught the disease and will have antibodies. So the 2 groups will effectively merge in to one with no discernible differences.

It's important to note also that those stats are averages. They say nothing of the circumstances that any individual may have. One could do a hell of a lot to reduce your likelihood of not having the virus when you have sex – go for regular checks, avoid French kissing, make sure you don't go out when you have flu-like symptoms, social distance, take regular exercise, eat a vegan diet, avoid having sex when you're old or obese or have high blood pressure or diabetes (or any other contributory factor), make sure your 2nd vax jab is not more than 2-3 months old, or catch the virus naturally. These actions would be far more effective in reducing transmission than having a vax that is only partially effective. So if one argues that having unvaccinated sex is selfish, then you must accept that having sex while failing to meet any of these conditions is also selfish – I doubt anyone here would accept that.

Furthermore, you could apply the same dumb logic to countless other activities where we all accept an element of risk. Is it selfish to ask a puta to visit you in your apartment bcos she needs to catch a taxi and that carries a risk of accident? Is it selfish to have sex with a puta if you had recent unprotected oral or penetration sex with one else – that carries a risk too? Wearing a bright yellow T-shirt might attract bees and the girl might be allergic to bees! . OMG, we need to put a stop to all interaction!

Finally, what about the girl – the claim ignores her circumstances too. Maybe she already had the virus, maybe she is happy to accept the risk, maybe you told her when you arranged to meet her.

Overall, it is a VERY DUMB claim.

**JjBee62** · 11-06-21 13:36

That was vicious, even dastardly for me to once again slap you with a narcissist's dilemma. All I can say is it's something you can control. Stop trying to include me in your narcissistic fantasies and I'll stop broadsiding you with the narcissist's dilemmas.

I had the experience of living with a narcissist for over 5 years. Although I suspected some personality disorders when we first got together, I was unaware of the extent of them. It wasn't until I inadvertently put her in a narcissist's dilemma, which caused enough physical distress to send her to the hospital, when she was referred to a psychiatrist. Although it didn't fix all her issues, learning to move on from the narcissism helped break her self-destructive cycles which had caused several setbacks in her professional life.

Before I get to what a narcissist's dilemma is, I'm going to detail 2 of your incompatible narcissist fantasies, and explain how they clearly illustrate your issues, which I have told you in the past you should seek professional help to resolve.

The first fantasy happened about 15 months ago. As I reported here, I had experienced 3 symptoms over about 2 weeks, fever, persistent cough and shortness of breath. These are the 3 most common symptoms of Covid. At the time, in my area, Covid testing was only available, by appointment, for those with symptoms. By the time I could work an appointment into my schedule, the symptoms were mostly gone.

While getting tested, the nurse noticed my pulse was very high and brought me into the clinic for an EKG, which showed atrial fibrillation. I ended up spending a night in ICU, where another Covid test was taken. The Covid tests were both negative, my heart rate was brought under control, I was set up with a follow-up appointment with a cardiologist and sent home.

That's where your fantasy began. According to you, I was stupid for thinking I had Covid, and I was stupid for not recognizing the atrial fibrillation. You claimed you immediately recognized the A-Fib and knew more about my health than I did. That last bit is a definite sign of narcissism, claiming superior knowledge without having the knowledge. The only crossover symptom between Covid and A-Fib is shortness of breath. I had no other symptoms, which I could notice. It's tough to get an accurate pulse while driving a truck and there was no chest pain, fatigue or dizziness. On the day it was detected there wasn't even shortness of breath. Even my cardiologist, after hearing the symptoms was surprised that I had no definitive A-Fib symptom.

Your second fantasy, which you recently repeated, was just a few months ago. After a longer than normal week (my normal week is 70 hours), accompanied by 2 flips of my normal sleep schedule I had the following symptoms: fatigue, light headedness, heart palpitations and chest pain. All 4 A-Fib symptoms, with no fever, cough or shortness of breath.

When the symptoms became too severe to ignore I stopped at the last convenience store for 25 miles and called an ambulance. Before the ambulance arrived, I stumbled into the convenience store and collapsed. I was weak and had trouble controlling my extremities, along with extreme dizziness. The EMTs got me loaded up and hooked me to the EKG, so the doctors could see what was going on. They took vitals and except for the pulse, they were good. Blood pressure was up slightly, but not high. No fever and my lungs were clear.

My condition continued to deteriorate, to the point where I couldn't speak and was unable to move. The doctors checked almost everything, including an MRI. They even collected a urine sample, once my condition began to improve, to check if I was on any drugs. After finding nothing definitive, I was released and spent 2 days resting. Once I felt mostly recovered (still with no Covid symptoms) I decided to go ahead with my vacation. It wasn't until almost 2 weeks later when Covid symptoms began to appear. When they did, I left 2 days early for Bogota, and went to be tested.

Once again you claimed I was stupid for not recognizing I had Covid. 3 EMTs, 3 doctors and 4 nurses could find no reason to suspect I had Covid, but you knew. Right? You then went on a hyperbolic rant insinuating I was wiping out the population of Colombia.

Do you recognize how these 2 fantasies are incompatible? When I had symptoms of Covid, I was stupid for thinking I might have Covid. When I had no symptoms of Covid, I was stupid for not knowing I had Covid. In both cases you claimed to know things even my doctors didn't know.

Now to the narcissist's dilemma. It's my own phrase, so I doubt you'll find much about it. I just checked and I am wrong. There goes my Nobel prize.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...an-dish-it-out

In my words, I'll explain it. When I was much younger it could be summed up with 5 words: put up or shut up. It was common for someone to start bragging about their superiority. We didn't have the internet then so it had to be done in the real world. Most people did it face to face, "my car is faster than yours" or "I can kick your ass. " At which point they might hear "put up or shut up. " For most people the issue would be quickly resolved. Either they would recognize their bluff had been called and step back, or the challenge would be accepted and everyone would see who was right.

However, for a narcissist, backing down isn't an option and putting the issue to the test isn't possible. The sole reason they are making claims they can't support is because they feel inadequate. The fear of everyone else discovering their inadequacy is devastating. So they run from the confrontation. Before we had the internet that often literally meant running away and then coming up with constant excuses why they couldn't back their claims.

Of course these days it's much easier. They can run and hide until their symptoms abate and then pretend they were never faced with the dilemma. In extreme cases, they'll create a new account to come in and provide support for their original account. Isn't that right, Elvis? But the one thing they can't do is accept the challenge.

I'll close this with a sincere request. If you're exhibiting signs of narcissism, go get help. You'll be amazed at how much better life becomes when you discover real self worth. I make that request, because I'm also suggesting how to handle narcissts. Put them to the test whenever possible. Every time one pops up, hit them with a dilemma.

**PedroMorales** · 11-06-21 12:37

Originally Posted by Huacho [View Original Post]

Well, maybe because the scientific community, as opposed to the tin foil hat crowd, has rejected the concepts of IFR and herd immunity, and maybe because most studies show natural immunity is inferior to and does not last as long as vaxxing. But I personally am done arguing with anti vaxxers and am ready to just start either holding them down and jabbing them or maybe just fucking shooting them. You are a bunch of selfish fucking assholes and it isn't about you or freedom or personal choice. It is a fucking epidemic and sane people are tired of the restrictions and vaccination is the way to go. Hello? Smallpox? Polio? Measles? You people are stupid, ignorant, selfish fucking assholes and probably engage in felching.

I had to look up felching. Externalising the internal?

I had C19 and I currently have a digital passport allowing me travel within the EU. I am unvaccinated and hope to remain so. I never took a flu jab either and hope not to. There is no flu vaccine and nor is there a C19 vaccine.

Herd immunity? What happened to the Spanish flu which was no Spanish? Are they still dropping dead l ike flies in Italy, India, Spain and elsewhere? No?

Smallpox, measles and polio are not like the flu and C19. Apples and giraffes.

You have very serious fascistic issues. Hitler could have used you, if you were really up to the job of slaughtering Slavs. Washing one's hands, keeping away from the infected goes a long way to avoiding the flu and C19.

**JjBee62** · 11-06-21 05:57

Less than an hour ago I watched the entire anti-vax mindset play out right in front of me.

If you pay attention, you know I drive a truck, semi, big rig, 18 wheeler. Why I drive a truck is simple; it makes me happy. A long time ago I had a job that sucked. The work itself was fine, I enjoyed it. However, I was supposed to stretch 6-10 hours of work into a 45 hour work week (we did exclusively contracting for the Department of Defense). Fortunately, for me, the contract they hired me to fill was awarded to another company, which left me free to explore other opportunities (which is corporate speak for I was terminated).

Instead of collecting unemployment, I took a job driving a tow truck. Instead of hitting snooze 6 times every day, I was putting in 80-100 hours a week and loving it. The overall pay was much better and I didn't have to wear a tie.

After a few years I ended up doing the corporate grind again. Once again, I loved the work, but hated the environment. After a couple of high stress years, I got my CDL, Commercial Drivers License and it's what I've done for most of the last 26 years. No alarm clock, no boss, minimal bureaucratic bullshit and the pay and benefits are pretty good.

Driving 60 hours a week, you see a lot of things, good and bad. Tonight was a bad one. Coming into Indianapolis 2 new Corvettes went by me at 150 MPH or more. Zigging around traffic one of them zigged at the wrong time and clipped a minivan. The minivan spun out into the grass, the Corvette spun into the median divider wall. Both people were able to get out of the Vette, although the passenger was pretty wobbly. I'm not sure about the minivan. The other Corvette kept going.

If one of the Corvettes had hit the back of a truck, they would have removed the bodies with a squeegee.

The Corvettes were the unvaxed crusaders, the ones telling people to beware of vaccines. The trucks were the vaccinated. If they get hit they're probably going to walk away. All the other cars are the partially vaccinated, or vaccinated with compromised immunity, who are trying to minimize exposure.

The Corvettes are whipping along, infected and unvaccinated. They aren't hurting anyone. Right until someone makes a lane change. Sometimes the Corvette can react and avoid infecting someone. Sometimes they just crash and only hurt themselves. Other times they cause a devastating crash.

When you're driving down the highway at 150 MPH, you're not thinking about other people you might infect. You don't know if they will get sick or die. All you're thinking about is your sweet ride. Then one day someone changes lanes and you start a chain reaction, killing 20.

Vaccinate or not, that's your choice. But at least try to keep from infecting others.

**Mr Enternational** · 11-06-21 03:56

Originally Posted by Huacho [View Original Post]

But I personally am done arguing with anti vaxxers and am ready to just start either holding them down and jabbing them or maybe just fucking shooting them. You are a bunch of selfish fucking assholes and it isn't about you or freedom or personal choice. It is a fucking epidemic and sane people are tired of the restrictions and vaccination is the way to go. Hello? Smallpox? Polio? Measles?

You left out Herpes.

**JjBee62** · 11-06-21 03:26

Originally Posted by JustTK [View Original Post]

My point was that I pointed that "There are actually 2 different billions (a thousand million, or a million million)" - yet he insisted that I was an idiot and that I was wrong. Whereas I am clearly correct. It is this arrogant and ignorant assertion of correctness with some people here that leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. Of course, I can defend what I say (as another claimed I couldn't). I just simply refuse to engage with condescending ar8 eholes. That is quite another story.

No. You were wrong. Completely and absolutely wrong. The key is context. If you throw out answers without considering context, there's a good chance you're going to be wrong.

If someone is looking for a girl who is an expert at sucking dick and you respond with a discussion about pudding, you're wrong.

I suppose we could all go with "I respectfully wish to point your awareness to the possibility there could be a slight error in your response", bit "you're wrong" leaves no ambiguity and allows us to move on.

And you can use "asshole. " No need to censor yourself. No need to use "arse". Nobody is going to wonder what a perforated donkey has to do with the replay. And it's a forum dedicated to the pursuit of fucking hookers. If someone gets offended because you spelled out arse, they are in the wrong place.

**JjBee62** · 11-06-21 02:57

Originally Posted by Huacho [View Original Post]

Well, maybe because the scientific community, as opposed to the tin foil hat crowd, has rejected the concepts of IFR and herd immunity, and maybe because most studies show natural immunity is inferior to and does not last as long as vaxxing. But I personally am done arguing with anti vaxxers and am ready to just start either holding them down and jabbing them or maybe just fucking shooting them. You are a bunch of selfish fucking assholes and it isn't about you or freedom or personal choice. It is a fucking epidemic and sane people are tired of the restrictions and vaccination is the way to go. Hello? Smallpox? Polio? Measles? You people are stupid, ignorant, selfish fucking assholes and probably engage in felching.

I have a third option, it's something that has been used before. Set up natural acquired immunity centers.

Instead of bitching about vaccines, just set up a place where anyone who wants to try the herd immunity route can check in for a week and be exposed intentionally every day. After 1 week of exposure, they return a week later for testing. If positive, they quarantine for 2 weeks. If they remain uninfected, or recover thy get a natural immunity card good for 3 months, which serves in lieu of a vaccine card. Every 3 months repeat the process to renew the card. If they don't get infected for 3 consecutive renewal visits they get a permanent card.

**JjBee62** · 11-06-21 00:25

Originally Posted by JustTK [View Original Post]

Really? I am always respectful to those that show some. But I can see you have already formed your opinion, so don't waste your breath.

I've already pointed out your post, which was not a reply to anyone, where you said the vaccine causes Dunning Kruger. That is directed at every vaccinated person, whether or not they have ever replied to one of your posts.

Then there was your link to the Pfizer study in The Lancet, where you speculated that vaccinated people would denigrate the publication. Once again, it was a post which originated with you, not a reply to someone else.

These are just 2 examples where you began with a disrespectful tone. Are there more?

**Villainy** · 11-06-21 00:11

Originally Posted by JustTK [View Original Post]

My point was that I pointed that "There are actually 2 different billions (a thousand million, or a million million)" - yet he insisted that I was an idiot and that I was wrong. Whereas I am clearly correct. It is this arrogant and ignorant assertion of correctness with some people here that leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. Of course, I can defend what I say (as another claimed I couldn't). I just simply refuse to engage with condescending ar8 eholes. That is quite another story.

Did your momma ever tell you to stop diggin'?

The original poster acknowledged he made a mistake. You could have seen this in any number of ways but NO, you had to pontificate about long scales and short scales. The discussion that gave rise to the calculation was one about the earth's population as a denominator. Even you, even you could have figured out what number we were talking about. At this point the only person on the planet who thinks you're not impaired mentally is you. As the old saying goes. "It's time to stop digging".

**Paulie97** · 11-06-21 00:04