Stupid shit in Medellin

[JustTK]

So, if JustTK ran the world we would have tested and retested and perfected the vaccine in a perfectly controlled environment and it would probably still be winding its way through the FDA approval process. How many people worldwide would have died in the meantime?

I estimate. About the same as died anyway. The evidence lies in those countries that never got vaccinated bcos the capitalist West was too selfish to share it with poorer countries. Often they had negligible excess deaths during the pandemic, or minor spikes and return to normal, just like heavily vaxd nations. So how do you explain that one?

Here is an analogy for you. Buffalo Bills buy Joe Smith as the new QB after round 10 of the season. They were lying 18th nationwide at that time. By the end of the season, they had climbed to 2nd. His agent is speaking the Bills bosses, explaining how Smith had transformed the season around for the Bills, and how he deserves a huge pay rise. But the Bills bosses point out to the agent. But we bought several other players too, and some players returned from injury, plus we had a new coach, the weather improved (which suited our style play), we had already played all the tough teams so we had an easy run in, and what's more Smith got injured after 2 games and couldn't play again until the final game. So dear agent, come on man. As much as you would like to claim the credit, let's be real here.

The expert medical community is largely united in the opinion that the vaccines distributed played a large part in ameliorating the deadly effects of CoVid.

The expert medical community is not largely united. That is another lie that they told us and you swallowed.

They lied about cause and source of C.
They lied about GoF.
They lied about death rates in general.
They lied about death rates across ages.
They lied about social distancing.
They lied about mask wearing.
They lied about mandates.
They lied about Vitd.
They lied about Ivctm.
They lied about HDC.
They lied about natural immunity.
They lied about V tests.
They lied about V efficacy.
They lied about V outcomes.
They lied about deplatforming.
They lied about censoring.
They lied about the science.
They lied following the science.
They lied about the expert medical community being united.

They lied at every single step of the CP. Only a minority of people showed healthy skepticism during the CP, and they were roundly punished, (silenced, fired, deplatformed, ridiculed).

You need to find better sources. It seems you are one of the sheeple that remain convinced that the establishment are not lying to us at every opportunity to further their own aims. And its your belief that facilititates it.

[Villainy]

As I have said already, the problem with your approach is the you assign affect when you have no right to do so. You can only say the outcome of X is bcos fY if you manage to control for all other factors. BUt you can't bcos there were many other factors. Some of them were. Changing COVID virus (different and less deady strain), natural immunity, better medical care, the already dead highly vulerbale people. But yet yoy just assume it was all because of the vax. Look, I am not saying the vax had zero effect. No doubt it helped some people. But nowhere near as many as we are told, and its effect was so transient (as widley predicted by the skeptics), that is was almost a waste of time (as proven by the swift removal of vax mandates).

The stats were highly manipulated and none of the big organisations even looked at the most important stat. The elephant in the room, wihch was death from all causes. And even now, none of them like to look bcos it shows a huge surge in deaths over and above expected mortality, and there is no likely explanation that they want to hear the cause of. Terrible pandemic policies and medical science.

Yeah, yeah. The vaccine wasn't administered world wide under laboratory conditions whereby factors were controlled and isolated. So what? The world was going through a pandemic that hadn't been seen since the "Spanish Flu" (horribly misnamed BTW) which caused as few as 22 million or as many as 50 million. No one is absolutely certain.

So, if JustTK ran the world we would have tested and retested and perfected the vaccine in a perfectly controlled environment and it would probably still be winding its way through the FDA approval process. How many people worldwide would have died in the meantime? For the first year the mortality rate was around 3% of those infected with CoVid. Once the vaccines were produced and distributed worldwide in volume, the death rate declined to less than 1%. Given close to 1 billion reported infections that would be a volume of deaths of 30 million (3%) versus less than 10 million (1%.

Now if you really think it is a cogent argument that the virus mutated (we know it did mutate but was it because the vaccine was stopping the original variant? Or that all the susceptible people had already died. Great, maybe some of the 20 million difference could be attributed to those factors and maybe some other factors as well. But the fact is that the death rate went from 3% down to less than 1%. The expert medical community is largely united in the opinion that the vaccines distributed played a large part in ameliorating the deadly effects of CoVid.

[Woodman09]

I said you were the stupidest person on the forum with Covid. We have a new winner. It is not fair to say that you are the most stupid when you were only hurting yourself. But JJBee on the other hand is lecturing on confirmation bias when he suffers from it.

First off, he gets the vaccine and comes down with Covid. Does he say no the vaccine does not work at all? Fuck no. He says it is only 95% effective, and I was one of the 5% the vaccine did not work on. Of course, it was not 95% effective and the cases surged to all time highs, and he still does not gripe about the vaccine and drug companies.

And he lists all these Covid symptoms, spreads Covid, and then claims not to have symptoms all while lecturing about Covid. And he is still lecturing about Covid and the vaccine.

So now there are the vaccine related side effects. I show the video of a woman who came down with a neurological side effect after getting the vaccine. Do you know who also came down with a neurological issue after being vaccinated? That would be the guy literally suffering from confirmation bias JJbee.

You cannot make this shit up.

So Wierd how the dickheads in ISG can ignore all the Evidence coming out of the Horrible vax injuries-- and the people who were vax murdered. History Shall vindicate the people who dissented against this crapvax-- Hopefully Justice shall be served on the people like fowchi and the media and bigpharma Scumbags-- Some street justice would be great too-- By the way-- when I met you I did not think you were fat-- just a dad-bod-- These dickheads really hate you here.

[Elvis 2008]

Because I met a fat, right wing asshole there who said he posted under the name of Elvis.

I hated GW Bush. I voted for Obama in 2008 and my waist size was 38 back then. THAT is why you think you met me? Are you always this fucking stupid?

I guess that means it's a popular name for fat, right wing assholes, just like the original Elvis.

No, you are the asshole. GW Bush cranked up the printing press and handed out money like candy and loved doling out money to warmongers, the exact same stupid things Biden is doing, and the end result will be the same, a totally trashed economy. If you were focused on policies versus identity politics, you would not be so fucking blind.

[Elvis 2008]

Look, I am not saying the vax had zero effect. No doubt it helped some people. But nowhere near as many as we are told, and its effect was so transient (as widley predicted by the skeptics), that is was almost a waste of time (as proven by the swift removal of vax mandates).

Exactly right. While Birx, Fauci, and the head of the CDC have been back tracking, the policies laid out in the Great Barrington Declaration have been proven to be correct. Of course, those real scientists who signed off on it were tarred and feathered at the time by politicians masquerading as scientists.

One of the founders of the document was asked about the vaccine and said something to the effect that it was the best and worst thing that could have happened. It was an amazing development for those at risk with Covid and a tragedy for those at low risk for Covid death. That too is exactly right and it flies in the face of the moronic simplicity of pro and antivaxx.

The stats were highly manipulated and none of the big organisations even looked at the most important stat. The elephant in the room, wihch was death from all causes. And even now, none of them like to look bcos it shows a huge surge in deaths over and above expected mortality, and there is no likely explanation that they want to hear the cause of. Terrible pandemic policies and medical science.

Again exactly right.

Look at this headline from June 2021:

Acute Transverse Myelitis (ATM): An Unexpectedly Frequent Complication of COVID-19. The team's study of documented pandemic cases found that 43 involved ATM.

This was what was said about the vaccine. Although ATM is a sporadic neurological disorder associated with the COVID-19 pandemic globally, ATM following COVID-19 vaccination is rare.

Then from another paper, there was this. Surprisingly, as of 28th July 2021, there are 77 cases of transverse myelitis following Covid vaccine AZ in the MHRA database.

So 77 is extremely rate but 43 is unexpectedly frequent. It is that kind of bullshit that is maddening.

But ATM is an extreme neurological condition. Study 514559 showed that the Covid vaccine AZ was distributed to sciatic nerves, and the last sample was taken on 29 days post-administration and sciatic nerves of 70% of animals were still tested positive at the end of the study. The vaccine distribution to the sciatic nerves may lead to conditions like sciatica that has been previously linked to other conditions.

And it is these supposedly minor conditions like sciatica that probably added to the higher overall death rate in the vaccinated group. If you ask about muscle aches, nerve pain, or ringing in the ears, you would probably only have to ask three people before you found one that had one of these conditions, and the severity of those conditions vary widely.

And that too is part of the bullshit. I had a minor annoyance, my triceps ached for three days after the shot, but I talked to a Mexican woman with much more severe muscle aches so much so that she had trouble walking for a year after the vaccine and yet both of us would be placed as myalgia under side effects from the vaccine.

[Huacho]

Not to that mansion nor the one in Medellin, and I have no fucking clue why you would think I have.

Because I met a fat, right wing asshole there who said he posted under the name of Elvis. I think that would have been 2006 though. I can't get into the Argentina forum to check. There was one other poster named Elvis, that I knew, but he was a native speaker of Spanish from Ecuador. So if that was some other fat, right wing asshole named Elvis, I guess that means it's a popular name for fat, right wing assholes, just like the original Elvis.

[JjBee62]

But doesn't that go both ways? Because someone took the vaccine does not mean that is the reason they did not get sick or did not die after getting sick.

Now you're getting into statistics. Looked at individually, you're correct. However we have a whole timeline, starting a year before vaccines were available. 1 year after vaccination began, most new cases were people who were vaccinated, but the majority of deaths were unvaxxed. As vaccination spread the difference became greater, and most vaxxed deaths were in the highest risk categories.

[JustTK]

BUT when you look at the rate of CoVid among the population as a whole (not just the US but around the world) from first detection to the point where the vaccine was widely available and distributed. You see something that JjBee62 alluded to. The rate of CoVid infections dropped precipitously, and the recovery from CoVid increased noticeably.

As I have said already, the problem with your approach is the you assign affect when you have no right to do so. You can only say the outcome of X is bcos fY if you manage to control for all other factors. BUt you can't bcos there were many other factors. Some of them were. Changing COVID virus (different and less deady strain), natural immunity, better medical care, the already dead highly vulerbale people. But yet yoy just assume it was all because of the vax. Look, I am not saying the vax had zero effect. No doubt it helped some people. But nowhere near as many as we are told, and its effect was so transient (as widley predicted by the skeptics), that is was almost a waste of time (as proven by the swift removal of vax mandates).

The stats were highly manipulated and none of the big organisations even looked at the most important stat. The elephant in the room, wihch was death from all causes. And even now, none of them like to look bcos it shows a huge surge in deaths over and above expected mortality, and there is no likely explanation that they want to hear the cause of. Terrible pandemic policies and medical science.

[Villainy]

But doesn't that go both ways? Because someone took the vaccine does not mean that is the reason they did not get sick or did not die after getting sick.

If you look at an individual case, you are right. They might have luckily happened to avoid exposure, or their immune system was very strong or maybe the vaccine did protect them. You can't tell from one individual case.

BUT when you look at the rate of CoVid among the population as a whole (not just the US but around the world) from first detection to the point where the vaccine was widely available and distributed. You see something that JjBee62 alluded to. The rate of CoVid infections dropped precipitously, and the recovery from CoVid increased noticeably. (I. E. The Death rate dropped). So while 1 individual case doesn't prove anything one way or the other, hundreds of millions of cases around the world show something statistically significant. And that is that the vaccine was effective in lowering the number of new infections and resulted in a much lower rate of CoVid deaths.

[Elvis 2008]

Did you go to Jackson's mansion in 2007?

Not to that mansion nor the one in Medellin, and I have no fucking clue why you would think I have.

[Elvis 2008]

So who exactly is the obese one here?

He probably would have gotten laid if he had the right shower head.

[Elvis 2008]

Unfortunately, people almost never give up their confirmation bias. Instead, they cling tighter to it, wandering ever farther away from knowledge in search of anyone who supports their paranoia. Other than your opinion, you have nothing to connect those 2 events.

I said you were the stupidest person on the forum with Covid. We have a new winner. It is not fair to say that you are the most stupid when you were only hurting yourself. But JJBee on the other hand is lecturing on confirmation bias when he suffers from it.

First off, he gets the vaccine and comes down with Covid. Does he say no the vaccine does not work at all? Fuck no. He says it is only 95% effective, and I was one of the 5% the vaccine did not work on. Of course, it was not 95% effective and the cases surged to all time highs, and he still does not gripe about the vaccine and drug companies.

And he lists all these Covid symptoms, spreads Covid, and then claims not to have symptoms all while lecturing about Covid. And he is still lecturing about Covid and the vaccine.

So now there are the vaccine related side effects. I show the video of a woman who came down with a neurological side effect after getting the vaccine. Do you know who also came down with a neurological issue after being vaccinated? That would be the guy literally suffering from confirmation bias JJbee.

You cannot make this shit up.

[Mr Enternational]

After 3 years of vaccination, that's around 150,000 people who didn't die from the vaccine (that you are peripherally aware of) versus 1 who died, without any evidence the vaccine had anything to do with it.

But doesn't that go both ways? Because someone took the vaccine does not mean that is the reason they did not get sick or did not die after getting sick.

[JjBee62]

They are saying there is no demand-- In Other Words-- Big Pharma's Government ScumBags Cannot Force this crap down the publics's throats anymore-- And the clotting and other side effects which are Very Very Rare (LOL) have nothing to do with it-- Calling it Now-- All the Other Crap Vax Shall be discontinued-- But Nothing to do with the Super Rare side effects. -. - RIP My Good Friend Zulema Who Died 5 days after the vax -- he felt sicker and sicker and he died-- But of course I have confirmation bias-.

Yes, you have confirmation bias.

Did you perform an autopsy on your friend? No. Were you present when an autopsy was performed on your friend? No?. Did the pathologist who performed the autopsy explain his findings to you? No? Was an autopsy even performed? Probably not.

You have 2 events: vaccination and death. Other than your opinion, you have nothing to connect those 2 events. Although highly unlikely, your friend could have died as a result of the vaccination. However, that says nothing about the vaccines. Even if it was confirmed as the cause of death that's 1 person. Every day you encounter many people who have received the vaccine, probably 1,000 people every week (people in clubs, people on the streets of Santa Fe, working girls, store clerks, guys you take on tours). After 3 years of vaccination, that's around 150,000 people who didn't die from the vaccine (that you are peripherally aware of) versus 1 who died, without any evidence the vaccine had anything to do with it.

Yet, you ignore 150 k and point to the 1, with nothing to back it up other than a biased opinion. That is confirmation bias.

None of the above says anything about the safety or effectiveness of any of the vaccines. Every vaccine used in millions or billions of people will cause some deaths and some health issues. If you give a billion people a cup of coffee, some will be burned, some will choke, some might die. Same thing if you give 1 billion blowjobs.

The question to be answered is did the vaccine (coffee or blowjob) help more people than it hurt? And until you deal with your confirmation bias, you'll never be able to answer that question, or even hear any answers to that question.

Unfortunately, people almost never give up their confirmation bias. Instead, they cling tighter to it, wandering ever farther away from knowledge in search of anyone who supports their paranoia.

[JustTK]

If I had a euro for every maid and desk clerk I've fucked in Latin America, I'd have shit maybe 15 euro. I read that the average guy in the Yew Ess fucks seven women in his life. If I get rejected three times in a day, it was a slow day.

So who exactly is the obese one here?